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From: Grey Ghost
11-Jul-18
I'm glad to hear he's moderate, if that's true.

Matt

From: Mint
11-Jul-18
He is definitely a moderate in my opinion and if the left keeps him off the court it wouldn't bother me one bit.

From: JL
11-Jul-18
That's why I suggest waiting for his responses in his confirmation hearing. Following the Constitution should not entail "swing voting".

11-Jul-18
As I said earlier...He is just a pawn to get to the “Real” pick for the seat.

From: Brotsky
11-Jul-18
KPC, yeah but only according to how some of these guys interpret it! Ha!

From: HA/KS
11-Jul-18
"The supreme court is no place for an activist...left or right wing."

From: Grey Ghost
11-Jul-18
I find it curious that Kavanaugh is reported to only have a net worth of less than $100,000 excluding his house. How does a 53 year old Yale law graduate, with no history of health or unemployment problems, and a working spouse, accumulate such a relatively paltry savings? If confirmed, he will be the only non-millionaire on the bench.

Not that you need a lot of money to be a SC justice and interpret the Constitution correctly, but I find it odd that a man of his education and employment stature is so woefully unprepared financially for retirement, or his kid's college costs. Of course, a $255,000/year lifetime pension, if he's confirmed, will certainly help.

Matt

From: JL
11-Jul-18
GG, I lived in Southern MD and worked inside the Beltway for 5 years. That area is a very expensive place to live. It will suck you dry. I suspect he and the wife also have the usual bills the rest of us do.

From: HDE
11-Jul-18
He may live in a 5MM dollar home...

11-Jul-18
Attila the Hun would be a moderate compared to some of you guys. I agree with Henry and KPC's comments the most, but Trax sums it up well too. Kavanaugh is not going to be the arch conservative some you want but he's no lib. In fact, the libs I happen to know are all freaking out about how much they hate the guy....and any enemy of the libs can't be all bad.

From: canepole
11-Jul-18
Matt, even though I only agree with about half of what you post I normally respect your opinon(s). With that said what in the world does Kavanaughs net worth have to do with anything? Please explain this to me if you would. Thanks, Gene

From: Mike in CT
11-Jul-18
I'm not a lawyer (and I don't even play one on TV) but I distill my feelings down to this; does a judge examine a case and determine if the law was applied fairly and within the bounds of the Constitution or does a judge ask if the end result was fair.

If the former, I'm good to go; the sad reality is we do have some laws that produce less than desirable outcomes but that is the responsibility of Congress to address, not the judiciary. I have no regard for judicial activists and that is not predicated upon which direction they err; neither is acceptable.

I agree with KPC and Trax's assessments on this nominee.

From: Grey Ghost
11-Jul-18
Gene,

Good question. I think a SC judge should have a well-rounded knowledge of most things, including business and finances. After all, many of their cases, and the laws that apply, relate to those subjects. Kavanaugh's lack of net worth implies to me a lack of acumen in those areas. Either that, or he lives well beyond his means, in which case I question his judgment.

I hope that answers your question.

Matt

From: canepole
11-Jul-18
Matt, only partially. Would you feel better if the appointee was a multi millionaire? Then we might be having a discussion about another wealthy Caucasian male don't can't relate with to/with .............(fill in the blank). Gene

From: canepole
11-Jul-18
that can't relate

11-Jul-18
He has been an appeals court judge in a pretty expensive place to live. They don't really make that much. Depending how expensive his house is, kids, private schools, vacations, cars you could easily use up the ~$200k average he has made a year in the last 12 years on the bench. He is prohibited by law to work as a lawyer outside his job as an appeals court judge. That isn't even close to rich....

From: Grey Ghost
11-Jul-18
"Would you feel better if the appointee was a multi millionaire?"

Probably. All the rest are.

It's pretty simple really. The man lives in a $1.5 million home. To his credit, it's paid for, which is what I'd expect from a successful lawyer and appellate judge of his age. But, he has less than $50K in the bank, no stocks, bonds, or funds and no 401K. He has 2 daughters who presumably will want college educations, and he's only 10 years away from retirement age. That doesn't sound like a man who has made responsible decisions with his money to me. So, I question his judgment both personally and professionally in those areas.

