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Your fav poster 09-Jul-18
kent 09-Jul-18
longbowbud 09-Jul-18
elkmtngear 09-Jul-18
JTV 09-Jul-18
Your fav poster 09-Jul-18
Glunt@work 09-Jul-18
trublucolo 09-Jul-18
Bentstick81 09-Jul-18
JTV 09-Jul-18
PECO 09-Jul-18
PECO 09-Jul-18
JTV 09-Jul-18
IdyllwildArcher 09-Jul-18
trublucolo 09-Jul-18
Grey Ghost 09-Jul-18
Glunt@work 09-Jul-18
K Cummings 18-Jul-18
gflight 18-Jul-18
Annony Mouse 18-Jul-18
Trax 18-Jul-18
Dale Cover 18-Jul-18
Spike Bull 18-Jul-18
Bob H in NH 18-Jul-18
'Ike' (Phone) 18-Jul-18
Shuteye 18-Jul-18
bad karma 18-Jul-18
JTV 18-Jul-18
Annony Mouse 18-Jul-18
JTV 18-Jul-18
Annony Mouse 18-Jul-18
Bownarrow 18-Jul-18
Annony Mouse 18-Jul-18
JTV 18-Jul-18
JTV 18-Jul-18
Annony Mouse 18-Jul-18
JTV 18-Jul-18
JTV 18-Jul-18
K Cummings 19-Jul-18
Spike Bull 19-Jul-18
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K Cummings 19-Jul-18
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K Cummings 19-Jul-18
JTV 19-Jul-18
Bentstick81 19-Jul-18
JTV 19-Jul-18
Your fav poster 19-Jul-18
itshot 19-Jul-18
trublucolo 19-Jul-18
Bowbender 19-Jul-18
MT in Mo/Cell 19-Jul-18
Bentstick81 19-Jul-18
JTV 19-Jul-18
JTV 19-Jul-18
K Cummings 19-Jul-18
TD 20-Jul-18
WV Mountaineer 20-Jul-18
K Cummings 20-Jul-18
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09-Jul-18
Trump wants to meet with Putin alone, with no other aides present on either side, in Helsinki this month. That means no note-takers, witnesses, or official record.

Can anyone say how or why this would benefit America? What’s the purpose of this meeting? Americans deserve to know because the president works for the American people.

And why doesn't Trump want any witnesses in the room while speaking with Putin? That's not suspicious at all.

From: kent
09-Jul-18
I'm OK with it--Get over it !!!!

From: longbowbud
09-Jul-18
dont worry, he will have more flexibility after the election....dumbass

From: elkmtngear
09-Jul-18
"And why doesn't Trump want any witnesses in the room while speaking with Putin"?

Gee, I dunno, maybe it's because every spoken word has the potential to be taken out of context, doused with liberal sauce, and used in Broadcast Warfare???

From: JTV
09-Jul-18

JTV's embedded Photo
JTV's embedded Photo

09-Jul-18
It would seem that a transcript of the meeting would be actual words. No way to make it biased if you read the exact words. BUT with no witness and no recording, the speculating will explode. Seems pretty simple. Without a record, there tends to be stories told/leaked etc. with a record, well just read the words!

And Kent, can you come up with a single reason to appease Putin? He’s not backed away from Crimea. It’s confirmed that he’s involved in several elections including our own. He’s known to kill or have killed political opponents and he regulalry mocks NATO, our alliances and the US.

So what’s in it for America and what’s in it for trump?

From: Glunt@work
09-Jul-18
Russia is a major power. We have a lot of friction with them but we also have common enemies. We have worked with them in the past to defeat common enemies. maybe when discussing those enemies its best to not broadcast it.

From: trublucolo
09-Jul-18
It didn't bother the left when 0bama did it, I'm not going to lose a minutes sleep while you stool samples on the left wig out over Trump doing it.

From: Bentstick81
09-Jul-18
"you stool samples on the left wig out over Trump doing it." Good one, tru. LOL 8^)

From: JTV
09-Jul-18

From: PECO
09-Jul-18
"And why doesn't Trump want any witnesses in the room while speaking with Putin? That's not suspicious at all." Because you assfick libshitts will take everything out of context and edit the conversation.

From: PECO
09-Jul-18
"And why doesn't Trump want any witnesses in the room while speaking with Putin? That's not suspicious at all." Because you assfick libshitts will take everything out of context and edit the conversation.

