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"Democrats Have Fully Embraced Fascist Socialism

? July 6, 2018 ? by David Blackmon ? 3 Comments

Today’s Campaign Update

(Because The Campaign Never Ends)

Maxine Waters gets her way in Flyover Country.: Some guy in San Antonio named Kino Jiminez is looking for work today. He lost his job at a bar called Rumble after he was filmed assaulting a teenager at a local Whataburger (good choice!) for having the temerity to wear a “Make America Great Again” cap.

In addition to stealing the kid’s cap and verbally abusing him, Mr. Jiminez also threatened him physically and threw a soft drink in his face. Being a liberal idiot, he was no doubt shocked that he ended up getting fired by his employer after the video of his assault went viral on social media.

And why wouldn’t he be? After all, a member of congress can get up and incite exactly this sort of behavior in public, have her despicable rant end up on national television and nothing happens to her. Ol’ Kino was just taking direction from his betters, after all, right?

So Mad Maxine’s getting her way, even out here in Flyover Country.

And speaking of Mad Maxine getting her way, EPA Administrator Scott Pruitt, fresh off of being accosted in a Washington, DC restaurant a few days ago, resigned from his office on Thursday, citing “unrelenting attacks” from the left and the fake news media on himself and his family.

Pruitt has done a great job of reining in the most abusive agency in the entire federal government during his year and a half on the job, but he has been beset by unending “scandals” – many fake, some real – over his personal behavior in office. Late last year, the fake news media and their Democrat wards determined that Pruitt was ethically challenged and decided to mount a focused, coordinated campaign to run him from office, which is what the media and the Democrats always do whenever an effective conservative is running the EPA.

Unfortunately, Pruitt gave them a little rope to work with, and they wrapped it around his neck and kept squeezing until the pressure became too much to bear. Adios, Mr. Pruitt.

Things won’t be any easier for Pruitt’s successor, Andrew Wheeler. Before the ink had dried on Pruitt’s resignation letter, fake news media outlets like Newsweek and the Associated Press were out in force with their first shots across the bow in their war on his character as well.

Where Pruitt had sued the EPA dozens of time while serving as Oklahoma’s Attorney General, Wheeler spent time as a lobbyist for a coal company and also as a staffer for Oklahoma Senator and fierce EPA critic James Inhofe, a truly great man who is of course utterly detested by the the Climate Change hoaxers. Having worked for Inhofe, who has himself been the subject of unending assaults on his character from the global warming lobby for decades, means Wheeler is no stranger to the sort of treatment he is about be subjected to.

Thus, the hilarious outcome for the Climate hoaxers is that they may have “won” a battle with Pruitt, but their war to regulate the U.S. economy into submission through the EPA isn’t going to get any easier with Wheeler taking the reins.

All of which brings me around to this morning’s overriding point, which is that, thanks to the radicalization of the Democrat Party, our country is in danger of losing all notion of public civility. There are no longer any adults serving in leadership roles in the Democrat Party or in the fake national news media that serves as their propaganda arm, and that is ultimately a danger to the nation’s survival.

The refusal by anyone in a position of authority within the Democrat Party to discipline Maxine Waters for her clear, repeated public incitements to violence is one of the saddest disgraces in American political history. Likewise, the refusal of our fake news outlets to call the Democrats to account for their putrid behavior is equally disgraceful and just one more bit of proof – as if we needed any more – that the media has consciously and intentionally abandoned its intended role as the watchdog for the public interest.

Absent that watchdog, the political party with no adults in the room will only continue to ramp up its efforts to destroy civil discourse in our society, because they believe they cannot win back political power through civil behavior. The Democrat Party has obviously determined that the only way for it to ever regain a majority status in this country is through violence. They’ve lost the arguments, so the arguments must end.

Throughout world history, this has always been the natural progression fascist socialism has taken, and sadly, the Democrats have fully embraced fascist socialism at this point. The proof is there every day in their public statements and the actions they take. So long as there is no political price to be paid for this increasing subornation of violence, no real news media willing to call them out for this anti-social behavior, this will only continue to escalate.

Conservatives have spent most of the last 20 months snickering about the #Resistance and all the silly sloganeering and public demonstrations surrounding it. But the time for snickering is past: the #Resistance is real, and it is growing bolder and increasingly violent because there are no longer any adults on the American left willing to put any brakes on it.

Just another day in the Democrat Party hates this country America.

That is all."

