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From: Bentstick81
08-Jun-18
AP says that mueller has filed more new charges against Manafort. OH NO!!! 8^)))))

From: bigswivle
08-Jun-18
TRUMP IS NEXT!!!!!!!

From: Bentstick81
08-Jun-18
Wait for it .... 8^))))

From: Grey Ghost
08-Jun-18
How many indictments does that make now....20-something?

Looks like Manafort's aide, Kilimnik, is going down too.

Matt

From: Bentstick81
08-Jun-18
Time will tell. 8^)

From: JTV
08-Jun-18
and NONE against Trump ... NONE... all have been bullcrap charges ...

from peoplespunditdaily.com

A federal judge scolded the prosecution in the case against Paul Manafort, stating Special Counsel Robert Mueller just wants to oust President Donald Trump from office. President Trump has repeatedly called the investigation a “witch hunt,” and District Judge T.S. Ellis was at least skeptical himself.

“You don’t really care about Mr. Manafort’s bank fraud,” Judge Ellis told Michael Dreeben, adding the special counsel wants to squeeze Mr. Manafort to provide material that would lead to President Trump’s “prosecution or impeachment.”

“That’s what you’re really interested in.”

During the hour-long court hearing, the judge repeatedly made known his suspicion of the prosecution.

“We don’t want anyone in this country with unfettered power. It’s unlikely you’re going to persuade me the special prosecutor has power to do anything he or she wants,” Judge Ellis told Mr. Dreeben. “The American people feel pretty strongly that no one has unfettered power.”

Mr. Manafort and his longtime aide Rick Gates were indicted by the special counsel last October. Mr. Gates is cooperating with investigators but the indictment surrounded lobbying efforts long before his brief time on the Trump campaign.

He was hired for being one of only two people alive with experience in a convention floor fight for delegates, which at the time appeared likely.

Mr. Manafort lobbied the Clinton Department and Capitol Hill Democrats through The Podesta Group on behalf of the then-pro Russian government in Ukraine. Neither he nor The Podesta Group, which was founded by former Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta and his brother, were registered under the Foreign Agents Registration Act (FARA).

Mr. Mueller’s team did interview several witnesses about the role The Podesta Group played in advancing Russian interests at the State Department under Hillary Clinton. However, despite uncovering potential wrongdoings, Mr. Mueller and his team did not charge anyone from the formerly most powerful liberal D.C. lobbying group.

Judge Ellis was not satisfied with Mr. Dreeben’s answer to a relevant question about why the charges dated back to before the Trump campaign.

“None of that information has to do with information related to Russian government coordination and the campaign of Donald Trump.”

The judge ordered Mr. Mueller’s prosecutors to turn over a full, unredacted version of the August 2 memo that Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein used to describe the criminal allegations the special counsel could investigate. He said that he’ll make a decision at a later date about whether the case against Mr. Manafort’s could even move forward.

Judge Ellis was born in Bogota, Columbia and earned an Ivy League education in America. He was also a pilot in the U.S. Navy before he was appointed by President Ronald Reagan

From: Grey Ghost
08-Jun-18
The full list so far....

1) George Papadopoulos, former Trump campaign foreign policy adviser, pleaded guilty in October to making false statements to the FBI

2) Michael Flynn, Trump’s former national security adviser, pleaded guilty in December to making false statements to the FBI.

3) Paul Manafort, Trump’s former campaign chair, was indicted in October in Washington, DC on charges of conspiracy, money laundering, and false statements — all related to his work for Ukrainian politicians before he joined the Trump campaign. He’s pleaded not guilty on all counts. Then, in February, Mueller filed a new case against him in Virginia, with tax, financial, and bank fraud charges.

4) Rick Gates, a former Trump campaign aide and Manafort’s longtime junior business partner, was indicted on similar charges to Manafort. But in February he agreed to a plea deal with Mueller’s team, pleading guilty to just one false statements charge and one conspiracy charge.