Matt

From: bad karma
11-Jul-18
"I find it curious that Kavanaugh is reported to only have a net worth of less than $100,000 excluding his house. How does a 53 year old Yale law graduate, with no history of health or unemployment problems, and a working spouse, accumulate such a relatively paltry savings?"

I suspect those two daughters are also in private school. Appellate court justices don't make a fortune, particularly if you're living in a very expensive real estate area. Yes, they make good money, but not great beltway money. I'm not seeing that Kavanaugh was in private practice for a long period of time, either. It's not a surprise that he is missing a large investment portfolio.

From: Bowfreak
11-Jul-18
His wealth has absolutely zero to do with his ability to judge.

Also....he is not Scalia but he most definitely makes the court more conservative than it was. When one a lib seat comes open it will be game on and if the Republicans have an even larger majority in the Senate, which I fully expect, it will be a Scalia type which will be a donkey punch to the left for decades.

From: Bownarrow
11-Jul-18
1. Most of you Reality TV Republicans would not be able to identify a Conservative if you had to. 2. SB, what exactly is a strict Constitutionalist? Should your crazy liberal neighbor be able to possess a nuclear arm? The Constitution says "shall have the right to bare arms." I'm not in favor of that, are you? It's about what's socially acceptable and reasonable. And yes, the Constitution is interpreted by the Courts on many issues like the one I just cited to reflect a balance between what we think it says and means, and what we as a society consider reasonable.

From: longbeard
11-Jul-18
Ummm no Bown the constitution is not open to interpretation. It’s not fluid to fit the situation in front of you. It is to be applied as written

From: Grey Ghost
11-Jul-18
Well, IMO, living in an area his wages don't support, or sending his kids to schools he can't afford, are examples of financial irresponsibility . If I were in his financial shoes, I would have looked for a cheaper place to live and considered public schools for my kids

Perhaps he's a trust fund baby and doesn't have to worry about it, who knows. Like I said, it raised an eye-brow for me, but it's not a deal breaker.

Matt

From: HA/KS
11-Jul-18
GG, do you prefer the Bernie, clinton, and obama financial methods of becoming multi-millionaires without ever holding a real job?

Maybe the fact that he isn't rich tells us that he is an honest public servant who grew up without help of a silver spoon.

Is it possible that he values service over wealth accumulation?

From: canepole
11-Jul-18
Matt, I'm seeing why you raise the blood pressure of a few select here. :-) I can tell however I respond to you, you'll continue question Kavanaugh personal finances. It's a shame that a very respected family man who appears to be an excellent nomination for the SC would be judged on something most would consider insignificant. I'm glad you're not in DC for any confirmation hearings. Good luck, Gene

From: canepole
11-Jul-18
Thank you HA/KS!

From: TD
11-Jul-18
That article starts off mischaracterizing if not outright lying about Kavanaugh. IMO that blows the entire article out of the water.

In his DISSENTING opinion statement "He agreed with the Trump administration in a recent case that allowed an undocumented minor to obtain an abortion, writing in his dissent that the court created “a new right for unlawful immigrant minors in U.S. Government detention to obtain immediate abortion on demand.”"

Yes, the judgement went for the federally funded abortion of an illegal immigrant. But HIS position was a dissenting opinion.

From: HDE
11-Jul-18
Maybe he wants to teach his kids a valuable life lesson: there are no freebies in life and wants his kids to pay their own way through college.

Never knew there was a parent rule that you have to go into debt for your kids college education...

From: TD
11-Jul-18
"what we think it says and means, and what we as a society consider reasonable."

That is what the whole problem is with leftists. They don't care for rights nor laws but for the ones that they take from others and reserve for themselves.

Self serving and spoiled children.

From: HA/KS
11-Jul-18
In my freshman shop class we were taught to use a standard when measuring multiple copies of something. If you use each new piece to measure the next, you gradually get a result that is more and more wrong.

Leftists want to use each decision/idea as the basis for the next.

That is why they hate anyone who wants to use either the Bible or the Constitution as the standard for making decisions.

From: Grey Ghost
11-Jul-18
canepole,

Hope I didn't raise your blood pressure too much. You asked. I answered honestly.

Let's face it, financial success is a metric by which many influential people are measured. Our POTUS is perhaps the best example of that. Do you think Trump would have been elected without his many business and financial accomplishments? And don't you think that added to his credentials in some way?