From: JTV
09-Jul-18
you can say that again .....

09-Jul-18
I thought Putin didn't speak English. How would they communicate?

09-Jul-18
PECO, how could you edit actual words in the transcript of the recording?

"lets work together on this and that and this is how we'll do it" if that was said, how can one edit this?

Lets be intellectually honest here, huh? Its very suspicious that trump would not want even his closest advisers in on the meeting. If you can't see that, you are willfully blind and ignorant. So just come out and say it. "I blindly follow anything trump does and says". I'd have a little more respect for you, although I'd be a bit concerned.

From: trublucolo
09-Jul-18
"I'd have a little more respect for you, although I'd be a bit concerned."

Not one single person on this site is genuinely concerned about earning "respect" from you. The fact you even brought it up is the "willfully blind and ignorant" part. You really are a piece of work.

From: Grey Ghost
09-Jul-18
Trump wants to meet with Putin alone, with no other aides present on either side, in Helsinki this month. That means no note-takers, witnesses, or official record. Can anyone say how or why this would benefit America?"Trump wants to meet with Putin alone, with no other aides present on either side, in Helsinki this month. That means no note-takers, witnesses, or official record. Can anyone say how or why this would benefit America?"

It won't benefit anyone but Trump and Putin, because they will both proclaim it a political victory of YUGE proportions for their respective sides. Can you say "dog and pony show"?

Matt

From: Glunt@work
09-Jul-18
Putin speaks english pretty well.

From: K Cummings
18-Jul-18
"Gee, I dunno, maybe it's because every spoken word has the potential to be taken out of context, doused with liberal sauce, and used in Broadcast Warfare???"

Ya think?

:)

KPC

From: gflight
18-Jul-18

gflight's Link
"Recall that George W. Bush entered the White House promising to end the "dead ideological rivalry" of the Cold War. At a 2001 summit with Putin in Slovenia, Bush declared, "I looked the man in the eye. I found him very straightforward and trustworthy -- I was able to get a sense of his soul."

President Barack Obama tried to appease Putin by giving in to the Russian leader's demands that we cancel our missile-defense plan with Poland and the Czech Republic -- and did it on the 70th anniversary of the Soviet invasion of Poland.

And while serving as Obama's secretary of state, Hillary Clinton humiliated herself when she gave Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov a giant red button with the word "reset" on it (which, adding insult to injury, misspelled the Russian word for "reset" to read "overload")."

From: Annony Mouse
18-Jul-18

From: Trax
18-Jul-18
Ronald Reagan met with Gorby one on one too. Obama caught pledging who knows what. Like the porn stars, like the crying kids, like the ChiComms, the Rushkies aren't comin either! The leftists and their pet media will move on to the next made up crisis.

Reminds me of a great thing Ronald Reagan said, to paraphrase.

"How do you tell who is a Communist? They are someone who reads Lenin and Marx. How do you tell who is an anti-Communist? They are someone who understands it."

From: Dale Cover
18-Jul-18
One on one, you can have a VERY frank conversation and say EXACTLY what you mean, and tell him exactly what you expect of him. And there's no live coverage of the conversation that would require either of them to act more defensively in order to save face with their people. You get your point across, essentially telling him, "F with us some more, and we'll stomp you into the ground." You come to an understanding.

Then, when you're in public and the cameras are rolling, you play the good little politicians, and say all the nicey nice thing you're supposed to say to be "Diplomatic". Both sides get to look good to the outside world, and to their people.

Have you never had to pull someone aside and say, "OK here's the deal..." before you deal with them in a public setting?

I thought it was obvious why they had a private face to face.

18-Jul-18
Right on, Dale. So simple yet so hard for all with TDS to understand!

From: Bob H in NH
18-Jul-18
Why would he need his aides? If he's prepared for the meeting, he knows what they'd tell him. So, with the aides in the room: - more "leak" options - they are useless unless you are going to stop the meeting for a side meeting to hear what they think, this then tells Putin "got him".

Trump is a business man, he's prepared, he's going 1-1. Besides it's not 1-1, both have translators with them.

18-Jul-18
Lol...Keep trying!

From: Shuteye
18-Jul-18
Now the liberals want to subpoena the interpreter to testify.

From: bad karma
18-Jul-18
I have it on good authority that Trump and Putin talked about their grandchildren.