5-20) 13 Russian nationals and three Russian companies were indicted on conspiracy charges, with some also being accused of identity theft. The charges related to a Russian propaganda effort designed to interfere with the 2016 campaign. The companies involved are the Internet Research Agency, often described as a “Russian troll farm,” and two other companies that helped finance it. The Russian nationals indicted include 12 of the agency’s employees and its alleged financier, Yevgeny Prigozhin.

21) Richard Pinedo: This California man pleaded guilty to an identity theft charge in connection with the Russian indictments, and has agreed to cooperate with Mueller.

22) Alex van der Zwaan: This London lawyer pleaded guilty to making false statements to the FBI about his contacts with Rick Gates and another unnamed person based in Ukraine.

23) Konstantin Kilimnik: This longtime business associate of Manafort and Gates, who’s currently based in Russia, was charged alongside Manafort with attempting to obstruct justice by tampering with witnesses in Manafort’s pending case this year

Matt

From: elkmtngear
08-Jun-18
Yep, what I see from that list, is that a group of Russians basically acted on their own, independent of members of the Trump campaign.

As far as people indicted that were associated with the Trump campaign, I see no charges relating to Russian Collusion during that time period. Because they were associated with the campaign, they became "fair game" for Mueller, who basically looked for anything he could find on them.

So, even though the "number" of indictments seems high...they have absolutely nothing to do with Russian Collusion. But, hey Bowlibs, keep citing those "numbers"...they will keep your false hopes alive, so you can troll another Day!

08-Jun-18
^^^

To Obama and a few others...Lol

From: Bentstick81
08-Jun-18
Just better hope that mueller gets it done quickly. He is in up to his neck in the other investigation. 8^)))

From: JTV
08-Jun-18
Yup, good chance Obama may be charged with treason ....

From: Grey Ghost
08-Jun-18
Willing to wager on that, JTV?

Matt

08-Jun-18
Obama isn’t even under investigation. Will an indictment just pop up out of thin air? Back to reality.

For those saying that the indictments have nothing to do w trump, let’s examine that very flawed thought process. 1) the most recent indictment of the Russian spy (Kilimnik) is important because he worked with Manafort for years. Manafort worked for trump and Hs deals with him for years. So he’s one person removed from trump. I’d say that’s pretty close to trump.

2) Papadopoulos worked for trump. Trump bragged about what a foreign policy genius he was. Connected to trump? Yep.

3) Flynn? Trump hired him even after being told he was dirty! And that he had russian ties. Connected to trump? Stevie Wonder could see that one.

There are jow 20 indictments for over 100 crimes. That’s a fact.

There are at least five people tied to trump’s campaign and administration who have plead guilty to crimes tied to their involvement with Trump. That’s just fact.

To deny this is just denial for the sake of denial. And that ain’t a river in Egypt folks.

From: K Cummings
08-Jun-18
“Yup, good chance Obama may be charged with treason ....”

There is a much better chance that you will stop responding to yfp.

KPC

From: JTV
08-Jun-18
The truth is coming about about him and his Iran illegal bank dealings, the Obama administration weaponized the DOJ/FBI to do his dirty dealings, the most corrupt administration in history... all roads lead to Obama ......

From: Grey Ghost
08-Jun-18
I'll take that as a "no", JTV.

Thanks for confirming your claims of Obama being convicted of treason are more hope than reasoned conviction. as I suspected.

Matt

08-Jun-18

From: Michael
08-Jun-18
The FBI was watching Manafort long before he was on the Trump team. Wasn’t he partnered with a Podesta? The brother to the Podesta in the Clinton campaign.

There will be no indictments since it’s DOJ policy not to indict a sitting president. Now an impeachment isn’t out of the question. If the Libs gain control of the house they will impeach Trump on anything. Whether he is found guilty in the senate is another story. There was never Russian collusion. This whole thing was designed to handcuff Trump.

