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31-Jul-18

Spike Bull 's Link
Tell me they are not interested in implementing Sharia at their earliest convenience!

From: JTV
31-Jul-18

JTV's Link
http://www.independentsentinel.com/blogger-convicted-of-defaming-an-islamist-although-what-he-said-is-true/

From: BIG BEAR
31-Jul-18
He’s the deputy chair of the Democratic National Committee..........

His views are right in line with every liberal Democrat in the country...... He demanded Amazon to remove books that they view as racist or Nazi......... This is going on around our nation with statues and books.......

Where in the Sam Hell do you read into that anything about Sharia Law ????? What does his religion have anything whatsoever to do with that article Spike ?????

You sir are a bigot....... 100% plain and simple. Now that the threads on racism have played out...... Maybe you need one on bigotry.........

From: BIG BEAR
31-Jul-18
Also........ He’s a civil rights attorney........ born and raised in Detroit........

From: HDE
31-Jul-18
Maybe because it's that Sharia Law controls every aspect of your life and he as a Muslim is trying to do just that - control your life?

I dunno...

From: Grey Ghost
31-Jul-18
....with a catholic upbringing.

Thanks, BB, for saying what I, and I suspect others, were thinking.

Matt

31-Jul-18
Banning of books, irrespective of their content, is a scary form of censorship that we cannot tolerate in this country.

From: RK
31-Jul-18
BB DITTO on GG post

THANK YOU

And as a side Note. JTV link is Canada !

How in the hell did the CF become what it is today!!

From: BIG BEAR
31-Jul-18
JTV........ Google Gunnery Sgt. Joseph Felix and tell me what you think of him.........

He’s a Marine spending 10 years in prison for the hazing of Muslim Americans in boot camp........... Muslim Americans who signed up to defend our country.......

Spike...... Refresh my memory......... Did you serve our nation ???? What do you think of Gunney Felix. ???

From: JTV
31-Jul-18
no, it is Canaduh .. ... I knew that when I posted it...just shows how F'd up Canaduh is ..

From: BIG BEAR
31-Jul-18
Idyl...... I agree totally....... but that has ZERO to do with the Congressman being Muslim.....

From: K Cummings
31-Jul-18
HDE:

Maybe because it's that the fear of Sharia Law (as well as the Clintons, the eGOP, and the trillionaire pedophiles) controls every aspect of your life...

I hope you don't mind, but I fixed that for you. At least as it pertains to the OP and a few others.

KPC

From: RK
31-Jul-18
But JTV. Who the hell cares about Canada

A nice disclaimer should have been in order

31-Jul-18
how many articles did you post chiding white supremacists running for office, Jeffrey? Oh none? Hmmm interesting. Its not like those guys are a danger to our nation, unlike those scary muslims, huh?

From: RK
31-Jul-18
PZ. Clean up your own house. Then worry about the neighbors

From: Nomad
31-Jul-18

Nomad's Link
He's a Minnesota congressman now & has previous ties with the muslim brotherhood & the nation of islam. He's now running for Minnesota Attorney General & wants to impeach President Trump from that platform. He's a radical, liberal, & yes muslim, nutjob extremist! He's from my state & I've been watching him for some time. If not liking him because he's against everything I stand for makes me a bigot too in your eyes (just because you think it's only because he's black or a muslim) then I suggest you remove the mote from your eye first!

From: Nomad
31-Jul-18

Nomad's Link

From: BIG BEAR
31-Jul-18
He might be a radical liberal Democratic civil rights attorney...... But he isn’t bringing Sharia Law to the United States.......

Spike is a bigot because he thinks every Muslim in the United States is trying to implement Sharia Law..... The fact is they are not.

From: HDE
31-Jul-18
KPC- you can make revisions and additions however you like. The "parallel" drawn at the beginning (not mine) is assumed on religion alone and the political ideology/code of behavior some have.

Call it for what it is, a stereotype, and sharia law is a real thing, not a fear of a fairytale.

From: K Cummings
01-Aug-18
"Call it for what it is, a stereotype and sharia law is a real thing, not a fear of a fairytale."

Is that how we are supposed to judge people now? Stereotypes based on their religion or nationality? As BB said, that is just your basic, run of the mill bigotry.

I agree that Sharia law is a "real thing," but the notion that every Muslim wants it, or that it will be implemented through our legal system is indeed a "fairy tale."

KPC

From: Nomad @ work
01-Aug-18

Nomad @ work's Link
Netflix had posted it would run a documentary on Louis Farrakhan of the nation of islam. I heard on the radio this morning that Keith Ellison narrated & appeared in it.

If I was a conspiracy guy I would be very suspect of the timing seeing as Ellison is now running for MN Attorney General.

From: HDE
01-Aug-18
KPC - good morning to you too! Not trying to argue with you. Just stating why the thread began the way it did.

Never said it was correct...

From: BIG BEAR
01-Aug-18
Nomad ..... The guy is a radical left wing liberal.......... There’s no disputing that........

But what do you think of a young man who joins the Marines to defend the United States of America..... and his religion happens to be Muslim ??

From: K Cummings
01-Aug-18
I realize it wasn't necessarily your belief, I was just using your quote to get a point across.

:)

KPC

From: HDE
01-Aug-18
^^^ I C

From: Rocky
01-Aug-18
BB, Sharia law is a clear and present danger in this nation. Unless I am very wrong, freckled face red headed people are the least of my concerns to forward Sharia.

You are also comparing apples and oranges.

I don't think any less of a Marine who joins to defend our nation and who may be of Muslim faith. The depth and possible deception of that faith will always concern me in the present political and social environment. History is our guide. The radical left wing liberal Muslim sympathizer running for a higher office can cause more damage to our nation from that position. You can't see that?

I have noticed that you have a affinity for Muslims whenever that subject arises. A Crusader for Muslims in America is not going over very big these days. I don't know why?

The Rock

01-Aug-18
Rock,

What I have noticed about BB is he doesn't like bigots, and has the backbone to say it.

From: Nomad @ work
01-Aug-18
Big Bear......this thread is about Congressman Ellison.

If you wish to start a thread about "a young man who joins the Marines to defend the United States of America..... and his religion happens to be Muslim" you are welcome too. I may even participate if I have something to add to that conversation.

From: BIG BEAR
01-Aug-18
Exactly Frank. Why are you calling me out to stay on topic Nomad,,,,, But not JTV who posted a link about a case in Canada ???

On topic........ Show me where the radical left wing Congressman is trying to implement Sharia Law here in the United States........

That radical left winger was elected in your state by the way...... and I’d bet my next paycheck that the majority of the folks who elected him are not Muslims.....

From: BIG BEAR
01-Aug-18
Rock...... I work with 3 Muslim Americans who are dedicated Police Officers who risk their lives every day to protect and serve and enforce the Laws of the State of Michigan and the United States of America....

They are my coworkers and friends. I will put my life on the line proudly alongside them every day...........

I have a hell of a lot more respect for them, than a cowardly bigot who hides behind his keyboard and repeatedly says that all Muslims are pushing Sharia to become law in the U.S. That simply is not true.

Why would you have a problem with me repeatedly calling out Spike Bull for posting untruths about the subject ????? Flat out false information like Sharia Law is in effect in parts of Dearborn Michigan.... and the Dearborn Police will not go into those areas ?? That is 100% not true........ Why do you have a problem with me continually chiming in on it..... but you don’t seem to have a problem with Spike Bull REPEATEDLY posting untruths on the matter ???

From: Nomad @ work
01-Aug-18
Your paycheck would be safe BB. Although the largest Somali refugee population in the country lives in his district there are plenty of lunatic lefties with self hating white guilt to make up the difference.

I did not address JTV because honestly I did not open his link as I didn't think it relevant to the conversation & he did not address me personally.

Thank you for your service to your community & thank your co-workers.

Ellison doesn't need to implement sharia law....he will do plenty of damage to my State & this Country if he gets elected AG.

From: BIG BEAR
01-Aug-18
Thank you Nomad. I try not to gauge a person based on their race or religion..... rather what type of person they are.

From: JTV
01-Aug-18
RK, your right, I dont give a damn about Canada .. really dont ... it was for an example .. the threat from radical Islam is real and there are those places that kiss their ass ...

From: Trax
01-Aug-18
Spike's link illustrated once again for us how the left thinks and wants us to think. Ellison is an America hating hybrid socialist, that being one who takes from both extremes of Marxism and Fascism. He is a far to the left radical parasite who is a big government power shill. A danger to our Constitution and America in general.

JTV's link illustrates what is happening world wide, we sure don't want to see it happen here. That is the goal of the radical left, they want to control what we can think and thus what we can say. They want all to be forced to accept their lack of values.

Muslims here legally and supporting themselves have and absolutely should have all the respect and accountability we all have. If they are citizens the right to vote and all that comes with citizenship. They do not have the right to encroach on our Constitution, an example any effort to move towards any type of sharia law for instance. As they grow in voting power we'll see if that happens. It certainly is happening in other countries. The time to counter that is now.

Those who works towards or applaud the demise of this great country, which would include the likes of trying to bring sharia into the picture in any way, are nothing but swine. I think we all can agree on that too.

01-Aug-18
"Muslims here legally and supporting themselves have and absolutely should have all the respect and accountability we all have. If they are citizens the right to vote and all that comes with citizenship. They do not have the right to encroach on our Constitution, an example any effort to move towards any type of sharia law for instance. As they grow in voting power we'll see if that happens. It certainly is happening in other countries. The time to counter that is now."

Thanks, Trax. Let me repeat:

"The time to counter that is now."

I have a hard time trusting the future actions of those that ascribe to the Koranical doctrine which asks for musilms to lie, cheat, steal, abuse, enslave, murder, etc., against other people and religions to further thier caliphate dreams. I remember a recent article which stated that 75% of muslims in the US would like to have sharia law. I think that many readily admit it, and most other muslims would readily go along with it when pushed. Having them in our government, especially when they are known affiliates of MB, and allies with the Soros-Demon left, is a recipe for disaster.

Bigot? If I dislike some people you can bet it is because they have taught me to.

From: Trax
01-Aug-18
Anyone who would attack the Constitution, and advocating something like sharia would be, is an enemy to America and we the people. They are swine.

01-Aug-18
Spike,

I remember your comments about what was happening in Dearborn, MI. Having lived close by at one time, I was alarmed.

Not just BB challenged you, but I also spoke with some former work colleagues still in the area. They set me straight, you were spreading false information.

That is a far cry from what you just posted. Not trying to be a jerk, but the more alarmist your posts are today, the more I ignore them. We conservatives must be tempered and balanced, for now.

From: tonyo6302
01-Aug-18
. . . . two years ago . . . . .

From: tonyo6302
01-Aug-18
. . . . . one year ago in Minnesota . . . . .

From: BIG BEAR
01-Aug-18
I thought we were staying on topic and discussing Congressman Ellison’s views on Sharia Law ??

Since we’re expanding that Tony ............ What do you think of young Muslims who volunteered to uphold the Constitution of The United States of America and protect it by joining the Marine Corps.......

What do you think of a drill instructor that would taunt them and openly call them terrorists in front of their fellow Marine recruits............?? Put one of them in a dryer ?? Mysteriously one of them died..... It was called a suicide..... But if the drill Sgt. Did nothing wrong...... why did he get convicted of 10 years in prison ?????

How do you feel about the treatment of those Marines ?? We’re you in the Military Tony ??

How about you Spike Bull ??? Did you do as much for the United States of America as those young Muslim Americans by volunteering for the Marine Corps ???

From: Trax
01-Aug-18
Hey BIG BEAR, how do you feel about Jupiter being bigger than Neptune?

From: BIG BEAR
01-Aug-18
Hey SZ...... Identify yourself... anonymous man.

From: tonyo6302
01-Aug-18
. . . . . those peaceful Muslims. It is hard to believe we ever went to war against them . . . . ( sarcasm )

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( Start your own straw man thread, BIG BEAR, as you were asked to do, and I will answer your questions ) ( My video links are germane to the topic, by the way

From: BIG BEAR
01-Aug-18
Your attacks by Muslims are germane..... but attacks on Muslims are not...... haaa !!!!! Good one !!!!

From: tonyo6302
01-Aug-18
I have not attacked anyone on this thread, but you have, BIG BEAR.

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I will put you in for the award for the most straw man arguments in a single thread.

So, when are you starting your Jarhead/Muslim/Drill Instructor thread? I am ready to answer your straw man questions.

From: tonyo6302
01-Aug-18
1500 years of Islamic history, so I will not call someone a Bigot who reaches their own educated conclusion on all things Islamic.

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What is it that KPC always types, "they resort to name calling when the cannot back up their arguments." Well looky who is calling people names now. WOW !

From: BIG BEAR
01-Aug-18
Sorry if I wasn’t in the debate club in high school Tony......

