I know Google is always there, but it is more interesting to discuss it if anyone cares to.
That was our food for the winter - fish and deer.
Ill be curious to see what the board comes up with! Really cool question!
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Once back home in the freezer, you are good to go out again.
That is my understanding.
Ended up we had to leave even some of our birds there with them. Sucked! I basically got one good pheasant meal with my family, and that was it. Bastards
If it's in your freezer, it's in your possession.
Concise, and accurate!
However, I don't agree with part of Pig Doc's post, in that without possession limits bag limits are useless. Bag limits are the daily take, period. Going over means breaking the law, period. If possession limits were there ONLY for the purpose of reinforcing bag limits, one or the other is a pointless law really. In this day and age, we need more clarity and not additional laws. Lawbreakers will break the law, regardless of which law it is.
Apparently, a popular thing to do in waterfowling (so I'm told, because I've never hunted waterfowl), is a phenomenon called "gifting". In other words, as long as you write someone else's name on a tag attached to the bird, you can "possess" as many as you want. This seems odd to me, and against the purpose of what I believed the possession limits were implemented for. I have no idea whether this is legal (maybe different in various states), but was informed that it was "in the regs." that way.
Crossing state lines is another interesting concept on this, especially if two states have the same species and different limits. I've never ran into that scenario, but I would assume that you always have to abide by the strictest possession limit during transport. While I don't necessarily believe that possession limits are stupid, I do tend to believe that some are overkill. For example, this whole conversation came about because of a fishing reg. that stated that the bag and possession limits for a certain fish were identical. Oddly enough, the possession limit itself was completely unenforceable, since there was a different possession limit for lake-caught fish vs. stream-caught fish.
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Asking for a friend.
;^)
Currently I have deer, elk and bighorn sheep in my freezer from two or three different states each. I am therefore 100% in compliance with the laws, even though I cannot take more the one of each in each of those states.
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Kyle, I certainly understand what you are saying, especially as it pertains to big game. Usually those species require individual tags or licenses. However, for small game and game birds, are you certain that is how things work? I don't know how one would know officially what the law is? Unfortunately, to me there is a lot of discretion left to the game officers because sometimes the clarity in our game laws isn't the best.
From the state that brought about this topic: "Game fish in transit or storage, including home or domicile, shall be considered in possession."
TD, just put a tag on the game/fish with her name on it. Then there is no problem keeping it in YOUR freezer. ;^) (This may actually be true even.)
Also as already mentioned, most hunters/fishers don't subsistence hunt or fish and we rarely gobble everything up a couple of weeks after filling daily and possesion limits.
Some states allow long term storage with a carcass tag or storage permit issued by a game office after the license year has expired.
I don't see how exceeding a possesion limit is synonymous with poaching...
I'll give you Texas definitions by example
DOVES
Daily bag limit 15
Procession Limit 45 (That's after three days of hunting) Procession limit is basically travel Limit before final destination
Final Destination (your home, freezer etc). Only limited to total season dates that hunting is allowed. So if you hunted 30 days in the dove season you could have 550 doves in your freezer
Final Destination for deer would be the number of deer you are allowed by law in the county you hunt in
The only caveat to this is if you are given game animals by another licensed hunter or hunters that give it to you WITH a Wildlife Resource Document
Example: three day dove hunt You kill 45 doves (15 a day) You are hunting with 10 other people. They each kill 45 dove Total 450 doves. They don't want their dove. They can each give you their dove with a Wildlife Resource Document
So you are now legal to travel home with 495 dove. Theirs and yours
I've cleaned over 150 in one evening, but 500? That's going to take a few beers. :-)
Shuteye we don't pick any birds Great way to do it if you are going to bake. We breast everything. Bacon wrap with jalapeño pepper. We don't have to leave a wing on anymore. That law was to separate white wings and Morning and to be sure that you did not shoot any white tip or Inca doves. I am surprised you have that rule unless you are getting lots of white wing up there
Of course we have no limit or seasons on ring neck or Asian dove
Shuteye, I do the same on slow shoots. Frying with skin on is my favorite way to cook them. But when I have 50+ to clean, I just breast them out and wrap with bacon, stuff with cream cheese and jalapeño, and grill.
Great for SEC ballgames. And you know we love those SEC football games. No matter how old or boring they get. :-)
Not in Minnesota! They're anti-fish-fry here!!!
In Colorado, any fish that is canned, frozen, or otherwise preserved for consumption is considered "in possession" until it is consumed.. "In possession" also applies to fish that are kept alive in a live well, or stringer, for the purpose of potentially replacing them with bigger fish later.
For big game in Colorado, "in possession" only applies to the year in which the animal was legally harvested. In other words, the remaining portions of last year's elk in your freezer DON'T count as "in possession" for this year.
Matt
I had a CO tell me once that "bag limits" were what you killed that day and that "possession limits" were what was in your truck/camp/etc (in this case, a multi-day boat charter), not what was in your freezer at home. This was after an ocean charter in CA. He explained that you could take more, but on any one trip, they better not catch you with more than your possession limit in the truck or boat on the way home.
In fact, California has a rule whereas if you're going to be out to sea for more than two days (possession limit is usually bag limit X 2), you can go to the local fish and game office before you leave, submit a trip plan with your port of entry, exit, and planned days out, and they'll expand your possession limit.
Read your regs, guys.
Matt
"If you're on a train traveling east bound at 60 MPH with 3 doves and a coot, will you be over your 3 day possession limit if it doesn't rain on Tuesday?"
Yes.
;-)
Matt
A quick search didn't provide an obvious concrete answer, but it appears that the maximum possession limit is three daily limits for all migratory birds. Though it never said specifically the home, I did find this:
"Unless specified otherwise, the possession limit is one daily bag limit for anyone who has hunted for one day. The possession limit increases to two daily bag limits for anyone who has hunted for two days. The possession limit increases to three daily bag limits for anyone who has hunted for three days. No one may possess more than three daily bag limits at any time."
If want to make it REALLY complicated, imagine combining all of this with the point system for waterfowl....YIKES!!!!!!
WW. I don't think point system for ducks is still used. It is not in Texas. Just bag limits for each kind per day
I still run into people that think a Game Warden can just come into your house and search it without a warrant
"It is unlawful to receive or have in custody any protected game belonging to another person, except in the personal abodes of the donor or donee, unless such protected species are tagged with the hunter’s name and address, the total number of individuals by species and the date such species were harvested."
In full disclosure, I've never really looked into this all that thoroughly, because I've always believed in the strict interpretation of the possession law. Thus I've never tried to possess more than the stated number for a species. Add that to the fact that I don't do a lot of small game hunting, and realistically in my hunting career, there has hardly been enough game to even worry about it. I just thought I'd bring this up to add to the previous discussion.