Oh and Trump JR’s meeting with the lawyer. Does anyone want to know why Loretta Lynch signed off on letting her into the country days before the meeting. Anyone have any answers why she meet with Fusion GPS before the meeting and after the meeting.

I wouldn’t be surprised if Flynn withdraws his guilty plea and charges are dismissed.

From: Rocky
08-Jun-18
GG, I will wager that Obama gets indicted. What do you think the odds would be since you think that is lunacy and believe to be impossible? Unlike our last wager that you never paid when I said Trump would win, I will pay. Are we on? What are the impossible odds?

The Rock

From: scentman
08-Jun-18
Lefty, Lucy... next charges will be for leaving the toilet seat up, and Martha Stewart will be charged for using dietary sugar in her recipes... thats the validity of their indictments.

From: Bentstick81
08-Jun-18
Once again y f IMposter. YOU denying obama isn't under investigation, won't make it go away. That's all you and lefty has done this evening is deny. It's all you got, but just hang in there, it's coming so you two clowns will throw out the race card. That's fine. Wouldn't expect any thing different from you two. Keep on denying, but you are about to get a surprise. 8^)))

From: JTV
08-Jun-18
Obama should be considered a traitor and treasonous... if we had a congress/DOJ/FBI worth their salt, they would/should bring Obama up on numerous charges .... no one knows where the IG's investigations will lead, but I an promise you, all roads lead to Obama if they do their jobs correctly ... this is why I still say we need a 2nd special prosecutor because the DOJ/FBI are still filled with swamp rats and are still covering for their deep state masters..

"Treason is generally defined as "betrayal of country: a violation of the allegiance owed by somebody to his or her own country, e.g. by aiding an enemy."

High treason is defined as "treason perpetrated by somebody against his or her own country."

Another apt definition of treason is "any attempt to overthrow the government or impair the well-being of a state to which one owes allegiance; the crime of giving aid or comfort to the enemies of one's government."

It is my contention that Barack Hussein Obama has perpetrated all of these. It is also my assertion that our current Congress and our increasingly leftist court system have allowed — and continue to allow — Obama to perpetrate such treachery upon the United States of America and its citizens with impunity.

From the start, Obama has defrauded and undermined our country

Prior to his 2008 campaign, Obama was never vetted as to his eligibility to run for the office of president.

Once elected to the most powerful position in America, and arguably the world, Obama then issued an executive fiat that all of his prior records (school transcripts, passport information, birth certificate, etc.) were to be sealed and summarily hidden from the American people and the world.

Since that time, Obama has produced multiple "birth certificates" that have each been proven to be fraudulent, including the ostensible long-form birth certificate released April 27, 2011.

Within the first week of his presidency, Obama also issued executive orders to fund foreign countries' abortions, donate at least $20 million to terrorist Hamas (under the guise of "Palestinian relief"), and begin testing his ability to censor public information through another executive order to ban showing or posting the video of his retaking the Oath of Office. Along with myriad other mysteries, one has to ponder why this was a great concern to Obama.

Shortly thereafter, Obama issued another executive order that brought the Census Bureau under his sole jurisdiction and control. This strongly appears to have been effected by Obama in order that he — alone — would have the ability to interpret and skew any and all census results that did not meet with his approval.

Once he gained (many say "usurped") the office of the presidency, Obama has undertaken repeated attempts to unravel the First Amendment. These attempts have ranged from banning and refusing to speak with reporters who asked him tough questions to actually locking them in closets!

With no one stopping him, the Obama syndicate becomes increasingly bolder and more criminal every day.

Obama's dictatorship continues to expand unchecked

When he discovered — even after the 2010 mid-term elections — that no one from the Establishment Republican side of the House of Representatives would stop him, Obama stepped up his game to put into place America's first official dictatorship. Side note: Even the new Speaker of the House — Rep. John Boehner — apparently prefers golfing with Mr. Obama to actually saving the country from the ongoing tyrannical takeover being undertaken by Obama and his minions. Despite a letter Boehner recently sent Obama questioning the president's authority to wage war against Libya, Boehner and the other Republicans-in-name-only continue to embolden Obama toward expanding his growing usurpation of power.

