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08-Aug-18

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"Emails Reveal High School Teachers Plotting To Hide Their Political Bias From Parents

The Left is abusing American high school education in its struggle to gain and retain political power. We only found out about this incident by accident. How many more?

By Ilya Feoktistov

Shortly after President Trump’s inauguration, a group of public school history teachers in the posh Boston suburb of Newton pledged to reject the “call for objectivity” in the classroom, bully conservative students for their beliefs, and serve as “liberal propagandist[s]” for the cause of social justice.

This informal pact was made in an exchange of emails among history teachers at Newton North High School, part of a very rich but academically mediocre public school district with an annual budgetof $200 million, a median home price of almost half a million, and a median household income of more than $120,000. Read the entire email exchange here.

I obtained the emails under a Massachusetts public records law after one of those teachers arranged, earlier this year, for an anti-Semitic and anti-Israel organization to show Palestinian propaganda films at Newton North. This stunt earned the Newton Public Schools district a rebuke from the New England branch of the Anti-Defamation League and from Boston’s Jewish Community Relations Council. But, as the teachers’ emails reveal, Jew-hatred is not the only specter haunting the history department at Newton North.

The Teachers Conspire to Hide Extreme Prejudice

It was late on a cold and snowy New England evening in February 2017, and Newton North history teacher Isongesit Ibokette was venting at his keyboard about the new guidelines for avoiding bias in teaching. They had been sent out by Newton North’s principal that morning, prompted by the general ill will among teachers for the new occupant of the White House.

The guidelines asked teachers to remain objective while teaching about historical and current events; and to treat all students, regardless of political opinion, with respect. Teachers were told: “For current controversial issues (health care, immigration, environmental policies, gun laws), teach students that there are different perspectives and present the reasoning of those who hold those different perspectives.”

Ibokette was having none of it. He typed this reply: “I am concerned that the call for ‘objectivity’ may just inadvertently become the most effective destructive weapon against social justice,” and sent it to the members of Newton North’s history department.

Ibokette was responding to an email from another Newton North history teacher, David Bedar. Bedar was same teacher who hosted the anti-Semites at Newton North, and has played a significant role in the years-long controversy over anti-Jewish bias in the public schools of the heavily Jewish suburb.

Earlier that February day, Bedar sent an email to fellow Newton North history faculty, accusing President Trump and his supporters of “nativism, xenophobia, homophobia, etc.,” and objecting to the following “don’ts” that the Newton North principal had asked teachers to avoid:

“Assume that all students agree with us. . . .”“Assume that all students feel comfortable disagreeing with us. . . .”“Present facts or logic that support only one side of a current controversial issue. . . .”“Present our own personal opinion on a current controversial issue as more right than another viewpoint. . . .”

These guidelines seem like Pedagogy 101, and are foundational to correctly applying logic and reason. Yet Bedar, who holds a master’s in teaching from the prestigious Duke University, admitted to his colleagues:

Personally, I’m finding it really difficult in the current climate to teach kids to appreciate other perspectives. . . [T]he ‘other viewpoint’ might not really be an argument ‘about which reasonable people can disagree’ and might not lead to any kind of intellectual, policy debate; it might just be blatantly racist. . . . [I]t feels wrong to not call out ideas that I know will offend many of my students and create a hostile and potentially unsafe environment. . . . I’m worried that as a school we’re so focused on making all kids feel safe and being PC that we’re not showing enough concern for [immigrant] students whose very rights to attend this school and receive an education are being seriously threatened. . . . I don’t feel good about protecting [a nativist] student’s right to a so?called ‘political’ view. . . Do I really have to avoid saying ‘I think nativism is bad?[‘] The eugenics movement was based in large part on immigrants destroying our country.

Bedar’s strawman argument is fallacious. Trump administration immigration policies and the Americans who support them have nothing to do with eugenics. To claim without evidence and by tenuous association that they do is repugnant.

Don’t Fire Me for Being a ‘Liberal Propagandist’

Much worse yet is Bedar’s display of extreme political intolerance toward the views of millions of his fellow Americans, among whom are, presumably, a number of his own students. Support for immigration law enforcement is by no means a fringe political perspective, even in Massachusetts. It is certainly not some sort of taboo that must be expunged from classroom debate, and Newton North guidelines explicitly tell teachers to teach about the reasoning behind different perspectives on immigration.

Yet, in remarkable language, Bedar demanded that the school allow him to propagandize against it, and to do so without any professional consequences: “I have an obligation to teach civic duty and teach kids right and wrong, and about social justice. . . . This will probably be an unpopular opinion, but I don’t actually think we should have the option of not discussing [social justice] issues. I feel responsible for doing so. . . . We can help kids interpret the lessons of the past better than anybody. I feel like a phony when I’m not doing that. . . . But..this is hard. I don’t want to get fired for being a liberal propagandist” (emphasis added).

Bedar is, of course, wrong on multiple levels. A master’s degree in teaching is risibly inadequate to qualify anyone as the arbiter of right and wrong, and a history teacher’s basic obligation is to teach history accurately and objectively. A sine qua non of that obligation is to avoid propaganda of any kind.

Unfortunately, Bedar does not seem to be very good at the actual basics of teaching history, much less at interpreting the lessons of the past, shortcomings for which he compensates by being a reasonably good propagandist. For example, Bedar’s erroneous belief to the contrary notwithstanding, the early twentieth-century eugenics movement was based less in conservative nativism than in the same New England progressivism Bedar preaches today. The eugenicist Immigration Restriction League was founded in Boston by threeHarvard progressives. As The Guardian well puts it, eugenics is “the skeleton that rattles loudest in the left’s closet.”

