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From: Bownarrow
13-Jul-18
Out of Washington: The Justice Department announced indictments in special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation of Russian interference in the 2016 election against 12 Russian nationals, accusing them of engaging in a "sustained effort" to hack Democrats' emails and computer networks.

All 12 defendants are members of the GRU, a Russian federation intelligence agency within the main intelligence directorate of the Russian military, who were acting in "their official capacities." DOJ says the hacking targeted Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign, Democratic National Committee and the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, with the intention to "release that information on the internet under the names DCLeaks and Guccifer 2.0 and through another entity." Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein said the indictment does not name any American citizen. "There is no allegation in this indictment that any American citizen committed a crime," he said at a news conference. "There is no allegation that the conspiracy altered the vote count or changed any election result." close dialog

The indictment was announced at almost exactly the moment that Trump rolled into the quadrangle of Windsor Castle to meet the awaiting Queen Elizabeth II in the symbolic highpoint of his visit to Britain. It also emerged two days before Trump is due to meet Russian President Vladimir Putin -- who has denied election meddling -- in Helsinki for a summit that includes a one-on-one meeting with only interpreters present. The unfolding drama on both sides of the Atlantic reflected how Trump's presidency has been overshadowed by the Mueller probe from its earliest moments and how the investigation frequently tramples the President's attempts to carve out favorable headlines. Prosecutors from Mueller's office and the Justice Department's National Security Division visited the courtroom of a federal magistrate judge in Washington at 11:30 a.m. ET to return the grand jury indictment, according to an itinerary posted outside the courtroom.

From: HA/KS
13-Jul-18
The obama administration knew about this at the time and chose to ignore it.

From: slade
13-Jul-18
Timing is everything............

The indictment was announced at almost exactly the moment that Trump rolled into the quadrangle of Windsor Castle to meet the awaiting Queen Elizabeth II in the symbolic highpoint of his visit to Britain. It also emerged two days before Trump is due to meet Russian President Vladimir Putin

From: Grey Ghost
13-Jul-18
So, by my count that's over 100 criminal charges on 32 people and 3 companies, including 12 members of the Russian military intelligence. 5 guilty pleas and 1 sentenced.

Yet, the only thing anyone here will want to talk is how it affects Trump, or not.

Matt

From: Michael
13-Jul-18
This case wouldn’t go anywhere whether the Russians were in the US or not. It’s hard to prove a hack when the server was never taken into custody by the government. Would a prosecutor really want to go to trial hanging onto that company 1 (crowdstrike) said the server was hacked?

If Trump is a target of the Mueller investigation, How could Rosenstein brief him about these indictments days ago?

From: tinecounter
13-Jul-18
Interesting timing of indictment, but note that NO U.S. citizen was indicted. No U.S citizen cooperation, conspiracy or collusion! Indictment should add to the conversation with Trump’s “competitor” and “not my enemy,” but I doubt Trump will seriously confront Putin about this indictment. He finds it much easier to “nail U.S. allies’ a**es to the wall” vs “competitors.”

From: Bowfreak
13-Jul-18
Matt,

How many elections do you think we have had since the cold war where the Russians meddled?

From: Grey Ghost
13-Jul-18
This investigation is into Russian election meddling, any connections between Russian meddling and Trump's campaign, AND any matters that may arise from the course of the investigation.

If there's no connection with the Trump campaign (which is yet to be confirmed or denied by Mueller) it doesn't mean the investigation was a worthless witch hunt. It seems clear the Russians were meddling, and it's looking like that meddling was coming from some of the highest levels of their government. That's a serious matter worth investigating, IMO, regardless of whether Trump's campaign was complicit, or not.

Matt

From: bigswivle
13-Jul-18
They still haven't found that big ass Russian who made me vote for trump. Looked like Ivan Drago with a gun

From: slade
13-Jul-18
""Rosenstein said that the Russians who had been indicted had used “spearphishing” to gain access to Democrats’ accounts. He did not mention any evidence gathered from the computer servers of the Democratic National Committee, which were never provided.""

From: Shuteye
13-Jul-18
Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein announced on Friday that Special Counsel Robert Mueller indicted 12 Russian intelligence officers for allegedly hacking emails from the Hillary Clinton campaign and Democratic National Committee during the 2016 presidential election.

According to BBC, Rosenstein said there was no evidence of any illegal actions by any American citizen nor were any votes changed as a result of the Russians alleged actions.

“There is no allegation in this indictment that any American citizen committed a crime,” Rosenstein said, adding that there is no evidence that the hacking helped President Donald Trump defeat Clinton.