Matt

From: canepole
11-Jul-18
Matt, do you? Seems during the presidential campaign he's wealth was brought the opposing team quite often in very negative ways. So no I don't believe it help him one bit with the Democrats and Liberals. On the other side of the coin with Hillary running, I honestly feel any Republican would have received the same number of votes. Just my 2 cents. Oh thanks for asking, but my bp is just fine (for the time being). Gene

From: Rocky
11-Jul-18
GG, You have effectively descended to a new low, previously thought not to be possible, to reveal your belief that a measure of a man's competence and intellect is conditional upon his pursuit and accumulation of finances. Your disbelief that the goal of most import in life is not the pursuit of true happiness but the monetary figure that would be attached to arrive to your convictions. Your statements have hermetically sealed and lay open your own fractured intelligence.

The Rock

From: NvaGvUp
11-Jul-18
Damn!

A Justice who rules based on written law and the Constitution!

What a shock!

But no shock at all that some here don't approve of that approach, knowing nothing at all about the case, the law which was in question, nor the details of the case.

They'd rather SCOTUS Justices base their decisions based upon politics and 'feelings' as long as it fits their feelings and aligns with their 'alleged' politics.

As long those Justices aren't on the left, that is. If they are on the left, then the rule of written law applies. If they aren't on the left, the rule of law does not apply.

No surprise here, what-so-ever!

From: HDE
11-Jul-18
I still wonder about J. Roberts conclusion that Congress can indeed impose a [penalty] tax for not buying a mandated product.

Was it really in line step with interpreting the law, or was there some implicit and emotional politics involved...?

From: NvaGvUp
11-Jul-18
So do I.

But other than that one decision, he's been a pretty good choice.

11-Jul-18
I firmly believe only conservatives should have nukes....

From: MT in MO
11-Jul-18

MT in MO's Link
Here's an article from Forbes that discusses the Obamacare mandate and how Kavanaugh and Roberts dealt with it.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kellyphillipserb/2018/07/10/supreme-court-nominee-brett-kavanaugh-penned-healthcare-dissent-focused-on-tax/#236ba9194d6c

From: AndyJ
11-Jul-18
“The supreme court is no place for an activist...left or right wing”

KPC- excellent quote

Spike- you don’t want Blind justice, you want someone to push a conservative agenda. Do you really think the Supreme Court will remain conservative forever?

From: Bowbender
11-Jul-18
Hey....whose da new kid?

Welcome back, Kyle.

From: Michael
11-Jul-18
Maybe Judge Kavanaugh doesn’t believe in banks and mutual funds. Maybe he has mason jars buried all over the back yard:)

If he rules on the constitution and how the law is written I say he is a win.

I still think there is a reason why Trump nominated him at this point in time. Either he felt he would get by a tight senate vote. Or if he don’t it will cause a change in some Red state democrat senators come Novembers vote. Then a more conservative judge will be nominated.

From: Grey Ghost
11-Jul-18
The Rock,

You're more of a hypocrite than I thought. We've seen you blather on about how Trump's financial accomplishments exceeds our wildest dreams many times. And how that somehow qualifies him for the most influential position in the world. Now, when someone uses that same standard on a SC nomination, suddenly it's a "new low, previously thought not to be possible.". You're pathetic, and I wouldn't hesitate to say that to your face in person.

Now run along little man. I have no use for people like you.

The Matt

From: AndyJ
11-Jul-18

AndyJ's Link
Here you go Matt.

From: Grey Ghost
11-Jul-18
Thanks Andy, while gambling is certainly a Spike-ish theory, I won't bite.

That said, the dude has had a long and successful career in one of the most lucrative professions in the US. And he's now nominated for the highest position in his profession. Wouldn't you think he'd have more to show for it at 53?

Matt

From: Grey Ghost
11-Jul-18
Hackbow,

Do you honestly think the framers of our Constitution had crystal balls into the future?

Matt

From: AndyJ
12-Jul-18
Spike, I think I sit right in the middle. If I had to identify with a group, after significant soul searching, I’d say I’m an Eisenhower republican. The left abandoned me, as did the right. I have very few shared beliefs or priorities with either of the current parties.