From: DL
01-Aug-18

DL's Link
Well I’ve had to do a lot of soul searching lately on this subject. It’s a tough call because we have some very bad extremists here to deal with but we also have those Idiot Baptist Church wackos that protest veterans funerals. Recently where my son lives a new person moved in. The houses where he lives share a common driveway and are close together. Turns out his neighbor is a Muslim that’s a Trump supporting Republican running for the CA state legislature. There was a prayer breakfast that the city Council put on that was early in the AM. My son knew he should go but he’s a night owl and 5 am was too early for him until his Muslim neighbor who knew my son is a Christian asked if he wanted to go with him. Well he did and said he enjoyed their talk. So on the Fourth of July there was a city parade that he was in. My wife and daughter in law were in it with others wearing his Tee shirts and handing out American flags. Any of you watch 60 minutes Sunday? That was a real eye opener. Watch the entire episode if you can.

From: Rocky
01-Aug-18
Those who want to give comfort to all Muslims in this country because they may have selected examples and beliefs of a few, go right ahead. I don't trust them in general, period. They have proven their religious fanaticism that goes deep into their DNA and rules their lives. Are there exceptions. Absolutely, but I would not be in the buy column if they were a stock that is for certain. These people have and will cause the world to bear unspeakable pain and sorrow. America was founded upon Christian principles. Worship whoever you like but never forget and respect the roots of the ground that you are standing upon. Should that make you uncomfortable, disagreeable or you may have difficulty assimilating, you caught the wrong boat. Where were all these wonderful people when America was being built and was in need of the labor? Ah...nothing was free at that time. You came ,you worked or you perished. Why the hell go to America? Call me a bigot or a racist because I could care less.

01-Aug-18
So I had bad information with regard to Dearborn at the time, my mistake, I apologize.

From: tonyo6302
01-Aug-18
Don't hold your breath, Spike, on receiving an apology from BIG BEAR, Paul Z, Grey Ghost, Habitat for Wildlife, or KPC.

From: K Cummings
01-Aug-18
"Don't hold your breath, Spike, on receiving an apology from BIG BEAR, Paul Z, Grey Ghost, Habitat for Wildlife, or KPC.

Just curious Tonyo, what do I need to apologize to anyone for?

KPC

From: BIG BEAR
01-Aug-18
I’m sorry Spike hates all Muslims.

01-Aug-18
Hilarious that open bigotry is so easily defended by most of you.

Plenty of examples of white supremacists that want to supersede the Constitutionbut not a peep on that.

Plenty of examples of Christian Americans getting violent and not a peep.

Nope only the Muslims and brown people get the hate and angst.

Maybe you need to ask yourself why. Self reflection is a good thing. Use it

From: Rocky
01-Aug-18
......maybe being a man and accepting the apology of another when it is offered. Did you ever give that a thought? A man who never has apologized for his mistake or never ACCEPTED a sincere apology for the mistake from another, is less than a man. You have proven to fit the bill.

BB, Why would you apologize to Spike? Your interaction with Muslims and your endearment to them as you claim, is a far cry from the vast majority of Americans. Should people indict and chastise Americans for your sake who continue to feel the pain and savagery of 9/11/2001. Should people just forget when they continue with these attacks till this very day? You tend to lean heavily on the badge. Stand on your own. Your capable.

The Rock

From: HDE
01-Aug-18
The only people of "Muslim decent" converted to Catholicism for whatever reason, so I have no real first hand knowledge of them except for what I read - and not on Bowsite either!!

01-Aug-18
Tony,

I have to ask also, what do I need to apologize for?

Spike, thank you for your apology.

Tony, we are obligated to treat people as individuals, not draw conclusions from what others in their group have done. Tim McVay did not represent my Christian beliefs.

Paul, I believe what has been described is a bias, that may have lead to prejudice, but you cannot draw racism as a conclusion, IMHO.

And BB, I believe Tony served in the military.

From: BIG BEAR
01-Aug-18
Radical Islamic terrorists committed the atrocities of 9/11.........

President Trump does not blame all Muslims for the acts of radical Islamic terrorists.... nor do I.

From: KSflatlander
01-Aug-18
Rocky- you often throw Christianity out there but you sure don’t talk like a follower of Christ. I don’t know you so I’m not saying you ain’t but do you square it?

From: bigeasygator
01-Aug-18
Nice to see the monthly “sharia is out to get us” post is up. I particularly love how this one involved a story that had nothing to do with Islam, and certainly nothing to do with sharia.

From: DL
01-Aug-18
The 60 minutes special is about an American Muslim working for the government. He was outraged at 9/11 that someone would attack the country he lived and that had made such a perversion of his religion. He while working for intelligence I infiltrated ISIS to bring down a terrorist preparing to derail a train off a bridge. He also traveled to the Middle East gaining their trust and providing valuable intel for the government. Pretty interesting feature. Don’t get me wrong I don’t give Muslims a free pass here. They are a real threat in many areas. Where I moved to there is one of largest Mosques in the state. They were wanting to broadcast outdoors into the city morning prayer. I know one of the city councilman and he said it’s begining to look like the city is in for a battle with them over a lot of issues. They now have a Muslim candidate for city council. Time will tell what there agenda is. There is obviously some very good Muslim citizens here. My brother and I grew up with two from Iran. One of my brothers best friends. Before the world blew up we had friends that we went out with. He was a Pakistani Muslim that lived to hunt. We got along great. He invited me over to where he was from to go hunting. He had Falcons to go hunting with too. Sad what the world has become.

From: K Cummings
01-Aug-18
"What is it that KPC always types, "they resort to name calling when the cannot back up their arguments." Well looky who is calling people names now. WOW !

Not sure if you're referring to me, but if you are, I'd sure appreciate it if you'd show me where I called anyone a name. A simple cut and paste will do.

KPC

From: slade
01-Aug-18
If the show fits

From: JTV
01-Aug-18
from KPC... " A simple *unt and paste will do." .... uhhhhh, ooopsie ?? ....lol ..

From: RK
01-Aug-18
"If the SHOW fits" ???

From: K Cummings
01-Aug-18
Thanks for pointing out my typo JTV, I corrected it. Must have been a Freudian slip.

:)

KPC

From: RK
01-Aug-18
Jvt Yep slade too

From: Rocky
01-Aug-18
KS,

You have me confused with someone else concerning " often throwing Christianity" out there. I am not a saint by any means. I am a Christian and my personal worship is to my Lord, God, and King Jesus Christ. I will be judged by Him one day but no one on this earth. If I should have sins to pay for, and I undoubtedly will, that would be for Him to decide an admonish me. I have never used my religion as a crutch in my posts and never will. Btw......those who may "throw Christianity" out there often may have their reasons. that is their business.

The Rock

From: KSflatlander
01-Aug-18
Fair enough Rocky. No human can judge salvation. How about that...I think we just agreed...lol.

From: tonyo6302
02-Aug-18
"Is that how we are supposed to judge people now? Stereotypes based on their religion or nationality? As BB said, that is just your basic, run of the mill bigotry. "

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There is your post, the cut and paste you asked for, KPC.

From: tonyo6302
02-Aug-18
"I’m sorry Spike hates all Muslims."

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Facts not in evidence, BIG BEAR. Just because you say it, does not make it so.

Shameful behavior for an Officer of the Law.

02-Aug-18
Tony,

I don't see any name calling in there, just pointing out behavior. Your participation in this thread, rather what you have said, is a sad disappointment to me. Surprised as well.

From: tonyo6302
02-Aug-18
"Not just BB challenged you, but I also spoke with some former work colleagues still in the area. They set me straight, you were spreading false information."

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Habitat for Wildlife, an apology for that post is most warranted. The above video links are pretty much proof that Spike is more spot on that you and BIG BEAR.

Plus an earlier comment by you, basically agreeing with BIG BEAR that Spike is a Bigot, for "critical thinking" on 1500 years of Islamic history.

From: tonyo6302
02-Aug-18
"Tony, I don't see any name calling in there,"

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Perhaps, you should re-read the entire thread, and take everything in context.

02-Aug-18
Tony, Those videos were not exclusively Dearborn. At this point I am questioning your integrity with regards to this issue. Spike apologized above, recognizing that the information he stated at that time was not accurate.

Videos from any source in today's social media world are not credible, not as much as boots on the ground. Further, Spike owes this site an apology for constant posting of old and/or inaccurate information, most likely for the purpose of evoking some reaction.

Your attempt to defend what you have posted is weak and below your character. Telling a police officer in the area that Spike is right about not being able to go into a Muslim dominated area is accurate because he saw it on the web somewhere, when said officer tells you that is not true??? You owe BB an apology as basically you are calling him a liar.

Circumstantial evidence, if it walks like a duck...

You have an officer tell you what was said is not accurate. I call folks in the area, told what Spike said is not accurate. Spike has a history of posting things that multiple people have recently challenged.

You still going to defend he is more right? Look in the mirror Tony!

02-Aug-18
Tony,

That video is a joke. Those guys went looking for trouble. How does it prove they want to implement Sharia law? Security looked non-muslim to me. I bet the police would respond if violence occurred. In fact, I know they would.

What a joke!

02-Aug-18

Spike Bull 's Link
The world is heading in a bad direction and we are part of this world. Efforts are underway by several different groups to change this nation for the worst. I will continue to ring the warning bell as needed. That does not include hating anyone.

Muslims, or perhaps more specifically islamists, are only one group with this agenda and they are pushing for sharia and the caliphate wiith the same tactics that they have for 1400 years.

Certain organizations track this and warn us. I am certain that many here feel the similarly about certain political parties. Anyways, look around. Trust who is trustworthy and be suspicious of the rest. See the link for info.

From: tonyo6302
02-Aug-18

tonyo6302's embedded Photo
tonyo6302's embedded Photo
OCT 1983 – Beirut Lebanon - those darn Methodists!

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DEC 1988 – Pan Am Flight 103 – dang those people from the Church of Christ!

FEB 1993 – World Trade Center, NY, NY. - The Hindu will get you every time!

JUN 1996 – Khobar Towers - Ya gotta watch those Baptists!

AUG 1999 – U.S. Embassies Kenya/Tanzania – those Lutherans can sure be mean!

OCT 2000 – U.S.S. Cole - Those Jews came out of nowhere and surprised us!

SEPT 11, 2001 - Yep, Episcopalians at it again!

Lets see, does anyone know the body count resulting from the Westboro Baptist Church?

From: tonyo6302
02-Aug-18
"Your attempt to defend what you have posted is weak and below your character. "

Says you. I say after 1500 years of Islamic history, ANYONE has a right to their own opinion without being called a bigot. If you want to say that Spike does not trusts Muslims, you could be correct. A Bigot - no - history is on his side.

"Telling a police officer in the area that Spike is right about not being able to go into a Muslim dominated area is accurate"

I never said that. Do not put words in my mouth, and stop thinking with your Liberal feelings.

"You owe BB an apology as basically you are calling him a liar. "

Not true. I disagreed with BIG BEAR that Spike is a bigiot. I apologize to no one for my opinion of Spike.

Now, H4W, you and I just disagree on things. I have not impuned your character at all, nor have I put words into your mouth.

You, on the other hand, have agreed that Spike is a bigot, and you have impuned my character. You are one that should man up and apologize - to both of us.

From: bigeasygator
02-Aug-18
That’s cool...two can play this game...Oklahoma City, Dylan Roof, Robert Dear, Eric Rudolph, Phinnaes Priesthood, Srebrenica...

From: bigeasygator
02-Aug-18
“I say after 1500 years of Islamic history, ANYONE has a right to their own opinion without being called a bigot”

Basing an opinion on selective history and thinking things that happened 1500 years ago are relevant to judging someone’s character today is pretty much what bigotry is all about. It’s about as reasonable as forming your opinion of Christians based on the Spanish Inquisition and the Salem Witch Trials.

From: K Cummings
02-Aug-18
Nice try Tonyo but lets do exactly as you suggested..."take everything in context."

HDE posted:

"KPC- you can make revisions and additions however you like. The "parallel" drawn at the beginning (not mine) is assumed on religion alone and the political ideology/code of behavior some have.

Call it for what it is, a stereotype, and sharia law is a real thing, not a fear of a fairytale."

In response, I posted:

" "Is that how we are supposed to judge people now? Stereotypes based on their religion or nationality? As BB said, that is just your basic, run of the mill bigotry."

Making a factual statement about a specific behavior (not even a person) is calling someone a name? I think not. HDE made an observation, and I asked a question about that observation and made one of my own.

Furthermore, sticking with your theme of keeping "everything in context," let's take a look at something you posted.

" 1500 years of Islamic history, so I will not call someone a Bigot who reaches their own educated conclusion on all things Islamic. "

Even if I were to call someone a bigot, which I most certainly did not, would it not be fair for someone like BB to reach their own educated conclusion based on the volume of posts that someone has made on a particular topic, i.e. Muslims?