Propagandists Simplify Very Complex Events into Slogans

Indeed, if common cause with the eugenics movement is Bedar’s litmus test for approved opinions in the classroom, then opinions supporting deficit spending and birth control should be as forbidden there as nativism seems to be. Left-wing economist John Maynard Keynes called eugenics “the most important, significant and, I would add, genuine branch of sociology which exists,” and believed its implementation would “be a great moment in the progress of civilization.” Planned Parenthood founder Margaret Sanger was an inveterate eugenicist who believed that “the campaign for Birth Control is not merely of eugenic value, but is practically identical in ideal, with the final aims of Eugenics.”

All of this is not to argue over birth control, deficit spending, and which ideologies are responsible for what travesties. Rather, it is to say that history, politics, and ideology are complicated things. Yet, in the history lessons they teach, propagandist teachers like Bedar insist on reducing all of this complexity to a Manichean struggle between “right and wrong,” the essence of which they insipidly correlate with “Democrat and Republican.”

In that kind of lurid light, where no shades of gray can possibly exist, people who lack the “right” politics must pose, in Ibokette’s words, a “real, immediate, and present danger” to human progress, and to all that is right and good. Men who light up the world in such stark contrast fill history books with their crimes.

This Is Like My Childhood Education in the Soviet Union

The year after the Soviet Union fell, I entered fifth grade at State School No. 8 in the Siberian city of Tomsk, where I was born at the beginning of the end of that evil empire. Usually, Soviet children started learning the history of Russia in fifth grade, but my teacher told the class that she had nothing to teach us anymore.

Left-wing activists are dug in at all stages of the American educational process from preschool to graduate school.

“The old history books are useless now,” I distinctly remember her telling us. “They were full of Communist Party lies.” Just like that, the entire monument of official Soviet history, built upon an ideological foundation of lies and held together by despotism, crashed as soon as the coercive power that had kept it upright for 74 years disappeared in an instant.

Undaunted by the failures of their comrades in the Soviet Union and other socialist hell-holes, left-wing activists are dug in at all stages of the American educational process from preschool to graduate school, where they seek to replicate the Soviet Union’s abuse of its children’s minds with lurid lies.

Even science education is facing a hostile takeover by progressive luddites with scientific degrees who insist, as one biology PhD student did recently, that “to think there are universal truths perpetuates a particular kind of able bodied white cisgender male logic.” The result of all this left-wing obscurantism is a brainwashed Generation Z that inhabits a false reality colored in stylized black and white by leftist dogma—the same false reality that Soviet school and preschool battered into me as a child.

The Teachers’ Administrators Back Them Up

After Bedar complained that he didn’t want to get fired for being a “liberal propagandist,” his fellow history teacher, Ibokette, wrote back: “David, if you get fired for doing exactly what history teachers, and indeed all rational and ethical?minded adults should indeed be doing, I will be right behind you.”

I wish this would happen, not because I want them punished, but because I think the way they teach history is a form of child abuse. But Bedar and Ibokette’s superiors, all the way up the ladder, are fully on board with this abuse. Bedar’s direct supervisor, Newton North history department chair Jonathan Bassett, replied to his revolt against reason with this: “David: Your ‘essay’ is very good, and raises a lot of the questions that we are all dealing with. . . . We are in unprecedented times, and we are all struggling to do good.”

The Left is abusing American high school education in its struggle—not to do good, but to gain and retain political power. The ongoing trend of growing political intolerance and ideological bigotry among the newest American adults will continue, and nothing good will come of it. In the Soviet Union, I’ve seen what young people could be turned into, what I myself could be turned into. Trust me, America hasn’t seen anything yet.

Ilya Feoktistov is a member of the board of directors of Americans for Peace and Tolerance."

From: Brotsky
08-Aug-18
Anybody who didn't already know that our public education system is a bastion for liberal thought and indoctrination has had their head in the sand!

From: JTV
08-Aug-18
kinda highlights the socialist/prog./lib teacher, er ah "indoctrinator" we have that spews his trash on here dosnt it ....

08-Aug-18
While I am appalled by this info, I am not surprised, and we must remember that there ARE good educators out there not involved in this crap.

I was pleasantly surprised recently when talking about global warming with my eldest granddaughter, who lives in Massachusetts, and she explained that her teachers are not pushing global warming and have actually mildly doubted it at times.

From: MK111
08-Aug-18
It's not only the teachers. I know a lady teacher working at a Catholic grade school that the priest asked her no to drive their SUV to school or church because it had a small NRA Life sticker in the window. He husband got pissed and bought a NRA Life sticker about 2 ft in diameter. Then told the priest it's the only SUV she had to drive so pick her and bring her home every day. The priest sorta gave up.

From: venison
08-Aug-18
X2 Brotsky , most teachers are liberals , maybe not all ,but most .

08-Aug-18
Yes, unfortunately, the Catholic Church has been on the wrong side of many issues.

08-Aug-18
Any teacher that ‘doubts’ climate change is denying science. That’s not what academics do. Sure, question and verify but there’s far too many peer reviewed scientific research to deny it.

Maybe most teachers are liberal because for too long the public has diminished the respect that teachers deserve. They’ve diminished their importance and their role in shaping our young people.

For too long teachers have been 1) the cause of economic woes

2) demonized for their unions

3) attacked for protecting immigrants (documented or otherwise) as well as protecting the LGBTQ kids and children that are forgotten by too many (poor, malnourished, abused and neglected kids)

When we come to their aid and support them, we’re called liberals. When we embrace outcast kids, we’re called liberals.

