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I don't think they could beat the professional 'bama team though.

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Rumors are flying that Alabama has challenged the SuperBowl Champions to a pay per view event after they win their 7th title for the true world championship. The line at this time if played would be Alabama -1. ;-)

Now watch. I bet I hexed them. ;-(

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;)

My Tigers are sucking big time. Not sure they can win another game this season. In fact, word is, they’ve hired Dog the bounty hunter to see if he can find their defense. :-)

My alma mater, Utah State, is now 5 - 1 and is averaging over 51 points per game on offense!

Their only loss was in their opener @ then #9 ranked Michigan State when they gave up the winning score in the last few minutes.

GO, AGGIES!

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There are several conferences that own the SEC in bowls.

Maybe so, but wait until they play North Dakota State!

I got lost when they changed things from D1 and D2 to whatever the 'ell it is today.

FCS? FBS?

WHUT?

University of Alabama University of Arkansas Auburn University University of Florida University of Georgia University of Kentucky Louisiana State University University of Mississippi Mississippi State University University of Missouri University of South Carolina University of Tennessee Texas A&M University Vanderbilt University

Weak conference EXCEPT for the Tide? You gotta be joking me.

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The SEC has 5 BCS National championships. They are 9-2 in title games. One of those losses came when LSU lost to Alabama. No other conference has a winning record nor more than 2 wins. There are 5 schools with BCS national championships.... Alabama, Auburn, LSU, Florida and Tennessee.

For the football powers in the SEC it's national championship or bust. Winning the salad bowl or fruit bowl means nothing to them.

I understand your reasoning. I really do. The problem is, ‘bama removed you have no one else to pin that claim on with any sincerity.

Saban is a master. He’s proved that. Alabama is men amongst boys. No doubting that. Aside from that, they get beat often outside conference play when ‘bama isn’t playing. As long as it’s not a Lafayette tech type appointment. Which it often is durning season games. The real world results don’t support the claim the SEC rules.

Almost got it right, they put LSU in between...8^)

Polls now have Clemson 3, Notre Dame 4, LSU 5, MI 6...

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They are indeed the 800 pound gorilla in the room when bama is present. But, many of the other teams from year to year get so over rated. That isn’t particular to the SEC. you see it every where. Look at the mountain ears. They suck with their one sided approach. But, for some reason, had the polls fooled.

This isn’t a knock on the SEC. I enjoy watching that conference more then any other. The good teams are explosive on offense and stingy on defense. But, they don’t over shadow all the conferences when going head to head, as implied.

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Since the BCS was formed the SEC has 11 national championships.

Florida has 2 of those LSU has 2, Tennessee and Auburn both have 1.

That's 6 national championships, twice as many as any other conference WITHOUT including Alabama.

It's case closed, numbers don't lie, the SEC is the dominant force in college football.

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On a side note, I knew the wisdom most SEC fans posses was lacking. I'll prove it right now. Who wouldn't rather chase cheerleaders around versus running around the field patting other men on the butt? You can claim infinite athletic ability and, probably be right. But, the guy setting on the couch with the pretty cheer leader, watching those infinite men chase each other around, gets my nod for the undisputed champ. :^) EVERY TIME.

Really, I'm finished joshing you guys for a while. Before I go, Year end and Year out, I would guess the SEC probably has the best team. And, with 'Bama, they are probably going to dominate the play off series. I see their dominance and presence no where else in the SEC. Or, any other conference. There is no comparison when on the field. Their weight program and position coaching is dominant. And, the complete execution of what Saban demands shows all that.

Good luck fellas and God Bless

Is the SEC a great football conference? Yes. Is it the best? Many years probably. Is it dominant? Maybe in rabid fan bases, but not necessarily in football. As WV said above, if nothing else maybe recent vintage Bama should be considered a dominant team, but otherwise the facts are lacking. And... let's not even get started with the BCS manure. When the clown circus committee gives you an auto bid every year, and on occasion two bids, you ought to win some. Having said that, they did at least come out and win quite a few of the one-game playoffs.

It's just too bad we can't have 8 play, so we could actually feel decent that the championship was decided on the field.

BTW...WV...I am in your camp, or was at one time, about the cheerleader thing. ;-)

RoLLLLLLL Tide.