From: Two Feathers
13-Jul-18
I thought Seth Rich hacked the DNC computers?

From: TD
13-Jul-18
Where did the thousands of Clinton emails go to???? You know, the "non=Russian" entities? How did those latest Russian indictments go? This whole mess is getting to be a very bad joke.....

Next indictments will be for Boris and Natasha....... Moose and Squirrel will be testifying shortly.....

From: JL
13-Jul-18
Me thinks if the Russians were able to hack what was claimed....they have Hil's 30K emails either from a single source or combined sources. One of the pundits on TV said these indictments will be used by Trump when he has a sit down with Vlad. Vlad probably can't admit he has them otherwise that will confirm the hacking. On the flip side...it's possible our govt already has the Hillary emails but can't disclose it while the investigation is ongoing. That could reveal sources and methods which is a no - no.

From: Brotsky
13-Jul-18
In other news, 5,718 Nigerian nationals were charged today with hacking into the servers of American citizens through phishing schemes. :YAWN:

From: slade
13-Jul-18
At least this time the brought indictments to Russian individuals who they know will not appear, they learned there lesson about indicting Russian companies who would fight them and prove they are full of shite of the highest order.

From: Michael
13-Jul-18

Michael's Link
This bit of info blows the whole “the Russians have hillaries emails” narrative out of the water.

From the link.

“The Intelligence Community Inspector General (ICIG) found an “anomaly on Hillary Clinton’s emails going through their private server, and when they had done the forensic analysis, they found that her emails, every single one except four, over 30,000, were going to an address that was not on the distribution list,” Republican Rep. Louie Gohmert of Texas said during a hearing with FBI official Peter Strzok.

“It was going to an unauthorized source that was a foreign entity unrelated to Russia,” he added.“

From: Grey Ghost
13-Jul-18
I can't believe some of you, who I respect, are shrugging this off as just common computer hacking. Did any of you actually listen to Rosenstein when he announced these newest indictments? This sounds like a well-funded, sophisticated, and coordinated effort to compromise our election from high-ranking Russian criminals acting within the US.

Here, I'll make it easy for you.

Matt

From: Shuteye
13-Jul-18
Why doesn't someone say that if Hillary Clinton had used a secure server they wouldn't have gotten hacked.

From: BC
13-Jul-18
Another deep state hit job. Takes news cycle off the FBI hack and attempts to torpedo Trumps meeting with Putin.

Won’t even leave a mark. The more they go after him, the better he gets.

From: Grey Ghost
13-Jul-18
So, that all makes it SOP and nothing to see here? Wow, I didn't expect that from you, KPC.

I'm not all surprised by the espionage. But I am surprised by your apathy about it.

Matt

From: sleepyhunter
13-Jul-18
Putin and Trump can discuss the matter when they meet in Finland.

13-Jul-18
“The obama administration knew about this at the time and chose to ignore it.”

Hahahahhaah.

Trump was told and HE ignored it. Or was complicit. Either way Obama and the intelligence agencies briefed him on it. That’s the fact.

13-Jul-18
There is no longer speculation that Russia interfered. If trump was the leader he claims to be he will simply state, matter of factly, “We Know what you did and what your military did, knock it off or face consequences”. “And while you’re at it, leave Crimea by Monday or else”. Then leave.

Will trump do that? Of course not.

If trump is serious about being an alpha president he needs to demand that every Russian who's been indicted needs extradited immediately and testify under oath as they face charges.

Again, he won’t do that. Why?

From: HA/KS
13-Jul-18
The difference this time is that normally a few diplomats are sent home and both sides complain. Now, somebody wants to make political hay against trump, so they bring charges just before he is to meet with the KGB agent putin.

From: Michael
13-Jul-18
After watching Rosenstein’s press conference. All this is 13 Russian companies indicted 2.0. Same charges. Except this time it’s individuals.

From: itshot
13-Jul-18
gg, potent stuff found there.........i mean she had this thing wrapped up, like 80/20 day of? i sure hope they find out how they threw the election in the last days, i'm hoping it wasn't all due to trip & fall videos

yfp, great stuff from you as well, as always, love it

thanks to the op for such a well written post, you should consider writing for the ap or something, or maybe they could just copy your stuff

hillary had it won,12 russians took it and gave it away, damn them....it all makes scents now, impeach the orange gandhi

From: Thumper
13-Jul-18
Rosenstein’s timing to push his never Trump political agenda, I'm sure Trump was not given a heads up too.

Just what did the Russians do other than to gather and print the truth. No lies, just the real facts that exposed Hillary's lies. If this did effect the vote turn out to swing the vote over to Trump, this country owes Russia a debt of thanks.

