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I’m not doing it because I don’t think Muslim terrorists don’t exist...only that the threat is so overblown.

I was really only kidding with my last post, but since JTV was so welcoming, I think I’ll do that. I’m only gonna limit it to hodrrific things that happen here in my metro area, so countering with some f’d up story from some -Stan country seems a bit irrelevant to us as Americans, but as Henry pointed out, anyone’s free to post what they want!

LMAO. You are melting down!

From Good Morning Vietnam "You're in more dire need of a blow job than any white man in history"

You need a break man you are taking saving the world way to seriously. Take the weekend off We will all be here to enlighten come Monday morning

HA/KS x 2

Just because I don’t think all Muslims are terrorist doesn’t mean I forgot 9/11.

So I guess from now on you are comrade Jeffry. Love it I knew something was strange with all of this overload on "right" wing crap

Are there terrorist cells in the US? Well, seeing as there have been already,bombings, shootings, etc. from both embedded cells and converts.... I don't know HOW a person could deny it, unless they just can't bring themselves to see it.

If you acknowledge they are here or at minimum trying to get here...... do you ignore it? Just figure you won't be effected, because you know, the odds thing... it's just astronomical. You stand a better chance of winning the Lottery or the Boston Marathon.... oh, right. Sorry. But I'd bet when they woke up in the morning they weren't thinking they would be murdered or injured by Islamic terrorists..... strange how that works.

So let it be. It won't effect you or me... or anyone I know.... maybe somebody somewhere, but that doesn't really matter. Just like when it's somewhere else in the world. It/they don't matter.....

I prefer the other option personally. Vigilance. Open eyes. Aware as to a threat and who the threat is. As Del Gue said.... "'twern't Mormons...." I want them found, smoked out, hunted down, every single one. I want people coming from those places vetted so well you know their mothers favorite food and color.

I don't believe anyone said they can't sleep at night knowing they are out there. They are saying, be aware. But the title is the undeniable truth. I'd say it was a fact it's not a matter of if. It's a matter of when.

So get off this insignificant web site and look into how to go about helping ferret these scum bags out

DO SOMETHING. DONT JUST WHINE ABOUT IT AND POST CRAP FROM CRAP NEWS SOURCES

Ok ok...to be fair, I did say I would post people killed in the area, so we can still call it zero to zero. I’ll stick to the original terms of the experiment!

RK there are currently people who want to bring in en mass thousands of essentially unvetted people from Islamic countries. As well as the open border folks. They are exerting political pressure to do so. Sanctuary cities, etc. Political pressure can be brought to bear to stop that.

What exactly does silence on the issue do? What do attempts to downplay any threat gain? PC points?

What’s your point (Or JTVs or Spike Bulls for that matter)..... In making this issue a major focus in your day to day lives ?? And being so focused on that issue........ what do you hope to accomplish by constantly posting on the freaking Bowsite about it ????

Yes..... Check out the Chicago stats....... Do you focus on the obvious dangers to American Citizens of the violence happening on the south side of Chicago ??

OK......... He’s aware of it.......

Your reality Jeff is that you are a double secret agent spy......... and a teacher..... :-) You even popped in over on the first responder thread not to say thanks,, but to tell us all about your experience in that area too.......

You don’t talk about what you do for the safety and security of your loved ones ???? Geeze Jeff.... what happened to being a skirt chasing bachelor ?? If your job was that sensitive for you to make a statement like that.... you wouldn’t be on the Bowsite period..... I mean sheesh...... Are you in the witness protection program or something ?????

Still no answer from anyone on what is hoped to be accomplished by constantly posting on the Bowsite about it ??? Awareness ?? OK,,, We here are all aware that Islamic terrorists still exist. What the hell is posting here CONSTANTLY going to do about it ??

Answer the question...... What are you accomplishing by spending so much time researching it and posting in constantly on the Bowsite ???

What’s foolish is your obsession with posting it here constantly..... and my even bothering to respond to you ....... a huge waste of time on both our parts....