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Who has won the NIT for the last 24 years?

That's right....nobody cares just like nobody cares who won the Holiday Bowl.

Ask Ohio State if they are happy when they win the Rose Bowl when its not the national championship. Ask Texas fans if they are happy when they win the Cotton Bowl under the same conditions?

Only championships really matter to big time football programs.

Not a deflection....it is the truth. If you want to play your game on just winning then that game is just as easy to play. The SEC has a winning record against every conference except the Big East. They are 4 games under 500 against the Big East. As of the 2015 bowl season, The SEC is 38-20 vs the ACC, 46-28 vs. the Big 10, 37-30-1 vs. the Big 12 and 8-7-1 vs. the Pac 12. This information is current though the 2015 bowl season.

They were: 9-2 overall in 2016 7-7 overall in 2017 4-5 overall in 2018

No other conference comes anywhere close to these records. They are still the dominant conference and it will only be getting better. With Dan Mullen at Florida and Jimbo Fisher at A&M the conference is going to be even stronger.

BTW....Texas, just the name alone is big time football. How many HS Stadiums get filled to capacity to the tune of 18,000, 19,500 and Alamo Stadium @ 23,000.

I call that Big Time Football.

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Also, there’s the SEC...and everyone else. Go Gators!

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:-)

I remember rolling down to play the mighty SEC Bulldogs several years ago in a BCS bowl. We had them 28-0 before I ever finished making my popcorn.

Following year, we rolled into a BCS bowl against the Sooner's. Beat them so bad we redefined butt whooping in the Websters dictionary

2 years later rolled into a BCS bowl against Clemson. They had to install an extra score board by halftime to keep up with our scoring.

Proving our dominance didn't stop with the SEC. In WV we used to chase the cheerleaders and wipe the field of posers. Regardless of conference. We made the SEC clean our cleats in out of conference play and in bowl games, after the game to remove their jersey's from them. We made the ACC hand wash our underwear EVERY TIME we played them. After the game no doubt. And, we made the Big 12 prep our pads and load the plane after we took them behind the wood shed.

Come on boy's, say it ain't so! I dare you. :^) If we had Rich Rod we'd been national champs by now. Man, I miss those days. Now all we can do is finish mid conference every year because our coach doesn't know what a running attack is. Talk about going from hero to zero. One thing I'll never forget is the year we played Oklahoma, LSU was picked ahead of us to play in the BCS title game regardless of being a 2 LOSS team!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 It was a conspiracy to protect the SEC from another butt whopping like we gave the MIGHTY Bulldogs 2 years before :^)

Now you can wake up and apologize because I WAS a young man at one time in the long ago past. That was THEN this is NOW. Make certain your hip waders are within reach if you watch Alabama football because sooner or later the TIDE will come rushing in. All due fun and respect for you as I hope you know......:-)

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Bowfreak,

....and will do so for the for see able future. Just a different game watching the SEC. You can feel the dominance. What other team can bench their starting QB who had a record of 26-2 with a true freshman (Tua) who crushes opponents? This and all at the same time 'Bama' loses its top 2 coordinators after their BCS victory over Georgia last year.

Amazing team that plays as a TEAM. If someone on the Tide turns the ball over the ENTIRE team turned that ball over and they admitted such and their anger to erase THEIR mistakes rises considerably. YFP himself could....well ...lets not get carried away. He could be interviewed to carry the Gatorade. ;-)

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Add to it, the two Big 12 teams that hopped leagues recently came right in holding their own, which is just more evidence that points to the SEC dominance being more in hype than substance. Those teams should have been doormats if the SEC was so dominant.

It comes from CBS sports.

Why don't you post up a conference that historically has a more dominant record?

I'll be waiting.

Of those 20 champions, over half (11) have come from the SEC. You think it's just Alabama? Of the 14 SEC schools, five have won BCS Championships (and frankly, it should have been six had UGA not blown it last year). In the last five years, every one of the SEC schools (even lowly Vandy) was ranked in the Top 25 at some point, and 10 of them (Florida, USC, Mizzou, Bama, UGA, Auburn, Alabama, Ole Miss, MSU, and LSU) were Top 10 teams at some point.

Find me another conference that even approaches that level of depth!

