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bad karma 05-Jul-18
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From: bad karma
05-Jul-18

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The head of the Democratic National Committee has declared the avowed NY socialist, Ms. Ocasio-Cortez-represents-the-future-of-our-party. So, between her and Bernie Sanders, the Democrat party is now the party of socialists and socialism. Well, they have been for years. Now it is time for them to stop pretending.

From: Bogie
05-Jul-18
YOU CAN'T FIX STUPIDITY

From: lawdy
05-Jul-18
This is why I think that we will break up into smaller countries or provinces. The culture of Northern NH, Vermont, and Maine is so different than the Southern sections, it warrants a division as we get zero representation. This child is a mirror of what NY is, at least Southern NY.

From: Glunt@work
05-Jul-18
They are doing all they can to make folks who hesitated before voting for Trump feel totally fine with it.

From: Trax
05-Jul-18
With another term for President Trump and their own far radical left wing America hating ideology it is the end of the Democrap Party. A few years ago I was told by a liberal "professor" with his nose up in the air that if the Republican Party does not come far to the left of their present stance they will NEVER win another national election. I told him the Party needs a leader who will take them far to the right. I now tell him he's a dumb azz at every opportunity and it's dobber down for him!

From: HDE
05-Jul-18
The ultimate insult - telling a PhD they're a dumbass and be right about it.

From: JTV
05-Jul-18
The Dem party has been moving to the Radical left and towards socialism/facisism for some time ... November is the time for a huge slap down to these America haters ... while there are those within the Repub. party many here dislike for various reasons, it is imperative that the Repubs remain in control of Congress ... we can not allow the left to gain one inch ..

From: Will
05-Jul-18
Couldn't you argue the exact same of the right? I mean, just from Reagan to now, the Republican party has moved pretty hard right.

It actually feels like the press left of the dem's is Newtonian physics - an equal shift away opposite the Republicans. Especially the last 5-10 years.

Then again, I think of myself as a centrist, and there certainly appear to be fewer with that mentality than in the past... so maybe it just looks like the R is racing to the R and the L's are racing to the L since I'm just sitting here in the middle watching everyone run away... Ha!

From: JTV
05-Jul-18
The "right" isnt trying to trash the constitution ... the "right" isnt pushing for open borders ... the "right" isnt violent with their protests (Tea Party for ex.) .... the Left are the Radicals ...

From: elkmtngear
05-Jul-18
Going hard left is a bad move right now, with all the "winning" going on (Economy, International relations, etc).

At the very least, they will lose Independent voters, which essentially means suicide in the MidTerms.

From: KSflatlander
05-Jul-18
I’m with you Will. It seems the R’s are getting more radical and there are examples of violence on both sides. That does not mean that all conservatives or liberals are violent. The action of one “liberal” or “conservative” does not represent the whole.

From: Trax
05-Jul-18
" I mean, just from Reagan to now, the Republican party has moved pretty hard right. "

You would have to be ignorant and blind to think this. H and W were far to the left of Ronald Reagan. The Party itself has been moving left since Ike. President Trump, who has zero allegiance to the Party, has moved to the right and thank God for that.

05-Jul-18
In NH it is mostly centered around the cities, not neccesarily northern/southern. All the lefties live along route 93, having moved into Nashua, Manchester, and Concord areas from Massachusetts.

You are correct, bk, they have been there for a time and getting worse all the time. Every once in a while I see a video of Ried, Slick Willy and others saying the exact same thing that we currently say about immigration and other current issues from 20 years ago or more when they were actual Democrats instead of Soros- DemoncommiEs.

The Democrats are now what they claim to fear the most.

From: Anony Mouse
05-Jul-18
QOYD: "The left hand doesn't know what the far left hand is doing,"+

From: bad karma
05-Jul-18
So, Will, are you contending that following the Constitution is somehow moving to the far-right? Seems like Trump is willing to compromise on a lot of things. But he's insisting that the government follow the Constitution and enforce the laws on the books. If that's far right, we are in worse trouble than many of us thought.

From: Trax
05-Jul-18
When I hear "right" I hear conservative. According to the ACu and Heritage Foundation President Trump has led through policy to the right of Ronald Reagan and convincingly. I don't believe Trump is more conservative than Reagan was by any degree, but Reagan was beholden to the Party. President Trump is not.