18-Jul-18
putin and trump had a private meeting. Trump specifically asked for a private meeting. He also won't tell us Americans what was said in that meeting. So who is hiding what here? He works for the American people. He is not to be trusted as evidenced by this past week and several other 'mispeakings'. If he promised Putin things, we need to know. If he cut any deals, we need to know. He is not a dictator or king. Subpoena the interpreter and lets get to the bottom of this already.

From: JTV
18-Jul-18
it was a PRIVATE MEETING you dumb ass... PRIVATE !! .... they were talking about their grandkids and swapping recipes just like Billy Clinton and Lynch did ... sheesh ..... once again the clownboy of Bowsite proves why he is considered as such with his asinine and nonsensical comments ...

From: Annony Mouse
18-Jul-18

Annony Mouse's Link

From: JTV
18-Jul-18

JTV's Link
Obama wanted to "strengthen" Russia ... with help from Clinton of course ... video to prove it ..

https://www.dailywire.com/news/33260/watch-hillary-said-2010-obama-wanted-strengthen-ryan-saavedra

From: Annony Mouse
18-Jul-18

From: Bownarrow
18-Jul-18
Obama "wanted" to strengthen Russia. But it took Trump to do it-Winning!

From: Annony Mouse
18-Jul-18
From: JTV
18-Jul-18

JTV's embedded Photo
JTV's embedded Photo

From: JTV
18-Jul-18

JTV's Link
https://gop.com/obamas-feckless-foreign-policy-emboldened-russia-rsr/

From: Annony Mouse
18-Jul-18
Russia demands proof of ‘nonsense’ election meddling claims

Wash Exam-

Russia’s ambassador to the U.S. on Wednesday said the Trump administration needs to provide proof that Russian officials meddled in the 2016 election, or stop talking about it. (continued at link)

Rather embarrassing for Mueller and cohorts for the Russians' demand to see proof of the accusations. One small fact not heard over the caterwauling of the "Trump is traitor" horde is that no matter what they want to accuse the Russians of...the core of our legal system is that one is innocent until proven guilty. Yet all we have seen is the accusations and emoting from the usual TDS talking heads...and hero Mueller has passed this case away such that there will never be any trial or exposure of facts...just a hyped branding of guilt by accusation.

Trump should issue an executive order declassifying every single document, email, voice recording WRT the entire movement to destroy the foundation of our Constitution.

From: JTV
18-Jul-18

JTV's Link
ooooopsie ... ROFLMAO !!!!!!

https://www.dailywire.com/news/33227/photo-chuck-schumer-eating-doughnuts-vladimir-joseph-curl

From: JTV
18-Jul-18

JTV's embedded Photo
JTV's embedded Photo
aw, how nice ....Coffee and doughnuts with Vlad ...lol

From: K Cummings
19-Jul-18
"If PutZ opens a thread , other than a Stop Sign, I will NOT post on that thread, I will not engage nor respond to any of the blather... let him wallow in his own filth and make himself to be the fool we all know he is .... ... he is persona non grata around here ..."

KPC

19-Jul-18
Funny how you spend way more time and effort going after guys like JTV than you do PutZ.

From: Bentstick81
19-Jul-18
Spike Bull.... BINGO!!!

From: K Cummings
19-Jul-18
Bentstick:

There are certain posters that I don't spend any time going after. Obvious trolls are part of that group. Unlike others, I said I wouldn't, I don't, and I won't.

That's the whole point of the anonymous quote I posted.

Ironically, some of the very people that are constantly accusing others of being untruthful and not living up to their promises and therefore shouldn't be welcome here, don't seem to have any problem being untruthful and not living up to their promises.

Is that a "BINGO" too?

KPC

From: Bentstick81
19-Jul-18
Just an observation KPC, just an observation. You can call a BINGO to anything you want. Spike posted something that was true, and i agreed with him. Period.

From: Bentstick81
19-Jul-18
Oh, and by the way. Have you noticed that paulz is on more than ever since i quit responding to him? He's doing exactly what i said he would.

From: K Cummings
19-Jul-18
"Have you noticed that paulz is on more than ever since i quit responding to him?

Why do you think that is Bentstick?

I'll tell you why. By ramping up the rhetoric, he has been successful in goading people, including and especially the ones that stated emphatically that they never would, into playing his game. He get's off on duping them. And they allow him to do it.