Now, on a series note, I don’t own hip waders. We are so high up, the tide can’t touch us. No need for preventive measures of speculation. Boom!!!!!

The SEC fears is. The ACC trembles at our mention. The Big Ten reinvented their rushing attack getting away from us. While Iowa State takes us in the wood shed. SMH.

SEC dominance? Nah. However, The SEC minus bama could compete for high school bragging rights. That’s something right there to be proud about. :^)

Anybody that says the SEC is not dominant in D1 schools must be standing on their heads. C'mon. Granted there are some great programs out there in every conference. You must remember the SEC schools like all else play many games within their own conference thus the win loss record. They lure and sign the best players in the country. How could they not be the best year in and year out? We're beating a dead horse here.

Rolllllll Tide.

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Or even Lou Holtz.

Not at SC, though. :-)

My kind of coaches.

No need to wait. The SEC has the best bowl record all time, no way around that. See the link for bowl records by conference. You know what it doesn't show? A Grand Canyon sized chasm between the SEC and all the other conferences that would match this proclaimed dominance.

"Find me another conference that even approaches that level of depth! "

By comparison, the Big 12 has had every team ranked in the last 5 years by the AP, except Kansas. So approaching that level is no issue. I didn't check any other conferences because I knew the Big 12 would either equal that level or be very close. Again, we go back to, being slightly better does not exactly make one dominant.

We might even hit one of their players when he comes over to our sideline:)

Only older guys will know what that is a reference too. Good old Woody, and it is not what the younger ones are thinking.

I remember seeing replays of Woody string lining that player. Now I know you jest about Ohio State. The Tide can send their band to play Ohio and they would be favored. All joking aside Alabama just looks too good and they can get beat but not when it counts. If someone upsets them and they still make the playoffs they are a lock to win the BCS. You realize how good they are when everyone yearns for them to get beat. Some people may get happy as the Tide has a rough patch coming up in Tennessee, LSU, Miss. State and Auburn. If they get through them unscathed its ALL over.

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I’ve watched Tua’s brother play. He’s as good, and I think better, than Tua is. When jalen leaves, I’ll have to look at the backup. But Saban excells at filling in the holes.

Aaaaah, what happened the last time Ohio State played Alabama?

Oh, that is right - Ohio State 42 / Alabama 35...8^)

Never mind, I’ll do it for you. Nothing is pertinent except the next time. :-).

Hopefully we will see...8^)

Ohio State will always be in the mix because after their one loss the committee always finds a way to weasel them into the playoffs.

Anyone that thinks OSU beats Alabama this year is watching a different game than the rest of the country. Speaking of OSU....I didn't think it was possible to dislike a team more but when they hired Coach Smarmy it happened. If there is a more insufferable human being than Urban Meyer I'd like to know.

He’s good. But not NC good.

Can’t see A&M in NC game for the next 5 years at least. Mullins may be able to put together a strong team in that time.

Bama will stay strong for a while.

Unless Malzahn can find a QB to fit his scheme, he won’t be there much longer. Even if a he recruits some strong DBs. He does have a couple of strong freshman RBs that fit the scheme. But that’s 2 maybe 3 years down the road.

Zbone,

...and Tunney beat Dempsey. This Alabama team will rooolllll tide over them in a walker with Jalen Hurts in as QB. Tua will take them apart and will be on the bench with 4 minutes left in the 2nd quarter. C,mon. Give it up: Alabama is just too damned good and you know it, but you can always hope. I go through this every year. Like I said, even if you beat them they are still better than you because that will be the only time you will ever beat them. ;-)

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Even if you beat them they are still better. LMFAO!

Then Hillary is the President or better than the President

Love it. SEC Cool Aid to the bitter end. :)

A&M hasn’t won a championship since 1939 and it’s been almost 40 years since Georgia’s last title. Mullen took Mississippi State to the #1 ranking and made them a contender almost every year. What he’s done at Florida this year is amazing, I feel pretty good about him bringing a title back to Gainesville.

Obviously I’m not alone. Lol

Thanks for that heads up about Purdue when it was 14-6. I thoroughly enjoyed every minute of it. They played to win right to the end, no prevent defense here. This team started out 0-3 and who followed them? Now they have won 4 straight with OSU being the gold ring.

