this trial is NOT about Trump, it is NOT about Russia, it is NOT about Collusion .... what it is about is the 10 years or more prior to Trump running for POTUS and Manafort and HIS taxes, nothing else... trying to make it into something it is NOT is beyond being truthful, honest and an out right lie, which is what PutZ is good at doing... being disingenuous is only part of PutZ's many problems .. ....
1) With Gates on the stand, its the First time a senior Trump campaign official has confessed to a crime on the stand.
2) Now that Gates has implicated Manafort, he will either get a lengthy sentence OR agree to flip on trump.
3) trump knew manafort and gates were dirty, yet he hired them anyway. Why?
4) It bears repeating: "I hire the best people"—Donald Trump Dismiss this all you want, but the walls are closing in on trumps criminal enterprise. Can you honestly say you're surprised? Really ?
He was known as a conman his entire adult life in the NY real estate scene. And now The Trump admin. wants us to believe Manafort and Gates just stopped committing crimes when they went to work for Donald Trump for free?
Really? And you're buying that story? I refuse to believe a professional like you, Kyle would succumb to this ridiculous story line. I would like to think your intelligence and reason would allow you to rise above this nonsense.
Mueller's team still having trouble getting it right.
ALEXANDRIA, Va. – After jurors were dismissed Monday in the Paul Manafort trial Monday, the federal judge overseeing the case and prosecutors trying the former Trump campaign chairman got into an extended verbal debate -- lasting about 10 minutes -- over the merits of the prosecution, the length of the case and even the eye contact of prosecutor Greg Andres.
U.S. District Judge T.S. Ellis III specifically pushed Andres on why the prosecution was moving slowly with Rick Gates – the former Manafort business partner who testified on Monday – and specifically to describe the link between wealthy Ukrainian politicos and Manafort. Ellis argued that the connection was not the basis of the case.
“What matters are the allegations that he made money from them and didn’t report it,” Ellis said. “You don't need to throw mud at these people.”
“I don’t know if they are bad or good. And I don’t care,” Ellis argued, reiterating his previous claim that the prosecution seemed to be focusing not on the actual charges but on what he considered “political contributions.”
Ellis again compared the Ukrainians in question to American billionaires and “Mr. Koch and Mr. Soros” as political contributors.
“I don’t know why you keep bringing (up) these people,” Andres said, referring to the Ukrainians. “These people are not like any Americans. These people are oligarchs and that means they control a segment of the economy based on the governments allowing them to do that.”’
“These are not really political contributions,” he continued. “They are self-serving payments with respect to what oligarchs do.”
“That makes it even clearer to me that it doesn’t have anything to do with the allegations in this case,” Ellis responded. “It throws dirt on these people. They may deserve it. I don’t know - and I don’t care.”
At another point in the exchange Andres could be heard challenging Ellis on a technicality. “Respectively, judge, that is not what the law is,” Andres responded bluntly at one point.
The most heated moment of the debate, however, took place when Ellis got perturbed by Andres not looking up at him while speaking.
“Look at me! Don’t look down,” Ellis demanded.
Then, when Andres responded that he was looking at a relevant document, the exchange grew testier.
“You looked down as if to say ‘that’s B.S.!’” Ellis said. “I’m up here!”
When it looked like the Republicans were going to have a contested convention the Trump team went looking for someone who had experience in those. The only person they could find who had some experience during the last one, maybe in the seventies, was Manafort so they brought him in to help. Within a few months they realized that there would be no contested convention so they canned Manafort. He had no chance to do anything.
Whether Manafort was approached by Russians or anyone else, perhaps with money, who thought he may get to whisper into Trump's ear is irrelevent because Manafort surely would not tell Trump he was selling him out!!!
I dont care if Manafort goes to jail or not, this witch hunt is all about trying to pressure Manafort into telling past stories about Trump which still has nothing to do with Trump as president.
once again to the super dense and the socialists ... This trial is NOT about Trump, this trial is NOT about Collusion, this Trial is NOT about Russia ... and Muellers team is being made the fools that they are ....
I always believed there was a defense to be heard before you made a decision of guilt or innocence. I will say this. I do not trust the DOJ or the special counsel in this case or any other that Mueller may bring forth. Can you trust them knowing what we know now about their methods and integrity?