From: TD
13-Jul-18
All this stuff started shortly after Algore invented the internet. If anyone thinks we aren't doing the same thing, maybe worse..... everywhere, to everybody..... need to take off the Polly Ann Putz panties......

"The name is Bond....... Boris Bond....."

From: DL
13-Jul-18
Donna Brazil knows what went on. She had even said she feared for her life. Left instructions with someone what to do if she mysteriously died.

From: HeadHunter®
14-Jul-18
It's All A Bad Joke! ..... and no one talks about us, America, doing the very same thing to other countries. America Intel Agencies have hundreds of 'nerds' sniffing & watching and trying to 'hack' other countries systems. .... It's all 'a game' ..... other countries do it, so "we" also have to do it to protect America ..... Politics makes me very ill! But in this time in history with cyber technology (the deep dark web) America has to do better than our foes!

14-Jul-18
Maybe Obama hated HRC so much that he ignored the reports that Russia was trying to help DJT win.

From: TD
14-Jul-18

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From: slade
14-Jul-18
""U.S. Special Counsel Robert Mueller has spent untold millions investigating Russia, President Trump and all things Trump but his latest indictments of 12 alleged Russian operatives lifts language and content from the pending lawsuit of a humble YouTube journalist.

George Webb sued John Podesta in 2017, along with other elected and public officials including Justice Department personnel but today, exact language, accusations and content from Webb’s suit appeared in the Justice Department’s indictment. Beyond strange.

Mueller swiped Webb’s hacking allegations against Imran Awan and simply flipped them — almost word for word — and made the exact allegations against Russian operatives.

How did the exact wording and language from Webb’s civil lawsuit filed in U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia appear in Mueller’s big criminal Russian indictment?

Is the Special Counsel cutting corners now and simply stealing content from other lawsuits? Even a suit against DOJ personnel? Where is all the money going to then?

This is far from a coincidence, based on an analysis of the two court filings. Who on Mueller’s team plagiarized Webb’s legal filing and tried to mask it as “new” and “breaking” revelations? Seems like a rushed job for sure.

This is a legal sham, complete with Rod Rosenstein’s impromptu press conference on Friday announcing the indictments.

When was Mueller’s new indictments drafted, during Thursday’s House testimony of FBI Agent Peter Strzok? Why would you need to steal content for Russian indictments if your case was well researched and legitimate?

Some slick sleuthing from Twitter investigator @myhtopoeic pinpointed the plagiarism, a practice likewise considered taboo in legal circles — not only the literary arena.

Mueller’s “new” indictment seems to mirror the majority of Webb’s civil suit in theme, wording and allegations. Here is one glaring example""

From: slade
14-Jul-18

slade's Link
Rosenstein Found It Necessary to Interrupt Trump’s Foreign Trip with Info That WAS ALL RELEASED in Previous April House Intel Report

From: bigeasygator
14-Jul-18
I’m confused...I thought the email hacking was an inside job and that’s why MS-13 was hired to kill Seth Rich???

From: slade
14-Jul-18
Confused?, tell us something new for a change.

From: slade
14-Jul-18
""The Mueller witch hunt is reaching new heights. With the 12 Russians indicted today, the corrupt Mueller team has now indicted 31 individuals and 3 companies, with more than 80% of the indictments related to Russians who we really don’t even know if they are real or whether they did anything to interfere in our 2016 election. These indictments today only diminish the validity of the ‘witch hunt’ by adding more ‘fake indictments’ to the already pitiful list. ""

From: Bentstick81
14-Jul-18
8^)

14-Jul-18
1) trump was told of the indictments well in advance of his Putin meeting. If he was wise he’d cancel the meeting upon this new knowledge that CONFIRMS Russian interference.

2). Obama ordered Comey and FBI to launch a full scale investigation into Russian interference. Trump fired Comey and calls the investigation a witch hunt. So don’t say Obama did nothing.

3). America was attacked and this is NOT a partisan issue yet TreasonousTrump continues to politicize it since it causes more division and lets him get away with all the proPutin moves.

4). We all know Putin is trump’s boss. I guarantee that he will meet with putin alone and we will never know what was said. trump is getting his orders from Putin for the midterms. We all know this. Except trump’s base. (That’s you,by the way) Who believe everything he keeps repeating. All while wagging your heads and snorting to yourselves about how the libs are all upset. Damn right we’re upset. Our glorious nation was attacked and this president is doing NOTHING except cowtowing to a murderous dictator.

