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03-Aug-18

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"Cop Named Who Shot LaVoy Finicum In The Back - Media Screams "Safety Concerns" For Officer

The Oregonian is doing nothing more than the Southern Poverty Law Center did when they mapped out those who speak out against the sodomite community and lovingly call them to repentance, while that very mapping encouraged and provided the information a gunman needed to go to a pro-life organization and seek to commit mass murder.

Tim Brown — August 2, 2018

OK, let me be clear from the outset. I have never, ever encouraged violence against another person. I have encouraged justice when people are found guilty. With that in mine, the latest news out of Oregon in the trial of FBI Special Agent W. Joseph Astarita, concerns the fact that "Officer 1," the unnamed Oregon State Police officer that shot LaVoy Finicum in the back on January 26, 2016, was named in court.

As we close the week, the latest bombshell to come out of Oregon in the case against Special Agent Astarita is the name of Officer #1.

As SWAT officer Bob Olson took the stand, he named the officer who fired the fatal shots into Finicum;

That information made its way onto social media, as it should have via BJ Soper and Ammon Bundy, who has been calling for the jury in the Bundy case to consider whether they would have convicted some of the defendants if the prosecution had not violated the defendants' rights and the law.

CASEY CODDING NEVER forget that name...This man has killed 3 people...” in the line of duty”He’s been promoted to...

Posted by Bj Soper on Tuesday, July 31, 2018

Before someone goes and hangs this guy, think of this for a minute; The threat assessment reports that this guy read and...

Posted by Ammon Bundy on Tuesday, July 31, 2018

The name of the officer? Casey Codding.

Now, has anyone called for this officer to be targeted for "social justice"? Nope, not one person.

However, we know from BJ Soper:

CASEY CODDING

NEVER forget that name...

This man has killed 3 people...” in the line of duty”

He’s been promoted to captain for his “sacrifice”

He fired “justified” rounds into a moving vehicle.

He fired 2 rounds into the back of a man with his hands up.

He is the man that murdered Lavoy Finicum...

Casey Codding is officer 1.

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To drive home the point, Ammon Bundy wrote:

Before someone goes and hangs this guy, think of this for a minute; The threat assessment reports that this guy read and the information and all the briefings that this guy was required to listen to were all lies from the FBI and Washington DC. This guy was told that the people at the refuge were the most dangerous people in American history. We know that they used the threat assessment in Nevada to brief the agents in Oregon. We know that the threat assessment in Nevada were lies and were doctored to justify military like action on the Bundy family. The reports were crafted by people like Dan Love and Rand Stover from the BLM. They needed the threat assessment to look terrible so they could justify the amount of force they used at the Bundy ranch.

These same lies were told to people like this man, Casey Codding. Casey may be a skilled murderer that will not think for him self. He may enjoy killing the American people for his own gain, but is he really the most culpable one? Don’t get me wrong this man is a killer. He has killed several people and has climbed the ranks because of it. I thought his job was to protect and serve not kill. It seems to me the only ones they protect and service are themselves. He is guilty of murder but let us not forget who amped him up, who lied to him, who manipulated him to believe that ranchers and family men are the greatest enemy to his country.

I pray for him and hope he can see what he is doing. He is a brainwashed man who has been fed lies his entire adult life about what it really is to defend freedom. He doesn’t even know what freedom looks like. I pray for those who enter the police forces today; they are in a very precarious situation and they do not even know it. Those that are destroying the freedoms of this people have gotten control of the police forces and are using them to further there power and influence. These wicked men and women who have plotted, conspired and acted to overthrow this great people could not do what they are doing with out men like Casey Codding; the man who killed Lavoy Finicum and who killed two others including a teenager.

However, let us not forget Greg Bretzing head of the FBI, Governor Brown, and many, many more that would not listen to the cries of the people but instead supplied their hired killers with ammunition and then lied to them about the great threat these same people where.

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You see, the media is actually working to protect the real criminals in all of this. They aren't concerned that an innocent man was shot in the back and killed by an officer that they wish was unnamed. No, they are more concerned that that innocent man be branded a criminal and the officer be branded a hero all to save face in the light of a tyrannical government that has engaged for decades in unconstitutional land grabs and violation of the rights of the people they are supposed to serve.

To prove the point, Shari Dovale writes:

However, the MSM, specifically the Oregonian, have also reported on this issue, though they seemed to have found another way to spin the story. They could have just reported on the slip up in court, but they chose to turn this against anyone that posted about the released name. This certainly gives them the chance for more headlines. The story says:

They also include:

They go on to suggest that these posts have caused security concerns within the courthouse:

Though they did not name the officer involved in the shooting, they were very clear in making sure that everyone knew how to find the name of the officer.

