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Glunt@work 08-Oct-18
scentman 08-Oct-18
kentuckbowhnter 08-Oct-18
TT-Pi 08-Oct-18
BowSniper 08-Oct-18
Highlife 08-Oct-18
TT-Pi 08-Oct-18
HDE 08-Oct-18
Trax 08-Oct-18
Rhody 08-Oct-18
slade 08-Oct-18
gadan 08-Oct-18
TD 08-Oct-18
South Farm 08-Oct-18
Woods Walker 08-Oct-18
TD 08-Oct-18
BowSniper 08-Oct-18
Annony Mouse 08-Oct-18
HDE 08-Oct-18
Tonybear61 08-Oct-18
HDE 08-Oct-18
TD 08-Oct-18
TT-Pi 09-Oct-18
Woods Walker 09-Oct-18
Woods Walker 09-Oct-18
Spike Bull 09-Oct-18
HDE 09-Oct-18
Will 09-Oct-18
TT-Pi 09-Oct-18
Will 09-Oct-18
From: Glunt@work
08-Oct-18

Glunt@work's Link
FYI: According to a U.N. report, we only have about 12 years until it hits the fan.

Better live it up while we can or vote for Al Gore in 2020.

From: scentman
08-Oct-18
According to the "al gore rhythm"

08-Oct-18
Ok I am going to cash in all my preference points ASAP.

From: TT-Pi
08-Oct-18
Let's give Gore and Obama another Prize. They are back to doing nothing and that's worth rewarding. Again.

From: BowSniper
08-Oct-18
They have been playing that same song since 2005, and it never comes true. Plenty of ice. Polar bears fat and happy, drinking Coca Cola every Christmas.

From: Highlife
08-Oct-18
Yes but Florida is about to be hit with another hurricane because of global warming.........Wait its hurricane season down here. Nevermind.

From: TT-Pi
08-Oct-18
But BowSniper look at all that weather and stuff. Brrrr its warm, Let's sell solar panels and windmills to fix everything ... Ethanol is working, right? Bang.

Don't worry they are all leaving the country.

From: HDE
08-Oct-18
Until these U.N. jackwagons can tell me what caused three ice ages to occur before the nasty carbon emissions facade, I'll say bull to whatever they say...

From: Trax
08-Oct-18
Jimmy Hansen the chief Chicken Little had given us a decade or two a couple decades ago. Just one of many Algorian fools who have proven to once again been wrong. Meanwhile more and more scientists are leaving the Algorian camp that tries to tell us man if cooking the planet. They're even beginning to lose the blind dumb sheep they so desperately need!

From: Rhody
08-Oct-18

Rhody's Link
By Dr. Roy Spencer - Meteorologist

Global Warming

“Global warming” refers to the global-average temperature increase that has been observed over the last one hundred years or more. But to many politicians and the public, the term carries the implication that mankind is responsible for that warming. This website describes evidence from my group’s government-funded research that suggests global warming is mostly natural, and that the climate system is quite insensitive to humanity’s greenhouse gas emissions and aerosol pollution.

Believe it or not, very little research has ever been funded to search for natural mechanisms of warming…it has simply been assumed that global warming is manmade. This assumption is rather easy for scientists since we do not have enough accurate global data for a long enough period of time to see whether there are natural warming mechanisms at work.

The United Nation’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) claims that the only way they can get their computerized climate models to produce the observed warming is with anthropogenic (human-caused) pollution. But they’re not going to find something if they don’t search for it. More than one scientist has asked me, “What else COULD it be?” Well, the answer to that takes a little digging… and as I show, one doesn’t have to dig very far.

But first let’s examine the basics of why so many scientists think global warming is manmade. Earth’s atmosphere contains natural greenhouse gases (mostly water vapor, carbon dioxide, and methane) which act to keep the lower layers of the atmosphere warmer than they otherwise would be without those gases. Greenhouse gases trap infrared radiation — the radiant heat energy that the Earth naturally emits to outer space in response to solar heating. Mankind’s burning of fossil fuels (mostly coal, petroleum, and natural gas) releases carbon dioxide into the atmosphere and this is believed to be enhancing the Earth’s natural greenhouse effect. As of 2008, the concentration of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere was about 40% to 45% higher than it was before the start of the industrial revolution in the 1800’s.

It is interesting to note that, even though carbon dioxide is necessary for life on Earth to exist, there is precious little of it in Earth’s atmosphere. As of 2008, only 39 out of every 100,000 molecules of air were CO2, and it will take mankind’s CO2 emissions 5 more years to increase that number by 1, to 40.

The “Holy Grail”: Climate Sensitivity Figuring out how much past warming is due to mankind, and how much more we can expect in the future, depends upon something called “climate sensitivity”. This is the temperature response of the Earth to a given amount of ‘radiative forcing’, of which there are two kinds: a change in either the amount of sunlight absorbed by the Earth, or in the infrared energy the Earth emits to outer space.

The ‘consensus’ of opinion is that the Earth’s climate sensitivity is quite high, and so warming of about 0.25 deg. C to 0.5 deg. C (about 0.5 deg. F to 0.9 deg. F) every 10 years can be expected for as long as mankind continues to use fossil fuels as our primary source of energy. NASA’s James Hansen claims that climate sensitivity is very high, and that we have already put too much extra CO2 in the atmosphere. Presumably this is why he and Al Gore are campaigning for a moratorium on the construction of any more coal-fired power plants in the U.S.