From: Bentstick81
14-Jul-18
But Slade. One thing about it, mueller doesn't mind wasting the tax payers money, on this witch hunt.

From: Annony Mouse
14-Jul-18
"DOJ/Mueller release their indictments against 12 Russians outside the jurisdiction of the US. Rosenstein announces no American was involved. […]"

DOJ/Mueller release their indictments against 12 Russians outside the jurisdiction of the US.

Rosenstein announces no American was involved.

Mueller will probably never have to prove his case in court....

continued at link

From: Annony Mouse
14-Jul-18
From: HA/KS
14-Jul-18
Hope one comes to the US, turns himself in, and hires lawyers who demand documentation of the information that led to the indictment.

From: bb
14-Jul-18
12 Russians indicted....Well that's a relief, I'm going to sleep well tonight.

From: HA/KS
14-Jul-18
If Putin really wanted to help trump, he would send them home with him after the summit. Trump would be a hero and the leftists would be left holding the bag on indictments that are most likely not prosecutable and if they are would result in a slap on the wrist fine.

From: DL
15-Jul-18
I wonder how many yes of millions this has cost so far? Now the fake news is bringing up colussion because when trump asked Russia for Hillary’s 30,000 deleted Emails they appeared the next day. They still are ignoring Clintons illegal activity. I don’t care who got them or how hey got them. We should be thankful they were exposed. People also are ignoring what Obama did collecting Unauthorized information in private citizens.

From: DL
15-Jul-18
Everyone has them except he Obama administration.

15-Jul-18
1). On 7/26/16, Trump publicly asked Russia to hack Hillary’s emails, and they tried to do so that same day. Imagine if he’d said, “Hey, Russia, sprinkle nerve agent around the Dem Convention." Both ask for an attack upon our country. Both encourage crimes. Both have consequences.

2). Cyber war is war. That's why the US Army has a Cyber Command.

3). Trump declaring "the European Union is a foe." This is another reality. These have been the nations that fought alongside us for decades, that coordinated sanctions with us against Russia and that are our biggest trade partners. But unlike Russia, not funneling $ to Trump Organization for years. This is exactly what Putin wants. Fractured allies. Trump gave it to him in advance of their meeting.

From: bad karma
15-Jul-18

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Funny, the Obama admin told folks to stand down on Russian cyberattacks in 2016.

15-Jul-18
These words have never been said by trump.

1) America is under attack from Russia 2) I took an oath to defend the United States of America so Here’s what I’m doing to stop these attacks and keep you - and our Homeland - safe:

Why? _______________

From: Bentstick81
15-Jul-18
The dems are worried about cyber attacks, and Russia, but will allow ILLEGALS to cross the border, into the US, every day. Thank goodness we now have a POTUS that really cares about keeping us citizens safe.

From: Rocky
15-Jul-18
Breaking News: 6223 Russian Operatives will be indicted by Mueller for meddling in American elections dating as far back as the Reagan Administration and the new administrations in 2020-2024-2028 etc. etc. etc. .....See what a good job we are doing protecting the American people pissing away their money in the interim.

OK Bob we get it and believe you. The Russians hacked into our systems. Now why continue to beat a dead horse for something that is water under the bridge that you have discovered multiple times, and, can't do one legal thing about? You need a new boat?

The Rock

15-Jul-18

Meanwhile, back in the real world . . . Obama did do something. He launched an investigation into Russian meddling. It was headed by James Comey. Remember him? You fired him to stop the investigation into Russia meddling because it would lead back to trump and the gop.

Things Obama did:

-Imposed Sanctions -Launched an Investigation -Prepared a Bipartisan Statement that McConnell refused to make public. -Expelled dozens of Russian Diplomats -Seized Property belonging to Russians.

Things Trump & GOP did:

-Stalled on Sanctions -Obstructed the Investigations -Suppressed the Statement -Placated Putin

Did I miss anything?

15-Jul-18
Did I miss anything?

Yes!

From: Bentstick81
15-Jul-18
8^)

15-Jul-18
Those points are irrefutable. As much as you say Obama did nothing, the fact remains, it’s currently happening on trumps watch. And what’s he doing about it? Having a cozy sit down w the guy that owns him. Wonderful leader huh?

From: Annony Mouse
15-Jul-18

15-Jul-18
PS: Trump also let the Russians into the Whitehouse without any American press, want to blame Obama for that too?

Don’t forget he also passed some classified information onto the Russians in his private meeting in the Oval Office-can’t blame Obama for that. Can you?

And please don’t forget about the GOP going to Russia on the 4th of July- how very very patriotic!

