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From: JL
18-Jul-18
....but it's not what the Libs want to hear. IMO this is more evidence of the fractures with in the Dem party. I'll predict as the Dem party keeps moving to the extreme left, you will see moderate Dems switch over to Repub. Joe Manchin comes to mind.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/07/18/george-soros-calls-obama-greatest-disappointment-says-doesnt-particularly-want-to-be-democrat.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+foxnews%2Fpolitics+%28Internal+-+Politics+-+Text%29

George Soros calls Obama 'greatest disappointment,' says he doesn't 'particularly want to be a Democrat'

New York billionaire George Soros said former President Barack Obama was his “greatest disappointment,” during a wide-ranging interview with the New York Times published on Tuesday, while also appearing to distance himself from partisan politics.

The wealthy liberal donor, who was an early supporter of Obama’s 2008 presidential run, told The Times that Obama was “actually my greatest disappointment,” before he was reportedly prompted by an aide to clarify that he was dissatisfied on a “professional level,” rather than with his presidency.

At another part of the interview, he told the paper that Obama "closed the door" on him after he secured the presidency.

“He made one phone call thanking me for my support, which was meant to last for five minutes, and I engaged him, and he had to spend another three minutes with me, so I dragged it out to eight minutes,” he said.

Soros told the paper the he had hoped to have been consulted on economic and financial issues, and that Obama was known “take his supporters for granted and to woo his opponents.”

Soros, who also poured millions of dollars into Hillary Clinton’s 2016 presidential run, wouldn’t say if he would back Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt. in the upcoming presidential election, but said when it comes to politics, “I don’t particularly want to be a Democrat.”

While speaking with the Times, Soros praised Arizona Senator John McCain and said the main priority of his political activism was to promote bipartisanship – noting that Republicans on the far-right led him to become one of the top funders for the Democratic Party.

But as Democrats set their eyes on November and the midterm election push to regain control of the House of Representatives, the long-term goal of ensuring a Democrat resides in the Oval Office in 2020 remains the party’s glaring concern – as well as where Soros will lend his financial support.

Soros expressed displeasure with Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand, D-N.Y., for over her use of the #MeToo movement that led to the removal of Al Franken from Congress.

“She was using #MeToo to promote herself,” he told the paper.

Although Gillibrand, nor her aides have confirmed or denied that she is going to make a presidential run, there are reports of extensive fundraising as well as her outreach to young people and communities of color that play well with one of the most serious anti-Trump voting records in the Senate.

Soros has contributed upwards of $15 million to support Democrats in the midterm elections, and told the paper for every Trump support "there is more than one Trump enemy who will be more intent, more determined.

When asked about where he views his political ideology, Soros told the Times “I’m opposed to the extreme left,” he said. “It should stop trying to keep up with the extremists on the right.”

From: Annony Mouse
18-Jul-18

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From: JL
18-Jul-18
Judicial Watch does a good job rooting out the slimy actions Prez Obama and his Admin were involved with.

From: Trax
18-Jul-18
Interesting. I would like to know how Soros would define extreme left and extreme right. Liberals have a distorted view of both at times, their masters have tried hard for years to re-define both. Soros is disappointed in his boy king because of his failure to feign enough success to usher in the next round, led by Hilda and the Clinton cabal. after 4 years of Pelosi/Reid, 8 years of Obama, and 8 years of Hilda the stage would have been completely set for the new order. Soros knows he would have never lived to see it, but wanted to see that progression. His minions would have carried on his legacy. President Trump has set them back decades and maybe more....

18-Jul-18
well, we have one thing in common....I also despise the extreme left, err I mean the socialists.....