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However....if they make it to the end with just one loss the committee will figure out a way to put them in as they travel so well and generate lots of money.

So false, last year they were left out with one loss to Iowa, and with this embarrassing lost to Purdue they will be left out again, trust me... They'll likely be dropped out of top 10 right now...

Hell, they'll be lucky to beat Michigan by the way they played yesterday... They're defense is suspect without Boza, and MI is labile to smoke them this year...

But they were horrible on offense! Going into the game they were averaging 51.7 points per game, second in the country, trailing only Alabama.

They were also averaging almost 500 yards per game on offense.

But yesterday they gained only 194 yards and only 50 of those were in the second half.

They intercepted Wyoming's first pass of Q3 and took it down to the WY 3, then got a TD. Later in Q3 they got a 99 yard kickoff return for another TD.

Other than that and a fast, long drive on their first possesion, they were pathetic.

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Just 3:30 into Q2 and my Aggies lead 42-3!

Yet another USU score on a drive of less than one minute!

The Aggies sophomore QB, Jordan Love, is now 15-21 for 343 yards in a little more than one quarter!

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485 yards of offense in less than one half!

WOW!

In the first half!

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58-5 USU!

NM recovers and runs in it in for a TD.

61-19 Aggies

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Some people have it Alabama/ Alabama/Alabama/LSU. ;-)

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1. Alabama (60) 2. Clemson (34) 3. LSU (6) 4. Notre Dame (45) 5. Michigan (23) 6. Georgia (28) 7. Oklahoma (36) 8. Washington State (55) 9. Kentucky (22) 10. Ohio State (57)

;)

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As good as Alabama is, and they are, LSU has been playing lights out football. Also this is in Tiger Stadium a tough place for any team to win. Could be the game of the year. I hope so just to keep from falling asleep when Alabama plays.

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North Dakota State. #22

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That's a big number considering they didn't score a point in the entire 4th quarter. They are no joke but then again Louisville is not what you would call steeped in football talent. Anyway you cut it 77 against anybody when you are taking your foot off the gas in the 2nd half is impressive.

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Indeed!

Just saw your post. I would say Bama 16-0 at the half. ;-) I though the game would be closer in yards than this and I figured maybe 14-10 Bama at the half. I did not think LSU would get shut out. I thought Bama would win but a close and physically brutal game. I did not predict a blowout and left room for a upset truthfully if LSU played a perfect game. They are playing anything but perfect but neither is Alabama. I am a Tide man in football and hope they extend their lead and win it.

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Bama/ Georgia for the SEC Title in 2 weeks IF Bama can take care of MISS. State next week which should be a foregone conclusion.

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That's eight in a row for the Aggies and the fifth time this year they've scored 56 points or more!

Seems to have turned it around and getting back to their 2012-14 caliber when they first hired Wells. He appears to be back with a pretty solid club. Before then they were a terrible football team but made a few coaching moves (Wells) which has since have people raising their eyebrows a bit. They're never going to go to the BCS but at least you can watch some quality football in a program that before Wells was a joke.

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Then, because of his success, Wisconsin hired him away from USU and that's when Wells took over.

One nice thing about this year's team is that both the offense and defense are solid.

The offense is 2nd in the nation in scoring @ 50.1 ppg, trailing only Alabama at 50.3 ppg.

They also are 2nd in scoring drives that took less than a minute, with 19, again trailing only Alabama.

On defense, they lead the country in three-and-outs and are second in forced turnovers. They are 2nd in TD's scored by the defense.

Andersen had a 11 win season IN 2012 but before that he was sketchy at best IMO. I checked them out and Wells with the pro type offense he has instituted has them on a winning track throwing the ball all over the field thus these lopsided wins. I watched some tape on Jordon Love and he can throw and has some wheels, although I guess you know he is injured. I think in their conference they are going to be a perennial power pulling some good HS players into a winning program that highlights Wells pro type that otherwise players would have passed on. I will keep an eye on them just for fun.

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When Andersen came to USU in 2009, he inherited a program that was a joke. I saw them play in person a couple of times and they were so bad it was embarrassing.