It’s a badge of honor. I wear it gladly.

From: Woods Walker
08-Aug-18
Do you embrace being an admitted repeated liar also sh*thead? Your entire existence is a lie. All 35+ of them.

From: Bentstick81
08-Aug-18
I think each and every class room should be filmed and taped. That way, parents can watch how a teacher teaches the kids in their class, and make sure the teachers isn't over stepping their grounds.

From: JTV
08-Aug-18
Badge of honor my rear, PutZ has no honor ... he lies to students, like he does on here, filling their heads with socialist mush ... PutZ is a disgrace to the virtuous and honorable teachers out there ..

09-Aug-18
If You’re so virtuous and honorable , teach!

I’m sure your jovial and warm demeanor would be welcomed by all kids!

Oh right, you just talk a good game from behind that keyboard. Carry on.

From: Thumper
09-Aug-18
These teachers, including yfp, need to be fired and stripped of the teaching credentials. Down side to this is they'd just end up teaching in some muslim terrorist camp.

From: Tiger eye
09-Aug-18
@ yfp Abortion ends a life. Are pro choice science deniers?

From: Salagi
09-Aug-18
"most teachers are liberals , maybe not all ,but most ."

That may very well be true in some parts of the nation but I don't believe it is around here. Certainly there are some liberal teachers where I teach but most are not. You can be very caring of students, including the outcasts that PZ speaks of and still be as conservative as anyone. Compassion is not limited to any political ideology in spite of what many claim.

As to global warming, certainly the winters here are warmer than when I was a kid 40-50 years ago. They are also warmer than when my father was a kid 80-90 years ago. We can look at weather data to determine that. Summers by the way do not seem to be hotter which is interesting to me. But, there is really no evidence that it is primarily due to man made influence. Many scientists do not buy into the man made hypothesis, but instead look at global data trends and believe instead in natural cycles. I throw both ideas out to my students and let them decide because in spite of what many think (and some textbooks say), true science encourages skepticism to get as much information as you are able.

As to the teachers in the OP, they were just plain wrong in their actions, that was uncalled for.

From: JTV
09-Aug-18
PutZ, I do teach.. I taught Hunter Education classes !! ... you dimwitted fool ...

09-Aug-18
Hahaha. Oh right. Teaching how to follow a blood trail and properly field dressing a deer is exactly like teaching school.

Adorable.

From: Trax
09-Aug-18
"Any teacher that ‘doubts’ climate change is denying science."

Any moron who states this lie has identified him/herself as such. Dr. Richard Lindzen was also a teacher and beyond, at MIT. One of the greatest minds in atmospheric science and climatology. The father of our satellite system. He would not only NOT agree with that lie believed by Paul Zeidan, he would also think him a moron. Dr. Lindzen is but one of hundreds of esteemed scientists who do not believe man is cooking the planet in any way. And as more time passes and more research is done former Algorians like Nobelist Ivar Giaver comments "how stable weather/climate has been in the last 150 years". Chicken Little's day has passed.

Paul Zeidan tries to paint himself a hero. The Commie has soiled the Marine Corp by parading around in to him what was a costume, unless he is lying about that too. He has "helped" kids he says. First of all, ALL good people have helped kids. Based on what we see from the lying Commie here, what Paul Zeidan has done is POISON kids.

And again, ANYBODY here ILLEGALLY is a criminal. We need to make the word illegal mean something again and we need to secure our borders. Illegal invaders are just exactly THAT. ILLEGAL INVADERS.

From: JTV
09-Aug-18
PutZ, once again you prove yourself to be the ass we all know you are ....a true POS ..

From: keepemsharp
09-Aug-18
PZ: are you unemployed or wealthy? How can you respond instantly?

From: HA/KS
09-Aug-18
There are many teachers who are politically conservative. I have also known some very effective teachers who are politically liberal.

Overall, I believe that a higher percent of teachers lean left than in the general population. I believe this also to be true in all other government employees, media, entertainment, and medical profession groups. I am sure that there are other employment groups where this would apply.

From: BIG BEAR
09-Aug-18
Government employees ?? Police/Fire/Military lean towards conservative in my opinion. Heavily.

From: BIG BEAR
09-Aug-18
Liberal....... teachers (many)

Liberal...... therapists (most)

Liberal...... actors (almost all)

Liberal...... social workers (most)........

Liberal....... Animal rights activists..... (Almost all)

From: JTV
09-Aug-18
I knew who he is talking about, and it isnt the tactical "employees" he means .... hell, I dont believe the DOJ/FBI is overly conservative, not in their upper echelons anyways .... those who are field agents sure maybe .. the ones I know are pretty much ..

From: BIG BEAR
09-Aug-18
Agreed Jeff,,,,,,,,

Liberal continuing....... clothes designers........ hair stylists ....... cat salespeople...... cat groomers.....

Disclaimer...... I’m not bashing liberals.... just pointing out places to readily find them........

Like at a Cher concert........

From: HA/KS
09-Aug-18
"Police/Fire/Military lean towards conservative in my opinion. Heavily."

These people were not even in my mind when I said "government employees."

Rank and file probably lean conservative - at least in red areas. Public employee union leaders? No. Even in the reddest states they are leftists.

From: BIG BEAR
09-Aug-18
Probably cat lovers too.....:-)

From: Bentstick81
09-Aug-18
"Teaching how to follow a blood trail and properly field dressing a deer is exactly like teaching school." JTV, Now i see why this individual wants gun control. He needs it. Has no idea what a HUNTERS SAFETY COURSE even is. There's that splash sound you hear, when someone jumps in over his head. 8^)

From: JTV
09-Aug-18
Ive been doing so for many years now ... Its teaching both youth and adults safety and even history and proper firearm safety and handling and ethics, also lessons on game management, and methods of hunting... much goes into these classes ... yes, I'm a teacher/instructor ... at least I teach these people useful information, not filling their heads with mush from a blathering socialist/commie ...