At some point the man-baby is going to have to take some responsibility for his own administration. Wonder when that’ll be.

15-Jul-18
Yes, I forgot how tough Obama was to Putin after he was re-elected. I remember how Obama put the fear in Putin telling him how things would be different after the election.

In fact, Obama rallied the world and kicked the Russians out of Crimea and was really tough at Benghazi. I know I missed a lot, like a commercial jet being shot down...

15-Jul-18

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From: slade
15-Jul-18

16-Jul-18
This is a lie. The facts show that when Obama was informed by the FBI about Russian meddling, he took steps to stop it.

When Trump was informed by the FBI about Russian meddling, the record shows he did nothing to stop it.

1). Obama instructed Homeland Security to protect voting-related systems from cyber intrusions.

Trump suggested forming a Cyber Security unit with Putin. this is like asking a bank robber to install the alarms at the bank.

2). Intelligence agency leaders informed leaders in Congress of Russian meddling. Obama wanted to issue a bipartisan statement specifically calling out Russia.

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell questioned those conclusions and refused to join in publicly condemning Russia.

3). This is Obama confronting Vladimir Putin on the G20 Leaders Summit in Hangzhou on September 5, 2016. Obama personally confronted Russian President Vladimir Putin and told him to back off.

Trump said he believed Putin when he said ‘I didn’t do that’.

4). The Obama administration publicly identified Russia as being behind election-related hacks, issuing a joint statement from Homeland Security and the Director of National Intelligence.

Trump denied Russian meddling and called it a hoax.

5). Obama ordered 35 Russian diplomats and intelligence agents to leave the United States, closed two Russian compounds and imposed sanctions on Russian individuals and organizations.

Trump consistently weakened and delayed any sanctions on Russia.

The question is: Why is Trump so loud in blaming U.S. leaders for the attack carried out by Russia, while being silent with any criticism of Putin?

Can you answer why?

The above are indisputable. They are factual and cannot be changed because it happened. Find one of the above to false. You can’t.

Trump is selling out our nation. You cheer him on. Shame on you.

16-Jul-18
“We are witnessing something surprising, something that even the Soviet Union was not able to accomplish: Divide the U.S. and Western Europe. It didn’t work then, but it seems to be working with Mr. Trump now.” ~quote from Russia state TV This morning.

Trump is giving Putin everything he desires in this world. If this isn’t proof, you are blind.

From: bb
16-Jul-18
Seems the DNC was repeatedly warned by the FBI of hacking, offered to remedy the issue, They (DNC) did nothing to protect themselves. Seems to me they were complicit in providing information to the Russians. Yeah Obama took steps to stop the Russians Hacking...He told them to cut it out. That scared 'em. The key here is it all happened on Obamas watch and the DNC ignored the FBI's offer to secure their servers. Could it be they didn't want anyone to know about Hillarys unsecured personal server?

16-Jul-18
A bad economy happened on GW Bush administration. Was Obama supposed to sit back and let it continue? No matter what happened on Obama’s watch (as misinformed as it may be) Trump swore to defend the US and he’s not doing it. Cyber warfare is happening. It’s on a scale not seen before. And what’s he doing? Shaking hands w the man that’s orchestrsting the demise of the EU AND the US. Trump has an opportunity to show strength, I stead he’s bowing. Bigly.

16-Jul-18
A quote from Russian TV...that right there is funny and shows you have been completely duped.

I think we will believe the guy in the article I linked over you, LOL.

16-Jul-18
Actually we have film of a president bowing, and it isn't Trump. Guess who?

From: bad karma
16-Jul-18

bad karma's Link
Even the NY times has to admit that Trump got what Obama wanted out of NATO.....

And signed a strong statement against Russia.

The make-up-facts-that-fit-our-narrative left is imploding.

From: bb
16-Jul-18
Cyber warefare has been happening on a scale never seen before? Really? How would you know? Could it be that the media is just now taking more of an interest in reporting it to death? Obama enabled much of what this administration is tasked with cleaning up.

From: Shuteye
16-Jul-18
I just saw Putin on TV and he said the first twelve indictments against Russians were nothing. He said Russia hired American lawyers and they have proved the indictments were made up out of thin air. He is right Mueller screwed that up big time and Putin says he will look into the latest indictment and respond. He has offered to have his computer experts work with our experts to find out about Hillary's missing e mail.