No one can turn a program that bad around overnight, but never-the-less, in the four years he was the Aggie coach, their record was 4-8, 4-8, 7-6, and 11-2. That's when the Badgers hired him and Matt Wells took over.

Its demented to think ANY college team even the mighty Alabama can beat a NFL team...

No college team could be remotely competitive against any NFL team.

1963. College All-Stars beat the Lombardi lead Green Bay Packers 20-17. How the hell did that happen? Talk about putting your foot in your mouth. As a matter of fact the College All Stars beat the NFL teams 8 times. Proves one thing: ANYTHING can happen. Ask Donald Trump.

Yet that game is no longer played because in the end, it was not competitive.

Then there's this:

The quality of the NFL today is light-years above what it was then.

How about the Steeler's 1975 SuperBowl Champions? Rated one of the best NFL teams ever assembled. Competitive? They beat the College All Stars in the dying moments of the game 21-14. Mahomes comes in as a rookie fresh out of college and is considered by many to be the next coming. How many college tackles guards LB running backs have come right in and played at the top of the game. Scan the country of this years teams and find the best players at each position, players that will break in and start at every position in the NFL. Not as far fetched as you would think. College programs and players are NFL prepped to the pro type offenses and defenses. Years ago they were tricked out high octane offenses like Bill Yeoman's Houston Cougars which gave defenses fits but never fully caught on in the Pro's. Times then were different, yes. Times today are much the same.

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How many of the Alabama draft eligible guys get to the NFL.

And then, how many do not?

Then, how many NFL players are drafted or signed as UFA's, FROM ALL colleges, make it to NFL rosters and then actually play in a game?

Go through this years rookie starters throughout the NFL and you will have more than enough players to field a team. That is my point and my only point. NFL players are one year and many times 2 years closer on early outs to enter the pro's. You're giving me opinions and I am giving you facts. College ball players today start many times right from the jump. BTW...until they are signed in the NFL they are all college players in waiting.

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Bama may be in different shape today. Or Miami. Lol ;-)

But hey, you guys know way more about the SEC and NFL than I do. Lol

As for Saban, screw him like he did the Dolphins when he LIED to them and the nation publicly when he said he wasn't leaving... Hey, I used to like him when he was here at Cleveland as Belecheets defensive coordinator, but after that lie and fiasco I lost all respect for him... Should be named Satan rather than Saban...8^)

#4 on the list is UTAH STATE!

4. Utah State.

The Aggies are a combination of two things no one wants a piece of: overdue and over.

Utah State is overdue in the sense that injuries and bad luck limited their production in 2015 and 2016. Rollover points aren’t real, but they might be for Utah State, a team on an eight-game win streak in which they’ve averaged over 50 points a game and destroyed everything in their wake.

They’re over in the sense that they are literally over, beating the spread by 13 points a game in 2018.

Most of that is due to the players, but some credit should also go to offensive coordinator David Yost for his aggressive schemes, play calling, and hair. "

I mean, Alabama's the best team in the country.

They're Good. They're VERY good. But they aren't THAT good!

When you light up LSU to the tune of 29-0 in Death Valley no less as they did 2 weeks ago you are beyond any descriptive adjective. This team is built to kill, kill swiftly and demoralize your ancestors. They passed GREAT and collected their 200.00 long ago. I have witnessed some great college teams in the past but this monster is of freakish dimensions and proportions Any team that plays them even close will be a testament of how good they could play on their worst nightmare of a day. Could they be upset? Of course, but play them a thousand times and that one win will be your one and only wish you made from the Jeanie on the beach. I also believe this team could beat any All American squad they could put together this year because they have the best QB in the world and their cohesiveness is simply awe inspiring. They are the Tide and the Rip Tide at that and they know it. Should they go undefeated they will displace the incredibly talented '95' Cornhusker's who I believe was the best college team ever. Possible.

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Think I like them? ;-)

Sorry, couldn't help myself...8^) But tired of hearing it all year long until somebody tags them...