From: Trax
18-Jul-18
I ask because I see it all the time. I know a Prof who is out there to the left of Pluto. I mean he is gone. He claims to be a centrist, a moderate. He claims he has debates all the time with other Prof's and he is the "conservative", they are all far to the left of him. His distorted view makes him a centrist in his mind because he's comparing himself to these other indoctrinated leftist elitist sheep. He's not comparing himself to the general population. He is a self anointed socialist, a radical liberal, yet proudly proclaims to be centrist. This is becoming typical. The leftists demand the Republican Party continue moving to the left. That way they have their Socialist Democratic Party and in the event they lose a radically liberal Republican party. It's not that they don't see the forest for the trees, there is no forest.

From: JL
18-Jul-18
There are those who claim to be Conservative but support gay rights or abortion, legalizing dope or some variation of femi-naziism. Are those litmus tests for being Conservative?

18-Jul-18
no. they are not.....those are litmus tests for being extremely in the minority conservative.

18-Jul-18
I had that same question, Trax. He probably isnt fond of Democrats because they still are not tyrranical dictators, yet.

18-Jul-18
JL, perhaps a litmus test for being socially conservative, yes. Ron Paul along with many other Libertarians don't necessarily agree with some or all of the things you mentioned, but they don't believe it's anyone's right to tell other people how to live their lives and many feel that that is more "conservative," than the view that the core of social conservatives take in this country today. Many people feel that makes them "liberal" because their views align with social liberals, albeit for different reasons.

I believe there is such thing as being "socially" conservative and liberal and then "fiscally" conservative and liberal and that the two are mutually exclusive. People who are socially AND fiscally conservative might think otherwise, but there's not a lot of people who feel exactly the same about every single thing there is to have an opinion on in this world; so who really is liberal and conservative and who are the extremists on both sides?

I've seen a person who was pretty socially liberal get called a liberal by people who were socially conservative but pretty much a hair's breath from being socialists while the person being called a liberal was very fiscally conservative. I've met a lot of people who would vote Democrat if it weren't for their religious faith. I also know a guy who is pretty damn fiscally conservative, but votes Democrat because he's an atheist and doesn't like conservative Christian's politics.

Even Bill O'Reilly pointed out that the gay rights movement had the compelling case for liberty on their side of the argument.

Anytime you want to ban anything or force people to live by any rule (even if it's a good rule/law), you're inherently flying in the face of liberty (we all accept certain limits to our liberty so that society can function, ie: traffic lights). We also accept that an individual's liberty can be impinged so that it doesn't impinge on the liberty of others ( ie: laws against assault and battery).

So if conservativism = maintaining liberty, then, IMO, you have a hard sell restricting the rights of gays, women, pot smokers, or any other group of people and claiming liberty as their right to practice whatever they want to practice.

Personally, I think the line should be drawn on it directly disaffecting the person wanting to make the rule, not just being based on a person's personal belief system. If that isn't the case, then a majority of atheists could ban Christianity or force you to have an abortion.

Back to Soros, I read his take as that he wants to dispel the notion that he's far-left and is saying that his funding history reflects trying to balance things out, not the fact that he's a leftist. That's clearly BS because if he were truly a Centrist, not only would he not want things evened out, he wouldn't see it that way. He's clearly a leftist supporting leftists and leftist causes. Birds of a feather flock together. I'd like to hear his take on issues that he feels makes him a Centrist.

18-Jul-18

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"those are litmus tests for being extremely in the minority conservative."

1/3 of people wanting to ban gay marriage is not "extremely in the minority."

18-Jul-18

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40% wanting to ban abortion is not "extremely in the minority."

18-Jul-18

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37% of people opposing legalization of marijuana is not "extremely in the minority."

From: bigeasygator
18-Jul-18
JL, you did a good job highlighting the different political beliefs. IMO, people have commandeered the word “conservatism” to mean things that go against conservative principals of individual liberty, small government, and free markets. I am a registered Libertarian and, as you have alluded, I’ll argue that the Libertarian platform is the most “conservative” as it is the one that limits the power of government the most. That said, I don’t align with the Libertarian Party 100% of the time either (federal lands, for example, as well as a few other issues). I think labels are pretty pointless at the end of the day.