From: elkmtngear
16-Jul-18
“Nothing would be easier politically than to refuse to meet, to refuse to engage, but that would not accomplish anything. As President, I cannot make decisions on foreign policy in a futile effort to appease partisan critics, or the media, or Democrats who want to do nothing but resist and obstruct... I would rather take a political risk in pursuit of peace, than to risk peace in pursuit of politics." D.J. Trump, 07/16/2018

From: slade
16-Jul-18

16-Jul-18
nice deflection except the current president is the focus here. He just sided with Putin. and Once again: - Russia annexed Crimea

- Invaded & still occupies E. Ukraine

- Used nerve agent to murder in UK

- Murders & jails dissidents, journalists & opposition leaders

- Backs Assad & targets civilians in Syria

- Meddled in 2016 election & laying groundwork for 2018/2020

This moron, puppet, coward sided with Putin over our own intelligence agencies! On a world stage!! BASED ON NOTHING MORE THAN PUTIN’S WORD! Why?? Can ANYONE answer that?? What the hell is happening. Politics aside, this is 100% un-American. Where are you GOP????

From: TD
17-Jul-18

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Andrew McCarthy lays it all out. Special Prosecutor was 100% unnecessary to take this step..... 100% unnecessary. ALL the information "revealed" in the indictments.... ALL OF IT.... was known by the FBI and AG in.....2016 and prior. All of it, Special Prosecutor uncovered none of it. And they did nothing. In all honesty and reality..... it's been the way the game has been played for decades. But they thought as a last resort against Trump.... they had an "insurance policy". Verbatim. As per email. Fact.

What this is, is 100% CYA of the entire Special Prosecutor operation. Every single bit of information "uncovered" thus far was known prior, much of it FAR prior, decades. NEVER FORGET..... this whole thing was not initiated by suspicion of Russian "interference" in the election...... so far all "indictments" involved known information prior. And NONE OF IT REQUIRES A SPECIAL PROSECUTOR..... like the FBI or AG office needs one to investigate crime or espionage.

The Special Prosecutor investigation was 100% initiated by FIRING COMEY. Deep state circling the wagons. Circling them to protect their own investigations, institutions and people, and because they knew they had NOTHING on Trump..... but they wanted to soooooo bad....

When it all shakes down..... Upper echelon in the FBI.... AG office.... deep state players every one..... all are going down in an embarrassing methane flame as they are dragged out into the bright daylight..... they are busting into flame as we watch.... deeply damaging and forever scaring the institutions they claim to fight for. Great job guys....

PutZ is right at home.... methane, like a moth to flame.......

From: Annony Mouse
17-Jul-18
When one filters all the TDS type news through a filter of a politicized DOJ, FBI, IRS, and other government agencies' upper level management, it is hard for a rational person to go completely hysterical like the media, Democrats, #neverTrumpist GoP and the likes of educational indoctrinists who post here.

Very interesting article, DL.

17-Jul-18
Deflect, dodge, duck. But you can’t get away from the trump stink. It’s on you now and forever and history will determine how much he’s damaged this great nation. Private meetings w dictators? Bowing to Putin over our intelligence?

Disgraceful.

Remember Nikita Krushchev? : "We will take America without firing a shot. We do not have to invade the US. We will destroy you from within". How telling.

From: scentman
17-Jul-18
Paul your delusional, quit watching Volf man Blitzkrieg!

From: scentman
17-Jul-18
where are the servers??? what proof do have if you don't have the servers.

From: Annony Mouse
17-Jul-18
From AOS:

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Good morning kids. Tuesday and leading the news is the utterly infantile, irresponsible, completely ginned-up outrage at the President for his summit with Russian President Vladimir Putin and his remarks during the press conference. Let me, as a marginally better informed ordinary observer, try and unpack this as best as I can. Excluding the period of 1941-1945, Russia has been at best a geopolitical rival and at worst an adversarial enemy for almost 100 years (longer if you include the 19th Century imperialists who wanted not only not to sell Alaska to us but envisioned Tsarist expansion into Western Canada and down our Pacific Coast). For nearly 100 years (coincidentally it's the 100th anniversary of the Bolsheviks murdering the Romanovs [last link]), they have been interfering in our internal affairs in an attempt to destabilize us, and foment a communist revolution here at home. Ironic that despite the Soviet collapse in 1991, every major governmental, cultural, academic and media institution has been thoroughly corrupted by socialists and communists to the extent that our youth and too many old enough to know better (or not) have an open, visceral and sometimes violent hatred of their country and fellow citizens. But I digress.