IMO all violence and killing shouldn't be lumped all into the same bucket. To me motive matters, as an enemy's goals are an important point when it comes to defeating them. Islamists goals are to kill infidels and turn the world into an Islamist State. Not to make some money or sell more drugs or be the baddest thug in the neighborhood. The tactics used should reflect that.

Some folks feel it's an important issue. Some seem to think if we quit talking about it it will all go away..... "this is bad too" is not even a strawman. It's an irrelevant topic. You want a topic on inner city gangs maybe start one, by all means..... please. I promise I won't constantly be on it telling you it's nothing to concern yourself over, you're just paranoid. I don't live there anyway.......

BTW, home grown islamic converts are very much part of the topic. Again.... they are not home grown Mormon terrorists..... they aren't getting those ideas because they're trying to deal with their poverty. There are people telling them killing others not of your faith is the proper and right thing to do. Twern't Mormons......

And yeah..... I get wind of any domestic terrorists the LEO's will be the first to know. Right now those threats seem to be coming from the leftists who just happen to be among the biggest Islamist supporters such as ANTIFA..... or PETAphiles.....

The same could be said about you KPC.

The first level is the whole notion that Islam represents a credible threat to the fabric of this country. Even if every Muslim was an extremist, no way does a population of people making up less than one percent of this country’s population present a threat to America. And no way guys living in third world countries will ever present a credible threat to the greatest nation in the world. I guess I have more confidence in the institutions and the people in this country than some here.

So getting past the fact that our country is safe from the perceived menace of Islam, then the only other real concern is to the safety of the people in this country. As I will continue to point out, on the list of things that are likely to kill you, a radical Muslim terrorist is about as far down the list as you can get. Gun owners are, rightly, quick to point out the irrational fear of the gun control community in the wake of every mass shooting that occurs - but somehow the logic is different when it comes to Islamist terror. Go ahead...fill in the blanks...

Statistically, the chance of dying in a _______ is incredibly small. The fact of the matter is the vast, VAST majority of _______ are law abiding citizens. ________ does not kill people - people kill people.

So, when you get past all that, I think it ultimately boils down to a fear and hatred of people that are different IMO. Which is why I won’t stop speaking out against the irrational fear of Muslims.

Here’s another straw man argument from me to them........ I would be right here defending black Americans if you were here blaming all black Americans for the violence in South Chicago.... or using derogatory terms to describe them.....

me? like I tell all the salesmen that call my store........ I'm just a mechanic..... we have feelings too..... just lost most of em in the mashed fingers.....

Right up until they don't.....

Germany had a population of approximately 70m in 1939. It's by 1940 the Wehrmacht was about 2.5m strong. France's army alone had an army of 5m. The Nazis rolled thru Western Europe because they had a will to win, despite substantially lower numbers in troops. Even though their army was numerically smaller, it was larger than the Versaille Treaty permitted. Why? Because the entire world LACKED THE WILL to confront it. The result? Somewhere between 50-80m dead because "peace in our time" and turning a blind eye to the growing evil was the western worlds response.

It's interesting that some of the people posting on this thread have claimed to be devout Christians but they allow their hypocrisy to shine while posting here and on plenty of other cf threads.

Bear, if I ever make it to the other side of the lake, beers are on me. I don't drink anymore but I'll buy you some while I enjoy my Arnold palmers. You consistently prove that your viewpoints are right on par with my feelings about society today.

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As far as the Big Easy Gator's statement, "And no way guys living in third world countries will ever present a credible threat to the greatest nation in the world. "

It seems how easily we have lost some of our rights via the Patriot Act by just the actions of a few from third world countries. SO the threat to our Constitution has already happened, and changed lives around the world. How could you forget that BEG ?

Lets not forget to mention the embarrassing TSA screening procedures, either.

Well said!

Maybe understanding what exactly you are saying will help others determine who is right. Since that seems to be the vindication you seek. Being called right. I'm really not sure though. Because there is NO way any of you think these threats do not exists. Do you?

I am not speaking for anyone else but myself.

My point would simply be that yes, terrorism is a threat. But there are a lot more things in any given day that I must be more concerned with. I believe here and on other threads, those other things have been enumerated.