GG, and he very well might just do that ... I dont think anyone here dosnt think he may be guilty of something with taxes or his finances, but in the scope of things nothing there has to do with Trump and all this was, was for shot at getting Manafort to compose ... not sing, cause there isnt a song there ...
If Manafort is found guilty I highly doubt it will be for a extended period. Trump has the final say and when this Mueller circus is over Manafort will be drinking Pina Colada's under a palm tree with 6 ft. blonds as cuff links.
There are some securities issues and a tax implication. I have no idea if they have enough to convict. Bottom line is when did these indiscretions take place and what does this have to do with President Trump and what leeway did Mueller have with his "investigation" from the very beginning? This is all the witch hunt has. Nothing.
Imagine a world where we just saw the President of the United States praising a criminal defendant as a good man while his jury is deliberating.
And not just any criminal defendant but one who ran his campaign, helped get him elected and bought a condominium his building. Another outrageous potentially illegal comment in an endless string of outrages from Trump.
Explain how this ISNT jury tampering? I Bet you can’t.
Now imagine if Obama had done something so egregious.
I think Manafort's problem is he is charged with 18 counts. The chance of him getting off with all charges are probably pretty slim. If he did get off he still has to go to Virginia for another trial. If found guilty on only one charge that could mean ten years in the slammer.
While we're enjoying our weekend, Paul Manafort has been tossed into a dirty old city jail cell, restricted from anything to hear, see or read from the outside. That is cruel & inhuman punishment for an innocent man, in accordance with our laws!
This never happens to a single democrat because of their hatred for anyone that does not agree with their party line. They live to hate. Y'all on the left here have either failed to take a good look at the one's you've chosen to lead you, or you're just that hateful, yourselves.
Paul Manafort may have to spend at most 2 yrs. in jail and he knows it. Not bad for a 60M windfall. Why do you think you see him smiling going in out of the courtroom at times. If your facing 300 yrs. the realization would overwhelm anyone. He knows the Lone Ranger is in his corner salivating to pardon him. Trump said as much yesterday when he said the Manafort trial is a disgrace. Do you believe Trump is going to worry about the fallout if and when he pardons Manafort? He thrives on these fights. Manafort will be back on the streets in his silk shirts and perfectly combed hair. Guaranteed.
This whole trial would have never happened of it wasnt for the point that Manafort spent a short time on Trumps campaign... this is what the left has been doing, attacking those that support Trump.... the Media has the back of the piss ant Mueller and lets him get away with the crap he's done. Mueller is failure on oh so many ways, and is now scared that he wont succeed in the mandate of the Dems... Get Trump ! ..
How is it not jury tampering? A jury on a high profile case would not be permitted to watch any new stories if they are even permitted to watch network TV. Things are easy to understand when one has knowledge, experience and judgment. When one is a partisan hack without a lick of sense, one makes stupid statements about jury tamping.
I think it will be a hung jury. The big question is what happens after that?
Mueller and the 17 angry democrats have had a rough go of things in the courts. The Flynn case keeps getting extended. Now George PapaD is asking for discovery. Russian Troll farm case has went silent.
oooo....Tax Evasion! Lock that dangerous man up in solitary confinement for every moment before he gets to attend his trial. How barbarian must you be?
Wake up and see what the left is doing to our citizens. If that ain't enough, then compare it to what they do to non-citizens who Evade our Laws. And if that ain't enough, then go to Iceland and live there for the rest of your life on fart-water.
My main take away is that this was a selective enforcement. My question is how many bastards like Manafort are robbing the US Treasury while enjoying the benefits of being a citizen of the United States. Manafort, Podesta, Republican, Democrat.....I don't care. Scum needs to be prosecuted and put in prison. Break somebodies nose in a bar fight and you can end up doing five years in Denver and these guys get to treat their crimes like doing 35 in a 25.
NvaGvUp, I've been following the trial closely and my take is that what Manafort was doing is "business as usual" for these characters(Manafort, Podesta....) that work internationally. Even if Mueller's team blows this case, I'm pissed. What is being described is disgusting and if it isn't against the law, we need to pass some new laws. I pay my taxes and am honest when I apply for loans and don't trade power for ill gotten money. If you want to call yourself an American, I want you paying your share too. Manafort seems to think he's special and it makes me mad.
You seem to be 'assuming' what you think you know is true.
I'm not going down that road.
If Manafort did what he's charged with, then throw him in jail and throw away the key.