09-Aug-18
Jeff,

Some of the skills used in HE classes are common to what should transpire in formal education, such as effective communication.

But I have seen both liberal and conservative colleagues who can help form proper critical thinking technigues in their students and some from both groups who can not.

From: JTV
09-Aug-18
Ive been in front of big groups before doing seminars, speaking to town councils, been on TV and radio, ... these places and people the deserve a certain decorum and proper use of language ... here, not so much ;0) ..

From: BIG BEAR
09-Aug-18
Do you happen to have links to your TV and radio interviews ??

From: JTV
09-Aug-18

JTV's Link
nope, those were back in and around 1999 thru 2002/3 when I was on the Indiana Dunes Region Deer Study Committee ... the DNR asked me to be a "share holder" on behalf of the Indiana Bowhunters Association and look at various ways of managing the ever increasing deer herd in NW Indiana ... I was one of over a dozen that participated... some were DNR personnel, some animal rights people/veternarians, some were from town councils and the county ... it went on for 6 months, we had various "experts" tesify and we could ask questions... One of those was the head of the HSUS contraception program.... another was Jay MacAnnich who is now part of the sportsmans caucus and another was from NY and with the USFW and how they controlled deer with managed hunts ....and we finally came to the conclusion, though not a full consensus that lethal removal of deer was the only method that actually worked... that could be thru open hunting, managed/controlled hunts or sharpshooting.... the ARA people were the holdouts and wanted contraception to be used of course... that is when I helped formulate a urban bowhunt program for one of the local towns... thru the years since, hundreds of deer have been removed by bowhunters in that berg ... Its is also when I and a few others helped cement the Indiana Hunter Harrassment Law when we had charges filed against some HSUS types.. we won, and it set the precedent in Indiana for that law ... I was very involved in those days with promoting bowhunting as a management tool for use in towns and locales where feasible ... we even did a hunt/reduction and study at one of our big Power Stations/sites in Wheatfield, Indiana ...

https://www.in.gov/judiciary/opinions/pdf/01170707pdm.pdf

09-Aug-18
Missed my point, there is a lot more to teaching effectively than just communicating. What we try to accomplish in HE classes does not parallel formal education. It does share some commonalities, some being key. Your assessment that we spread commie propaganda, while certainly does take place, from my experience is not the norm, but the exception-even from my liberal colleagues. Sells well here though!

From: JTV
09-Aug-18
HFW, who spreads commie prop ?... I was referring to PutZ and what he does with his students ..

09-Aug-18
Jeff, based on what he has posted, if it is the truth, he tries to keep his biases in check in front of students. I hope so!

From: JTV
09-Aug-18
you really believe him ?? ........ I sure as heck dont and wont .... ever ..

09-Aug-18
I think Paul gets a kick out of lighting some of you guys up. It is a game with him. I wish you could just laugh at it all, it would do you good. In the scheme of things, none of us are worth the heartburn.

From: Will
09-Aug-18
JTV - awesome job on the hunter access work you have done and hunter activism. That's awesome! Ditto the HS teaching, very cool!

Teaching, is not a hand me down profession. It's an incredibly professional field. Reams of scientific study goes into understanding HOW to get information into people in way's which they can apply. Not one way, but as many way's as possible. Since not every person (kid, young adult or adult) will learn the same subject the same way. Likewise a lot of effort goes into understanding the specific subject matter and related fields. Teachers need to do a lot of learning to be able to do what they do well.

Do you have "bad" ones? Sure. You have bad physicians, plumbers, physicists etc. as well.

The teachers approaching things as they did in the initial post were off mark.

But overall... Being a teacher is a seriously impressive endeavor!

From: HA/KS
09-Aug-18

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From: BIG BEAR
09-Aug-18
Jeff....... Come on man..... Stop trying to be an expert in EVERYTHING.......... please !!!! Teaching hunter safety does not compare to being a school teacher...... Please !!!!! Stop !!!!!! You are so full of yourself.....

From: JTV
09-Aug-18
did I say it was, I said I do teach/instruct, it is teaching is it not, yes it is .... maybe not on the same par as a good "school teacher" but it is still teaching and instructing and I enjoy doing so and do a damn good job too .... hell, a dim witted monkey could do a better job than PutZ does I would surmise ... considering the lack of quality with some of these "teachers" it seems they give out teaching degrees to about anyone ... there isnt enough quality teachers and that is for sure ...

From: BIG BEAR
09-Aug-18
I’m not defending him,,, I’m just asking you to try to stop piping in like you’re an expert on EVERYTHING....... I mean sheesh...... most of the guys here have taught someone something at some point in their lives.... But that doesn’t compare to being a school teacher.....

Jeff.......... You said you spent about 20 years in the big box stores in the archery and firearms departments......... now you have returned to a security company......... Honest work...... Stop trying to impress people.

From: JTV
10-Aug-18
again, did I say it was... no I did not ... go back and re read what I wrote .... I said I teach, I teach Hunters Ed... then read what I wrote above your last post ... there isnt enough "good" teachers out there, I wish there was, it can be a tough job, but very rewarding ... for those in the inner cities, it can be like a war zone ..... there too many like PutZ I'm afraid... the damn unions keep the bad in the classrooms ...