This all suggests that the MSM not only likes the controversy, and perpetuates the controversy, but might even be encouraging violence, just to get a headline. What other reason would they have to print a provocative article of over 1000 words like this one?

I would never want the man hurt. Yet, I also do not want the people who used his name hurt either. The actions of the Left are exactly as they are accusing others. They are suggesting that anyone naming this officer is threatening.

So, is their article, in which they will tell you how to find the name of Officer #1, as well as naming the people they feel are threatening him, considered threatening as well? Did they go too far just for a story? Or is this just another case of accepted Media Bias?

If something vicious should happen to any of the officers involved, or if something should happen to BJ Soper, Ammon Bundy, or anyone else that used the officer’s name, the blame will not automatically go to the Patriot community. It could very easily be placed at the feet of the Main Stream Media.

Ain't it the truth? Dovale is correct in her assessment. The Oregonian is doing nothing more than the Southern Poverty Law Center did when they mapped out those who speak out against the sodomite community and lovingly call them to repentance, while that very mapping encouraged and provided the information a gunman needed to go to a pro-life organization and seek to commit mass murder.

But the SPLC tried to wash its hands of any guilt, just like I'm sure the Oregonian will attempt to do.

Let it be known, the reason for naming the officer is for transparency. After all, once this trial is over, don't think for a minute he won't be held to account for his actions, possibly in the wrongful death lawsuit brought by Finicum's widow."

From: Rhody
03-Aug-18
News business are in the business of reporting negative news, because of the drama. The term coined years ago about news reported.... Agents of Chaos.

News sources needs chaos to get viewership to report about. They're in the business of reporting chaos.

So, I'm not surprised at the article about that incident and how it can be spun to create drama to the point of somebody being bodily harmed.

From: AT Halley
03-Aug-18
"If it bleeds it leads..." The MSM now pushes for war just so they can keep viewership.

From: KSflatlander
03-Aug-18
Armed people who take over a federal property are hardly innocent.

Regardless, it is tragic someone lost their life in this situation.

03-Aug-18
I have zero sympathy for the guy being in armed in opposition to armed law enforcement.....it is just plain stupid. You can't fight the system that way. It almost preordained to work out bad for you.

03-Aug-18
Be interesting to see what a jury concludes after reviewing all of the evidence.

From: TD
03-Aug-18
Good thing he didn't shoot a lion with a name in the back..... death threats would have been stacking up already.....

From: Glunt@work
03-Aug-18
I still say we will be writing Finicum's family a really big check when all is said and done. He wasn't innocent but the FBI agent shot at him as he exited the truck with his hands up and then the agent told investigators he never fired his weapon. His FBI team mates told the same story and the spent brass disappeared.

The shots that killed Finicum fired by the local cops have been ruled legit but the Feds screwed up.

Bundy's group was protesting Government overreach and dishonesty. Not the best time for the government to make a bad call on using lethal force and then be dishonest about it.

04-Aug-18
"Bundy's group was protesting Government overreach and dishonesty. Not the best time for the government to make a bad call on using lethal force and then be dishonest about it."

Yep, kinda proves Bundy's point.

From: Pig Doc
04-Aug-18
Not sure who Finnecum is but Finicum got what he asked for.

From: KSflatlander
04-Aug-18

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This doesn’t look like hands up to me. See video.

04-Aug-18
Yes, there are still a lot of unanswered questions and the attempted FBI cover-up leaves one very unsatisfied with the official account.

04-Aug-18
Well, we all know I am not trained, but I would have shot also, and I will probably stand corrected for that but...

Whatever the gripe, maybe even legitimate, at that point you do what the officers say and everyone gets their day in court later.

From: KSflatlander
04-Aug-18
Spike- I’m curious. After watching the video I want to know. If you were the law enforcement officer in that scenario...would you have shot? Yes or no and I would like to know why you would have or wouldn’t.

Regardless it is still tragic and I feel for Finicum’s family.

From: KSflatlander
04-Aug-18
Spike- I’m curious. After watching the video I want to know. If you were the law enforcement officer in that scenario...would you have shot? Yes or no and I would like to know why you would have or wouldn’t.

Regardless it is still tragic and I feel for Finicum’s family.

From: Glunt@work
05-Aug-18

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KS: The video you posted is after he was away from the truck and the local (state) police shot him. The FBI agent shot just as he exited his door, one of the bullets went through the roof and broke the rear driver side window. A fragment lodged in Ryan Bundy's shoulder. His hands are up but I think if the FBI agent had been honest about the shot it would be 50%-50% that it would have been ruled as justified depending on the agents reasoning in that moment. Since he and the rest of the FBI HRT team tried to hide the fact that any shots were fired by them, it sours their side of the case pretty bad. We have paid millions before.