But the reason we have trials is because we assume innocent until proven guilty based on the facts of the case. We do not do 'trial by media' nor 'trial about what we think we know because we read stuff on the internet!'
The Manafort trial is a disgrace to our justice system. This prosecution was strictly politically motivated only for a "hope". Had Manafort had damning information and turned he would have been given immunity and would walk free. So, Manafort did exactly what he was charged with but....but what? Everyone sitting in Congress if investigated by a special counsel with unlimited powers would be charged with crimes. This is common knowledge. Why do we sit on our hands and accept this travesty, but are only all too happy to see a Manafort get what is coming to him? Must we only accept those that the government deems and selectively discovers corrupt, while hiding and protecting themselves in plain site? Is this American justice or shall I say "this IS American justice.
Of course not, Kyle. You overlooked my simple point on how they're treating Manafort. It's as though he's the most dangerous fugitive in the country before he's been convicted of a thing. This is 100% politically motivated torture.
the only reason Mueller is going after Manafort is to try to get him to squeal on Trump ... the Judge said this not to far back... sing or compose .... and because Manafort was in the campaign Mueller is now punishing the guy even prior to a conviction... heck, those being held for attempted murder or a Islamic Radical holding kids and training them to kill get bail ... as said, this is nothing but politics and a hate towards Trump ... personally, I hope Manafort walks, as a bitch slap to Mueller and his biased team of Trump haters...
And back to the OP YFP. It’s been a while since this trial started. I must be delusional, as you described it, because this is not pivotal at all. This is nothing but Mueller and his very biased team trying to get Manafort to sing or compose. None of this “tax stuff” has anything to do with Trump
this "trial" has NOTHING to do with Trump, it has NOTHING to do with the campaign, it has NOTHING to do with collusion and it has NOTHING to do with Russia .... come on PutZ, show some PROOF where Trump is involved, where is the proof... put up or shut up ..
The ONLY reason this is going on now is because of his association with trump. Had he not worked for trump, there would never have been charges or a trial on such an old case where the facts have long been known to the authorities.
Because there are so many charges, it is likely that some will be guilty, some innocent, and some undecided. That is unless at least one juror is 100% voting their bias (for or against) instead of facts of the case in which case all could end up as undecided.
It is a travesty of justice that he is held in solitary without bail regardless of guilt or innocence.
Hahaha. They’re stuck on one count. Doesn’t mean they haven’t reached a conclusion on the other 17. Manafort is going to jail. And I’m sure trump will pardon him but then he faces state charges for which trump cannot pardon him. Oh well.
Once this guilty verdict lands Mueller is going to begin firing all cylinders
He knows a thing or two about busting a mob operation. Hit them hard and fast with a few surprises in store
This is exactly what trump fears. For good reason too.
So what they’re stuck on 1 count. And so what if he’s guilty. I’ll say it again, the only reason they’re after Manafort is because he worked for Trump for 100 days. As a matter of fact they thought about charging him for these same crimes back in ‘06 but the DA couldn’t come up with enough evidence to go through with it. What’s that tell you about this situation? Sure does smell like a rat
Rich come on. He Hid. Millions in income and fraudulently took out loans. Now you have no connection to trump. What do you think would happen to you if you did the same? You would spend decades in jail and have millions in fines. Manafort deserves no less
Based on Paul Zeidan's talking out his azz analogy OBOZO and Hilda should have been hung from trees. Bottom line is if he's clearly guilty he will be sentenced and he will pay his due. Bottom line is if he was guilty he should have paid that due a long time ago. Bottom line is this has nothing to do with President Trump. What a sniveling booger eating little pervert this Paul Zeidan is....
this case does NOT involve Russia, this case does NOT involve Trump, this case does NOT involve Collusion, this case does NOT involve Trumps campaign... what this case does involve is a guy who "supposedly" did something 10 years PRIOR to coming into contact with Trumps campaign ..... and is just another part of Mueller's witch hunt ..
That JTV is exactly the point. This is all on Manafort, the sad thing is it became part of the Mueller witch hunt. He will get a sentence if found guilty and pay his due. After a lengthy appeal process of course which could take a lot of time. Absolutely nothing that involves or could involve President Trump in any way. It is another demonstration of how delusional and desperate the blind dumb sheep liberals are. They'll still be clinging to a new made up crisis 5 years from now during President Trump's 2nd term!!
but I thought Trump only hired the best people? Did trump hire a known criminal? The answer is yes. Not only that, Trump worked with this known criminal for years before he became president. What does that tell you about Trump?