From: HA/KS
10-Aug-18

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I just noticed the emphasis on ONE reason only, then it goes on to list three. :-)

From: BC
10-Aug-18
Education system in MA is almost all left wing. When my daughter was in school she had a knock down drag out with her alleged teacher over his constant leftist propaganda. He made the mistake of tearing down our troops while her brother was deployed in Iraq. He only made that mistake once.

10-Aug-18
Hmm. Sept to Nov I teach ancient civilizations. Paleolithic man to Neolithic then to the first civilizations. Egypt, Mesopotamia etc. liberal slant there? Find one! Nov to January it’s the classic civilizations. Greece, Rome, China and the world religions/philosophies. Liberal bias? Where?

Feb to May it’s the Middle Ages and the Renaissance followed by the age of exploration May-June it’s explorers in the Americas. Oh is teaching how those explorers killed hundreds of thousands of natives a liberal bias? Or maybe just facts.

Again I teach the curriculum. Not my opinion, not what is told on talk shows. The curriculum. Got a problem w it? Talk to your states ed departments.

From: Bentstick81
10-Aug-18
BC. This is where taped classroom would stop this. Every classroom needs to be taped, so when a moron teacher does this, you would be able to nail them.

10-Aug-18
Does what Jeffrey? Teach the curriculum. The one approved by the state, the parents, the Board of Ed and school administration?

From: Trax
10-Aug-18
The likes of an America hating Commie like Paul Zeidan would try to spread his hatred of America and capitalism and ambition and free enterprise and liberty and individual earned wealth no matter what he tried to do for his "living". It certainly doesn't matter what courses he might teach from math to physical education. A so called "teacher" can try to influence students every time they open their mouth.

" Oh is teaching how those explorers killed hundreds of thousands of natives a liberal bias? Or maybe just facts. "

Paul Zeidan has never cared about facts, and in some cases he's to ignorant and dumb to know them. If one would teach facts about "natives" he would teach how tribes were not shocked by the power the whites brought, domination had been the name of the game long before whitey showed up. In just a couple examples the Sioux and Blackfeet were not "native" to the lands whitey found them in. They had moved in there from the far NE and butchered the people that were there before them. Butcher, enslave, assimilate, or drive them to the mountains where it was near impossible to make a living. THAT'S what the Sioux and Blackfeet did, THAT is what all tribes did, THAT is the fact. THAT is why some tribes like the Crow and Pawnee teamed up with the whites to defeat the Sioux. They didn't like the whites but they loathed and despised the Sioux and wanted them exterminated. It goes on and on. The vast majority of tribes practiced one form of slavery or another. Most were experts at torturing their enemies and took great joy in doing so. Legendary at how some tribes excelled at keeping their victims alive as long as possible. Whites called them savages not for how they treated the women and children of the whites, but because of how they treated their OWN women and children. Just one more example of how the likes of Paul Zeidan POISON students with lies, ignorance, and liberalism.

By the way, AMERICA took much of the eastern USA from the British, not the Indians. America BOUGHT much of central USA from the French and took much of the far west from the Spanish and NW from the Russians. BOUGHT Alaska from the Russians. I'm sure a Commie like Paul Zeidan teaches that too.

10-Aug-18
Oh SZ, You’re the perfect example of the adage “a little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing”. Ps. Where did you get your knowledge of natives? A teacher? No, of course not. This commies do t know anything. A book written by someone who agrees with you? Hmm. Did you vet the author? What’s their credentials? Or do you just go along with whoever feeds your thoughts on things?

10-Aug-18
I am a fierce and passionate defender of teaching. Simply put, it’s been my experience that Conservatives wantschool children to be taught a simple truth: that the United States was and is the world’s greatest nation and could do no wrong. In their view, patriotism represented acceptance of that very point. Questioning any aspect of U.S. policy or its role in history was unpatriotic.

For those who find it so easy to tell teachers how to do their jobs, would you be so willing to tell a lawyer how to do his? Would you point out how they give their clients “liberal bias?” What about doctors? Are you so arrogant as to tell a doctor how to treat their patients? How dare that doctor tell that patient that smoking is bad! Capitalism and conservatives only believe in personal choice and responsibility! It’s astounding that teaching seems to be the one profession that everyone can “do” yet the most critical would never last a day with 30 adolescents in a room and casually leave that part out as they demand teachers do this and that.

Really amazing.

From: Trax
10-Aug-18
I taught plenty when working towards an advanced degree, Commie. Another stroke of ignorance and arrogance by Paul Zeidan when trying to compare teachers to professionals like lawyers and doctors. For the record even doctors are often ignorant to many aspects of medicine outside their interest and not just in narrow scope terms. Most doctors are illiterate when it comes to understanding and treating something as common and simple as Lyme disease for one example. There are good teachers and bad teachers. Teachers that teach hatred for America are the very worst scum.

From: K Cummings
10-Aug-18
I have on a number of occasions, taught Dave Ramsey's Generation Change course to the youth at my church.

Does that qualify me as a teacher?

:)

KPC

From: Trax
10-Aug-18
Actually KC, yes it does. And a very important one.

From: Will
10-Aug-18
Not to go down a crazy worm hole, but treating tick born illness is some where between run of the mill and epic in terms of difficulty. Some ID docs specialize in it it can be so complex... Hence so many horrible outcomes like heart block, needing new heart valves etc. Trax, not trying to be a jerk... It makes your point stronger actually... There is so much to know, no one can be an expert in all of it.