10-Jul-18
socialism and fascism are mutually exclusive and are considered to be on opposite ends of the political spectrum. Fascism is far right....socialism far left. anyone who argues otherwise is uneducated.

From: JTV
10-Jul-18

JTV's Link
"National Bolshevism must strike some on the left as quite perplexing. After all, Bolshevism and Nazism — like fascism and socialism — are opposites, right?

If you read my book, you’d know I consider this the greatest myth and/or lie of the 20th century (coming in a distant second: the idea that there is a difference between good flan and bad flan)."

Jonah Goldberg knows better than most .. ^^

https://www.nationalreview.com/2014/02/fascism-and-socialism-still-not-opposites-jonah-goldberg/

From: JTV
10-Jul-18

JTV's Link
http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/fascism_and_communism-socialism.html

they can and do exist together ........

10-Jul-18

Straight —» Arrow's Link
I know what you are saying......it's for sure not a black vs white comparison. Politics has many more dimensions than left/right.

To me the two theories originate from opposing values. socialism strives for an equal society and is based on the idea of democratic ownership and redistribution of wealth. fascism strives for the imposition of national and racial superiority and advocates economic growth fostered by national companies and corporations.

However, they do share some similarities....they are both strong ideologies. they both imply strong governmental involvement in economic and social life, they both have the power to create strong social movements and they both oppose free markets and capitalism. Finally....they both need a strong government and leader.

So far the world has never seen a nation that is both at the same time....but we might get there in this country if it keeps going the wrong way that's for sure.

From: JTV
10-Jul-18
yea, thats the scary part (last sentence)....

11-Jul-18
"socialism and fascism are mutually exclusive and are considered to be on opposite ends of the political spectrum. Fascism is far right....socialism far left. anyone who argues otherwise is uneducated."

COMPLETELY WRONG!!

On the political scale, you have totalitarianism on the extreme left and anarchy on the extreme right. The right side is about freedom, complete freedom, while the left is all about complete control.

All the "isms", communism, socialism, facism, etc. are on the left, as each of them is about progressively more and more control of the people.

The right side is about more and more FREEDOM. The founders designed a country which allowed the maximum amount of freedom while having a small, well controlled government to take care of those few enumerated jobs best done by a federal government. Over the years that government has done what all governments do, it grew itself. It took over many responsibilitries that it has ZERO right to. It stole those responsibilities from the STATES and the PEOPLE by inventing new ways to re-interpret the real laws.

One of the most destructive things that government did was to seperate people from the facts. They took over education so that they could not teach real history and real understanding so that otherwise perfectly intelligent and reasonable people, like SA, will spout that government drivel!

From: Owl
11-Jul-18
I Agree with Spike Bull on this one but I keep with W Cleon Skousen’s model of the political spectrum.

Actually socialism requires elements of fascism to exist. And vice versa.

From: Owl
11-Jul-18
Double tap...

11-Jul-18
Those of us who do understand Klousen's model realize that it requires the actual center to be pretty far to the right, the free side, and no where near to the "center" that the left describes and advocates. They drive that narrative because it unfairly appeals to people's sense of fair play while automatically moving the goal posts to the left, to their advantage.

From: JL
11-Jul-18
Can't remember where I was reading a thread about the whether Hitler/Nazi's were socialists or fascists or both. The posters were also discussing whether the Hitler/Nazi's allowed unions....which I think it was pointed out there was a state controlled union or two. It was an interesting thread discussing historical events.

11-Jul-18
wow. you guys are serious extremists if you subscribe to that Cleon Skousen stuff.

From: JTV
11-Jul-18
JL, go above to my last link ... it touches on such....

11-Jul-18
Hahahahhaaaa! That right there is funny, SA, I don't care who you are! You live way left of where you think you are and are so well indoctrinated that you we are radical! Well, I guess we are because you are comfortable being the serf of some elitists and we adhere to a radical new way of thinking , freedom and self governance! Sounds like an original American idea.....

From: bigeasygator
11-Jul-18
"The right side is about more and more FREEDOM"*

*unless you are gay, an immigrant, a non-Christian, pro-marijuana, etc etc

There are plenty of freedoms that those on the "right" are looking to curtail and shut-down. Social conservatism tends to be at odds with "freedom" in many instances.

From: JTV
11-Jul-18
No BEG.. its the ILLEGALS we are worried above, if a person comes into the US and goes thru the required methods to get their citizenship, they are welcome.... dont play your lousy word games... and as for pot, it is still a drug that damages the mind and body for its illicit use, there may be some viable medical uses, but they are not to get "high".... if you want to get "high", get off your fat ass and go for a 10 mile run or climb a mountain ... ...