From: KSflatlander
05-Jul-18
I'm not answering for Will as this is just my point of view. If everyone interpreted the constitution we would not need a supreme court. Even the supreme court has reversed itself over time and changed it's interpretation although not one word changed in the constitution. It not as simple as "following the constitution" based on the long history of the document. At one time the constitution meant one could own slaves. It was legal. It doesn't mean that now...it's illegal. The folks on the left say they are following the constitution the same as the right. If we all agreed on it's meaning there would be no left or right.

That's what is great about the constitution and how its words can be relevant over time IMO.

From: TD
05-Jul-18
Gone further right since Regan? In what world? I'd have to guess you wern't around when Regan was president. Republicans have been edging left for a good long time. They only LOOK "right" because the liberal dems have taken such a HARD left turn. And are now on the gas sending that turn into a high speed drift....

The "right" didn't move further right. The left simply moved farther left. When you are standing so far left...... EVERYTHING looks like it's to the right.....

From: Will
05-Jul-18

Will's Link
Thanks for the question Trax. It's a good one and made me think a bit. I appreciate that.

So the tea party "movement" and modern R party/talking heads etc have not moved further right than say the R's 30 years ago? You don't think a week of suggested R ideals from say, the Right idealists version of the MSM (Fox News ;) - easy fellas) is further right than if you had a conversation with a staunch R in the 80's, 90's, or early 00's. It feels to me the Re-Koch-licans (only used that because folks often reference Sorros as the end all be all of Democrats so I opted to do that with the Koch's) are doing a similar turn as the D's. I may well be biased though, I've lived in the northeast my whole life, so my view of Republicans may be shaded by observing northeastern R's, thus perhaps is more left of average than a Republican from someplace else. Ill admit that for darn sure.

Overall, KS said it well. I'd suggest, additionally, that "we" read the constitution (and anything else) via the lens we possess. Heck that even goes for the Supreme court. Those folks (SCOTUS Justices) have WAY more knowledge of it than any of us on here, or just about anyone on earth (I hope), and as time goes on, their lens evolves, as do the decisions they make relative to the constitution. If we think anyone who votes D or R is evil, mentally ill, ignorant, etc... Then we see that trait in them. It's not more real overall than (extreme example to make a point, not trying to change the subject) saying David Duke endorsed President Trump thus President Trump is a racist. That's the sort of correlation related ridiculousness that causes issues... From both parties.

I guess for me, I'm just not a fan of extreme view angles. I think it distorts reality. I'm not that big a fan of black and white thinking either - same reason. On these big issue topics, I think second level thinking is far better than first... Are there times when those angles/views/approaches are correct? Sure, IE, the old if you walk into your house and someone is attacking your family is it ok to kill them even though killing is wrong, sort of question... Overall it just seems way to often, like we want to avoid nuanced views.

Why did Ms. Ocasio-Cortez do well? What issues motivated people to think we "want this person"?

I'm confident that if you talk to those voters, it's a lot more nuanced than "we want free stuff", for example.

It's also, my sense for why the D's wont do as well this fall as many people think. Rather than looking at real issues that motivated people who are independent to vote R in the last presidential election for example, they just want to yell and scream "President Trump stinks". Agree or disagree with that statement, that's not much of a platform. Especially when you could point to info like what's displayed in this AP article as a tip of the iceberg towards looking at other options to help the nation continue improving: https://apnews.com/57cdaed35a094075854e15b50ba24e9b/AP-FACT-CHECK:-Trump's-tax-'miracle,'-immigration-flip-flops, and push hard on actual issues.

(I'm not trying to start a "Pres. Trump" rally in the thread. I realize in 2 nano seconds someone with a R view could take their lens and go find stuff to dispute the article. That's not the point. The article presents a bunch of examples that could be better points to push forward on for Democrats vs simply saying don't vote for any R's because Pres. Trump is an R)

My only point on the main article this thread was based on, was that it seems R's and D's are rocketing away from each other and are not looking for well thought out answers or methods to improve things for all of us here in the US. If the D's keep trying to rocket left, they are going to keep losing the Center... I don't disagree with much of what's said regarding the D's... I just feel it's happened the other way as well.

Happy to agree to disagree on whether that's true or not.