You can keep saying that Manafort has nothing to do with Trump but you are dead wrong. No matter how many times you say it.
OBOZO not only hired criminals, he hired Commies! In multitudes! Manafort is not by a long shot the only hire by President Trump that I didn't or don't like, but overall multitudes better than the globalists, America haters and racists we saw from Parasite Obama! Then you start comparing the results, we better start adding room on Mount Rushmore! Thank you President Trump!
And folks, when a leftist pig like Paul Zeidan says "I thought" he's already lying. The guy needs to buy a one way ticket to Syria....
All the insults won’t distract anyone from the fact that Cohen is about to enter into an agreement to help the govt. the best part? It’s not even Muellers investigation that’s at work here. It’s NYS and the Soutjern District of NY.
Oh right, they’re a bunch of “angry democrats” and part of the deep state too, right?
Face it. People who know things about trump won’t be able to keep his dirty secrets much longer. Tick, tock indeed boys.
Mueller had nothing on Cohen related to Trump, so he transferred the case to the Southern NY District. Cohen's case is completely unconnected with any of the amoeboid Muller "investigation". Putzedian logic grasps for (now illegal) plastic straws.
Paul Manafort had a bad day ... a jury found him guilty of 8 counts -- 5 tax fraud charges, 1 charge of hiding foreign bank accounts and 2 counts of bank fraud -- which could land him up to 80 years behind bars. He was not acquitted on a single charge but the jury deadlocked on 10 other counts. The judge declared a mistrial on those 10 counts.
Manafort found guilty on some charges, mistrial on all the others ...
BTW, it already has been said that Cohen has nothing to spill on Trump ...
NONE of these have anything to do with Trump nor his campaign nor Russia.... more failures by the Mueller witch hunt as all he can do is hit outlayers ..... Hmmmmm, how many Dem congressmen have been busted for the same crap thru the years ...
Considering it’s Cohen that just said, under oath and in front of a judge, that he committed crimes at the direction of and in coordination with a candidate for federal office(or trump), Yeah. I’d say Cohen will be one of a few that will take trump down. Thanks for the reminder Jeffrey.
Will be interesting to see how the next President with a D beside his name, and all that individuals known associates, it will be interesting to see if the same in depth scrutiny is applied. If this level of scrutiny had been directed at 0bama and his past, he never would have been elected, and sHillary would have never been a candidate.
No denial, just reality.... reality that with this whole witch hunt, Trump has NOTHING to do with any charges that was brought against Manafort or even Cohen for that matter ... .... still is no there there ... but yet, there is plenty there there against the DOJ/FBI/Clinton and all the rest of those dems ..
JTV, You should read the indictment that Cohen pleaded guilty to today. The connection to Trump is explicit. The indictment is 22 pages long and Trump is identified as the “President of the United States.”
If you don’t think this is real, you’re a strange dude.
Manafort lied to avoid paying the IRS as much as is required. Meanwhile, the IRS targeted citizens based on political ideology.
Guess which one I think is a bigger threat to America?
If Manafort serves time, there won't be any IRS officials sitting at the same lunch table. They all get to go about their lives free and we get stuck with a multi- million dollar payout to the groups they targeted.
Manafort cheated on his taxes? There aren't enough prisons to house everyone who has done that. Doesn't mean its ok but Government corruption falls way higher on my list of scary stuff.
"He knows a thing or two about busting a mob operation. Hit them hard and fast with a few surprises in store"
Yes. Mueller, the guy who KNOWINGLY put two INNOCENT men in prison for murders they did not commit so that he could cover up for the FBI/mob informants he was working with in Boston during the Winter Hill gang days does know a thing or two about mob prosecutions.
I am very much in favor of applying the LAW equally to all parties. ALL parties, and cannot wait to see how that works out for the Soros-Demons who sold America to the world with Obama at the lead.
Both Mueller and Comey made many millions working for corporate America between jobs with the DOJ and FBI sliding government contracts back and forth among them. Just another thing a Special Counsel needs to dig into. After Comey left the DOJ he went to work making millions and making the companies he worked for (like Lockheeds IT division) BILLIONS off of tax payer money through government contracts.. Then he tag teamed with Mueller taking the FBI from him so Mueller could go and make the millions by playing government favorites. Filthy dirty these two clowns.