I told you so at the time and I will tell you again, I admire the fact that you have decided to no longer play. It's a shame other's don't have the discipline to do the same.

KPC

From: JTV
19-Jul-18
well, we all know what I think of KPC... he ranks up there with GG and the king of fools... PutZ...

From: Bentstick81
19-Jul-18
KPC. It isn't going to matter how long anyone ignores him. After nearly 40 fake registrations, and you think ignoring him will work? Not a chance.

From: JTV
19-Jul-18

JTV's Link
its hard to forget the time the drunkard Ted Kennedy tried his best to undermine Reagan by going to the KBG .... but yet, all Trump was was nice and didnt make a scene .... shows how biased and jacked up the left/FNM/MSM and the #neverTrumpers are ...smh ..

https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/270783/ted-kennedy-and-kgb-jamie-glazov

"Editors’ note: In light of the Left's deranged hysteria in response to President Trump's recent press conference with Vladimir Putin in Helsinki, marked by pathological accusations that Trump has engaged in "treason," Frontpage has deemed it important to bring attention to a forgotten story of verifiable scheming with the Kremlin -- by the late Democratic Sen. Ted Kennedy against President Ronald Reagan. We are reprinting below Frontpage editor Jamie Glazov’s 2008 interview with Dr. Paul Kengor, who unearthed documentation detailing Kennedy's outreach to the KGB and Soviet leader Yuri Andropov during the height of the Cold War, in which the Democratic Senator offered to collude with the Soviets to undermine President Reagan. There were no screams of moral indignation, or accusations of treason, about this matter from the Left at that time -- nor since." ........rest at link ^^

19-Jul-18
How come no notes or record of the private meeting?

Why is no one allowed to verify if he cut a secret deal w Putin?

Of course Putin recorded the meeting. Nobody could seriously doubt that. Because not even Putin trusts trump and Putin is a professional at what he does. Trump is strictly a foreign relations amateur.

somewhere a guy named Rex is holding a glass with a good single malt saying "I told you he was a moron”!

From: itshot
19-Jul-18
go powder your nose and relax paulicia, none of your input amounts to anything, anywhere

From: trublucolo
19-Jul-18
a little bit of baby powder on that diaper rash might help too.

From: Bowbender
19-Jul-18
Change your tampon too. I think you're suffering from TSS.

19-Jul-18
Paul,

They talked about their grandchildren.

19-Jul-18
Good one...HfW...lol

From: Bentstick81
19-Jul-18
I got to admit H for W. That was a good one. I also would have to throw in Tru's, Itshot's , and Bowbender's in there as well. 8^)

From: JTV
19-Jul-18

JTV's Link
https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/270784/trump-stood-putin-obama-appeased-him-daniel-greenfield

From: JTV
19-Jul-18

JTV's Link
https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/270784/trump-stood-putin-obama-appeased-him-daniel-greenfield

From: K Cummings
19-Jul-18
"It isn't going to matter how long anyone ignores him. After nearly 40 fake registrations, and you think ignoring him will work? Not a chance."

Unfortunately, we will probably never know. Some posters simply lack the discipline to ever find out. In addition, the tough guy persona that they attempt to portray is really nothing but a mask.

Psychologists have known for a long time that when someone resorts to name calling, it usually speaks to feelings of inferiority and a feeling of inadequacy of the person doing the name calling. People stoop to the process of name calling when they feel lesser and need to make themselves feel more powerful.

KPC

From: TD
20-Jul-18
Aaaahhh.... Most psychologists are full of it......

=D

20-Jul-18
Come on Kevin. Only real tough guys with false registrations call a former president a parasite, race baiting pimp.

20-Jul-18
Kevin is not the enemy. Sometimes he gets irritating. But, he’s the same day in and day out. I rarely disagree with him. I just sometimes want to set down face to face with him. I’m certain I’d get the same response in person as I would on the screen. As would I from many here. Can’t dispute that. Only thing is he gets a goat for certain people and he really drives it home. In his way. It’s the same thing the tough guys are doing, only in a different way.

Which is why I don’t buy into his last description for everyone. I can tell who it would apply to here though. So, it’s not all wrong. Nor is he immune from it. He just does it differently.

You want to know a calm cat. TD. He is always on the factual side of things and, never has to my knowledge, posted a purely emotional response. Can’t say that for anyone else. And, I watch them all. So, let’s all strive to be more like Tom. This would be a better place.