One point of distinction. I believe Straight Arrow’s point was that people who support abortion, gay marriage, etc are in the minority amongst “conservative” circles, not necessarily that they are an extreme minority in this country.

18-Jul-18
I see what you're saying BEG, but that's not what he said. Nonetheless, no matter what he meant, there's no extreme as the numbers are relatively close to the middle no matter what interpretation you use:

40% of Republicans and people who describe themselves as conservative, support gay marriage.

65% of republicans and 71% of self-described conservatives oppose abortion.

18-Jul-18
A conservative of the 50’s wouldn’t be a conservative today. Think Eisenhower, Goldwater,Nixon or Reagan. You’d call them RINO’s today.

Conservatives used to be rational before the religious right captured them. From there they went completely bonkers.

Evangelicals flocked to the Republican party with the understanding that, for example, abortion could once again be made illegal (keep in mind Goldwater was pro-abortion), prayer would be "allowed in the schools," etc.

There's no question this is still playing out: Paul Ryan was all into Ayn Rand until he wasn't when the fact she was an atheist got too close for comfort).

Similarly, Trump had to say to a rally in the Bible Belt that he liked his own book second to the Bible.

Economically, Reagan, W. Bush and next the combination of Paul Ryan / Mitch McConnell / Trump will leave the next generations huge HUGE deficits.

So much for fiscal conservative.

And liberals?

End slavery

Women's right to vote

End segregation

End child labor

Public grammar school and high school

40 hour work week

Social Security

Medicare

Medicaid for the poor

Protect the environment

Protect against predatory lenders

Protect against predatory for profit colleges

LGBT equal rights

And how many of these things, did conservatives fihht against, even destroyed in some cases.

And btw, no liberal friends of mine are against hard work and responsibility and accountability. In fact we encourage it vociferously.

We do believe that average people will rise to the level of their environment and we should try to give everyone the best environment possible.

We do believe that government can do good things and see the proof in countries like Denmark who have good government schools and health care and who does not have the poverty and prisons we have in the US

We do believe in common sense.

And if you don't want to help people less fortunate because it is morally the right thing to do, then help because it is in your own long term financial interest.

It is better to get people educated and working and paying taxes than paying for welfare and prison.

Are these things so radical?

From: itshot
18-Jul-18
"We do believe that average people will rise to the level of their environment and we should try to give everyone the best environment possible."

wow, great stuff there amongst all that other stuff

18-Jul-18
Another one that can't walk in front of a moving bus soon enough...

From: JTV
18-Jul-18
can I give him a kick in the dupa to speed things up ;0) ........

From: TD
18-Jul-18
I didn't watch it..... but I image a voice that sounds like a cross between Darth Vader and Vincent Price......

From: Bowbender
18-Jul-18
"End slavery"

1864 - Republican president, House and Senate

"Woman's right to vote"

1919 - Democrat President, Republican House and Senate

"End Segregation"

1954 - Republican President, House and Senate

Yeah.....those pesky dems sure forged a path....

From: Beendare
18-Jul-18
Do we need Soros to tell us that Obama is as arrogant as it gets? Heck, who didn't know that.....

Soros casually leaves out that he was working closely with the Obama admin underlings to undercut America....does bussing a bunch of paid protestors to set fire to Ferguson ring any bells?

I don't trust Soros as far as I can throw him......luckily he is one slice of cheesecake from a fast exit.

From: JL
18-Jul-18
I think the wish or maybe the ideal utopia for many is the freedom to do what ya want when ya want how ya want with no restrictions. The reality is any civilized society has to have a frame work or rules that it uses to successfully function and survive. If there were not rules, that society would eventually collapse into anarchy. I look at the US and see the boundaries of our traditional rules being pushed or circumvented. I think where we will eventually get into trouble is people trying to change the core rules to adapt to them vs them adapting to the core rules.

From: JTV
18-Jul-18
such as the Constitution ^^^ ... it is not a living breathing entity ... it says what it means and means what it says ...