05-Aug-18
Exactly, Glunt. I cannot know what I would have done in that situation, KS. Finicum et all were on their way to meet with a sheriff. Why not let them go there and arrest him there if need be?

05-Aug-18
Glunt, Spike, I accept what you say as fact, yet, he does appear to be going for his gun more than once. In spite of any previous mistakes, he is a lawbreaker going for his gun. I would not wait to get shot.

Probably better decisions could have been made, there probably will be a payout but I bet the shooting at that moment will be ruled justfied.

From: sleepyhunter
05-Aug-18
Finicum, should have made the decision to turn himself in at lot sooner. The situation would have turned out better for him.

From: Glunt@work
05-Aug-18
I agree it appears he was reaching where his gun was. Its possible he was grasping at his side from being hit with one of the non lethal rounds some officers/agents were armed with or maybe being shot at with his arms up as he exited the truck, or just the whole situation was enough for him to decide to go out fighting.

To me, he looks like he is either panicked or not fully committed to drawing a weapon since he alternates between reaching and having his arms up. Could be stress or maybe he was reaching/grabbing at his side for some other reason. Under that type of stress, people often do irrational things. At the first stop a few minutes before, the cops shot a nonlethal round at the truck that hit the mirror while they were stopped. The people in the truck said they assumed it was a real bullet that was fired at them.

You are allowed to defend yourself against anyone, including LE, if they are unjustly endangering your life. Maybe that was his mindset. Maybe he was just pissed off and crazy and decided to try and go out blazing. He knew he was poking the bear but whether he was an idiot, patriot, unstable, brave, misguided, or freedom fighter doesn't really matter when judging the use of force by LE.

I think the moment the OSP shot will remain considered justified. I think the FBI shots and how the overall operation that day went down are issues. The nonlethal round shot at the first stop, the FBI shots as he exited, the FBI cover-up, and the positioning and use of a road block with no pass through when its known that nonsuspects are in the vehicle could be issues.

I'm not a supporter of the Bundy crew's actions but I do know enough about land use here in the West to know its not a one-sided issue. I also would be misguided to give the FBI the benefit of the doubt given whats been going on in that organizing.

Based on what we know now and how the legal stuff played out, its likely that if he would have surrendered right away at the first stop, he would likely be home on his ranch making Youtube videos promoting his side of the issue.

05-Aug-18
Good points, thanks.

From: K Cummings
06-Aug-18
”Based on what we know now and how the legal stuff played out, its likely that if he would have surrendered right away at the first stop, he would likely be home on his ranch making Youtube videos promoting his side of the issue.”

Same with Michael Brown, Eric Garner and the dozens of others that make the choice to resist law enforcement.

If this took place on the streets of Chicago or Baltimore we would likely be hearing things like “suicide by cop” or “he got what he deserved” from many of the Finicum supporters.

Based on what I know about the situation, they’d be right.

KPC

From: Glunt@work
06-Aug-18
Poor odds when going up against a more powerful force. Both the Michael Brown case and the Eric Garner case resulted in grand jurys and settlements in the millions to their families. Each case is very different but I expect a similar outcome in this case.

From: K Cummings
06-Aug-18
Glunt:

Unjust settlements in my opinion, that we all end up paying for, but settlements just the same.

KPC

06-Aug-18
It seems to me that some government agencies get weaponized for all kinds of purposes and this was one of them. Perhaps it was a couple of rogue agents or maybe orders came from the top, we have no way of knowing currently.

Just think of what you would do, what kind of attitude you would have, if you knew by personal contact that family after family was being driven out of YOUR profession by a government agency doing bad, perhaps completely illegal, things for some big politician's gain.

Would you bend over or would you band together with friends and family and fight?

Whether that occupation was smart or not is another story, most agree that there are better ways, but the question has to do with a serious and unnecessary deadly confrontation.

My first instinct is that the government is usually the problem because 90% of what they do is actually outside of the Constitutional pervue.

From: Glunt@work
10-Aug-18
The criminal trial of the FBI agent investigators believe fired the two unaccounted for shots is being deliberated by a jury at the moment. Prosecutors say forensic evidence rules out any other source of the shots. The defense says the prosecution expert's methods were flawed. Someone at the scene fired the two shots and lied about it, we will see if the jury believes it was this agent.

From: Glunt@work
10-Aug-18
The agent was found not guilty. It remains a mystery whether it was the FBI or SWAT that fired the shots and lied.

11-Aug-18
Seems to me that the two FBI agents picked up the empty brass and did not report it so I would think that they were at least guilty of conspiring to cover up a crime.

11-Aug-18
Thanks for the update Glunt.

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