From: Trax
10-Aug-18
That's kind of my point. Doctors and yes attorneys need far more education and must deal with a far wider expanse of issues (and sometimes life threatening issues) than teachers do. And again, there are good teachers and bad teachers, good doctors and better doctors, same for all professions. To try to make teachers and doctors look like they sit on equal billing is a JOKE. That is what our resident Commie Paul Ziedan is, a JOKE. What is sad is apparently the America hating Marxist is allowed near children.

10-Aug-18
Did not a lot of the natives die from exposure to viruses/diseases that they had no immunity for, and for which the knowledge of was lacking by all? Do you tell them that?

10-Aug-18
Of course I do Frank. European explorers killed hundreds of thousands unwittingly with diseases they never faced before.

10-Aug-18
Good, but the way you are saying it Paul it almost sounds, to me, that you still place blame with the Europeans.

I am glad you responded truthfully. I was about ready to believe what others have been saying.

FYI, there was a lot of tribal warfare between varying tribes. And it was brutal.

I still realize natives we're not treated fairly, but especially so when viewed through a lens of today's standards.

Peace.

From: Trax
10-Aug-18
Indians in this country were butchering, enslaving, raping, and murdering each other for thousands of years before whitey got here. Not isolated cases, by design in mass. There are equally thousands of examples, but using the Blackfeet they drove the indigenous Salish and Kootenai people into the mountains and murdered the ones who didn’t leave when they claimed their ground. And of course, at some point those people did the same before. Power and savagery was nothing whitey brought new to North America. Sacagawea was Shoshone. Why was she living with the Hidatsa people when Lewis and Clark found her? Because she was kidnapped by them when she was a young girl, a common practice of all tribes. Kidnap young girls and murder young braves. Why was the Hidatsa people living within the confines of the Mandan people? Because the Mandan Sioux had assimilated them. Essentially enslaved them. Why was she with Charbonneau when they found her? Because he owned her, he bought her off the Hidatsa. Another common practice. With the liar the likes of a Commie like Paul Zeidan is he would never tell such truths even if he was informed enough to know them. What happened with these people was not isolated. Conquerring and taking land while raping, kidnapping and murdering all those there before was the rule of law among Indian nations. The strong ruled and took what they wanted. Teach students these truths, that all people can do good and all people can do bad. Overall, no country has done near the good America has done for the world. Not even close. Try teaching that too. I’m not talking to Paul Zeidan here, he is beyond hope. He should not be allowed near children.

10-Aug-18
Conquering and taking lands was definitely the era. It’s why they called it the age of exploration. And regardless if the natives were slaughtering each other, how does that make it OK for Europeans to come and kill them?

No one is completely blameless in the age of exploration. But do you realize there are only a certain number of weeks dedicated to each learning unit? So as in-depth as you would like teachers to get, we only have 10 months in which to impart a state mandated curriculum.

What you’re describing above and the detail that he wished teachers would get involved in should be left to a college course.

And it is your opinion that the formation of America has been the best thing to happen to the world. We do not teach opinions.

11-Aug-18
The subject matter and/or time of the year that it is taught is not the primary issue.

Nor are the text books which over emphasize some events and under emphasize others with an America hating bent.

The primary issue is the lefty-ization of all things American in a concerted effort to push this nation to the lower achievement levels of the rest of the world as they set the stage for the totalitarian one-world-government the globalists desire.

PutZ is an agent of this destruction along with all his commiE buddies. However, the pendulum is beginning to swing the other way as more people daily realize the fatal trap that is the left.

11-Aug-18
Paul,

The Europeans did nothing that was not already being done, you finally admit that. Yet you choose to be selectively critical of Europeans. You are earning your American hating label sir.

I will say it, America is the best thing in modern times to have happened to the world. I believe our formation and survival are the result of Divine Intervention. Without us, evil would have reigned supreme.

Is our history perfect, absolutely not! We are humans, and all humans have faults. Are we better today than yester year? Yes. We will continue to improve? Hopefully that is in God's plan. No doubt we will continue to make mistakes.

Most liberals like yourself seem to focus on the negatives of our culture and the mistakes in our past while ignoring our vast positive contributions, and also down playing the sins of others. Like some of my colleagues here, I am concerned that you as a teacher let those biases shine through as you present the approved curriculum. I hope I am incorrect, but if not you, and all teachers approaching instruction with an Anti-American bias should be removed from the classroom. The truth requires all of the facts, not just your slant on them.

Trax, great job! One of the few times Paul was forced to admit another's command of facts was superior. I extend my respect sir.

From: Trax
11-Aug-18
Paul Zeidan admits he has 10 months to lie to and indoctrinate students. When you are telling one side of a story or only ignorantly know one side of the story you are a liar and or ignorant fool.

"And regardless if the natives were slaughtering each other, how does that make it OK for Europeans to come and kill them?"

"Natives" were also slaughtering whites. Indians were killing whites. Why? For the same reason Indians were killing Indians, power and control of land. And vice versa. Indians were not in the least defenseless and innocent like Paul Zeidan tries to portray them. They were no more the victim than the many thousands before them or at any other place in the world. The difference is the whites were much stronger for a number of reasons.

"And it is your opinion that the formation of America has been the best thing to happen to the world. We do not teach opinions."

Commies like Paul Zeidan claim to not "teach" opinions. At the same time they lie and indoctrinate with liberalism with every chance they get. Absolutely pathetic. America as I portrayed it was factual. It was not just opinion. No nation has done more good for the world than this country by a very long shot. It continues to, we just need to keep the tyrannical globalists and socialists at bay.

11-Aug-18
“yet you choose to be selectively critical of Europeans. You are earning your American hating label sir.”

I’m teaching about European explorers so now I hate America. That is a hell of a leap.