I have apologized to you privately for my style that at times appears to irk you and others. A style that some find insulting to either their intelligence or education, I guess.

My life long mentor, a retired CEO of a small to mid-size company, barely finished high school and has zero college. His intellect is probably, if superior to mine, not by much.

His people skills are world class! The best I have ever seen, and don't read that as being soft always. He is kind, caring, generous, hard working with a ton of humility on top. He credits God for everything he has accomplished. I am a failure by comparison to these characteristics he possesses.

Wva, I could care less about your intelligence or education. But, I am not inclined to be hesitant about expressing myself with the style I have had my entire life. So apologies over, get on with it and learn disagreement is a beautiful thing. The founding of this country followed passionate, tumultuous discord. Let's continue in that tradition.

In the last two years, we've seen eight Americans die at the hands of Islamist terrorism. While these deaths are tragic, here are a few things that have killed more Americans in tragic circumstances in the last two years: bees, pet dogs, falling TVs, and bathtubs. We haven't had a single thread on any of those things in the last week, but we've had seven on the threat from Islamist terrorism.

There is an ongoing irrationality and misplaced fear, and I'm going to continue to make that case. To me it is no different than the irrationality and misplaced fear of the gun control crowd (whom I also call out on what I believe is a flawed position).

So, are what you saying is that if Jeff Sessions would post more than JTV on the CF, the U.S. would be better protected from terrorism?

Sarcasm inserted above. Hope our view is clear Wva?

I agree totally with your view on Sessions Worst ever. No guys Terrible choice by Trump IMO

However with all due respect the CF Jeff has done NOTHING, ZERO, NADA, NUNCA in "defending" anything, much less the homeland.

And if he has let's see what it is

In fact if he dedicated the time he spends posting stuff that the nightly news has on it on to actually getting involved in the defense of even the town he lives in we would all be better off And maybe more secure

But addictions are hard to break

You are right. America like the rest of the world are facing many issues. Who would have thought 911 could have happened

But. Do you actually get up everyday and worry that you or your family will be victims of Abdullah whatever? If you do I might recommend some counseling

You and your family are more likely to be killed driving your kids to school at this point

It certainly may come to a real change but reality does not say that right now, no matter what you might read that is posted here

BEG thanks for answering my question. It really was an honest question meant to help myself and others on this thread understand where you were coming from. Thank you for that and, being cordial when doing so. While I severely disagree that the threat is over blown and, realize the reason it appears so over blown is due to the attention our government has shown since 9/11, I do respect someone who is passionate about what they believe.

Habitat you keep bringing up your style. You have also apologized to me in private. For what I am still unsure of. I have zero problems with disagreement and debate. As long as it stays respectful. With that said, the first sign you have ever expressed of being the arrogant blowhard that you basically claim to be, was that last post. Making accusations that I can't handle disagreement or debate? Get on with what? Does finally being that tough guy you claim make you feel better? Do you have a picture of some unwavering straight shooter you think you are? To me you are a guy that uses the internet to talk the way he has never had the opportunity or, the guts to do so in the real world. You can PM me and tell me how sorry you are when you have done nothing wrong. You can repeatedly state on this forum that you are some kind of hard talking measure of reality. Yet you come across as the only one being intolerant of others ideas.

I have never asked you for clarification on your personality or communication style. Yet you offer it so freely to me and anyone else like you are guarding us from the real you. You don't need to do anyone that favor. You aren't some hard talking reality as you claim. You are just a guy that pops in to throw lob shots at people you don't seem to like. A real hard case you are. FWIW, What my education and intelligence has to do with this is beyond me.

Bad asses all. Aren't we. LMAO

GOOD STUFF THIS IT!!!

turn your computer off. Arm up !

Get your ass to the stadium and take care of business !!!

Finally a chance for you to make a real difference.

And THANK YOU SIR !!!

You are a passive aggressive who alternates between being a hard ass, and really trying. Done being gentle to you.

God Bless, don't forget that.

Honestly, someone would have to be pretty dense to not have figured out where we are coming from without yet again spelling it out. I don't think any of those you listed need to ask where the other side is coming from.

