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Prosecutor: "Were you involved in any criminal activity with Mr. Manafort?"

Gates: "Yes"

Prosecutor: "Did you commit any crimes with Mr. Manafort?"

Gates: "Yes"

To make it plain: the deputy campaign manager to the President just admitted that he committed crimes WITH the campaign manager, at his instruction.

This is a pivotal day. And if you think this doesn’t mean the walls are closing in on trump, well you’re delusional.

He knows it and you probably should begin coming to terms with the fact that this corrupt creep is going down. With his family.

YEARS prior!

Even Mueller says his trial and the charges against him do not have anything to do with Trump and the campaign.

Try again,

Oh yes, try again Paul....DA!

Wanna' buy some plastic straws?"

Only in Liberal Land could this insanity exist.

Gates is testifying under a plea bagaining agreement he signed in which he agreed to testify against Manafort.

Not exactly an impartial witness.

2) Now that Gates has implicated Manafort, he will either get a lengthy sentence OR agree to flip on trump.

3) trump knew manafort and gates were dirty, yet he hired them anyway. Why?

4) It bears repeating: "I hire the best people"—Donald Trump Dismiss this all you want, but the walls are closing in on trumps criminal enterprise. Can you honestly say you're surprised? Really ?

He was known as a conman his entire adult life in the NY real estate scene. And now The Trump admin. wants us to believe Manafort and Gates just stopped committing crimes when they went to work for Donald Trump for free?

Really? And you're buying that story? I refuse to believe a professional like you, Kyle would succumb to this ridiculous story line. I would like to think your intelligence and reason would allow you to rise above this nonsense.

Also, no matter what the clintons did or didn't do, How does that change what trump has done and is doing?

In other words, lets say Clinton ran a pedophile ring in a pizza place (I know, crazy right?!) how does that give trump a pass?

I'm going to assume you see the logic in that. Keeping my fingers crossed for you, don't disappoint me!

Don't forget who also did business with Manafort and Rick Gates

Donald Trump did....FOR YEARS BEFORE TRUMPS CANDIDACY

This isn't over. It's just beginning.

Yet she who was 'entitled' to be the POTUS refuses to accept the results.

ROTFLMAO!!

ALEXANDRIA, Va. – After jurors were dismissed Monday in the Paul Manafort trial Monday, the federal judge overseeing the case and prosecutors trying the former Trump campaign chairman got into an extended verbal debate -- lasting about 10 minutes -- over the merits of the prosecution, the length of the case and even the eye contact of prosecutor Greg Andres.

U.S. District Judge T.S. Ellis III specifically pushed Andres on why the prosecution was moving slowly with Rick Gates – the former Manafort business partner who testified on Monday – and specifically to describe the link between wealthy Ukrainian politicos and Manafort. Ellis argued that the connection was not the basis of the case.

“What matters are the allegations that he made money from them and didn’t report it,” Ellis said. “You don't need to throw mud at these people.”

“I don’t know if they are bad or good. And I don’t care,” Ellis argued, reiterating his previous claim that the prosecution seemed to be focusing not on the actual charges but on what he considered “political contributions.”

Ellis again compared the Ukrainians in question to American billionaires and “Mr. Koch and Mr. Soros” as political contributors.

“I don’t know why you keep bringing (up) these people,” Andres said, referring to the Ukrainians. “These people are not like any Americans. These people are oligarchs and that means they control a segment of the economy based on the governments allowing them to do that.”’

“These are not really political contributions,” he continued. “They are self-serving payments with respect to what oligarchs do.”

“That makes it even clearer to me that it doesn’t have anything to do with the allegations in this case,” Ellis responded. “It throws dirt on these people. They may deserve it. I don’t know - and I don’t care.”

At another point in the exchange Andres could be heard challenging Ellis on a technicality. “Respectively, judge, that is not what the law is,” Andres responded bluntly at one point.

The most heated moment of the debate, however, took place when Ellis got perturbed by Andres not looking up at him while speaking.

“Look at me! Don’t look down,” Ellis demanded.

Then, when Andres responded that he was looking at a relevant document, the exchange grew testier.

“You looked down as if to say ‘that’s B.S.!’” Ellis said. “I’m up here!”

After he joined trumps team he somehow secured a multi million dollar loan from a Russian investor. With no collateral and nothing to back up the loan.

2 key questions:

Why would a broke man like Manafort accept a job w trumps administration FOR NO PAY?

What did Manafort promise this investor in exchange for that loan?

Theories on the answers:

He took the job for no pay To get out of massive debt to Oleg Deripaska , the investor, by doing Russia's bidding from inside the Trump campaign. OR... Someone was paying him, just not Trump.

I feel like that’s being pretty liberal with the word “thought”...

Matt

I could care less what happens to Manafort but I wouldn’t be surprised if he gets out of these charges.

The Rock

Totally coherent today!!

Matt

That includes many here who CLAIM to be conservatives, who CLAIM to believe in and support the Constitution, but obviously do not.

Yet the defense has not even started to present its' case!

Very, very disappointing for me, at least, who believes all people deserve a fair trial without prejudice.

Seemingly and sadly, a great many so-called 'conservatives' here would rather render a judgement after only seeing the prosecution's side of things.

Manafort may or not be guilty. We don't know yet because we've not seen all of the facts.

All we know at this point is the prosecution's case and the media's spin, and I consider basing his guilt or innocence on that alone to be deplorable.