Again, nice try, (not really, actually) but words mean things. I try to choose mine carefully (typos notwithstanding).

KPC

From: tonyo6302
02-Aug-18
"That’s cool...two can play this game...Oklahoma City, Dylan Roof, Robert Dear, Eric Rudolph, Phinnaes Priesthood, Srebrenica... "

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OK, what about them? Were all, or just a portion done in the name of Christ? Tell us - go ahead.

"Basing an opinion on selective history "

Says you, that it is selective. Facts not in eveidence. Just because you say it, does not make it so.

"and thinking things that happened 1500 years ago are relevant to judging someone’s character today is pretty much what bigotry is all about"

It is not judging someone, but the continued actions of a religion that leads to mistrust. History is a very good basis to form opinions.

"It’s about as reasonable as forming your opinion of Christians based on the Spanish Inquisition and the Salem Witch Trials. "

So now you have appointed yourself prosecutor, judge, and jury on exactly what someone may form their opinions on. So if they don't agree with your opinion, then thay are a bigot? Did i understand you correctly here?

From: gflight
02-Aug-18
I judge people not Races, Cultures, Religions, etc.

Stereotyping is just ignorance and happens many times when people don't get out and believe the hate.

Of course you wouldn't think I believe that way based on my personal attackers and their accusations of my racism.....;^)

From: tonyo6302
02-Aug-18
KPC, please turn the italics off.

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KPC, we will just have to disagree then. It appears to me in context that you jumped on the "Bigot" bandwagon on this thread.

By the way, so if, in your opinion, BIG BEAR can reach his own conclusion that Spike is a bigot, than in your thinking I should be able to disagree with him, right?

From: tonyo6302
02-Aug-18
gflight, we have enough racists on this thread already. .. ..

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;^)

From: Grey Ghost
02-Aug-18
What's sad is, the hand-wringers who fret over Sharia probably couldn't tell you what it is, or the principles it stands for.

Matt

From: tonyo6302
02-Aug-18
"What's sad is, the hand-wringers who fret over Sharia probably couldn't tell you what it is, or the principles it stands for. "

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Says you. Facts not in evidence. Just because you say it, does not make it so.

02-Aug-18

Spike Bull 's Link
You may not have been here several years ago when we had daily conversations highlighting the actual passages from the Koran, and Sharia Law, and there meaning, not to mention years worth of observing the behavior of it's practitioners, GG.

Then there is this:

From: bigeasygator
02-Aug-18
There is no litmus test that definitively proves how bigoted someone might be. So you have to look at statements and the logic people use in forming their own opinions, keeping in mind what you know about the facts of the situation. Saying what happened 1500 years ago is relevant to forming my opinion on something raises flags. Saying the actions of a small percentage of extremists are indicative of an entire religion raises further flags. Overstating the threat of extremist views that account for a tiny, tiny fraction of a religion that, in total, makes up 1% of the population of this country, raises even more flags. Spreading fake news that continues to paint a religion in a singularly negative light sends up more flags. So, hey, maybe you guys aren't bigots...you just act bigot-ish.

From: Grey Ghost
02-Aug-18
Look at Tonyo acting all lawyerly and stuff....LOL.

Matt

From: tonyo6302
02-Aug-18
Like KPC says, if you cannot support your argument with facts, just resort to name calling.

From: bigeasygator
02-Aug-18
I can't link to what you posted Spike, but I can only imagine what it says. Again, you can read a passage in a religious text and decide to take the most extreme interpretation. That doesn't make you right.

There are Bible verses that can be interpreted to condone slavery, violence, sexism, cannibalism, incest, and rape. That doesn't mean most Christians do (they clearly don't). Not sure why this concept is so hard for folks to understand and apply to Islam.

From: K Cummings
02-Aug-18
"KPC, we will just have to disagree then. It appears to me in context that you jumped on the "Bigot" bandwagon on this thread.

By the way, so if, in your opinion, BIG BEAR can reach his own conclusion that Spike is a bigot, than in your thinking I should be able to disagree with him, right?"

Of course you absolutely can. No where have I ever suggested otherwise. Nobody champions that more than I have. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Having said that, if you post it here, you had probably better be able to support it with facts or it likely won't turn out well for you. If the only way you can support your opinion is by calling other people names (which we see quite often), you're argument has failed....in my opinion of course.

Lastly, your insinuation that I called anyone in particular a bigot is simply not supportable with facts.

As it relates to spike specifically, I don't actually think he is a "bigot." I think he is paranoid, and therefore buys into a whole host of different "theories." When those "theories" are proven wrong, it doesn't go well for him. I am in no way suggesting he doesn't have the right to post them.

KPC

From: tonyo6302
02-Aug-18
I appreciate your response, KPC.

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There are a couple of good lessons on this thread, in my opinion. KPC and I, and even BIG BEAR and I, have disagreed without the name calling. That, again, in my opinion, is how it should be.

- except gflight is a racist - ;^)

From: Grey Ghost
02-Aug-18
"You may not have been here several years ago when we had daily conversations highlighting the actual passages from the Koran, and Sharia Law, and there meanin...,"

I'm sure that was enlightening, and not at all biased. (sarcasm)

So, Spike, what are the basic principles of Sharia, as you understand them? Please don't plagiarize your answer from one of your right wing-nut sites. Answer off the top, based on your own personal research and knowledge.

Thanks,

Matt

From: Rocky
02-Aug-18
Muslims in general are not a problem? Read this thread from top to bottom and the bitterness from some and the tenderness from others that collides within America today. Americans defending Muslims on this site, a purported conservative stronghold, against Americans who are tinged with suspect against a group with a long and present history of horror and terror. The facts are the facts. The play on words doesn't work. Should I be on a airplane and if a Muslim sitting next to me ( and he will be in the window seat) reaches into his pocket I better see a pen coming out because anything else and his lamps will go dark. Better to be safe than sorry. ;-) I personally don't trust any Muslim unless they are filling my truck with gas, and until it reads full on my dash, I will remain in doubt. ;-) That should have a few lips smacking around here because their Muslim buddies are the cats meow. ;-=) Bigot? Racist? A product of my environment.

The Rock

02-Aug-18
Actually Tony, you said Spike was more right than BB or me, and Spike posted police would not go into Dearborn, which is absolutely not true.

So, you either defended Spike not knowing what he said, or defended him knowing. Which is it? I am sure no apology will be forthcoming as your thinking is dominated by emotional blather.

From: Trax
02-Aug-18
It's real simple folks if you want to debate a Muslim "Issue". If they are here legally and supporting themselves while following our laws and fully abiding by what our Constitution calls for they should receive the same respect and accountability any of us have. If they are citizens on top of that they are entitled to what that means to any of us. If they are here illegally then they are illegal invaders like any other would be. If they do not abide by the above or follow those principles they are swine. If they quietly applaud the results of radicals within their religion they are swine, they are one with the terrorists and should be treated in like. The fear people have with Muslims is that we WILL see an advance in those among them that will bring about sharia or any other practices that would be in violation of Constitution and or hatred of America. We have seen that done in other countries, and we have seen it done in some of our hoods. It is a legitimate fear, even if for now we are dealing with a minority among their population. This is America, and we have no room for those that would bring and breed hatred for this country. They must also understand that certain "customs" that may come from their religion or country of origin will not be tolerated here.

02-Aug-18
Tony says" just BB challenged you, but I also spoke with some former work colleagues still in the area. They set me straight, you were spreading false information." .. … .

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Habitat for Wildlife, an apology for that post is most warranted. The above video links are pretty much proof that Spike is more spot on that you and BIG BEAR."

Again Tony, that EDITED video only makes Spike more spot on in your mind. Where did they prove Sharia law is in force and the police will not come into Dearborn?

THEY DIDN'T!

I challenged your integrity with respect to this issue, and your character with respect to this issue. I do so again as you are at a minimum being disingenuous saying otherwise. Go back and read what I posted.

Since Spike has no evidence other than this edited video, he proved nothing. Yet you formed an opinion without either knowing what Spike said before, or chose to ignore what he said and defend a ridiculous position anyway.

Either way that is an integrity issue on this from my perspective. Own it.

From: jjs
02-Aug-18
After reading all of this and lived in St. Paul for a short time and having a personal experience with a muslim dr. is that majority do not want to interact and are a close sect. The dr. I referred to was a negative one which I assumed to my last name which is highly offensive to Islam, the dr. went back to Pakistan. Congressman Ellison is radical and a threat to the Mn St. A.G. if elected which is highly doubtful. Islam and a Constitutional Republic can not coexist in their core belief. My son (USMC Weapons Co. Iraq vet 2003-2006, 29 mos in Iraq) stated the same belief that Islam is like oil and water for individual freedom, contradicts the Koran. My son's CO ask him to change a letter on his name badge, he told the CO that the Iraqis couldn't read, google the meaning of Shirk in Islam it explains it.

02-Aug-18
Tony says

"Facts not in evidence, BIG BEAR. Just because you say it, does not make it so.

Shameful behavior for an Officer of the Law."

Tony, that is name calling when taken in the context by which your standards are holding everyone else accountable for.

1500 years of selective history...Christian history also has some dark spots. He is a more recent, minor example...

One of my Jesuit professors married Robin and I. He was less than 15 years older than me. As a young Jesuit, the rector would check via their open doors that nightly prayers were performed kneeling next to their bed and striking their own backs with a leather belt.

From: HDE
02-Aug-18
Some of the worst, and best things imaginable have been done in the name of religion- any religion.

Now - on to the August Chuckles thread...

From: tonyo6302
02-Aug-18
" Spike posted police would not go into Dearborn"

On this thread? Let me go re-read this thread again.

"Tony, that is name calling when taken in the context by which your standards are holding everyone else accountable for. "

Totally not true. Again, stop with your musty liberal feelings, and try to find some facts.

From: tonyo6302
02-Aug-18
I just re-read this entire thread. I cannot find where Spike says police cannot go into Dearborn. .. .. ..

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So how about it, H4W, will you give us another sermon on spreading something false?

H4W, what is the body count for Jesuit terrorism this century?

From: K Cummings
02-Aug-18
Tonyo:

"I just re-read this entire thread. I cannot find where Spike says police cannot go into Dearborn. .. .. .."

He didn't say it in this thread, he said it in a previous thread.

However, based on the following:

"" 1500 years of Islamic history, so I will not call someone a Bigot who reaches their own educated conclusion on all things Islamic."

Surely if we can go back 1500 years on order to form an opinion, we can go back a few months can't we?

Heck, if it was never said, why would he apologize for having said it?

KPC

02-Aug-18
Kevin,

Thanks. You nailed it, but let's be frank. Tony is selective about the last 1500 years, so in his mind it is OK to be selective about what Spike said over the last few years. Tony, I don't need to dust off any liberal...

Another insult/name calling from my view. Quit being so dense;)

02-Aug-18
H4W, what is the body count for Jesuit terrorism this century?

Does molestation count as terrorism to you, or just the victim? Honestly, the Vatican will have to answer that.

My point Tony is Islam is behind Christianity in modernization no doubt, but they both need to continue improving. To assume Islam is going to remain on the same trajectory is a mistake.

There are many Muslims working with different government and private entities trying to ferret out the radicals here. Big Bear probably will neither confirm or deny that, but I have wondered if that is not also part of his reason to challenge some of what has been said.

Thanks for this discussion. I am at the farm doing a bunch of tractor work and seat time is great to ponder various issues.

02-Aug-18
Your video above, no doubt Muslims have congregated in certain areas, like Dearborn.

This is nothing different than the various ethnic enclaves I was familiar with growing up in Cleveland, and still exist in many cities today. People that share things in common culturally seek each other out. It is natural.

Like Trax said, this will only become an issue IF a certain culture tries to force their ways on the rest of us.

From: RK
02-Aug-18
Rocky

If I'm ever on an airplane I hope you are there to "make their lamps go dark" Question? How do you recognize a Muslim on the airplane? Are they brown,black,yellow,white?

Last one I sat next to while flying to Cabo to fish was a green eyed smoking hot blonde headed to Cabo for a bachelorette party for her best friend. Wedding was going to be in a Dallas Mosque two weeks later

Lots of things crossed my mind while talking with her but knocking her out was not one of them.

just curious??

From: tonyo6302
02-Aug-18
"so in his mind it is OK"

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Clairvoyant, now, are we? Reading minds now?

Did you come up with that body count from Jesuits yet, H4W? Or are you just continuing on your lineage on this thread of character assasination?

"He didn't say it in this thread, he said it in a previous thread. "

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I certainly do not have time to read every thread, I will take you at your word on that. Spike did indeed apologize. Believe it or not, KPC, I do not read every thread on Bowsite.