From: JTV
05-Jul-18

JTV's Link
Todays right is not extreme... the Left for sure is.... all one has to do is listen to the Dems/FNM/MSM .... #WalkAway ........ https://www.rt.com/usa/431666-walkaway-democrats-straka-campaign-gay/

From: Trax
05-Jul-18
JTV beat me to it.

" guess for me, I'm just not a fan of extreme view angles"

What JTV said. Liberalism and statism is radically extreme. Conservatism is where common sense meets individual liberty.

From: Woods Walker
05-Jul-18
When I hear "right", I think of SANITY.....

From: TD
05-Jul-18
What conservative or Republican issues from the Regan era have they moved more "right" on currently?

Again, trying to navigate a ship back on course when it had been turning left for years is not moving more "right" than it was to begin with. The course has changed little, none of it I can think of is really further "right". The biggest difference a left leaning "centrist" may see is conservatives are tired of sitting on their hands and quietly watching the ship sailing off towards the shoals, sailing the course the left has chosen. Consevatives have become more engaged. But the course itself has changed little, if anything it has edged left, not right. Gay marriage, legalizing pot..... a whole host of issues that would have been none starters in the 80's. You would have been seen as insane to even bring the subjects up, much less have an honest discussion on them.

There is a reason Trump won and Shillery lost. A reason congress was won back. Why local governments have swung. Only thing really changed is the level of activity of the "silent majority".

From: JTV
05-Jul-18

JTV's Link
http://insider.foxnews.com/2018/07/05/jesse-watters-rips-democrats-endorsing-socialism-and-ocasio-cortez

support of a socialist and socialism is a losing proposition ... mic drop !!

05-Jul-18
Wait for it....

05-Jul-18
How would Reagan feel about trump cozying up to Putin. About Senators in Moscow on Independance day?

Obviously Russia hacking into our election system in 2016, was meaningless to these folks, because, inspite of that fact, they went to Russia and sold their souls to them. Its a shameful act and a betrayal to our democracy and its citizens.

From: JTV
05-Jul-18
Ike, isnt it great what Jordan is doing to out the illegal FBI and DOJ and all their criminals.... Jordan has done so much to bring these criminals into the lime light ... I hope he does win the Speakership .... it would really be great then to watch the libs wetting themselves as they do now ....

From: trublucolo
05-Jul-18
"They are doing all they can to make folks who hesitated before voting for Trump feel totally fine with it."

I'm with Glunt.

From: itshot
05-Jul-18
are the libs floating anything legitimate, besides turds, for 2020 or just hoping anything but trump clinches it?

they've had a sad decade, it looks to be getting worse

From: JTV
05-Jul-18

JTV's Link
the Dem party is in a deep decline right now... just look who they are aiming for .. socialists .... look at who they have in their party and what they say... all are true nut cases who want to put illegals ahead of true Americans .... Its a sad to be a Dem right now, so it is time to #WALKAWAY ...

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/07/03/former_liberal_to_progressives_time_to_walk_away.html

From: HDE
05-Jul-18
I've always wondered how the dems will pay for all their social programs if all the working people decided to take 3 or 4 months off...?

From: itshot
05-Jul-18
just another rebrand of the communists-at-heart, 'progressive' just wasn't bold enough

From: JTV
05-Jul-18
Alinski is grinning ..

From: Woods Walker
05-Jul-18

Woods Walker's embedded Photo
OUCH!!!
Woods Walker's embedded Photo
OUCH!!!

From: Glunt@work
06-Jul-18
Its like a road trip. Its better for everyone if the adults (conservatives) plan the route, take care of the car maintenance, drive, choose the meals and control the music.

The kids (liberals) benefit from all the responsible stuff happening around them they ignore but still yell (ice cream!!!!) every time its time to decide on a place to stop and eat and spend most of the trip not knowing where they are, where we are headed or how we got this far. Luckily we caught them and put them in the back seat before they drove us off a cliff. Hopefully we can get some repairs done, fill up on gas and oil, vacuum the french fries and candy wrappers out, and put some miles on in the right direction before they jump behind the wheel again.

From: Rhody
06-Jul-18
National Socialist Democratic Party.... Marxism comes to mind

From: Woods Walker
06-Jul-18
And like Marxism, is based on pure lies. It has to be, because if they actually told the truth about who they are/what they really want, no one with the I.Q. of a turnip would listen to them.