From: TD
19-Jul-18
Wow...... that was the longest string of horse crap I've seen since the 4th of July Rodeo Parade......

From: JTV
19-Jul-18
and the PutZ even tries to say Denmark is better than the USA , you believe that !!??.... what an idiot...they dont even come close in the diversity and the population we have..... if it wasnt for the USA , those in Denmark would be speaking German right now ... I swear he pulls all that idiocy out of thin air, no one here, no one is as dweebish as he is ..

19-Jul-18
These Euro countries spend a lot on social programs, but so many of them have no military because the U.S. keeps them safe from Russia by having the military they need for protection.

19-Jul-18
Thank you Bowbender! CommiE history sure is different than reality!

From: scentman
19-Jul-18
If Obama wouldn't do Soros evil work... how evil is Soros? Things that make you go hmmm. Gilibrand... don't even want to go there.

From: Trax
19-Jul-18
Pick your issue from foreign policy to race relations to taxes to economy in general to murdering babies the liberals and their pet Democrap Party is badly messed up and in every way anti-American. We are not just talking liberals here, we are talking about radical America hating leftists.

Obama - hybrid socialist taking from both Communism and Fascism. America hating race pimp and statist. Globalist.

Hilda - hybrid socialist taking from both Communism and Fascism. Statist and globalist to the nth degree.

Brennan - Communist. Statist and globalist. America hating vile human being.

Holder - hybrid socialist and globalist. Race pimp.

Harris - globalist and radical statist. Socialist no doubt, not enough on her to see to what direction.

Booker - hybrid socialist and race pimp. Statist and radical leftist.

Biden - Statist and globalist. Clueless, ready to follow the lead of the America hating race pimps.

Cortez - completely clueless. Radical socialist. Waiting to be led by the worse the libs have to offer.

Bernie - Communist.

These are the leaders of the Democrap Party. A mix of radical liberals who would destroy all of which makes America great. Freedom and liberty as guaranteed by our Constitution, individualism and Capitalism. This is what they would destroy. All so they could take care of us.......oh the blind dumb sheep are so easily led.

The Senate will gain for the Republicans by 2-4 seats this fall and easily hold the House. President Trump will win by a larger margin in 2020. Thank you President Trump!

From: trublucolo
19-Jul-18
"These Euro countries spend a lot on social programs, but so many of them have no military because the U.S. keeps them safe from Russia by having the military they need for protection."

Where it's going to get interesting Ike is, if/when the left gets it's way here in the USA in regards to social programs......, where's the money/military going to come from to keep the wolves at bay?

From: JTV
19-Jul-18
the socialists dont care about the military.. unless it is used to take property away to give to the masses ....

From: JL
19-Jul-18
IMO....the Euro NATO member states that are used to the socialist lifestyle were use to the US paying a large share towards the NATO bill. Hopefully Trump put that gravy train to an end.

From: trublucolo
19-Jul-18
I agree JL, if those countries won't ante up to defend themselves why should we do the job for them. If the US were to scale it's role in NATO and the UN back to where the involved members were paying their share of the burden, it would probably change the politics involved.

20-Jul-18

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Soros invested $3 million in the NYT.

From: HA/KS
20-Jul-18
I can't think of a single reason to believe or trust soros unless he tells he is a fascist-loving socialist/communist who hates America, freedom, God, and most all of us.

When he says that, I will believe but not trust him.

From: Tonybear61
22-Jul-18
Don't ever trust the likes of Soros. As a reminder go to Dachau, any of the other Nazi death sites and remind yourself how he helped out the brownshirts, precursors to the SS and all those people back in his day as a youth.. He is a very dangerous man.

One of my kids recently visited there as part of a school trip. Should be mandatory to do a project on it in High School to wake up this generation who throws around the Nazi camp comparison every time the US govt. or POTUS does something they don't like. Some older folks need a reminder as well when they do that.