And this brings me back to yesterday's spectacle. The President, as the duly elected commander in chief and head of state has every right and even duty to meet with other foreign leaders, friend and foe alike, in the advancement of our policy, defense of the realm and in the interest of promoting friendly relations. Vladimir Putin is a thug; an ex-KGB agent who views the fall of the old Soviet Union as a catastrophe. As such, he and his allies rule over Russia with an iron fist and will actively strike out at enemies at home and abroad (assassination and invasion included), threatening his neighbors in Eastern Europe and elsewhere and giving aid and comfort to our enemies in the Middle East, especially Iran. That said, despite being essentially a 2nd World Power, he still has nukes, probably aimed at us and therefore you have to deal with him. Hence the summit.

But now, put this all in context with the 2016 presidential campaign, and the fabrication by Clinton/Obama campaign operatives of a phony smear campaign involving Russia and then-candidate Trump and that's why you got what happened in Helsinki yesterday. Circling back, does Russia/did Russia try and meddle in our politics? Yes. Did whatever they did have any affect at all on our election? No. In spite of all this, is there still an ongoing investigation by the DoJ and Robert Mueller ostensibly into all of this? Yes. Is the President, his allies, associates and even family members the targets of this investigation? Yes. Is it legitimate? No.

Everything over the past 18 months to two years has had one purpose and one purpose only: ensure the election of Hillary Clinton and then destroy the campaign and then presidency of Donald Trump. The Mueller witch hunt, which the President rightly called out as such, despite any lack of real evidence to prove that PDT colluded with the Russians to steal the election continues to be the ongoing theme of an increasingly desperate and rabidly insane Democrat-Left-Media complex and their allies in the GOP/Cuckservative wing of their movement. So naturally, when the President openly has a summit with Vladimir Putin, the reaction to it was predictable if not still surprising in its level of unhinged rhetoric.

They have failed on gun control, immigration/amnesty, judicial nominees, tax and economic policy, they're losing control of voting blocs they've enslaved for decades and worst of all, they have lost the ability to control what we think and have exposed themselves as they hacks and propagandists they are to a much broader, heretofore unaware/uninformed audience. And this failure is the work of the man to who is now the focus of their hatred: President Donald J. Trump.

Yes Russia is and was an enemy, yet the Democrat-Media-Academia complex was in bed with them since at least the end of World War 2 as willing allies in an attempt to overthrow the nation as founded, and at the risk of repeating myself, considering the state of our union they almost succeeded, albeit about 30 years too late. So it's particularly galling when the Left dons the decomposed skin suit of Tailgunner Joe McCarthy to shriek "Russia! Russia! Russia!" at us non-stop since November of 2016. And yet Obama was hot and horny to destroy our nuclear deterrent in 2012 and Hillary Clinton engineered the sale of a significant portion of our uranium stockpile to Putin and his cronies in exchange for $400 million in booze money. Related, Daniel Greenfield has an interesting take on the hacking of the DNC vis a vis Bernie Sanders, that great Yankee-Doodle-Dandy flag-waving proud American (not). Yes, Trump is a nemesis but for yesterday's unforgivable sin of exposing the Democrat-Media's complicity in this Russia collusion myth, and the ignoring of the real election shenanigans committed by the Democrats (can you saw Debbie-Wasserman Awan?), they don't care if America is ripped apart (hell that's their goal) so long as Trump is destroyed.

Schmucks like Steve Cohen, Chris Cuomo and John Brennan - the REAL traitor and perhaps the one who has been leading the coup against the President - who shout "treason," and "act of war" are playing with fire. They are actively undermining our foreign policy from their positions (undeserved as they are) of power and influence, and stoking the potential for violence at home as well as confrontation abroad. Thankfully, Putin knows that they are a collective joke. He all but openly busted a gut at that AP reporter yesterday who asked if he had dirt on PDT. Still, this is hardly a matter for levity.

My gut tells me that barring anything unforeseen (and I've had that caveat now for 18 months or more) the Dems are going to lose in November and lose big. How will the average mind-numbed droog react? Considering that the standard operating procedure of the Democrat-Left is to now cast aspersions on every electoral or judicial loss as "collusion" or "theft" or "illegitimate," there can only be one avenue left to them, and that is violence. Vermin like Steve Cohen ought to realize this. Hell, I'm getting the very uneasy feeling that they do. All too well.

From: Annony Mouse
17-Jul-18
Jeff...sorry, but here's another:

Why the f**k should Trump trust the assessment of the IC heads who wanted to take him down? Give me a reason

Long article that is value added content (internal links/summaries of revealed facts, etc.)