It's gotten SO bad that it's now at the point where they could be staring into the rising morning sun and will swear to you that they're looking west.

06-Jul-18
The political spectrum is heavily distorted in MA, Will!

Most of todays Republicans from MA would hardly qualify as actual MA Democrats of 30 years ago, I know, I grew up and lived there into my 40s. I was a conservative Democrat until the party left me. Then I was a Republican until I realized that they were all pansies and also moving to the left!

The political spectrum has anarchy, not movie stuff, but true anarchy, no government just a bunch of free people working things out together on the far right wall, and all the isms, communism, socialism, facism, Marxism, all the totalitarian control on the far left wall. If we place a mark dead center between the two and call that centrist we have a framework but we MUST remember that position is actually LEFT of the true center.

The founders of America wanted to be as far to the right, have as much individual freedom, as possible but recognized the need for some government. They decided to have a small limited government to take care of the very few and well limited (or enumerated) things that a central government should be good at. ALL the rest was rightfully left to the people or the states to sort out. That position, that actual center if you will, is well to the right of the physical "center" we spoke of.

To me, the place where we actually started is the center. So right is to the right of that, closer to anarchy. Anything to the left of the start point is obviously closer and closer to all the 'isms' on the left. Many people are far to the left of either center and that is why we have so many people, ignorant people, who behave like facists while naming themselves ANTIFA, (anti-facist)! They have no knowledge of our history, our political system, or the origin of our political or life phylosophy. In short, the left has succeeded in divorcing the people it indoctrinates from their own history, and therefore, their future.

Our challenge is to educate them before this nation comes to blows with itself.

From: Bonafide
06-Jul-18
Typical response, Russia, Russia, Russia. Stop watching CNN you damn brain dead lemming.

06-Jul-18
Rhody is right, they want communism.

06-Jul-18
Putin is a former KGB agent. He yearns for the days of the old Russian communist government. Trump is now calling him a “fine person” remind me again who wants to get close to communism?

From: Glunt@work
06-Jul-18
“I am aware of not only the extraordinary work that you’ve done on behalf of the Russian people in your previous role as prime minis-, uh, as president, but in your current role as prime minister...”

Barack Obama

I have my guess as as to which one gets the better result from platitudes.

From: HA/KS
06-Jul-18

HA/KS's embedded Photo
HA/KS's embedded Photo

From: Trax
06-Jul-18
Parasite Obama the America hating race pimp bent over and took it form Putin along with every other socialist and Islamic dictator he encountered. OBOZO was in the process of selling this great counties sovereignty to the global cabal. Something Hilda would have accelerated and that was their plan. Thank God for President Trump and his strong and visionary leadership! We finally have a leader who is working for we the people and ONLY the United States of America! Sadly both a large percentage of Congress and a large percentile within the Republican Party are with the global cabal and working against him.

From: JTV
06-Jul-18

06-Jul-18
Right on! Right on!

06-Jul-18
Quite honestly Trump is going to Russia to meet with his handler. He's going to meet with a guy he's been worshipping & admiring for years. That doesn't bode well for the US

Putin hates America. Wants our allies to be fragmented and wants us in a trade war. Hasn’t he gotten what he wants out of trump?

One thought: If stupid Kim Jong Un can completely dupe Trump, just imagine what Vladimir Putin can do to him.

The US is in trouble. The GOP is complicit.

From: JTV
06-Jul-18
some liberals on here will always speak with and from their heads up their asses ...

From: Trax
06-Jul-18
Quite honestly not even Paul Zeidan is quite as stupid as he paints himself. Oh he’ll never run out of dumb, but not even he believes anything he blabbers. He is a troll, and once again I’ll kick the troll in the eye with the end of my boot and do it with glee! Parasite Obama the America hating race pimp was owned by the global cabal, owned by the likes of Putin. President Trump is finally the strong and visionary leader the USA needs! Commies like Paul Zeidan just can’t let the fact go that Hilda the leftist skank and OBOZO are permanently removed like the cancerous tumor they were. 6 1/2 more years of President Trump! Thank you President Trump!

From: bad karma
06-Jul-18
Pat, please reinstate thread owner tools so I can get rid of idiotic tools.

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