It’s clear your hatred of teachers supersedes any reason.

So we’ll continue to agree to disagree

From: Mike in CT
11-Aug-18
Frank & Trax-good points and very well presented; no slant, no bias, just a simple listing of the facts.

I trust it did not escape either of your notice that a false equivalence was posited to try and discredit your points? Nowhere did either of you infer, imply or in any way state that because indigenous populations practiced a certain act it was "ok" for any succeeding population to replicate the act. The attempt to create a false equivalence is the hallmark of an argument bereft of fact; I don't say "liberal" argument as that assumes only one ideology holds sway over that tactic; the fact is its ubiquitous; anyone and everyone can do it, the common denominator is its practiced by those incapable (either because they lack the acumen, integrity or both, or are on the wrong side of the facts) to argue on a purely factual basis.

Frank, you may have made a point that floated over the head of your intended audience; bias can be directly conveyed or it can be implied; omitting facts while not directly demonstrating bias nonetheless implies bias as lies of omission are every bit as damaging as those of commission, and some have argued (and I agree with them) that the latter is more dangerous as it hides behind the veil of half-truths.

A final observation; speaking in half-truths is slanting the facts and effectively veers from teaching fact to rendering opinion. The distinction is that practice allows the moral coward to imply they're not teaching opinion.

From: Trax
11-Aug-18
As always, you're spot on Mike. Please post more often. I did realize what Paul Zeidan was doing but you see he always does it. It's all he has. It's always to be expected.

11-Aug-18
So Says the king of straw man arguing.

11-Aug-18
Thanks Mike, coming from you that is a big compliment!

Paul, how can I hate teachers when I am one?

From: Bentstick81
11-Aug-18
HforW. And by the way you present yourself, i can tell that you are one of the good one's.

11-Aug-18
Thank you, I try, and fail at times.

From: Hackbow
11-Aug-18
"Oh is teaching how those explorers killed hundreds of thousands of natives a liberal bias? Or maybe just facts."

Yet, this piece of fecal matter, along with every other POS liberal defends, supports and promotes the murder of millions of babies.

Liberalism is not just a mental disorder, it is the gathering place for sickos.

From: JTV
13-Aug-18

JTV's Link
I dont and will never trust what PutZ says he does in the classroom, he's proven himself to be a liar way to many times on here... the classroom is a perfect place to indoctrinate these kids with all types of anti-american/socialist/progressive/liberal thoughts.... just once sentence will do from time to time, dosnt have to be glaring .. a word used here or there, a subtle suggestion ...

http://insider.foxnews.com/2018/08/13/anti-trump-teachers-conspired-reject-teaching-objectivity-students

From: JTV
26-Aug-18

JTV's Link
Seems like these socialists already have at least one in at Briar Cliff High School ...

https://www.westernjournal.com/ct/dem-socialist-pamphlet-move-teacher-unions-militant-direction/

From: JTV
26-Aug-18

JTV's Link
http://insider.foxnews.com/2018/08/25/young-democratic-socialists-america-releases-pamphlet-targeting-teachers-unions-michael

From: Annony Mouse
27-Aug-18
Knowles: Dem Socialists Pushing To Infiltrate Schools Because ‘They Can’t Win In The Battle Of Ideas’

They are already in the schools.

Via Fox News:

Radio host Michael Knowles said on “Fox & Friends” that Democratic Socialists are urging Socialists to become teachers because they can’t win a “fair fight.”

A pamphlet by the Young Democratic Socialists of America (YDSA), in conjunction with the Democratic Socialist Labor Commission, outlines a push for socialists to “take jobs as teachers” as a way to move teachers unions “in a more militant and democratic direction.”

Knowles said that according to numerous surveys, “the blood-soaked history” of socialism is unknown by millennials, leading them to identify as supporters of the movement.

Campus Reform reported that the YDSA’s 11-page pamphlet notes teachers are able to use their relationships with students to discuss “campaigns around police brutality, immigrant rights, and environmental justice.”

The Democratic Socialist platform was championed by Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) two years ago on the campaign trail.

Using the same platform, young political newcomer Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez won a shock victory in June over Rep. Joe Crowley (N.Y.) in a Democratic primary.

A new poll also revealed that more Democrats have a positive view about socialism than those who express a positive view about capitalism.

Knowles said Saturday that he believes Democratic Socialists are targeting the teaching industry and as a result, students, because they can’t win against adults.

“They can’t win in the battle of ideas,” he said.

He said that instead, Democratic Socialists are trying to cut off any thought of freedom by students and replace it with socialist ideology.

“They’ve got to indoctrinate an ideology rather than educate in history because if they teach history, they’re going to lose,” he said.

continued at link

From: Annony Mouse
27-Aug-18

From: JTV
28-Aug-18
TTT for Slade

From: slade
28-Aug-18
gracious

School reverses Pledge of Allegiance policy after criticism Updated Aug 09, 2018 By Arlinda Smith Broady, The Atlanta Journal-Constitution An Atlanta charter school moved the timing of its recitation of the Pledge of Allegiance as the school year started, but reversed course after the move attracted criticism.

The Atlanta Neighborhood Charter School’s early all-school meeting of students and parents had traditionally included the pledge, until this year. Elementary campus principal Lara Zelski notified parents that the pledge was being moved to classrooms because of concerns from some parents and students.

She explained: “Over the past couple of years it has become increasingly obvious that more and more of our community were choosing to not stand and/or recite the pledge. There are many emotions around this and we want everyone in our school family to start their day in a positive manner. After all, that is the whole purpose of our morning meeting.”

She proposed creating a school pledge for the all-school meeting based on “students’ civic responsibility to their school family, community, country and our global society.”