If Manafort is found guilty I highly doubt it will be for a extended period. Trump has the final say and when this Mueller circus is over Manafort will be drinking Pina Colada's under a palm tree with 6 ft. blonds as cuff links.

Your scenario wouldn't surprise me in the least. That's how the swamp operates.

Matt

This has nothing to do with Trump, obviously.

But any port in a storm, right?

Hey, PutZZY!

It seems the jurors who actually heard and saw ALL of the prosecution's 'evidence' don't by your 'Slam Dunk Guilty' crap!

And not just any criminal defendant but one who ran his campaign, helped get him elected and bought a condominium his building. Another outrageous potentially illegal comment in an endless string of outrages from Trump.

Explain how this ISNT jury tampering? I Bet you can’t.

Now imagine if Obama had done something so egregious.

No one is a 'criminal defendant' until a jury says so.

Get a life and a brain, you moron!

Kyle , please stop passing false information. You’re better than that.

It's clear to all you only referred to Manafort as a 'criminal defendant' because you classify him as such before the jury has weighed in.

So go pound sand, you jerk!

So it would seem some jurors are not in favor of convicting Manafort while others may be in favor of convicting him.

Either way, this has NOTHING to do the 2016 election and it also has NOTHING to do with the man who became POTUS in January, 2017.

OTOH, it clearly has everything to do with the DEMS refusing to accept the results of the 2106 election.

Hypocrisy, anyone?

The Rock

Judge knows mueller is just trying to get Manafort to go Gates on Trump.

"I thought we were a nation of laws?"

I think the operative word there is "were."

The resemblance in appearance and stupidity is remarkable!

How about we wait for a verdict before we think about guilt or innocence?

After all, isn't that what America is supposed to stand for?

By the way, if Trump pardons him I’m not in agreement but he is within his powers. I acknowledge that. But yes the verdict first.

Mueller and the 17 angry democrats have had a rough go of things in the courts. The Flynn case keeps getting extended. Now George PapaD is asking for discovery. Russian Troll farm case has went silent.

Manafort is not accused of avoiding taxes. He's accused of evading taxes, which is absolutely illegal.

So, are you saying it's OK to lie and cheat on your tax return and also OK to fail to report millions of dollars of income?

I tend to agree, but howz'about we wait to see the verdict from the jury first?

I was not in the courtroom to hear the evidence and neither were you.

The jury may make the wrong call, but at least they heard all of the testimony.

Us? We can only speculate and I, for one, am not willing to do that.

You seem to be 'assuming' what you think you know is true.

I'm not going down that road.

If Manafort did what he's charged with, then throw him in jail and throw away the key.

But the reason we have trials is because we assume innocent until proven guilty based on the facts of the case. We do not do 'trial by media' nor 'trial about what we think we know because we read stuff on the internet!'

The Rock

Which means the only guy here who doesn't believe that is Paul Zeidamnedfool.

Trump then hires manafort. Without a salary. Meanwhile manafort was dead broke.

Suddenly he’s in possession of tens of millions of dollars How? and he hides most of that from the IRS. Why?

Hide your head in the sand but this stinks to holy hell.

Didn't her slime ball attorney promise us MONTHS ago he had 'Trump destroying' new evidence that he was going to release momentarily?

So what ever happened to that promise, PZ?

Did she simply go back to her former job as a prostitute who performs sex for money on film, instead of in the back seat of a car or in a sleezy motel?

Given you are so sure Manafort is guilty without question, answer me this:

The jury has had the case for three days and has yet to render a decision.

Why?

"And if you think this doesn’t mean the walls are closing in on trump, well you’re delusional."

paulicia, you still have one redeeming quality...you are a funny mofo

Poor Trump haters...

Because there are so many charges, it is likely that some will be guilty, some innocent, and some undecided. That is unless at least one juror is 100% voting their bias (for or against) instead of facts of the case in which case all could end up as undecided.

It is a travesty of justice that he is held in solitary without bail regardless of guilt or innocence.

Once this guilty verdict lands Mueller is going to begin firing all cylinders

He knows a thing or two about busting a mob operation. Hit them hard and fast with a few surprises in store

This is exactly what trump fears. For good reason too.

You can keep saying that Manafort has nothing to do with Trump but you are dead wrong. No matter how many times you say it.

Oh right, they’re a bunch of “angry democrats” and part of the deep state too, right?

Face it. People who know things about trump won’t be able to keep his dirty secrets much longer. Tick, tock indeed boys.

Consider where we are:

People at the top of Trump’s business, campaign & administration confess they are *guilty* of crimes (Cohen, Gates, Flynn) or are indicted (Manafort);

Spies for the country offering collusion are indicted;

Trump resists going under oath about any of it.

Cohen specifically says “in coordination and at the direction of trump” he broke laws!

Major conspiracy here.

I’m sorry that your hero, the “law and order” President is crooked.

But you knew he was when he ran. You knew it in your soul and you didn’t care.

Well now the walls are caving in and the proof is mounting.

So i completely understand your anger and frustration.

But it’s trump that let you down.

If you don’t think this is real, you’re a strange dude.

Guess which one I think is a bigger threat to America?

If Manafort serves time, there won't be any IRS officials sitting at the same lunch table. They all get to go about their lives free and we get stuck with a multi- million dollar payout to the groups they targeted.

Manafort cheated on his taxes? There aren't enough prisons to house everyone who has done that. Doesn't mean its ok but Government corruption falls way higher on my list of scary stuff.