From: Tonybear61
22-Jul-18
Don't ever trust the likes of Soros. As a reminder go to Dachau, any of the other Nazi death sites and remind yourself how he helped out the brownshirts, precursors to the SS and all those people back in his day as a youth.. He is a very dangerous man.

One of my kids recently visited there as part of a school trip. Should be mandatory to do a project on it in High School to wake up this generation who throws around the Nazi camp comparison every time the US govt. or POTUS does something they don't like. Some older folks need a reminder as well when they do that.

26-Jul-18

Spike Bull 's Link
" From The New York Times Magazine, "George Soros Bet Big on Liberal Democracy. Now He Fears He Is Losing.":

In London in the 1950s, Soros was a student of the expatriated Austrian philosopher Karl Popper, who championed the notion of an “open society,” in which individual liberty, pluralism and free inquiry prevailed. Popper’s concept became Soros’s cause.

It is an embattled cause these days. Under Vladimir Putin, Russia has reverted to autocracy, and Poland and Hungary are moving in the same direction. With the rise of Donald Trump in the United States, where Soros is a major donor to Democratic candidates and progressive groups, and the growing strength of right-wing populist parties in Western Europe, Soros’s vision of liberal democracy is under threat in its longtime strongholds. Nationalism and tribalism are resurgent, barriers are being raised and borders reinforced and Soros is confronting the possibility that the goal to which he has devoted most of his wealth and the last chapter of his life will end in failure. Not only that: He also finds himself in the unsettling position of being the designated villain of this anti-globalization backlash, his Judaism and career in finance rendering him a made-to-order phantasm for reactionaries worldwide. “I’m standing for principles whether I win or lose,” Soros told me this spring. But, he went on, “unfortunately, I’m losing too much in too many places right now.”

With Putinism and Orbanism on the rise and the 30th anniversary of the fall of the Berlin Wall approaching, there is renewed debate about the import of the events of 1989 and whether Russians, Poles and Hungarians really intended to embrace the full menu of Western liberal values. Francis Fukuyama is among those who have doubts today. “There’s now a lot of evidence that a lot of that turn toward liberal democracy in the early days, after the fall of the Berlin Wall, really was driven by a kind of educated, very pro-Western elite,” he told me recently. But less-educated people who lived outside large urban areas “didn’t really buy into liberalism, this idea that you could actually have a multiracial, multiethnic society where all these traditional communal values would have to give way to gay marriage and immigrants and all this stuff. That they definitely did not buy into.”

In his annual state-of-the-world speech in Davos this year, Soros said Trump “would like to establish a mafia state, but he can’t, because the Constitution, other institutions and a vibrant civil society won’t allow it.” He also characterized Trump as a “purely temporary phenomenon that will disappear in 2020, or even sooner,” and predicted a Democratic landslide in the 2018 midterm elections. Five months on, he was sticking by those predictions. “For every Trump follower who follows Trump through thick and thin, there is more than one Trump enemy who will be more intent, more determined,” Soros told me. He is doing his part to shorten the Trump era: In advance of the midterm elections, Soros has so far contributed at least $15 million to support Democratic candidates and causes. His 32-year-old son Alex Soros dropped this gem:

[...]Alex told me that for many years, his father had not been eager to advertise his Judaism because “this was something he was almost killed for.” But he had always “identified firstly as a Jew,” and his philanthropy was ultimately an expression of his Jewish identity, in that he felt a solidarity with other minority groups and also because he recognized that a Jew could only truly be safe in a world in which all minorities were protected. Explaining his father’s motives, he said, “The reason you fight for an open society is because that’s the only society that you can live in, as a Jew — unless you become a nationalist and only fight for your own rights in your own state.”"

From: JTV
26-Jul-18

JTV's Link
Soros is at it again .... http://www.centralfloridapost.com/2018/07/24/soros-funded-never-trump-group-backs-miller/

03-Aug-18

Spike Bull 's Link
Steve Bannon to help Europe escape from the Soros EU.

04-Aug-18

Spike Bull 's Link
Demons, bought and paid for.

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