Liberalism is a mental disorder

From: Trax
28-Aug-18
It's at the point to where what do we do about it in our schools? Almost all of our Christian Universities are controlled and managed by the liberal machine. The indoctrination in our government schools from Elementary on is pretty complete. Most of these kids will be immune to the indoctrination because of good sound upbringings at home, but what about the big block of others? Until they begin to learn the truth about the real world they will follow like sheep and many will never learn. Many will never pursue truth, will never educate themselves, will never keep an open mind and study history and economics with that open mind and the key is even outside an ideal situation.

I have been in the real world for but a few years now. I was never home, my career had kept me away from being a hands on parent and I deeply regret that part of it now. I missed holidays and birthdays by the dozens. I did the best I could while away and was home for blocks of time here and there, but could never become part of a community. I wasn't in the world a normal family lives in. I can't fully even take that role now. Fortunately I have a strong and motivated wife who picked up the slack and was always there for them when I could not be. My kids are now young adults and very well situated, very good people, and as it happens conservative. Even with me not being there, even with the indoctrination of liberal schools. It CAN be done, we CAN raise our children to ask the right questions and find the truth for themselves.

What I'm saying is I don't think we can change our government or private schools anytime soon for the most part. It all comes back to individual responsibility.

From: slade
28-Aug-18
A fifth-grader in North Carolina is being punished over his decision to call his teacher

“ma’am.”

A 10-year-old boy in North Carolina has been punished by his teacher for calling her “ma’am” according to report. The student, Tamarion Wilson, was asked as a punishment to write the word “ma’am” over and over again until he had filled the front and back of a page of notebook paper. According to reports, the teacher told Tamarion that she wanted to throw something at him after he called her “ma’am” one too many times.

A report from the Daily Mail theorizes that the teacher may have rejected the label “ma’am” because it is often reserved for married women. The teacher may have viewed “ma’am” as a sign of disrespect when used to address a non-married woman.

Tamarion’s father, McArthur Bryant, said that he raised his son to address adults with terms of respect like “sir” and “ma’am.” “As a father, to feel kind of responsible for that…knowing that I have been raising him and doing the best that I can, it’s not acceptable,” Bryant said in a comment to a local news outlet.

Wilson, who had recently been hospitalized for a seizure disorder that can cause memory issues, has requested to switch out of the teacher’s classroom. Last week, the school principal granted his request to transfer classrooms.

So here we have a triggered brownshirt picking on a disabled kid with no repercussions, disgusting.

From: slade
29-Aug-18
Portland School Teachers Given “Social Justice” Guides – Praising Islam, Che Guevara, Black Panthers, Teachers in Portland Public Schools are being given a teaching guide called “Planning to Change The World – A Plan Book For Social Justice Teachers.” At $18.00 a piece, with 3500 teachers, well, you can do the math to see how much money they’re spending just on this planning book.

From: slade
29-Aug-18

slade's Link
There’s even a section to help teachers to stop using offensive and oppressive terms such as “boy” or “girl” in an effort to be more sensitive to trans and gender non-conforming students. These are designed to cater to kids as young as 5 years old.

The bowlibs source of information, where mental disorders are in full bloom.

From: Annony Mouse
29-Aug-18
Brown University Censors Gender Dysmorphia Study

You mean impressionable kids who may have psychological issues are influenced by social media?

Who would have thought? But Brown doesn’t have the courage of NPR, to report something that goes against the narrative.

Via Free Beacon:

Brown University is censoring findings from its own study on transgender youth, which found evidence that teens can be influenced by social media and their friend circles to want to change their gender identity.

Brown took down a news article about the study on “rapid-onset gender dysphoria,” a phenomenon where teens in a friend group who never experienced questions about their gender before, suddenly identify as transgender at the same time. This occurs typically after a flood of social media use, and binge-watching YouTube videos about transitioning.

The Daily Wire first reported Brown’s removal of its transgender research. The Ivy League university claims it is still committed to “academic freedom.”

“In on-line forums, parents have been reporting that their children are experiencing what is described here as ‘rapid-onset gender dysphoria,’ appearing for the first time during puberty or even after its completion,” wrote the study’s author Lisa Littman, an assistant professor in behavioral sciences at Brown. “The onset of gender dysphoria seemed to occur in the context of belonging to a peer group where one, multiple, or even all of the friends have become gender dysphoric and transgender-identified during the same timeframe.”

Keep reading…

From: Annony Mouse
29-Aug-18
Related to above:

Bullied to Suicide for Being Gay at Age 9

A 9-year-old in Denver is said to have been bullied to suicide after announcing his gayness to classmates:

Jamel Myles just started fourth grade last Monday and was eager to open up to his peers after coming out as gay to his mom over the summer. …

“He was gonna tell people he’s gay because he’s proud of himself,” his mom said. Unfortunately, his classmates were not as accepting as his mother; she says he experienced bullying, which led to his suicide.

How the suicide occurred is not disclosed.

Until recently, no 9-year-old would have a clue what it means to be homosexual. Classmates may not be the prime cause of this poor kid’s adjustment problems.

Clinical psychologist Barbara Greenberg laments that “a lot of 9-year-olds don’t know about sexuality and don’t understand it” — with the implication that if we just stepped up the sexual indoctrination of grade school children, this tragedy could have been avoided.

Jamel’s mom wants to take it out on the bullies — and their parents, who should be held accountable for their children’s behavior “because obviously the parents are either teaching them to be like that, or they’re treating them like that.”

You can’t help but wonder, who taught 9-year-old Jamel that he was gay?

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