H4W, for some reason you seem to think that I am being selective. I have not a clue where you get that, or is that a subtle attempt at another character assassination?

So from that comment (selective) I take it that your view of Islamic History differs from mine. Care to explain your viewpoint on Islamic history?

From: sleepyhunter
02-Aug-18
Ellison opposes the right of free speech. That in itself makes him unfit to hold any public office in the USA. In this case his Muslim faith doesn't matter. That said many voters will not trust him because of his faith. There has been too many terrorist acts.

From: tonyo6302
02-Aug-18

tonyo6302's Link
"There has been too many terrorist acts."

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I agree sleepyhunter, and do not think you are a bigot for saying so. I also do not think you are being selective, nor do I wish to impune your character for your opinion.

https://www.heritage.org/terrorism/report/60-terrorist-plots-911-continued-lessons-domestic-counterterrorism

At the linky above, 60 Terrorist Plots Since 9/11: Continued Lessons in Domestic Counterterrorism.

02-Aug-18
Tony,

Answered everything above. You were probably typing.

Character assisination, is that like Islam assisination, or is this another selective categorization?

From: tonyo6302
02-Aug-18
If you read number 7 at the above link, "7. Virginia Jihad Network—June 2003. Eleven men were arrested in Alexandria, Virginia, " that just happens to be about 35 miles north of my home, and about 8 miles from the Mosque in Fairfax, that has been busted more than once for preaching Jihad against America.

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I hope all this Islamic extremism goes away. I am just not going to bet the farm on it.

From: BIG BEAR
02-Aug-18
Sleepy..... You trusted Barack Hussein OBama to be the President of the United States..... You voted for him twice..... Just sayin......

From: tonyo6302
02-Aug-18
Again, H4W, you have been the one to impugn my character and integrity - for the simple reason that we do no agree with each other.

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Enjoy the day on your farm, and watch out for snakes!

Caveat: No, I am not bigoted against snakes, it is just that there is this 1500 year history with Copperheads in the Old Dominion . . . . . . . . and I have my own opinion.

From: Trax
02-Aug-18
Ellison is a Louie Farrakhan wanna be. A racist leftist America hating swine. A perfect match with todays Democrap Party.

02-Aug-18
Tony,

You chide myself and others for drawing conclusions based on what a person has written over a period of time.

Now you admit to not having read some posts that we did. See the problem. That is being selective, though not by choice probably.

From: bigeasygator
02-Aug-18
Back to the original post...when Jerry Falwell tried to censor Larry Flynt, or when Sheriff Nicholas Navarro tried to censor 2 Live Crew, were they trying to implement sharia, too?

02-Aug-18
Tony,

You have done the same to others. Read yet again your comment towards BB I posted. Yes, you may have veiled your harsh criticism, but that is just a function of style. I have always been more direct.

There are some folks on here that segregation and lynchings happened during their lifetime. "Good" christians no doubt amongst the supporters of those practices, they found ways to square it with their religion. Very few outside the KKK condone those practices today. We grew, so are Muslims.

All terrorism is unacceptable.

To be clear, I specifically said I thought on this issue you displayed a lack of integrity. If you want to be a liberal and play victim, go ahead. (See how that works.)

Your comment regarding BB is no different, except that he is not whining.

I am not a bigot towards whiners. There were some in the Old Testament, so that is 2000 plus years ago.

02-Aug-18
For the record, I don't believe I ever said: "and Spike posted police would not go into Dearborn,...".

If I remember correctly I said that there were neighborhoods that were no-go zones in Dearborn. A little different, and never said any such a thing in this thread.

It seems that parsing details is only good sport for the few.

From: BIG BEAR
02-Aug-18
Correct..... You said Sharia Law is in effect in parts of Dearborn and there were no go zones for the Police in those areas in Dearborn.....

From: bigeasygator
02-Aug-18
Y'all...I'm putting parts of sharia in effect RIGHT NOW! I decided to stop drinking alcohol. For me, sharia ends in four hours.

02-Aug-18
And Big Bear, you said that was not true, correct? The police go any where they are called.

From: sleepyhunter
02-Aug-18
""Sleepy..... You trusted Barack Hussein OBama to be the President of the United States..... ""

What does that have to do with Ellison being opposed to free speech? Aren't Police officers supposed to have their facts straight before making a decision to enforce the law? BB you're looking more like a Keystone Cop than a Police Officer in today's world.

From: BIG BEAR
02-Aug-18
It was a response to your statement that many voters will not trust him due to his faith...... You didn’t have a problem with Obama’s faith when you voted for him..... that was my only point.....

From: K Cummings
02-Aug-18
"You said Sharia Law is in effect in parts of Dearborn and there were no go zones for the Police in those areas in Dearborn..... "

You are correct BB, and Dearborn wasn't the only place. Supposedly there were similar areas in Dallas, Sioux Falls, and Wichita. There might be more, but that's all that come to mind.

KPC

From: Rocky
02-Aug-18
RK, If you are a Muslim on an airplane and are sitting next to me and the pen don't show, adios. If you are on the plane and are not a Muslim but feel strong that day and the need to interject and want to be the protector of all things Muslim, adios amigo. See ya, wouldn't want to be ya. Where is all this faith and defense of Muslim's coming from? You people need another brick to fall on your head just to wake you up from the last disastrous slumber? Oh. I see. That would never happen again.. Like it never would have happened, but surprise, it did. You think these people like us. They like our money and 45% of Muslims living in Dearborn MI. are on the welfare rolls and not just one welfare program but many. That money could be lifting the poor and forgotten American children off the streets, money better spent and invested in the American way of life. Americans have had enough of this B.S and the closet socialist here can follow them right off the cliff. More money saved and better spent. This is America, the great melting pot and Muslims are immigrants like any other modern day immigrant. Yes, coming in for a free ride. Btw.... I don't know what a Muslim looks like but I know this. Sean O' Grady the freckled face red headed accountant in the pin striped suit would allow me some shuteye on the plane. ;-)

The Rock

From: bigeasygator
02-Aug-18
Way too many ridiculous statements to touch in that last post there, Rocky, but I’ll choose this one. Muslims are not immigrants. They are followers of a religion. Muslims were part of the first great wave of New World immigrants in the 17th and 18th centuries. Muslims in this country are immigrants in the same way we are all immigrants. My family is mostly Italian. We still hold onto many traditions from the Old Country. They have come to America for many reasons, just like all of our ancestors have. Maybe you call it standing up for Muslims...I call it standing against ignorant drivel.

From: tonyo6302
02-Aug-18
"To be clear, I specifically said I thought on this issue you displayed a lack of integrity."

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Because my opinion differs from yours. Thanks for proving my point.

"except that he is not whining. "

Oh the irony, LOL! Thanks again for proving my point.

H4W, did you come up with that number of U. S. Citizens killed by the Jesuit terrorism?

Have you found a Jesuit community that attacks in great detail the American way of life, and wants to substitute Jesuit Doctrine in place of the Constitution, or make Jesuit Doctrine enforceable on all Citizens regardless of religion?

From: tonyo6302
02-Aug-18
"the first great wave of New World immigrants in the 17th and 18th centuries. "

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I would love to read about this "Great Wave" of Islam into the United States in the 17th and 18th Centuries. I had read that the Queen of Spain had put an end to the Moors prior to Columbus. I will admit I am not a Scholar of History, just a student. Do you have any references that support the "Great Wave" ?????

From: RK
02-Aug-18
Perfect Rocky

What the heck are flying commercial airlines for anyway

You are Ivy League boy. Private flights only !

From: bigeasygator
02-Aug-18

bigeasygator's Link
I said Muslims were part of the first great wave of immigrants to this country, not that there was a great wave of Muslim immigrants. Point being Muslims can trace their roots in this country longer than many people on this thread can. Feel free to read the linked Smithsonian article on early Muslims in America. You can read how they’ve been coming to this country since the 1500s and how Muslims fought on the side of America in the Revolutionary War.

02-Aug-18
Tony,

Oh the lunacy.

Yes, child molestation is part of the American way of life? Too much Tony.

I see another "just the way you see it differently" interpretation of what was meant by Muslims being part of the Great Wave, not the Wave itself. You prove my point.

From: Trax
02-Aug-18
The first great wave, bigeasyliberal? They were slaves, those for the most part forced here after being bought by others from their native lands. A minute number of them fought the British, so what? What does that have to do with the issues of the day? At the time during and quickly after this developing country had a good relationship with Morocco, that is an interesting fun fact but also has nothing to do with the issue today.

From: Rocky
02-Aug-18
Defend America and the immigrants that built this nation and lavish the praise upon them that no other immigrants in their numbers could ever match or ever have contributed. Applaud their courage, values, tradition, craftsmanship and pride they carried to BETTER this nation which would still be on horseback without them. Their blood and bones have been sacrificed and stacked to fill the coffers of which modern immigrants climb and leech. Muslims have no place or breath as do European immigrants in regards to the greatness of this nation. You have no shame to mention these malcontents in that same breath who asked for nothing but a chance to prove themselves without help because they fit under the modern title of immigrants. All who come to America today are socially accepted government backed invaders who suck off her teat as I said before. They do not deserve the title of immigrant.

That is not fiction or some feel good story about a Muslim who may have fixed your flat tire and in the process is heaped upon with praise for them all. That is the truth.

The Rock

The Rock

From: Grey Ghost
02-Aug-18
Well, that was certainly worth 2 signatures.

Matt

From: RK
02-Aug-18
Rock You are right. There are bad Muslims for sure. Anybody that thinks differently is an idiot

BUT if we are going to group people let's be honest How many Americans died at the hands of Italians. How many allied troops were slaughtered by those pizza makers. Let's hate these people as a group. Ok Rocky

How many thousands of Americans were killed by nazis Huns etc. Let's hate these people as a group. Ok Rock

How about the Japenese. Let's hate these too Rock

The French The mexicans Oh let's not forget the British 4500 patriots killed let's hate all of these people to Rock

Sorry but the Muslims are just the hated de jour

It's kind of fun when you really think through it all

From: bigeasygator
02-Aug-18
Lol, try and keep up SZ. Rocky made an ignorant statement about the history of Muslims in this country. I stated a fact that they’ve been in this country for hundreds of years. Tony asked for evidence. I provided it. It is relevant as a counter to the nonsense and fiction that Rock keeps posting.

And to the Rock, who is now in the lead of a race no one wants to win, I’d love for you to share your thoughts with one of my current teammates. He’s from Iraq, immigrated here as a student, earned his doctorate, has worked 30 years for my company, and has become a US citizen along the way. I work with dozens of Muslims with similar stories. Would love for you to look them in the eye and share your perverted version of America with them and then get laughed out of the building.

From: TD
02-Aug-18
I just want to thank them for their great contributions to NASA and our space program......

From: BIG BEAR
02-Aug-18
I’m pretty sure there’s a few people living on reservations that hate all of us too.....

From: slade
03-Aug-18
What does living on a reservation have to do with anything, other than showing you are a bigot with your stereotype.

From: Woods Walker
03-Aug-18

Woods Walker's embedded Photo
Woods Walker's embedded Photo

03-Aug-18
I didn't know NASA did not hire Muslims. Really learn a lot on threads like this.

BEG, Rocky may be in the lead, but the race appears to be tightening.

From: sleepyhunter
03-Aug-18

sleepyhunter's Link
Muslim accomplishments.

From: sleepyhunter
03-Aug-18

sleepyhunter's Link
Another Muslim attack.

From: sleepyhunter
03-Aug-18

sleepyhunter's Link

From: BIG BEAR
03-Aug-18
Woods Walker....... There are over 600,000 abortions a year in America........ Are all Americans responsible for those abortions ??? That is the same logic some of you are using when you hold all Muslims responsible for the acts of Radical Islamic Terrorists.........

I know..... I know....... scarecrow/straw man..... whatever you call it.....

From: Rocky
03-Aug-18
HFW,

Thank You. Finally a compliment. No matter its intention. In this matter I would hope to retain it. BEG. In the big picture Muslims have done squat to further America historically. Get a grip and tighten the towel you hide so well around your head. If any of your Muslims friends want to debate me then give them the shot but tell them to strap those sandals high right up to their groin because I will be going after them.They won't be talking to you huggy bear. They will be talking to me and what I have to offer would not be pleasant. People make me laugh: I know a Muslim who can......I know a Muslim who is the greatest....I work with two Muslims who would......You don't know these people because you are very much unlike their culture. Then again maybe goggles and a scarf ARE in your future. September 11, 2001 the Trade Center Collapses. April 3rd, 2018. Hug a Muslim Day. I will pass until your ilk votes them in as President. Then I will move to the middle east where I will be safe.