No they were not unbeatable in 2015 which I think is obvious. I thought then and I know now that the '95' Nebraska team was unbeatable. I think any team is beatable in a season until you prove otherwise. I believe Alabama may take their place right next to the Cornhuskers as the best team ever if they go undefeated. If they lose a game but win the BCS, Nebraska is safe at the top IMO but it would not detract from the Tide still being a great team. Hey, they have a rough patch coming up and two could get rung up on them. I guess we will see. I admire this team and all the great teams in history both College and Pro's. Watching athletics at such a high level is enjoyable and I give those teams the props they deserve and some I hated and cheered against. At the end of the day the great teams remain great and my emotional attachment means nothing when I applaud their success. They deserve it. Btw I hated that cocky Nebraska team but when you flood the NFL with 27 players your watching something special and man they played like it. In College football I am a Tide man since Joe Namath. Like the song goes "that's just the way it is, some things will never change".

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BTW...I would take that 28.5 in a heartbeat because the Bills or any other NFL team is not going to keep Tua off the scoreboard. You think Mahomes is good? Take a gander at the next level in QB'S. ;-)

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Still over 4:00 to go in Q3 and USU is up 59-17 and has 686 yards on offense despite getting off to a sleepwalking start!

The Tide rung up their 2nd shutout in as many weeks against Miss. State who has the 2nd best rated defense in the entire nation giving up 14 pts. per game. the Tide played terrible scoring just 24 pts. although with seconds remaining on the 4 yd line they ran the ball 4 times and MS took over at the 1. Oh....Tua was out and Jalen Hurt could not play so the Tide had to play their 3rd string QB with 10 minutes remaining but the game was never in doubt. Still they looked ordinary and beatable but the MS defense had something to say about that. They are tough.

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USU romped, despite starting half asleep.

Over 800 yards of offense!

62 POINTS scored!

Jordan Love, their QB was 32-42 for 491 yards and five touchdowns in just three quarters. The bad news for the rest of the conference is that Love is just a Sophomore!

804 yards total offense and over 2,200 yards of offense in the past three games alone.

CSU is next, then BSU follows in Boise.

You're omitting a very important stat. Aside from one secondary player not one starter in the secondary was over 5'6" tall on the opposing team when they compiled these phenomenal numbers. The exception was 5'7". I would not call that skying or scraping your elbow on the rim. If they ever witnessed the size of a SEC team defense like last nights Miss. State they would have a heart attack from the doorway dimensions alone, and the game would be called while the band was half into the intro of playing Sweet Home Alabama. ;-)

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They will likely be favored against BSU, but the Broncos will be a test for them. That game will tell us a lot about how good the Aggies really are.

If they win @ CSU and @BSU, the MWC Championship will be played in Logan.

I might have to fly up for that one!

Where in the world did you get those stats for the SJSU DB's? Their roster lists none of their DBs as being 5' 6" and a majority of their DBs are 6' tall or more.

I had to get you to respond quickly somehow. ;-) The Bronco's from what I have read have been very inconsistent this year, coming from behind and falling into deep sleeps at times. The way USU is scoring you fall asleep and your going to wake up in the locker room. I will be on top of that game. USU has a breather coming up and you will see players benched early if the score gets out of hand.

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It was Senior Day in Logan yesterday, so with the Aggies up by 42 at the end of Q3, Wells cleared his bench and let all of the scrubbies get in some playing time.

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Watch the game highlights shown in the video here.

Watch the speed the Aggies have, then esp. watch Love's TD throw at the 2:11 mark when he's about to be blown up on his own goal line by a SJSU blitz.

And then there's this:

Three times yesterday, USU scored on drives which lasted less than one minute!

That makes an amazing twenty-two times they've done that this year.

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On the first long SJSU TD pass it was an great throw to a covered receiver.

Their is no defense for a perfectly thrown pass.

On the second SJSU TD pass, it occurred in the 4th quarter when USU had their scrubs in the game in garbage time.

Schools which have 'Aggies' as their teams' name were originally founded as state agricultural colleges. So 'Aggie' is a spin off from 'Agricultural.'

Interestingly, today and for the past several decades, the College of Agriculture @ USU is the smallest college in the University. I suspect that's also the case at Texas A&M, New Mexico State, UC Davis and the others.

Side note:

When I was at USU, some pointy-headed idiots in the administration tried to dump the name 'Aggies' and change it to 'Highlanders.' There was even a presentation at halftime at a football game that featured the new 'Highlander' mascot, et.al.