Maybe, next time ask without pointing out who you are in disagreement with. We are not on any team just because we may have the same views on multiple issues. I was very silent on this thread until you asked. I answered, you don't like my style, don't ask. That is fair from my perspective.

EDIT: To be clearer, on other threads on more than one occasion you have brought up, in a critical manner IMO, guys who think they are smarter etc. Just got tired of it. Quit bringing that crap up and just discuss. Let people be who they are. Done, but I do feel better;)

Critical thinking fail. Big time.

You may not admit it. But it's exactly what you want. It's clear you don't have the discipline to ignore posts you don't agree with, at the same time you criticize others for not ignoring the trolls. I still think we're all on the same team, KPC you're the water boy.

If KCP is the water boy the rest of us are screwed

To many bad asses not enough normal people. Like everybody that went to Vietnam was a front line bad ass. Who did that leave to fuel the trucks and get supplies to the real bad asses at the front

Everything changes but yet remains the same. LMAO

Having been on the receiving end of Kevin's comments more than once, I have to respectfully disagree with you.

Kevin points out inconsistencies, inaccuracies, and folks who don't follow through with what they said previously.

He is really, really consistent about doing this! To a fault IMO, at times. Yet, he does cause me to try and be more clear in my own communications, and that is good.

I guess from my post above we are getting to know better what gets under the skin of our colleagues here, LOL.

Paul!

Just kidding Paul.

And in the grand scheme of things. Who cares All any of this stuff is does not matter. Sit back think website discussion that makes no difference in your income or mortgage or kids future or whether you even have a job tomorrow. No stress unless you make it so. Does not mattelife goes on no matter what is typed here

I probably agree with 90% of most of the guys here in their political beliefs....... even though I’m not really a political guy.....

But I will continue to check a few of the guys who post here on some of the totally false crap they post.........

Being the Conservative Stronghold that it is,,,, most here are tolerant of the false crap,,,,, As long as it leans to the right.... who cares if it’s true or accurate ????

And God forbid anyone challenge that false BS.... because it is on the RIGHT side....... so it is RIGHT !!!!!

I’ve worked for 25 years in a very diverse community....... blacks,, whites... Christians,, Jews,, Muslims...... One wouldn’t survive long if he didn’t learn tolerance of people who are different than you....

Even though it would make life easier in some ways

Lmao

It's to small to be a blip on a conservative fleas ass

Preaching to the choir on their day off

Love the bowsite but CF reaches very few people and most that it does are scared to post because of the cartel that thinks they run it

Once again, I'm not real sure where the education assumption is coming from. There is only one person on this forum that a similar but different comment was made concerning his self perceived intelligence. And, he hasn't even posted on this thread. I'm going out on a limb and say that assumption fit into your motive to "Just tell me like it is.". Please do not assume such ignorant things about me in the future. I am quite secure in myself but, find it hard to be polite when someone goes so far away from respectful conduct.

Plainly, it becomes hard for me to debate a position contrary to another without understanding why they feel the way they do. We all have the ability to think we are truly right and just in our way of looking at things. But, to truly understand the opposing argument, you must understand why they do not align with your position. It not only opens your eyes to other possibilities but, solidifies your position and, is a great check on "getting it right". Which was my attempt when I asked that question. Take that and add in the realty that it would require a truly dense or, self absorbed individual not to know why I asked that question, seeing as we are still at war fighting the Islamic terrorist that threaten this country. Then you can understand why I asked it. Rest assured that there was nothing but genuine motive that prompted that question. And, zero of the ignorant stuff you assumed.

I am sure I can handle the gloves off scenario. However, why you are so willing to "get real" with me now is really a lose to me. It seems you have taken issue with some things I have stated in the past. Which is kinda ironic since you seem to have missed my attempt to place a pattern of my own observation with the people I addressed personally. I was using their currently stated position on this thread and, past positions of the same on threads of this subject to try and understand why men don't seem to take this threat seriously. Whatever it is, if being blunt is how you prefer it, I can do that rather well. There is no passive in me by nature.

One last thing; do not patronize me with my preferred declaration. I have explained here several times that I do not wish that to people when debating in this way. The reason is clear.