From: K Cummings
20-Jul-18
WVM:

Interesting assessment. Some I agree with and some I question.

" Only thing is he gets a goat for certain people and he really drives it home. "

This part I found particularly interesting and worthy of a deeper dive.

You are absolutely correct when you say that I take issue with certain people more than others. However, I'm not sure I agree with the reason. Is it because I get a goat for certain posters, or is it simply because certain posters post demonstrably false things at a rate that literally dwarfs others? Or they repeatedly say they are going to do things, then they repeatedly do the opposite. "The squeaky wheel gets the grease" as it were.

When a poster starts multiple threads per day, with nothing more than links to "questionable" theories and news sites, wouldn't it stand to reason that a poster like that is going to be questioned at the same rate that they post? If you start 5 threads per day, you are going to get noticed (favorably and unfavorably) 5 times more than a person who may only start 1 thread per day.

When a poster publicly commits to do one thing, then does the exact opposite 5,10, 15 times a day, sometimes within the same thread, wouldn't it stand to reason that actions like that get pointed out at somewhere near those same multiples...especially when those posters demand in many of those posts that others live up to their commitments?

At the end of the day, I take issue with the posts that I feel are demonstrably false, unsupportable, or hypocritical...regardless of who posts them. It doesn't matter if they are on the far left, the far right, or somewhere in between or even someone I consider a friend. I would hope they would do the same.

Take Matt for example. Matt posts a lot of things that I wholeheartedly agree with and I say so. For that, I am accused of being a closet liberal. When I wholeheartedly disagree with Matt, he accuses me of wanting to distance myself from him, apparently for some nefarious reason.

Yes, I do enjoy the debate. I find it intellectually stimulating, but only when both sides are willing and capable of supporting their arguments in an intelligent manner. Some people seem to be afraid of that and the resulting discourse is obvious.

KPC

20-Jul-18
Kevin, I will be the first to say that the reason this “goat” starts is undoubtably due to a person posting something contradictory to what you believe. And, in this day and time, it’s easy to do that when the need is to do so. So, calling their sources bias doesnt nessecarily indicate it’s wrong or not correct. I do agree with your points. But, on matters of personal interest, opinions are what you are going to get. From anyone. Including you.

I do agree that people expect sides. And, most want to categorize others into “with us”or “against us” teams. I don’t know why. But, all of us exhibit that

I happen to think that in all but the rarest instances, you are determined to base your opinion on reality. It’s only issues that’s been close to you personally that facts or what we had as facts, didn’t seem to sway your opinion.

From: K Cummings
20-Jul-18
"I happen to think that in all but the rarest instances, you are determined to base your opinion on reality."

Thank you for acknowledging that, and I do make every effort to do just that. If I post an opinion, I make no bones about the fact that it is my opinion, and that others are welcome, even encouraged to disagree. All I ask is that you support your opinion factually. Almost without fail, when a person resorts to vulgarity and name calling, the factual argument has been lost.

Even when it comes to facts, I do my absolute best to verify things before I post them. I do this for a couple reasons.

1. First and foremost, I think we owe it to each other to trade in reality. Nobody actually learns anything from fake news and emotional rants.

2. Second, and to a lesser extent, I realize that if I am willing to point those things out, I better be damn sure that what I post is at least factually correct or there are going to be a number of people that are ready, able, and gleefully waiting to shove it in my face. I get that...and it's OK. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

Lastly, it's hard not to be emotional or to respond in kind. I do my best, but I don't always succeed. I have however identified a number posters that in my opinion are either incapable of discussing things factually or rationally at all, or that only trade personal insults, or are obviously trolls. When I get to the point where I can no longer keep myself from responding in kind, or I have determined that a poster is a liar, can't be trusted, emotionally incapable, or a troll, I refuse to respond directly to them at all. That in no way suggests that things they have said cannot be discussed rationally with other posters, I just will never discuss anything with them again. Those posters are few and far between but they do exist.

KPC

20-Jul-18
I bet there are some people wondering how they can get on that short list;)

You know I am just kidding, seriously. You always have posts backed by facts and we appreciate that.

From: K Cummings
20-Jul-18
"I bet there are some people wondering how they can get on that short list..."

That's easy. Demonstrate to my mind that you are a liar, can't be trusted, emotionally unstable, or an obvious troll. To date, there are only 4 such posters (or 44 depending on whether you count all of one's identities).

:)

KPC

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