RK, Don't be a idiot. You are speaking of present day allies who have contributed to America. Without the German Von Braun captured in WW2 and his knowledge of secret weapons we would be attempting to break the sound barrier today, not landing on planet's. If not for the Italian Enrico Fermi in Chicago the Japanese may never had surrendered and many more Americans would have been buried. I know this though. There would be two building in NY still standing and 3300 souls with families and children with a future walking our streets. The results of Islamic Muslim Extremists deep seated hatred for Americans who just want to be Americans. Of course under their own rules of engagement. The Rock The Rock

The Rock

From: tonyo6302
03-Aug-18
BEG,

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Forced slavery is not immigration, you proved nothing. However, I thank you for the link, it was very educational, and something I had not heard of before.

Thanks again, BEG for the Link.

H4W, let us all know when you ever have facts, instead of feelings, to add to the thread.

RK, you entire post is straw man arguments. You should start your own thread, your post certainly is not germane to this one.

From: BIG BEAR
03-Aug-18
I like straw man arguments.... They really seem to annoy you........

From: BIG BEAR
03-Aug-18
Here’s another straw man argument for you Tony.......

After Pearl Harbor...... Our Government rounded up 110,000 Americans in California. Oregon and Washington,, and placed them into detention camps..... They were Japanese Americans....

Is that what we should have done with all Muslim Americans after 9/11 ??? Is that what President Bush should have done ???

From: Grey Ghost
03-Aug-18
"Tell me they are not interested in implementing Sharia at their earliest convenience!"

Back to the original topic.

Spike, what evidence do you have that Congressman Ellison wants to implement Sharia Law?

Matt

From: sleepyhunter
03-Aug-18

sleepyhunter's Link
Another piece of history

From: Will
03-Aug-18
I've had good interactions with many American Muslim's in college and high school well prior to 9/11, and since. Tell you what though... Not to go off course to far... sitting in the waiting room at Dana Farber or hanging out at Boston Childrens, watching your kid with cancer play with 100% joy with Muslim (and folks of other religions, races, etc), while you all share in the horrific experience of knowing your kid could be the next one to lose their life to a terrible disease. KNOWING your kid's are going through stuff that is brutal and horrible, just for a shot at hitting 5 years old... You see clearly that race, religion, etc, mean diddly squat.

Humanity means a lot.

Caring about people - for real, not because a book of any text suggests it - means a lot.

And people fundamentally, are good.

Our son lived through that and we occasionally see some of those same families at his follow up. It's awesome!

And we see or learn that some of those families little warrior's lost the battle. And those families handle it just like "we" hope "we" all would.

Sure, there are A-Holes in the world - coming from every "group". But no one group has the monopoly on it. Strip people down to the basic, important stuff, and we are all way more the same than different. That has to play a role in why things like Maslow's Hierarchy and Self Determination Theory cross all borders of humanity in their application.

I cant stay all serious though... I did forget one group we should all agree on that are just terrible human beings. Jet's fans. Ugh! ;) (KIDDING)

From: tonyo6302
03-Aug-18
BIG BEAR,

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Oh for goodness sakes. Rounding up Americans of Japanese descent was unconstitutional and wrong. Tyoko Rose, an american citizen, was an abhorition.

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I have not read on the Bowsite of anyone claiming Americans of Muslim faith be rounded up and sent to Manzanar. I am sure that if it happend, KPC would let us know.

Gunnery Sgt. Joseph Felix is serving time in jail for violating the Standard Operating Procedure of the Recruit Training Regiment Marine Corps Recruit Depot Parris Island, for violating his sworn oath on how to train and treat recruits, and for violations of the Uniform Code of Military Justice. I probably can guess that JTV despises the man, but as a man who holds the Diploma for, and the qualifications of a USMC MOS 8511, I can assure you I am glad he is in jail.

H4W has proclaimed himself to be a mind reader, so maybe you can ask him how JTV feels about the Gunny.

Are you happy now?

You should be, as H4W and RK have surpassed you for strawman arguments, and you are now in 3rd place.

:^)

From: BIG BEAR
03-Aug-18
Thank you,,,, I’ll work on it.

From: tonyo6302
03-Aug-18
LOL !

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;^)

From: BIG BEAR
03-Aug-18
Also Woods Walker...... 60 Muslim Americans died in the 9/11 attacks....... I’m quite certain their families feel the same way about Radical Islamic Terrorists as you and I do.

From: tonyo6302
03-Aug-18
So then BIG BEAR, what about those Muslims that were saved from genocide in Bosnia by U.S. Military Forces, just for them to turn around and join Al-Qaeda, go to Fallujah, and kill the very same people who saved them?

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Why is it the Islamic Community doesn't seem to give America credit for stopping the genocide in Europe?

03-Aug-18
I am in first or second place? I have never been first in anything.

I BET I will make your next list when your superiority complex forces you to point out all of our faults again. Before you call me a mind reader, think about your list. You did exactly what you are accusing me and others of.

Straw man arguments are not getting through, maybe that will.

Tony, you are the one who is factually challenged, all the way back to referring us to a ridiculous video. And when you are given other examples, you write them off as people having different opinions.

I will repeat, you accused me of drawing a conclusion with regards to Spike, not knowing all of the history of his posts. You continue to be critical, even though you lacked facts that others had.

So, I guess you can be critical without all of the facts, because you are superior? Notice, it is a question, please answer.

I brought up the Catholic priest because I have a close family member who experienced what no one should. Others brought different examples to make the same point I believe you are missing. Muslims do not have a monopoly on causing atrocities.

There is no moral equivalence argument here. You SEEM to me to be willing to ignore evils committed by others in this debate because you see Muslim atrocities as worse.

What some of us see as bigotry is a willingness to ignore all except for those acts committed by Muslims. Further, it SEEMS there is a willingness to dump all Muslims together, something not done with other groups.

Tony, you can continue to criticize, but you sir are the one thinking emotionally. BB example of the Japanese internment is a poignant one. Hind sight is 20/20, but would any of us have spoken out against it? I recently had a retired Army Intelligence officer tell me why that was justified, that most Japanese were loyal to the Emperor, he was thought of as a god. So, what I perceived as a righteous attitude from you about that example not having any relevancy to this discussion, I believe it is quite comparable.

I hoped I used words that allowed you to see I was sharing my OPINION? Do not want to offend you again, I did not realize how sensitive you were;)

From: BIG BEAR
03-Aug-18
Tony.... there are people of all races and ethnicities taking up with the Taliban..... Any and all Americans that do so should be hung.

03-Aug-18
Tony,

Do you know of any Muslims that were saved in Europe, and then became members of terrorist groups? Please tell us how many?

It doesn't "seem" the Islamic group gave us credit, does not make that a fact right? But just putting it out there helps your argument I suppose?

Your last post proves to me you have double standards at play.

BTW, if I remember correctly, there was a failure to lead in Bosnia, which delayed action for some time while bodies continued to pile up. Just maybe it is tough for some to be grateful because family members were killed while the free world hesitated?

From: bigeasygator
03-Aug-18
Spot on, Will.

From: tonyo6302
03-Aug-18
H4W, again, your last two posts are void of any facts. Just your opinions.

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You still cannot seem to link a Jesuit flogging himself to Islamic extremists - but hey - that was your analogy. You still cannot provide a body count caused by Jesuit Doctrine. You still cannot privide any testimony of a Jesuit Doctrine movement to overcome or be a higher "Law of the land" than the Constitution.

You make so many claims about me in your last two posts that simply are not true. It is not even worth cutting, pasting, and commenting on. You are all feelings and void of facts, and full horrible analogies. I will give you an A for effort though, and you are in the lead for the most straw man arguments.

BIG BEAR,

"Tony.... there are people of all races and ethnicities taking up with the Taliban..... Any and all Americans that do so should be hung. "

Try to think about what all these ethnicities have in common - (Hint - it is a religion)

From: tonyo6302
03-Aug-18
By the way, BIG BEAR, the Taliban and Al-Qaeda are two different groups.

03-Aug-18
Again, you just did what you accused me of.

So, tell us how many Muslims saved in Europe entered terrorist organizations?

And again, you are disingenuous, or lack critical thinking skills, and I am being kind.

"You still cannot seem to link a Jesuit flogging himself to Islamic extremists - but hey - that was your analogy. "

I never tried to link the two. What I said is people of Christian faith continue to grow, and so will Muslims. The Jesuit example was given to show that in just my lifetime alone, practices done by members of Christianity that today we find abhorrent and eliminated, the Muslim faith we should expect will do the same. And based on a very recent Vatican announcement, there is much more work still to be done purging pedophile priests.

You are a bright guy, why do you refuse to accept all points given to you as opinion? It is a fact Jesuits do not flog themselves today, or are not required to. It is a fact what the Vatican announced.

From: BIG BEAR
03-Aug-18
We can go around in circles all day long every day Tony and neither of us will budge on our opinions....... so let me finish my time wasted on this thread with this...........

Yes I acknowledge that the religion of the terrorists that committed the horrible attacks of 9/11 is Islam........ Yes I acknowledge that Radical Islamic Terrorism is a threat to the world.........

But I don’t hold law abiding Muslim Americans accountable for that any more than I hold all Catholics accountable for a handful of priests raping little boys.......

Did that put me in the straw man lead ??????

Peace and thank you for your service to our nation !!

From: tonyo6302
03-Aug-18
H4W, it was thought that less than 1000 of the insurgents during the First battle of Fallujah were from Europe. Global Security website has some info for ya, and my Step Son who faught that battle with 2nd Recon Battalion cleared buildings holding both Slavic Terrorists, and Chechenian Terrorists. Most of the other insurgents came from countries surrounding Iraq.

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The insurgents from Europe were trained soldiers - not the run of the mill Iraqis.

Appreciate your facts on the Jesuits. I will look it up. I never knew a Jesuit Priest, but the Navy got their first prior to my discharge. All the Catholic Priests I met while active duty were Roman Catholic.

Glad you hear you were not trying to link Jesuits to Terrorists. That is what I understood from you analogy. Thanks for clearing that up.

As far as how many home grown Europeans have joined ISIS or Al-Quada is debatable, and you can find many different opinions, and even published books on line.

From: Trax
03-Aug-18
I admit, I skim some posts and skip others on threads like these. Just trying to find the meat and potatoes.

"from Iraq, immigrated here as a student, earned his doctorate, has worked 30 years for my company, and has become a US citizen along the way."

You don't have to have an advanced degree to have this same value, and yes I realize most of you know that. If this same person worked as a laborer in a factory he would have the same value, the same as any of us. The key here is "here legally, following our laws, accepting and tolerating our customs, supporting themselves, honoring our Constitution and foundation, condemning those who don't do all of the above. Many do. Many don't. This thread I think is concerned with those that don't.

03-Aug-18
Tony,

I appreciate your change in approach here, I will do the same.

Jesuits are Catholics. We always referred to them as the'Marines of priesthood', out of respect. Robin and I were married in her Catholic church (I was from a different Catholic Church) and Jesuit priest Father John Liederbach performed the marital vows. He could only do this if he was Catholic.

Thank you and your son for your service! With respect, allow me to point out one thing, your last paragraph. You do state there are varying opinions as to the numbers etc. You did use this as a point you made previously. Much of life from my perspective is opinion based on our experiences.

That said, I do see terrorism of the 9-11 scale being related almost exclusively to those who believe in Muslim faith, and some others attracted for a variety of sick reasons.

Tony, where I am uncomfortable is when it SEEMED TO ME on this thread all Muslims are lumped together. The Bible clearly tells us we will be judged by what's in our hearts. One for certain fact, none of us know what is in another's heart.

My apology for my style, at times my Christian values lose out to something they shouldn't. But, I have always reacted coming to a person's defense if I think they were being picked on, always. Maybe I am a little liberal after all. Thanks.

From: bigeasygator
03-Aug-18
"You still cannot provide a body count caused by Jesuit Doctrine"

I'm not following this line of logic. You are comparing apples to oranges. You are comparing an extremist branch of a religion to a non-extremist branch of a religion. There are quite literally billions of Muslims who do not commit acts of terror - they have not rung up a body count just as Jesuits are not ringing up a body count.

From: bigeasygator
03-Aug-18
It all started with a dumb original post, SZ. He brought up an example of someone with an extreme view on censorship that had nothing to do with Islam or sharia and somehow tried to link them both. There are plenty of Christians who don't follow our laws, who disrespect others rights, who don't honor our Constitution (far more than the number of Muslims, both as a percentage of the population and absolute numbers if I had to guess). Not surprisingly the "all Muslims are bad" faction of the CF have decided to pile on. My comment regarding my colleague was directed at Rocky, who said, and I quote, "Muslims have no place or breath as do European immigrants in regards to the greatness of this nation. You have no shame to mention these malcontents in that same breath who asked for nothing but a chance to prove themselves without help because they fit under the modern title of immigrants. All who come to America today are socially accepted government backed invaders who suck off her teat as I said before. They do not deserve the title of immigrant."