I could be wrong about you but I get the impression that you think the constitution is black and white. While in some cases it could be easily applied literally, many of the cases that arrive in the Supreme Court require that the Constitution be relatively abstractly applied to determine a verdict. You sound like you want a judge that is going to see the Constitution and how it applies definitively. I’m not sure how a judge can do that without being an activist or having an agenda.

From: Rocky
12-Jul-18
GG,

When I was a child I measured people and men by their height, but what did I know? You have persisted to reside in that same place and time in childhood and your idiotic remarks reflect that persistence. Your glaring educational shortcomings are in dire need of a severely neglected silverware's attention.

The Rock

From: AndyJ
12-Jul-18
Trax, I am a liberal to a conservative today and I am conservative to a liberal today. I question my own beliefs all the time and change and I am happy to change my opinion based on the current, most reliable information. I read news from many sources from the ny times to newsmax with an open mind. Do you ever challenge your personal beliefs? You are either lying to yourself or just ignorant if you don’t think the Republican Party has moved way right. Democrats certainly have moved WAY left. Read KPC’s post following yours. You are coming off as a zealot. For the record, I have read ALOT about Kavanaugh. Personally, I think he would do a good job as a Supreme Court Justice.

From: TD
12-Jul-18
"just ignorant if you don’t think the Republican Party has moved way right"

What issues have they moved "way right" on in the last 40-50 years? Nearly every position I can think of has moved left over that time. A correction from a leftist path and getting back to what one sees as the correct path is just that, a correction, not a "move way right". Just as actively opposing leftist/socialist designs on the country is not "moving way right".

What positions do you consider "way right" that conservatives (much less republicans) have moved to recently?

From: AndyJ
12-Jul-18
TD-your timeline is much too long. Parties can evolve and they can mutate. Evolution is more or less a natural and beneficial change that happens over a long period of time. I would say both parties have mutated and it started with the Clinton administration. It’s not so much that ideals have changed, it’s the intensity and animosity. Rational discussion was and has been thrown out the window and partisanship really seemed to have a more significant role starting with Bill Clinton. The Monica Lewinsky and lying under oath scandal took the “sink your opponent by any means necessary” game to a new level. From that point on parties went from colleagues across the isle to opponents. Republicans hated democrats for electing a scumbag and democrats hated republicans for effectively nullifying Clinton’s second term. Long story short, politics have become less and less about what’s right for the country and more about what’s right for the party. Honestly TD I don’t know how to answer your question without writing an essay. I guess If I had to answer in a few sentences it would be it’s not that policies have changed but they have become absolute. Compromise is unacceptable and social issues which, IMO don’t belong in politics in the first place, have taken on a much more significant role.

From: NvaGvUp
12-Jul-18
Hackbow, KPC,

I think you guys are on exactly the same page. You just express it differently.

I'd be comfortable with either one of you guarding my liberties and my God given rights.

That's refreshing, because so many of the self-proclaimed 'conservatives' here couldn't name five of the signers of the Declaration of Independence, have no idea who the primary authors of the Constitution were, and couldn't tell us five of the amendments of the Bill of Rights, let alone name even half of the other amendments.

Essentially, to paraphrase an old saying about a person's lack of knowledge, they couldn't spell the equivalant of The Declaration or the Constitution if you spotted them the C and the T.

But by God, they believe they are conservatives and how dare you challenge that!

From: AndyJ
12-Jul-18
Give me a break Spike. That was a tough and loaded question. You’re right though, if you want to see how America’s political parties have changed you’d really have to start at the beginning. A person could write 1000’s of pages on how politics have changed in the last 40 years.

From: bigeasygator
12-Jul-18
“One would be delusional to think the Framers left wiggle room in the Constitution for sanctioned murder of innocents.”

And yet abortion was legal (up until “quickening” - when a baby was felt to move) and widely practiced at the time the Framers wrote the Constitution and the first laws outlawing abortions weren’t passed 100 years until after the ratification of the Comstitution.

A textualist interpretation of the Constitution reveals nothing about abortion. Abortion isn’t mentioned in the Constitution. Scalia, one of the strictest Justices of our time, understood this when he said “The States may, if they wish, permit abortion on demand, but the Constitution does not require them to do so.” Goes to show there is plenty of room for Constitutional interpretation, even when taking a conservative approach.