Concludes:

"...Andy McCarthy points out that Rod Rosenstein screwed the pooch with the indictments of the Russians:

What there will be, though, is a new international order in which nation-states are encouraged to file criminal charges against each other’s officials for actions deemed to be provocative (or, more accurately, actions that can be exploited for domestic political purposes). Of all government officials in the world, American officials are the most active on the global stage — and that includes meddling in other countries’ elections. I doubt our diplomats, intelligence operatives, elected officials, and citizens will much like living in the world Robert Mueller and Rod Rosenstein have given us. If the idea was to give Vladimir Putin and his thug regime a new way to sabotage the United States, nice work.

All day I have watched the screeching anguish of liberals moaning that Trump does not side with the American intelligence community.

Why should he?

Brennan hated and hates Trump.

Comey hated and hates Trump.

Strzok rigged investigations against Trump

McCabe did the same

Clapper hated and hates Trump

All US intelligence agencies were out to take Trump down. Someone tell me why, when every intel agency outside the NSA was out to get Trump that he should trust them and the assessment of a firm hired by the DNC? Why should he trust the assessment of those who created a fake dossier?

If not for Mike Rogers, they would have framed Trump long ago.

What Trump has done is throw done the gauntlet. You say it’s Russians?

PROVE IT.

Produce the servers and let the FBI examine them. CrowdStrike had “no hard evidence” and their findings weren’t solid.

The left is making some serious accusations. PROVE THEM, you gutless cowards."

From: TD
18-Jul-18
Game.... set.... match....

Leftists are burning their last candle at both ends. The truth and FACTS have lit them..... Overreach (called outside the realm of reality) comes to mind. Anyone with any semblance of logic and proportion are just shaking their head at the media reaction (and leftists hooked arm and arm with my former "conservative" nevertrumpers) It is off the charts overreaction. One needs to look at the FACTS of what Trump has done dealing with the Russians. Not to mention slapping Germany for dealing with them WRT their oil/gas pipelines. THAT is actual action vs yadda yadda yadda... and promising the very next morning (prior to the manufactured outrage) to put in our OWN energy pipeline to Europe in direct opposition to Russian energy.

Good grief..... the stupid is strong with those lying bastages.......

From: scentman
18-Jul-18
As i have said before and Levin agrees... bunch of psychopaths with visions of grandeur of how their world should be. Sad thing is most are in powerful positions... like that turd on Tucker last night who wants Trump impeached for obstruction.

From: Michael
18-Jul-18
The sad thing about Mueller indicting the 12 Russians. Everything in the indictments was in the house report that was released in the spring. Everything in the indictments the house was aware of over a year ago. Why did Mueller wait this long to bring the indictments? Why did Mueller leave out the parts how the Russians went after the Republican Party as well? Mueller only mentions the Democrat Party.

From: Annony Mouse
18-Jul-18

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July 18, 2018

Reminder: The Russians Targeted Republicans, GOP, and Trump Himself In Their Spearfishing and Hacking Schemes, Too —Ace of Spades

The media and the sillies don't like admitting this, and Mueller doesn't draw much attention to it himself in his indictment. But he does mention it on page 13.

Don't expect to see this on CNN.

Russian meddling in the 2016 presidential election wasn't as one-sided as Special Counsel Robert Mueller charges in his latest indictment.

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"RNC emails were stolen through the same spearphishing scams used against Democrats," a senior U.S. intelligence official familiar with the investigation told RealClearInvestigations. "In fact, prominent Republicans were targeted and similarly victimized by the disclosure of sensitive emails during the campaign."

The indictment acknowledges this on page 13: "The Conspirators also released documents they had stolen in other spearphishing operations, including those they had conducted in 2015 that collected emails from individuals affiliated with the Republican Party."

But that is the only mention of Russian attacks against Republicans in the 29-page indictment that focuses on the targeting and victimization of key Democrats...

In fact, U.S. intelligence officials say the attackers penetrated GOP organizations at both the national and state levels, as well as the individual level, and successfully "exfiltrate" Republican emails during the 2016 election cycle. They add that Trump officials themselves were targeted by Russian intelligence late in 2016, often by phishing schemes, in which fraudulent emails seemingly from trusted sources (e.g. the government, banks or Google) are sent to gain access to personal information.

Mueller's office would not say whether the criminal breaches of GOP organizations carried out by the same bad Russian actors were investigated by his team with the same level of forensic analysis and scrutiny as the Democrat-related cybercrimes.

"We'll decline to comment beyond the indictment," Special Counsel's Office spokesman Peter Carr said.

Yeah, I'll bet you decline to comment.

Read the whole thing.

From: Annony Mouse
18-Jul-18
Mr. President, Declassify Documents on Russia Collusion Now

American Spectator: Political harassers need to be exposed for what they are.

From: Annony Mouse
19-Jul-18

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