From: Trax
03-Aug-18
I think some of the concerns at play are unfounded and illogical. But, there are concerns that are not.

" There are plenty of Christians who don't follow our laws, who disrespect others rights, who don't honor our Constitution (far more than the number of Muslims, both as a percentage of the population and absolute numbers if I had to guess)."

Can not dispute this, nobody can. There is accountability for these people, Christian or not. But these criminals or anarchists or apathetic morons do not necessarily want to destroy America or our way of life as a directive and implant their own. I think the concern of this thread is based on what is happening in a number of other countries right now, what is happening in some of our own hoods right now. There are good Muslims in this country and I tend to believe that they make up the vast majority of them. Those that follow the principles I highlighted above. The difference is that while plenty of Christians and other native born Americans break our laws and dishonor our Constitution not many of these perps have a hatred for this country and its principles to the point where they want to torch it. Applaud when it and its people are attacked. Practice customs that we find intolerable if not illegal. See the vast majority of us as infidels. They may presently be the vast minority, but this does exist as well.

From: TD
03-Aug-18

TD's Link
Here's the link for ya H4W. Where did I put those pom-poms..... just had em a minute ago....

All Muslims bad.... no. I'm sure at least in the US it would be a very tiny minority. OTOH..... there are enough throughout the world that support the "jihad", you would really have to be an idiot to ignore such facts. That there are sects or cells here in the US now is an undeniable fact. But we have deniers who would advert their own eyes to it. They even refuse to seen what is happening in Europe right now. "But this isn't Europe" does nothing to change the fact the same thing can happen here, especially with a big segment with blinders on. I prefer eyes wide open and facts. Vigilance. Have to admit...... I'm not very vigilant when it's Mormons...... a little more with Catholics though.....

Comparisons made here seem to come down to "well, yeah, but Christians do bad things too! " Then go on to list things like OK City bombing and such. First, you folks KNOW that was not done in the name of Jesus. Secondly..... we caught his azz and fried it. We do so with every whacko, that they claim to do it for God or not. Something like that happens and there is condemnation from nearly everywhere, some Churches the loudest. When I see that happening at Mosques in Islamist countries, instead of recruiting them, training and supporting them..... then I might see the religion as coming along, civilized step by civilized step. But I see very little push back against the "jihadists" in the US for that matter. I must have missed the last Muslim protest march against the MB, radical clerics, Fort Hood shooters etc..... but I do understand that a few people have privately warned authorities of radical plans and behaviors. That's a step in the right direction at least, and should be acknowledged. When peace and love for all mankind are preached at Mosques around the world there will be hope.

There are a relative handful of Muslims in the US. Even if ALL of them to a person were American loving apple pie eaters they are a but tears in the river to the millions and millions that support "jihad" and terrorist attacks, wipe out the Jews, etc. Things that are preached daily at Mosques around the world. And literally have specific plans laid out by several groups to infiltrate and take over entire countries from within. The classic phrase being "we will use their own system to beat them." This is as religion specific as it gets, it is a religiously based hate. Ain't the Mormons or the Buddhists hating. But please, lets not name any religions who are doing this..... as we speak.... there are just bad people..... not screwed up hateful religions......

If that isn't disturbing to you I have no idea what would be. If you want to play blind to it all, do so at your expense, not mine.

From: bigeasygator
03-Aug-18
We had a shooting here a week ago in NOLA. Three dead, seven more injured. Thirty-four shot in this city in the last two weeks.

When was the last terror attack in the name of Islam in this country? More people are killed by falling TVs (by far) than radical Islamist terrorists in this country every year. Sorry, but of the things that I worry about when it comes to my safety, my families safety, or the safety and security of the people and institutions of this country, radical Islam hardly registers.

From: slade
03-Aug-18
President Barack Obama stated in Cairo, Egypt, June 4, 2009: “When the first Muslim American was recently elected to Congress, he took the oath to defend our Constitution using the … Holy Quran.”

The dilemma is: How can one swear to defend something upon a book that promotes the opposite?

The First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution states that Congress shall make no law prohibiting the free exercise of religion, yet the Quran states in Sura 4:89, “Those who reject Islam must be killed. If they turn back (from Islam), take hold of them and kill them wherever you find them.”

In Hadith Sahih al-Bukhari (Vol. 9, Book 84, No. 57), Muhammad said: “Whoever changes his Islamic religion, kill him.”

Islamic law relegates non-Muslims to “dhimmi” status, where they are not to propagate their customs amongst Muslims and cannot display a Cross or a Star of David.

The First Amendment states Congress shall not abridge “the freedom of speech,” yet Islamic law enforces dhimmi status on non-Muslims, prohibiting them from observing their religious practices publicly, raising their voices during prayer or ringing church bells.

The First Amendment states Congress cannot take away “the right of the people to peaceably assemble,” yet Islamic law states non-Muslims cannot build any new places of worship or repair any old places Muslims have destroyed; they must allow Muslims to participate in their private meetings; they cannot bring their dead near the graveyards of Muslims or mourn their dead loudly.

The First Amendment states Congress cannot take away the right of the people “to petition the Government for a redress of grievances,” yet Islamic law states non-Muslims are not to harbor any hostility toward the Islamic state or give comfort to those who disagree with Islamic government.

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The Second Amendment states, “The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed,” yet Islamic law states non-Muslims cannot possess arms, swords or weapons of any kind.

The Third Amendment states one cannot be forced to “quarter” someone in their house, yet Islamic law states non-Muslims must entertain and feed for three days any Muslim who wants to stay in their home, and for a longer period if the Muslim falls ill – and they cannot prevent Muslim travelers from staying in their places of worship.

The Fourth Amendment guarantees “the right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects against unreasonable searches and seizures,” yet Islamic law states if a non-Muslim rides on a horse with a saddle and bridle, the horse can be taken away.

The Fifth Amendment states that “no person shall be held to answer for a capital or otherwise infamous crime … without due process of law,” yet Muhammad said, “No Muslim should be killed for killing a Kafir (infidel)” (Hadith Sahih al-Bukhari, Vol. 9, No. 50).

The Sixth Amendment guarantees a “public trial by an impartial jury” and the Seventh Amendment states “the right of trial by jury shall be preserved,” yet Islamic law does not give non-Muslims equal legal standing with Muslims, even prohibiting a non-Muslim from testifying in court against a Muslim.

The Eighth Amendment states there shall be no “cruel and unusual punishments inflicted,” yet the Quran states:

“Cut off the hands of thieves, whether they are male or female, as punishment for what they have done – a deterrent from Allah” (Sura 5:38).

A raped woman is punished:

“The woman and the man guilty of adultery or fornication – flog each of them with a hundred stripes” (Sura 24:2).

Women can be beaten:

“If you experience rebellion from the women, you shall first talk to them, then (you may use negative incentives like) deserting them in bed, then you may (as a last alternative) beat them” (Sura 4:34).

Honor killings of wives and daughters who have embarrassed their families have been reported by the United Nations in Muslim populations of Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, Morocco, Pakistan, Syria, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Yemen and increasing in Western nations.

The 13th Amendment states there shall be no “slavery or involuntary servitude,” yet the Quran accommodates slavery as Muhammad owned slaves.

The 14th Amendment guarantees citizens “equal protection of the laws,” yet the Quran does not consider Jews, Christians and other non-Muslims as equal to Muslims before the law.

Referring to Jews as “the People of the Book,” Muhammad said: “They are those whom Allah has cursed; who have been under his wrath; some of whom were turned into apes and swine” (Sura 5:60, 7:166, 2:65).

The 15th Amendment guarantees “the right of the citizens … to vote shall not be denied … on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude,” yet the fundamentalist interpretation of Islamic law does not allow voting, as democracy is considered people setting themselves in the place of Allah by making their own laws.

The 16th Amendment has some similarities with Islamic law, as “Congress shall have the power to lay and collect taxes on incomes from whatever source derived.” Muhammad said, “Fight those who believe not in Allah … until they pay the jizya [tax] with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued” (Sura 9:29).

The 18th Amendment has some similarities with Islamic law, as “the manufacture, sale, or transportation of intoxicating liquors … for beverage purposes is hereby prohibited.”

The 19th Amendment allows women to vote, yet in strict Islamic countries women cannot vote.

The 21st Amendment allows for the sale of liquor, yet Islamic law prohibits non-Muslims from selling or drinking wine and liquor openly.

One would assume that to swear upon a book implies believing what is in that book.

As Muhammad was not just a religious leader, but also a political and military leader, Islam is not just a religious system, but also a political and military system.

Since no one has the authority to demand Muslims worldwide cease imitating the political/military example of Muhammad, when Muslims bow in prayer they are also pledging political/military allegiance to Mecca.

Swearing to defend the U.S. Constitution upon a Quran that promotes different values is a dilemma worthy of a presidential explanation.

From: K Cummings
03-Aug-18
Slade:

When the OP started a similar thread on Sharia no-go zones some time ago, you stated the following:

"Good grief. The Sky is Always Falling Claptrap like this "No Go Zones in Texas" has about as much truth to it as fairy dust, unicorn farts..."

Have you changed your mind?

KPC

From: Woods Walker
03-Aug-18

Woods Walker's embedded Photo
Woods Walker's embedded Photo

From: slade
04-Aug-18
That would be no pontificator , but nice try weasel.

From: K Cummings
04-Aug-18
"That would be no..."

Name calling aside (and we all know why people resort to that tactic), would the "no" mean you haven't changed your mind on the subject, or does the "no" mean you don't want to answer the question, or does the "no" mean something else?

KPC

04-Aug-18
Great post, slade!

From: K Cummings
04-Aug-18
By the way slade, next time you do a direct cut an paste of someone else's work, please post a link, or at least give them credit so we know who's actual thoughts are being posted.

KPC

From: Rocky
04-Aug-18

slade, Continue on.

The Rock

04-Aug-18
Rock,

I thought Kevin delivered a standing eight count, but it looks more like a TKO for plagiarism. ;)

Or if we use the LeBron example, it was a slam dunk.

Baseball...Kevin went yard.

From: Grey Ghost
04-Aug-18
I asked:

Spike, what evidence do you have that Congressman Ellison wants to implement Sharia Law?

Spike's response.............(crickets)

That's what I thought.

Matt

From: slade
04-Aug-18
Sorry , no knockout . I do it all of the time to twist the pontificating weasels panties so he can huff and puff with his got ya twaddle strutting around looking for his participation trophy and back slaps from fellow claptripes.

If one was to spend as much time paying attention as they do appeasing it would be more than obvious.

04-Aug-18
Actually Slade I mentioned in a PM to Kevin that you do that on a regular basis. Not much original thought, just steal what others have said. So, carry on....

04-Aug-18
So sorry, GG, didn't mean to ignore you. The answer is none. Do you have any evidence he doesn't? Or wouldn't? I assume anyone who professes to be Muslim accepts the basic tenets of the Koran and would love to see sharia as it is an integral part of that system. We have a very different understanding of religion than Islamists do many do not understand their thinking even as it is displayed countless times in countless countries throughout history.

From: slade
04-Aug-18
Oh my, I am the topic of The Pontificating Critical Thought Police private messages, talk about conspiracy ninny's. No doubt ye claptripes wet yourselves while dancing with glee, high fiving each other for glory. Thanks for the free rent the weasel keeps posting doesn't exist.

But please carry on and keep spinning and twisting.

From: K Cummings
04-Aug-18
"Not much original thought, just steal what others have said..."

Exactly.

I respect anyone that is willing to offer an original thought, even if it is diametrically opposed to what I believe, as long as they are somewhat capable of supporting it with facts.

Unlike some, who can only post links, or even worse, plagiarize what others have written (most often from questionable "news" sites), and when asked to support it, resort to name calling, bluster, posting memes, and back slapping with people of the same ilk.

They apparently think nobody notices.

KPC

04-Aug-18
Looks like your panties are the ones tied in a knot now, lol.

You could have shortened your last post to about twelve meaningless words if you would have removed all the childish name calling. ;)

From: slade
04-Aug-18
But then thy claptripes would have nothing to whine about...........

But please keep spinning,twisting, italicizing , digging thru old posts, and sending PM's to each other like 7 grade girls and the free rent.

04-Aug-18
Name calling is below 7th grade Slade.

From: tonyo6302
04-Aug-18
Good posts, TD and Slade.

04-Aug-18
Great post Kevin!

;)

From: Rocky
04-Aug-18
HBW,

"I mentioned in a PM to Kevin".... ....off your knee's. You PM and them mention in a public post your PM? You are embarrassing yourself. Are you telling me you can't find a Muslim to prop up and keep you occupied?

The Rock

04-Aug-18
Rock,

I remember reading you and Kevin PMing each other, and it was not pleasant. I receive and send PMs for a number of reasons, obviously so do others.

Did they teach you to think before writing at that Ivy league University?