11-Jul-18
BS, bge!! I dont care if people are gay, I just dont want them sticking it in my face! I really like immigrants, I find there life experiences interesting, they just better be LEGAL! You want to be .................... (insert religion here), I dont care! So long as your religion does not openly call for you to lie, cheat, steal, rape, and murder, we are good!

You wanna grow your own and smoke pot in your own home, why would I care? you start selling it to my grandkids and we have a problem!!

There are those on the right who dont really understand the full depth and width of freedom, myself included, but that is not the end of the right, it is the begining!

The left is undoubtably going totalitarian!!!!!

From: bigeasygator
11-Jul-18
Glad you feel that way, Spike. Unfortunately plenty of people who self-identify as being “conservative” don’t share your views and celebrate people like Kim Davis, support legislation making certain religious beliefs illegal, and feel the government should have more of a role in saying what people should and shouldn’t do on their own time.

From: HA/KS
11-Jul-18
BEG,being opposed to something because it is immoral or bad for people is quite different than wanting the government to control it.

As was stated at our founding "A government that will only work for a moral and religious population."

If people do not control their own immoral and unhealthy activities (with personal and social responsibility), government controls increase. That is not a conservative solution.

From: HDE
11-Jul-18
Today's trend of warming up to immigration is so that one day [soon] the majority will turn a blind eye to illegal immigration.

If you can't see that, a guy is pretty naive...

From: TD
11-Jul-18
"being opposed to something because it is immoral or bad for people is quite different than wanting the government to control it. "

X2

Cheating on your spouse is considered (by most....) to be highly immoral. It is not illegal. Nor should it be. But there should be IMO a societal judgement or stigma. By the same token it also should not be legitimized by statute.

Morality in and of itself should not have legal standing. But a decent and "moral" society needs those guidelines, like road signs or the painted lines on a highway. Guardrails even.

From: bigeasygator
11-Jul-18
"BEG,being opposed to something because it is immoral or bad for people is quite different than wanting the government to control it"

You're proving my point HA/KS - it all depends on your definition of "immoral or bad." Conservatives are all for giving up freedoms if they deem them "immoral or bad." I'll maintain that I want the government deciding as little as possible what is immoral or bad for me. There are obvious acts that warrant it - murder, robbery, rape, etc. There are plenty of acts that have been deemed "immoral or bad" that take on a much more subjective feel.

From: HA/KS
11-Jul-18
BEG, are you intentionally missing the point? If not, .......

From: HDE
11-Jul-18
Fine line between Libertarianism and Liberalism. It is wise to know where that line is...

11-Jul-18
Also, the fine line between what we can and should legislate and what is between a man and his Maker.

From: bigeasygator
11-Jul-18
Don't think I am, HA/KS. Plenty of people want the government to step in and control things. I understand there's a difference between something being judged as "bad" by society and something being illegal.

I'm speaking purely towards instances of individuals wanting government control over things I believe the government should stay out of - for example, who you want to marry, whether you feel like indulging in marijuana, making "Sharia" illegal, etc. There are existing laws and there have been attempts to legislate control over these things. And it has nothing to do with personal and social responsibility in many instances - rather a subjective view of what is "right" and what is "wrong."

I understand plenty where libertarianism overlaps with what is deemed as "conservatism" and "liberalism" when viewed in context of the current political system in the USA. Which also means I understand where "conservatism" has separated from it's libertarian roots.

From: HA/KS
11-Jul-18
"... who you want to marry, whether you feel like indulging in marijuana, making "Sharia" illegal..."

Should any form of "marriage" be outlawed?

Should any substance be illegal for individual use?

Should any "religious" practice be outlawed?

From: bigeasygator
11-Jul-18
I’ve maintained I’m a libertarian, not an anarchist. When deciding what to regulate and where to draw the line, I generally align with the Libertarian Party platform when they say “We hold that all individuals have the right to exercise sole dominion over their own lives, and have the right to live in whatever manner they choose, so long as they do not forcibly interfere with the equal right of others to live in whatever manner they choose.”

From: Owl
11-Jul-18
beg has points relative to “conservative” statist impulses.

12-Jul-18
In the case of Sharia Law, it already illegal in many regards.

Lying, cheating, raping, murdering, honor killings, marrying children, beating women, owning people, religious persecution, all these things and many more crimes are components of Sharia Law.

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