You would think that we’d know the Earth’s ‘climate sensitivity’ by now, but it has been surprisingly difficult to determine. How atmospheric processes like clouds and precipitation systems respond to warming is critical, as they are either amplifying the warming, or reducing it. This website currently concentrates on the response of clouds to warming, an issue which I am now convinced the scientific community has totally misinterpreted when they have measured natural, year-to-year fluctuations in the climate system. As a result of that confusion, they have the mistaken belief that climate sensitivity is high, when in fact the satellite evidence suggests climate sensitivity is low.

The case for natural climate change I also present an analysis of the Pacific Decadal Oscillation which shows that most climate change might well be the result of….the climate system itself! Because small, chaotic fluctuations in atmospheric and oceanic circulation systems can cause small changes in global average cloudiness, this is all that is necessary to cause climate change. You don’t need the sun, or any other ‘external’ influence (although these are also possible…but for now I’ll let others work on that). It is simply what the climate system does. This is actually quite easy for meteorologists to believe, since we understand how complex weather processes are. Your local TV meteorologist is probably a closet ‘skeptic’ regarding mankind’s influence on climate.

Climate change — it happens, with or without our help.

From: slade
08-Oct-18
Where's the Gorbal Hockyest when you need him to educate you Rubes...........:)

From: gadan
08-Oct-18
We do not control climates

From: TD
08-Oct-18
Every report I heard today WRT this press release..... EVERY ONE...... finished with carbon and how much it HAD to be taxed. Money. They want it. Control. They want it. Who does the money go to? Them. Who does control go to? Them.

"They" can go wizz up a rope.

From: South Farm
08-Oct-18
Finally, I've been praying for a legitimate reason to give up my flossing regiment! Looks like my prayers have been answered.

From: Woods Walker
08-Oct-18
12 years? Maybe that's when we'll start saving the $2500 a year on our health insurance that President Lying Sack Of Sh*t Affirmative Action promised us.

From: TD
08-Oct-18
I belive this is the same org that about 10 years ago told us all the Himalayan glaciers would be gone by 2035...... .

From: BowSniper
08-Oct-18
Remember in 2007 there was an article in National Geographic noting how the polar ice caps on Mars were also shrinking without any influence by man? Was going to post that again... but its been scrubbed off the internet. Powerful forces at work, leaving only the information to support one particular belief for those with short memories.

From: Annony Mouse
08-Oct-18

Annony Mouse's Link
The Left Seeks Taxes on Carbon That Would Assure Only the Super Rich Could Afford To Travel

From link:

A new U.N. report suggests a $240 per gallon gas tax equivalent is needed to fight global warming.

The U.N. says a carbon tax would need to be as high as $27,000 per ton in the year 2100.

From: HDE
08-Oct-18
U.N. - proper noun. Unified Nimrods.

From: Tonybear61
08-Oct-18
Yawn, Mr. Sun Controls everything.. nothing you can do about it. If you want to debate the need for beneficial energy policy, carbon foot print and fuel taxation go ahead Mr. Gore but don't ever call it man- made global warming....

From: HDE
08-Oct-18
First they make you afraid of it, then they tell you who to blame...

From: TD
08-Oct-18
then they tell you how much money they want "to fix it".......

From: TT-Pi
09-Oct-18
I'm home! I finally found some people that really get it... Now, tell my friends from Ma. Please. I can't get through to them!

From: Woods Walker
09-Oct-18

Woods Walker's embedded Photo
Woods Walker's embedded Photo

From: Woods Walker
09-Oct-18

Woods Walker's embedded Photo
Woods Walker's embedded Photo
?????????????/ Have no idea where that first pic came from or what it is. Try THIS one.........

09-Oct-18
Yes it IS the sun!!

Anony's link is critical to understand. It is all part of the Agenda 21 master plan to decrease population and push all those left into mega-cities where they inculturate everyone to stay there!!

NO hunting, fishing, gardening, or outdoors, just L.A. type burbs.

From: HDE
09-Oct-18
Not unless you're one of the 'Shadow People'...

From: Will
09-Oct-18

Will's Link
Love... Bowsite... Will... Not... Discuss... :). I never believed I was trolled before... But Pi has trolled me - we have had all sorts of fun convo's on this topic on our local page. And point blank, the coolest part, is that while we see it vastly different, I can honestly say our debate has made me more knowledgeable and more important, made me feel like he's a buddy. Yes, despite having different political and AGW based views, I like the guy. I note that not to sound weird (though it may), but because I think it's pretty cool - and a testament to the MA forum which is awesome. Point blank, it's what the country needs. More people willing to say: I disagree with you, but it's all good and I appreciate the discussion. So, in the name of fun, I'm going to just toss meat to the fray for everyone from the worlds paper (FakeNews) the NYT and a fun climate article from last weekend https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/07/climate/ipcc-climate-report-2040.html.

I will now retreat under my desk in search of cover as wad's of spit balls are tossed at me (ha ha ha ha :)) Enjoy fellas! :)

From: TT-Pi
09-Oct-18
There he is... Will gets a giant pass! He's A Good man and fair-minded. He has my respect and is always intelligent and decent. ( He's not the arrogant majority ) But, he is the exception to the majority of our Ma experience. ( Not just on the Bowsite ) but in many circles.

I am not sure that I have ever "trolled " anyone intentionally ... and didn't intend to do so. I'm not sure I even understand the term and implication. I'm innocent... until proven guilty! I know that's a new concept for some folks ( not you Will ) .

For those Progressive lib-tards back home ... Have at it and I'll report you to judge BK and he will crush your whole world under the protection of your King... Ha ha ha. Peace. Now get off your high horse Don Quixote! Kidding, here's your spitball.

From: Will
09-Oct-18
:) Friggin awesome brother! ha ha ha!

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