From: Woods Walker
04-Aug-18
Well seeing as taqiyya is a basic tenet of Islam, then you really can't believe anything they say in regards to Islam.

04-Aug-18
Exactly, WW!

From: Rocky
04-Aug-18
HFW, Maybe you should have applied for one of "those" Ivy League schools. The results could well indeed be telling. KPC and I never revealed our PM in public concerning our contentions over that single issue,and as much as this hurts way down low to admit it, I appreciated his position. I am not certain but I believe that was the intention of the letters PM, but somehow that was not taught at your prep school. Why would you PM another than to keep it private? Better for you and your confidence that you did not apply knowing in advance the following correspondence. You seem to be fascinated with the Ivy League and that will be as close as you could have ever achieved in attending and history proves me correct. Maybe you did. Who knows and who cares?

The Rock

From: bigeasygator
04-Aug-18
Spike, have you ever traveled to a Muslim country?

04-Aug-18
John Carroll University for undergraduate, as close as I came. Well ranked, even had ivy growing on the administration building. Lol.

Rock, point is you were critical of my PMing, but now admit you do it yourself. I guess I held my own against an ivy leaguer. But as you say, who cares.

Ponder this though, why would that function exist if no one used it?

That's an example of an asked and simultaneously answered question.

04-Aug-18
Spike, have you ever traveled to a Muslim country?

Not including Dearborn, MI.

;)

From: Grey Ghost
04-Aug-18
Spike,

Thanks for confirming your original post was utter nonsense.

Matt

From: K Cummings
04-Aug-18
"But then thy claptripes would have nothing to whine about..........."

That has a certain familiar ring to it slade. I wonder if spike knows that when you used one like it before...

"Good grief. The Sky is Always Falling Claptrap like this "No Go Zones in Texas" has about as much truth to it as fairy dust, unicorn farts..."

...you were referring to him?

KPC

From: Rocky
05-Aug-18
Try a PM for the answer.

The Rock

From: sleepyhunter
05-Aug-18
Looks like the Mutt is on the verge of tears again. Give KPC his participation trophy before we get another tantrum.

From: K Cummings
05-Aug-18
Thank you Sleepy. I can usually count on you to prove my point.

"I respect anyone that is willing to offer an original thought, even if it is diametrically opposed to what I believe, as long as they are somewhat capable of supporting it with facts.

Unlike some, who can only post links, or even worse, plagiarize what others have written (most often from questionable "news" sites), and when asked to support it, resort to name calling, bluster, posting memes, and back slapping with people of the same ilk."

In that regard, you seldom if ever disappoint.

Much appreciated.

KPC

From: sleepyhunter
05-Aug-18
""Thank you Sleepy. I can usually count on you to prove my point.""

No thanks necessary. You have no point. Your dislike for Spike gets you a beat down every time. It's fun to watch, but you should know better by now. I'll always respond in a positive manner to the people here I respect. If you don't like that, too bad.

From: K Cummings
05-Aug-18
If you're not proving my point sleepy, you're missing it...sometimes simultaneously.

I must admit, not very many people can manage to pull that off.

In that regard, you are quite unique indeed.

For what it's worth, I have no "dislike" for spike. It's hard to actually dislike someone you've never met. I do dislike the promulgation of fake news, whacky conspiracy theories, and outright baseless speculation regardless of who does it. It's unfortunate that you can't recognize the difference.

KPC

From: tonyo6302
05-Aug-18

tonyo6302's Link
More, from the Religion of Peace . . . . .

https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/fatah-mosque-sermon-calls-on-allah-to-slay-non-muslims-one-by-one

Shortly after the 22 July terrorist attack in Canada, a Mosque openly calls on Allah to slay non-muslims "one by one".

From: slade
05-Aug-18

slade's embedded Photo
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From: TD
06-Aug-18
Tony, being how all religions are said to be "the same"......... I must have missed that Mormon call to slay the non-Mormon......

From: Trax
06-Aug-18
That is a very pertinent post, tony. A sickening and startling example of what is really at stake. I'll take Chris Rock one farther when he said, "There are good white people and there is white trash, and there are good black people and there are ni&&ers." Simple truth is there are good Muslims and there is islamic swine.

06-Aug-18

Habitat for Wildlife's Link

From: Trax
06-Aug-18
Yes, and now Habby with a demonstration of possible white trash? Do we have another?

From: bigeasygator
06-Aug-18
“I must have missed that Mormon call to slay the non-Mormon”

Can’t say I’ve heard that come from any Mormons, but I’ve certainly heard people say we should just nuke the Muslim countries. Guess that’s ok cause they aren’t proposing it in the name of Christ.

FWIW...I’ve been to quite a few Muslim countries, a few that have sharia law. I wasn’t imprisoned and I wasn’t killed.

From: slade
06-Aug-18
Pakistani National Caught Sneaking Across Border into Texas

When it happens, the appeaser's will claim it was a homegrown terrorist.

From: Trax
06-Aug-18

Trax's Link
You're right slade, these fine products of humanity are as well...

06-Aug-18
Trax,

I like your comment about good Muslims, and swine. That was my intent to show there are good and bad in any group.

From: Trax
06-Aug-18
Exactly. That doesn't mean there are not real concerns at play.

06-Aug-18
Agreed. Thanks.

From: 70lbdraw
06-Aug-18

70lbdraw's Link
I wonder if the LWL's will defend these idiots too. So much for the well being of the "children".

From: tonyo6302
06-Aug-18
"FWIW...I’ve been to quite a few Muslim countries, a few that have sharia law. I wasn’t imprisoned and I wasn’t killed."

.. … …

.. .. …

Me too. Just spent, again, time in Kuwait and Bahrain back in March.

I remember my first time in Bahrain, January 2007. I was staying in the Gulf Hotel, and got the Manama newspaper printed in English every morning. I remember one "Letter to the Editor" from a Bahraini Citizen, complaining about Sharia Law, and the treatment of a Philipino Maid.

It seems that another Bahraini Man was displeased with his Maid, and threw her out a 10 story window.

The Bahraini who wrote the letter called it murder, and was complaining that because "HE" was a Citizen, and "She" was a Woman, and a Philipino, no charges were filed.

Yes, there are good Muslims. However, starting 39 years ago with the invasion of the U.S. Embassy in Iran, and leading up and through 9-11-01 'til present day, I just cannot seem to muster up any trust.

I will treat all people with dignity and respect unless they do something to negate that, but for the current time being, I just cannot trust any Muslim.

From: Trax
06-Aug-18
Trust is not a right, it is a privilege that is earned. What we have been seeing in action around the world including in this country is very real. Not from all, not often from a majority. What worries me the most is the silent among the population. Silent for now.

From: Annony Mouse
08-Aug-18

Annony Mouse's Link

12-Aug-18

Habitat for Wildlife's Link

From: Nomad @ work
13-Aug-18

Nomad @ work's Link
Aaaaaaaannnnnnddddd..............Back to Ellison!

From: slade
13-Aug-18
""The Ottawa Islamic Centre and Assalam Mosque has been stripped of charitable status for inviting speakers who “promote hate and intolerance”, with some claiming that women are “deficient”, homosexuals should be “thrown off” mountains, and suicide bombing is a legitimate “military action”.""

From: Trax
13-Aug-18
That's all they're doing? I would hope they are watching and listening to everything these swine are planning. This is where it starts.

From: Woods Walker
13-Aug-18

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Throw in a few honor killings and you have the whole Islamic enchilada!

14-Aug-18

Habitat for Wildlife's Link

From: RK
14-Aug-18
Just saw that on the news HFW

Just one state, PA

just how deep does this sickness run!

Yea kill all the violent Muslims but make sure you take a priest with each and every one of them

From: RK
14-Aug-18
Sorry. A pedifile priest

From: Woods Walker
14-Aug-18
Absolutely!!!!

From: bigeasygator
14-Aug-18

bigeasygator's Link

From: tonyo6302
15-Aug-18
Just saw a Drudge headline about Buda Monks raping children. What on earth is happening ?

.. .. . . .

.. .. .

I guess we need to pray more for the Clergy of all faiths.

From: BIG BEAR
15-Aug-18
300 predator Priests abused more than 1,000 children...... in ONE State !!!

How can ANYONE deny that this is a problem in the Catholic Religion......???? This...... years after the 2002 report by the Boston Globe that exposed Predator Priests and the cover up of the problem on the East Coast.........

In my humble opinion..... In recent history......... Many gay men who have been too embarrassed to admit to their Catholic parents that they are gay...... have become Priests.......

Now add in their vow of celibacy..... And you have a recipe for disaster..... Men still have biological urges that MUST be met even after Priesthood..... unless you castrate them......

You want to fix the problem ???? Allow Priests to get married.........That’s a start.

15-Aug-18
Chris, I agree with you 100%.

From: sleepyhunter
15-Aug-18
Yes they should be allowed to marry.

From: KSflatlander
15-Aug-18
BB- being gay has nothing to do with being a pedifile. Are you inferring that there is a correlation there?

From: BIG BEAR
15-Aug-18
The correlation is gay men afraid to admit they are gay and sworn to celibacy.......... hence they prey on young boys....boys afraid to tell on them.....

From: bigeasygator
15-Aug-18

bigeasygator's Link

From: Annony Mouse
15-Aug-18
How many have actually read the Q'ran or studied the Islamic "faith"? From what I have read on this thread, very few.

Islam is not just a religion, but also a political system based on the words dictated by a pedophile prophet and are taken as immutable. Unlike Christianity, Islam has never undergone any reformation--in fact, takes great effort to not change from its founding principals. Confusing a religion with a hybrid mixture of a political system makes it hard to discuss without pussyfooting and avoiding PC intolerance. The standards of journalism in this country have sunk to the point that when a terrorist act is committed, it is excused and alibied as something other.

Plagiarized or not, Slade's posts gives good evidence that Islamic sharia law cannot coincide with our Constitution. The numbers of sharia inspired "honor" killings gives evidence that there is a big problem within the Islamic community when it comes to accepting that they no longer live in a society that does not allow these beliefs.

The problems seen in this country WRT Islam originates in our immigration problems (both legal and illegal) where there is no encouragement/pressure to assimilate into our American culture. What we see is an increasing balkanization of our immigrant population--and this is not just with Muslims, but most of the recent immigrants.

In post WWII Detroit where I grew up, the parents and grandparents who immigrated from Europe encouraged their children to learn to speak the American vernacular without accent, to become American so they could succeed. Most of the kids I grew up with had adult family who spoke little or heavily accented English, spoke German, Polish, Yiddish at home...but my friends definitely were American. The best things that came from those immigrants were foods that have become staples of American life and words and phrases that became incorporated into the American vernacular.

One can cite the "Chinatowns", "Little Japans" and such...but even prior to WWII, the children of immigrants assimilated to their adopted country. While a blot on this country's history, through the lens of history it is understandable when one thinks of Pearl Harbor. Not as well espoused is that many German immigrant citizens were also held under suspicion and treated wrongly.

Again...today, there is little pressure to assimilate. Instead, we spend and spend to push 2 to speak Spanish, have multi-lingual dictates for the school system and government documents that must be translated into numerous languages.

I wonder how many here have actually read the Q'ran and Hadith to form their opinions.

From: BIG BEAR
15-Aug-18
Here’s all the pressure to assimilate that is needed........ Come to the U.S.A. (Legally)........

Abide by the laws of the U.SA.......... Break those laws..... get charged with a crime..... Simple........ I don’t need to read the Q’ran to figure that out.

Doesn’t matter where you came from or your race or religion..... End of story.

From: Rocky
15-Aug-18
BB, The U.S. is not the international dumping ground for the world to pursue with unlimited numbers. Simple mathematics that could never be sustained. The policies by which you would happily abide continues to destroy this nation of the quickly dissipating milk and honey.

Apply for citizenship legally and with documentation. Criminals will be automatically discarded. When and if the U.S. requires a influx of immigration that number will be based upon the merit system or whatever sector in most need of that level of skill the U.S. decides. The U.S. sets the number and labor not illegal aliens.

The Rock

From: Bowbender
15-Aug-18
BB,

Reconcile this:

"Here’s all the pressure to assimilate that is needed........ Come to the U.S.A. (Legally)........ Abide by the laws of the U.SA.......... Break those laws..... get charged with a crime..... Simple"

With this:

"Again...today, there is little pressure to assimilate. Instead, we spend and spend to push 2 to speak Spanish, have multi-lingual dictates for the school system and government documents that must be translated into numerous languages."

Where's the benefit to the US? And yes, immigration should benefit the US. Not just the immigrants.

From: BIG BEAR
15-Aug-18
“Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breath free; The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send me the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift up my lamp beside the golden door”....... The Statue of Liberty. (Emma Lazarus).

Come to America LEGALLY..... I agree.