From: NvaGvUp
12-Jul-18
BEG,

Do you realize you just agreed that there is no Constitutional right to abortion?

From: bigeasygator
12-Jul-18
I didn’t say I agree with Scalia. He would certainly say there is no Constitutional right to abortion. He would also say there is no Constitutional ban on abortion. He would say the Constitution is silent on abortion.

From: NvaGvUp
12-Jul-18
In other words, Roe v Wade was made up out of thin cloth. Even many liberal scholars agree with that.

This is a matter for the states to decide re. the Tenth Amendment, which states:

"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people."

For the hard of hearing, this means this is an issue for each state to decide, not for the federal government.

From: NvaGvUp
12-Jul-18
Trax,

No, it does not.

That's left for the states to decide, which they do.

From: Grey Ghost
12-Jul-18
"For the hard of hearing, this means this is an issue for each state to decide, not for the federal government."

Worth repeating. Thank you, Kyle.

Abortion isn't a Constitutional issue. It's a moral issue that the left and right have picked sides on.

Matt

From: TD
12-Jul-18
I cast my first vote some 44 years ago. On another thread someone posted how "far right the right has moved since Reagan" (less than 30 years ago) huh? In what world? Based on what? They never answered that question because they really don't know the answer.... again, what they have was a "feeling" it happened or is happening..... hear others who say it's happening. But have no factual basis that prove it. Many positions and issues being discussed today by republicans would get you slapped in the back of the head back then and told to quit such nonsense. Most DEMOCRATS back then were further right than most of today's republicans.

"Right" took a fairly hard left turn with "Compassionate Conservatism" and other such drivel several years ago. Many republicans became RINOs, democrat lite. That conservatives have turned away from such failure is moving back to their foundations, still a far cry from "far right". They have barely crossed back over the center line....

The right likes foundations. Using the same scale for all. Solid bases of facts and noting results of actions, good and bad. The left seems emotionally attached to fairyland dreams of what the world should be but no idea of the impossible task to make fantasy reality. They always run out of other people's stuff first.

The left see the right moving further right because they themselves move the entire center line to the left...... thus they become that feel good "centrist" with their mobile goal posts and temporary 50 yard lines.....

From: HA/KS
12-Jul-18
"Most DEMOCRATS back then were further right than most of today's republicans."

Yes

From: NvaGvUp
12-Jul-18
Trax.

WHUT?????

From: LINK
13-Jul-18
“Do you honestly think the framers of our Constitution had crystal balls into the future?”

From John Adams to his wife about Independence Day. “The Second Day of July 1776, will be the most memorable Epocha, in the History of America. I am apt to believe that it will be celebrated, by succeeding Generations, as the great anniversary Festival. It ought to be commemorated, as the Day of Deliverance by solemn Acts of Devotion to God Almighty. It ought to be solemnized with Pomp and Parade, with Shews, Games, Sports, Guns, Bells, Bonfires and Illuminations from one End of this Continent to the other from this Time forward forever more. You will think me transported with Enthusiasm but I am not. I am well aware of the Toil and Blood and Treasure, that it will cost Us to maintain this Declaration, and support and defend these States. Yet through all the Gloom I can see the Rays of ravishing Light and Glory. I can see that the End is more than worth all the Means. And that Posterity will tryumph in that Days Transaction, even altho We should rue it, which I trust in God We shall not. “

The founders were special men. Their knowledge and foresight seams almost prophetic.

From: Rocky
13-Jul-18
Link, A little research with eye popping clarity, which they indulged upon through crossed, blurred eyes daily, "special" would be the most appropriate word. By nights end they could not legibly utter their "special" elixir of choice, barely able to manage to point a finger to it. This crew with nothing else to do, hit it and hit it hard. This was well before the advent of discovery in medicine of alcohol and the effects of brain cell deterioration, but they gave it a shot.....well a multitude of "shots" to be truthful.

The Rock

14-Jul-18
Excellent post Hackbow!

From: Rocky
14-Jul-18
........despite the fact that many here on the right, whose foresight of certain disaster would be our lot, are now enjoying and reaping the rewards of a candidate that they vociferously, unabashedly and ferociously attacked.

Thank God?....Yes!... on bended knee, out stretched arms and the wails of mercy.

The Rock

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