Seems to be a lot of assumption fueling certain people on this forum.

It is the blatant untruths like Spike Bull posted that I will continue to check.... It is the blatant derogatory stuff like Muslime and Dearbornistan that belittles all law abiding Muslim Americans that I will continue to check...... No different than I would check any of you here for throwing out the derogatory N word...... I try to judge a man based on his actions... not his color or religion.....

My point has always been that Muslim Americans were not responsible for 9/11....No more than Japanese Americans were responsible for Pearl Harbor...... Regardless if they admit it or not........ There are guys here who dislike all Muslims because they are Muslims. That is wrong.

I admit to not reading every thread or, post that most people make. If I have missed any of the things you accuse them of, then understand I missed it. But, I read the initial post, all the way down to where Beg posted his response to the bet. Then I only skimmed the rest down to when I posted.

Seeing you react similar in the past, as well as BEG, seeing HFW pat you both on the back, and then seeing CD agree with you all, made me wander if I had indeed missed something in why you 4 seemed to think that JTV pointing out the threat this country faces was out of line.

That's fine HFW. Not a .problem. You can post and believe what you wish. I believe that's what this forum is all about. We're here to enjoy the communication.

Sometimes there are a lot of words and not much communication.

Sometimes nobody seems to be having much fun.

lol man, I understand you didn’t start this. I understand you feel as if this vindicates your position. But, if you are so willfully ignorant that you can’t accept the reason terrorist aren’t destroying everything this country stands for, from within, is not directly correlated with the asserted effort put forth by our government to prevent it, then you have a huge reality perception problem.

Current scene @usbankstadium in #Minnesota where 50,000 Muslims are gathering to celebrate #EidAlAdha at the stadium.

People can be seen in this video holding signs that say “Love thy neighbor” as “Allahu Akbar” is broadcasted on the loudspeaker repetitively in the background. pic.twitter.com/UfBjN9zKTg

— Laura Loomer (@LauraLoomer) August 21, 2018

They do.

Also, thanks for the concern, PD.

One person is dead after a cutting was reported "around 6 p.m." in the 7th Ward, New Orleans police said Sunday (Aug. 26). Details about the person, including their gender and age, were not immediately available.

I believe that’s now four dead at the hands of Americans in my town since this thread started.

An Arab American Detroit Police Officer was killed in the line of duty last week..... Fadi Shukur...... You probably didn’t notice that......

Dude. Why are you so angry? Why all the hateful mean spirited talk all the time ?

I thought you were here because it is fun. If your attitude is fun for you there may be some other issues you need to address with Yourself

You sound as bad as the left wing nut jobs that you rail on and on about daily

99.9 % of CF Posters are on your side. Just different methods of getting there

Chill a little before you implode

In other news...A man was shot and killed at the intersection of St. Bernard Avenue and North Broad Street in the 7th Ward late Tuesday (Aug. 28), according to New Orleans police. His name has not been released by authorities.

That’s six Americans murdered by Americans in my town since this thread started 10 days ago.

""Iran spies stationed across U.S. a result of Obama-era cash payouts""

That’s eight Americans killed in two weeks in this town - a number equal to the total of Americans killed by radical Islamists over the last two years in the entirety of America.

As far as a bigger danger ?? I don’t think there’s anyplace more dangerous in America right now than the south side of Chicago...... Would you take a midnight walk there ???

Regardless if you call it a commie state........ it’s part of the U.S.A.,,,,, You are proving the point that there is no where in our country that’s more dangerous......

And the men and women of the Chicago P.D. Go to war every night for Chicago .....

You sure like to throw around that Commie label Chas..... Weren’t you a draft dodger or Vietnam War protestor ????

Take a lawn chair and sit on a street corner tonight on the south side of Chicago...... and tell me how much you worry about Radical Islamic Terrorists while you’re there......

Btw.......why is Chicago such a deadly war zone if the police are doing such a good job as you always claim going into these places?

The Rock

“Keyboard warrior” ???? Haaaaaaaa !!! Good one !!!! Talk about the pot calling the kettle black !!!!!!!!