From: bigeasygator
15-Aug-18
“Where's the benefit to the US?”

How about a diversity of thought? A diversity of culture? A diverse workforce? Labor competition? Increased innovation and entrepreneurship?

From: Bowbender
15-Aug-18
BEG,

"Again...today, there is little pressure to assimilate. Instead, we spend and spend to push 2 to speak Spanish, have multi-lingual dictates for the school system and government documents that must be translated into numerous languages."

Where's the diversity when there is no assimilation?

From: bigeasygator
15-Aug-18
Well, the extreme version of assimilation results in no diversity. Diversity is a result of difference.

Look, I don’t believe we should mandate diversity and I don’t believe we should mandate assimilation. That said, even in the face of these dumb government mandates, I don’t for one second question the benefits of diversity or of immigration.

From: Trax
15-Aug-18
"We should insist that if the immigrant who comes here does in good faith become an

American and assimilates himself to us he shall be treated on an exact equality with every one else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed or birth-place or origin.

But this is predicated upon the man’s becoming in very fact an American and nothing but an American. If he tries to keep segregated with men of his own origin and separated from the rest of America, then he isn’t doing his part as an American. There can be no divided allegiance here. . . We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language, for we intend to see that the crucible turns our people out as Americans, of American nationality, and not as dwellers in a polyglot boarding-house; and we have room for but one soul loyalty, and that is loyalty to the American people."

Well said Teddy Roosevelt.

From: Trax
15-Aug-18
“Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breath free...……."

And we shall enslave them in our factories after they have been vetted and rejections by the hundreds sent back to their country.

Immigrants need not only come here legally. They need to tolerate our customs, learn to speak English and assimilate, honor our Constitution, follow our laws, and be able to support themselves. Merit based immigration is desperately needed.

From: Trax
15-Aug-18
Meanwhile looks like the liberal commune known as Minnesota will soon have a Louis Farrahkan wannabe as AG.

From: BIG BEAR
15-Aug-18
You can thank the non Muslim Democrats of Minnesota for that...... They provided the numbers to elect him.... The Muslim vote alone wouldn’t be enough......

Rashida Tlaib is set to be the first Muslim American woman in Congress...... You can thank the Democrats of Detroit for that one........

She defeated the President of Detroit City Council Brenda Jones, John Conyers great nephew Ian Conyers,,,,, And Coleman Young Jr.......... What a LOSE..... LOSE.........LOSE............LOSE ....... Field that was.........

From: Trax
15-Aug-18
Correct BB. As I said the liberal commune of Minnesota. We can primarily thank metro Minnesota for that.

From: tonyo6302
15-Aug-18
"Well, the extreme version of assimilation results in no diversity."

100% totally false. You cannot even find a definition of total assimilation or extreme assimilation that negates diversity of an ethnic group.

From: bigeasygator
15-Aug-18
Assimilation: the process of becoming similar to something.

Diversity: the state of being diverse; variety.

In the extreme case of assimilation, everyone is the same. You have no variety. Thus, no diversity.

From: BIG BEAR
15-Aug-18
John Conyers endorsed his son John Conyers III to succeed him..... His son was arrested in a domestic incident where his girlfriend was cut with a knife. The charges were dropped against Conyers but the girlfriend got a restraining order. His mother Monica Conyers went to prison for corruption.........

I think if I had to make a choice....... I’d roll the dice with Rashida Tlaib over the spawn of John and Monica Conyers.....

Better yet..... vote Republican....

From: bigeasygator
15-Aug-18

bigeasygator's Link

From: tonyo6302
16-Aug-18
"In the extreme case of assimilation,"

.. .. . .

. . . .

There is no such thing. No ethnic group is forced by gun point to assimilate. No example was provided by you.

You are making up something that does not exist. Stop it. It is beneath your intelligence.

From: bigeasygator
16-Aug-18
Guess you missed the point that I was speaking in hypotheticals to highlight the relationship between the words “assimilation” and “diversity.” It was in relation to the comment that you can’t have diversity without assimilation. That doesn’t make any sense.

From: Butternut40
16-Aug-18
Trax, don't forget to thank the arrowhead as well.

From: Trax
16-Aug-18
Is it all of the Arrowhead, Butter, or just Duluth?

From: Butternut40
16-Aug-18

Butternut40's embedded Photo
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Trax, this pic gives a pretty good overview.

From: Trax
16-Aug-18
Wow, Minnesota the new Massachusetts …..

From: tonyo6302
16-Aug-18
"I was speaking in hypotheticals"

.. . .. . .

. . . . .

Nope, you WERE just making stuff up for a feel good Liberal feeling, but NOW you are just plain lying.

Just stop it, not even the CF libs are buying it or coming to your defense.

From: bigeasygator
16-Aug-18
Nowhere did I say there was such a thing as "extreme assimilation." Bowbender made a statement that said you can't have diversity without assimilation. I was refuting that point by saying if you've completely assimilated to the highest degree possible (aka, "extreme assimilation" which doesn't exist), you have no diversity. It's a theoretical concept, like the limit as something approaches infinity. I know these are heady things to try and understand for you, so try and hang in there. How do you apply this non-existent, theoretical concept of "extreme assimilation" in practice? You take that relationship and recognize that, by definition, as you have more assimilation, you have less diversity. Some people understand the concepts when you speak in terms of extremes (even in a theoretical sense) - you are clearly not one of these people.

From: TD
16-Aug-18
Statue of Liberty is French. Nice poetic phrase...... that means nothing more than any other poetic phrase. It is not an authorization, or code, much less a constitutional right. Might as well have said "Go West young man!" Both phrases near 150 years old. And both only repeated in this day and age by those hoping to benefit in some way from them.

From: tonyo6302
16-Aug-18
"Nowhere did I say there was such a thing as "extreme assimilation."

. .. .. . .

. .. … .

Bullsh@t. Let me copy and paste your opening false statement:

"Well, the extreme version of assimilation results in no diversity. "

Care to spin another load of fertilizer?

The rest of your last post is not worth responding to. There is really only one way to save face here, and it is not with another lie.

From: bigeasygator
16-Aug-18
Then let me rephrase for you so you understand what my point is (not what you think it is), cause clearly it still hasn’t resonated after attempting to three times.

Assimilation, if taken to its extreme limit, results in no diversity.

From: BIG BEAR
16-Aug-18
As long as someone LEGALLY comes to America I’m good with them..... My people came here looking for a better life too.

From: KSflatlander
16-Aug-18
Yeah the Statue of Liberty is all French and don’t mean anything to us Americans...wow. I guess you have a different way of looking at it than me and all the immigrants that passes through Ellis island.

From: KSflatlander
16-Aug-18
The Statue of Liberty has been assimilated into our history...lol. I couldn’t resist.

From: Annony Mouse
16-Aug-18
Our immigration policies today do nothing to promote any assimilation. One would think that after 5 years of living in a country where the primary language is English, immigrants would have acquired some native language skills.

Post WWII immigrants may have spoken poor accented English, but they made sure their offspring became Americans. I know that from growing up in a Detroit neighborhood that my friends parents came from many different countries.

Majority of Foreign Refugees Can’t Speak English After Five Years Living in U.S.

From: HA/KS
17-Aug-18
"German immigrant citizens were also held under suspicion and treated wrongly."

I recently read documents that my great grandfather was investigated by the FBI as a possible German spy during WWI.

He was farming in extreme eastern Colorado and in no way could have been a spy. However, the community reported him to the FBI.

The family spoke German. One day he came home and said "We are Americans and in this house we will only talk American."

E Pluribus Unum

Muslims as a whole and their theistic form of government are a danger to America. Apparently we didn't read about the Trojan Horse or Pandora's Box - and definitely are ignoring what the koran says and how they are currently interpreting it. There is no wonder that the leftists and muslims are so comfortable together.

From: HA/KS
17-Aug-18

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HA/KS's Link
Nice kids from next door just following the koran.

From: Annony Mouse
17-Aug-18

Annony Mouse's Link
Says much about American assimilation and the proREgressive left...

Pizza, bagels, tacos...and so much more has become part of the American assimilated cuisine.

From: bigeasygator
17-Aug-18
It is because of immigrants that we have the diversity of food that we do in this country. This is not assimilation - this is diversity. Tucker is too blind to see it.

And I doubt that chart regarding English language skills would have looked pretty similar to one created when our non-English speaking ancestors hit these shores. I promise if you walked around little Italy in 1915 there wasn't a whole lot of English being spoken.

People think things are somehow different now with this batch of immigrants than they were in the past. It isn't. The same nativist sentiments existed back then. The same fears. __________ is a danger to our institutions. _________ won't assimilate. ____________ is undermining the moral fabric of our country. It was the Chinese, the Irish, the Italians, the Jews...now it's Muslims and hispanics.

From: bigeasygator
17-Aug-18

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17-Aug-18

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17-Aug-18

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17-Aug-18

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17-Aug-18

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17-Aug-18

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17-Aug-18
The real problem is some leftists have controlled the narrative to depict diversity as a strength when in fact it is not. It usually insures that people are heading in different directions, socially and culturally, which weakens a nation.

Diversity is a symptom, an unintended consequence, of our real strength, freedom! People come here because they are free to reap the rewards of their own efforts when immersed in our liberty.

At least they used to. All too often now they come for the freebies we taxpayers unwittingly pay for via our vote buying politicians!

From: bigeasygator
17-Aug-18

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17-Aug-18

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From: Trax
17-Aug-18
What's your point Big easy? We quarantined and sent back hundreds from Ellis Island in the day and enslaved as many as we could in our mines and factories when accepted. You're saying we should have sent more back?

Today is a far different day than then. We need merit based immigration. You must come here legally, you must be able to support yourself from day one, and end to any form of chain migration, you must tolerate our customs and learn to speak English, you must obey our laws and honor our Constitution, you must understand we may not tolerate some of your customs. It is as simple as that. In order for more to come here legally we must rid ourselves of the illegal invaders. Better border security and an end to any form of entitlements for illegals is the answer. A scorched earth policy towards employers who hire illegal invaders would really help. This needs to be done ASAP.

From: bigeasygator
17-Aug-18
My point is that this time is no different than any other time people wanted to close our borders to foreigners. My point is that we’re hearing the same anti-immigration arguments that we heard 100 years ago and that they were proven wrong then and are wrong now. My point is I’m glad the nativist sentiment that is pervasive on this board didn’t win out 100 years ago as I wouldn’t be here, and I’m guessing most of you all wouldn’t either.

From: Will
17-Aug-18
Is any level of refugee entry ok? How do you manage legal immigration so that it's deemed acceptable?

It seems that assimilation requires an effort on behalf of both parties. I'm not just talking governmental assistance etc. People need to OWN the process, not just feel like it's handed to them. If that (both parties working) doesnt happen, you just have isolated populations with no common theme. IE, tribalism. That seems to create a lot of conflict everywhere... Heck, just look at the tribal nature of modern american politics - sure hasn't made the country stronger. That said, whatever level of assimilation or blending or what not that's been able to occur here, has helped us be the greatest country the world has ever seen.

The stories my neighbors tell (a Colombian immigrant - she came for college, got a job, met a guy, she became a citizen and then they got married; and a Ghanaian family - husband and wife moved here for a better life, became citizens, he is the night shift manager for a body bag company a town over, and she's an electrical engineer for Ratheon making guidance systems) is pretty amazing, in terms of the efforts they put forth to assimilate and the efforts people often put up to prevent that assimilation. Heck, a week ago when a new hire was introduced to his boss (my neighbor from Ghana), the guy wouldn't shake his hand and WALKED out of the new job. All he knew about him at that point was that he was his boss - had never even spoken to him. That's not on my neighbor the immigrant... thats on the "American" (in quotes because I'd argue, and am confident everyone on the CF would agree, that the guy displays the worst in "us" vs the "best") who should have been willing to stick a hand out and foster that assimilation - into the workplace.

My history is a bit shaky on it, but I bet BEG could correct me looking over his recent posts... Wasn't it essentially time and numbers that some what "forced" the assimilation of say Asian, Irish, Italian, etc folks decades ago. Almost like a critical mass was reached and there it was.

It took forced assimilation in many areas for black people to even have a shot at assimilating with "main stream" culture as another example.

Whether we completely closed borders now or not, the human beings who are here, are here. If we hold out a hand, as a country, and "teach them how to fish" (help them understand how to integrate and be a part of an entirely new culture), I believe that would make us stronger and a more durable nation.

From: Trax
17-Aug-18
"My point is I’m glad the nativist sentiment that is pervasive"

What is pervasive is the thought of open borders. As it is, ILLEGAL invaders who treat our borders as if they are open. What is pervasive are the ILLEGAL invaders. I think we are ALL for legal immigration with merit. We can not open up legal immigration more until the ILLEGALS are driven OUT. We must secure our borders.

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