Obama has purposely, and with apparent malice toward America and its people, caused the U.S. economy to be all but destroyed, has worked to end jobs for Americans, and even laughs at us — on video — on an almost daily basis.

The latest slap from Obama — revealing his contempt for our intelligence — is his comment on jobs projects he originally said were supposed to be "shovel-ready." Joked the president: "Shovel-ready was not as shovel-ready as we expected."

In April of this year, Obama mocked a man who had asked him about the extremely high price of gasoline and laughed at him while he said: "I know some o' these big guys, there still drivin' their big SUVs. You know, they got their big monster trucks and everything. You're one of 'em? [points to man in audience]. Well now, here's my point. You know, if you're complaining about the price of gas, and you're only gettin' 8 miles a gallon [laughs at man, pauses for audience to laugh at man, mocks the man with facial expression]... You know [laughs] you might have a big family, but it's probably not THAT big [laughs, audience laughs]... So — how many you have, 10 kids you say? 10 kids? [mocking facial expression again, encouraging people to laugh at the man] Well... you definitely need a hybrid van then... Like I said, if you're gettin' 8 miles a gallon you might wanna think about a trade-in."

Yet, Obama continues to spend money — our money — on our enemies overseas, and give taxpayer money to his unions, while partying at the White House as if there's no tomorrow, spending billions on his and his family's increasingly frequent and extravagant vacations. And now with the lack of any real opposition from either Congress or the growing Socialist/Communist court system, Obama apparently has full sway to do whatever he pleases to attack and decimate both We-the-People and our country — and he IS doing it. No wonder he laughs at and derides us at every opportunity!

Obama gives an indication of our dire future — if he is not removed

Obama and his (now misnamed) Department of Justice chief Eric Holder have filed suit against Arizona and other states (now to include Georgia) who had the audacity to fight the annihilation of their states due to the government's refusal to enforce laws against illegal invasion. And he has encouraged other countries (Mexico and other Latin American countries) to do the same. Obama is now siding firmly with foreign countries that are lined up against the United States of America. This is called high treason.

These actions on the part of the Obama administration constitute no less than an attempt to bring down the country, throw out Federalism, end the Constitution's protections for both the states and the citizens of our country, and establish a dictatorship. There is no other logical conclusion.

The latest atrocity committed against We-the-People is Obama's response to Boehner's letter regarding Obama's now-illegal war in Libya, in which Boehner cites the Constitution's Article 1, Section 8: "The Congress shall have Power.... To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water; To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years; To provide and maintain a Navy; To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces; To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions...."

Obama's response is that the United Nations now trumps or replaces the U.S. Constitution.

Obama wrote: "U.S. forces are playing a constrained and supporting role in a multinational coalition, whose operations are both legitimated by and limited to the terms of a United Nations Security Council Resolution that authorizes the use of force solely to protect civilians and civilian populated areas under attack or threat of attack and to enforce a no-fly zone and an arms embargo."

Obama has now "officially" done away with the Constitution and made America subservient to the United Nations." renewamerica.com/columns/zieve/110621

From: Grey Ghost
08-Jun-18
The Rock,

If I renigged on a bet with you please refresh my memory with proof, because I don’t recall it.

Once that’s settled we’ll discuss this new wager.

Matt

From: Thumper
12-Jun-18
GG, if I remember right didn't you say you were moving to Canada if Hillary didn't win the election.

Lol

From: Brotsky
12-Jun-18
False statements to the FBI? That charges only sticks when you're not Hillary Clinton I guess.

From: Grey Ghost
12-Jun-18
"GG, if I remember right didn't you say you were moving to Canada if Hillary didn't win the election.

Nope, not me. I wasn't that passionate about either candidate, nor any candidate for that matter.

Matt

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