That effort did not sell well with the USU student body and in the middle of that halftime show, some students ran out onto the field carrying a banner that said, "Highlander is Faggy, We Love Aggie."

Game, set, match!

That was the end of the 'Highlander' idea!

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No. 23 Utah State is too well-mannered to come out say it.

But the Aggies and their supporters must be thinking it.

College football playoff committee, what took you so long?

Utah State finally made it into the Top 25 in the CFP rankings this week, and all it took was a nine-game winning streak, a third consecutive 600-yard game and a team that ranks in the top 10 in 16 FBS statistical categories while playing in a conference that traditionally shows well in the bowl season.

It seemed about time.

The Aggies (9-1, 6-0 in the Mountain West Mountain division) will travel to play the Colorado State Rams (2-4, 3-7) on Saturday. A victory will set up a winner-take-all game for the division title at Boise State next week, provided the Broncos get past New Mexico on Friday night.

Lest the Aggies put the cart before the Bronco, Colorado State has won the previous two games between the two, and the Aggies have not won in Fort Collins since 2012. "In the past, they have been a challenge for us, and we are not going to look past them," junior tight end Dax Raymond said.

Utah State's numbers are staggering.

The Aggies enter the Colorado State game as the highest scoring team in the FBS at 51.3 points a game, ahead of Oklahoma, Alabama, Houston and Clemson. If you blink, you might miss a point or six. The Aggies have 23 scoring drives of less than one minute, tops in the nation.

Utah State is coming off its most prolific game in school history when they broke multiple school records in 62-24 victory over San Jose State last week. The Aggies gained a school-record 804 yards total offense against the Spartans, the third highest total in any FBS game this season, while setting school season records with 513 points and 68 touchdowns.

The 804 yards broke a school record that stood for ... three weeks. The Aggies had 704 yards in a 61-19 victory over New Mexico on Oct. 27 and followed that with 601 years total offense against Hawaii in a 56-17 victory on. Nov. 3.

If it has taken the public and the pollsters this long to notice, it does not seem to bother the craftsman of the Aggies' success, coach Matt Wells, who is in his sixth season.

"We have our own expectations internally, and I've always said they're higher than anybody else can put on us," Wells said.

"The outside world didn't put very high expectations on us. You don't really use that as an emotional motivation because at some point, that's going to wear off and your habits, your discipline, are going to going to kick in. So much of that is developed in the offseason and then quite frankly, those predictions come out in July, so it doesn't really matter."

Quarterback Jordan Love and running back Darwin Thompson are the influential players on offense. Love threw for a career-high 491 yards and five touchdowns in three quarters against San Jose State and has completed 202-of-303 passes for 2,676 yards and 24 touchdowns this season. He has three interceptions. He is No. 10 in the FBS in passing efficiency with a 164.4 rating.

"That calmness you see when he's in the pocket, that's how he is 24/7," Raymond said. "I don't think I've ever seen him anxious, angry, happy or sad. He's just mellow, perfect, which is what you need from a QB."

Thompson has rushed for 842 yards and 14 touchdowns while averaging 7.8 yards per carry, and he had a double-triple against San Jose State -- 140 yards rushing and 115 yards receiving, with three touchdowns total. Wide receiver Ron'quavion Tarver has a team-best 50 receptions for 531 yards and six touchdowns.

Despite the series history, Colorado State does not appear capable of putting up much resistance if recent play is the guide. The Rams have lost three in a row while giving up 56, 34 and 49 points, beginning with a 56-28 loss at Boise State on Oct. 19.

Colorado State has given up an average of 463.9 yards a game, ranked. No. 114 of the 129 FBS teams. Nevada rolled up 636 yards in total offense, 404 passing, in a 49-10 victory against them last Saturday.

"We have our last home game against one of the best teams in the country, but at the end of the day we have to get these guys ready to fight," Colorado State coach Mike Bobo told reporters.

"I have to do a better job of calling plays, and we have to do a better job of stopping people defensively."

The Rams have utilized two quarterbacks this season, redshirt sophomore Collin Hill redshirt senior K.J. Carta-Samuels. Hill, used as a reserve in the early season, has thrown for 519 yards with a touchdown and three interceptions while starting the previous two games."

Then there's this.

The Aggies average margin of victory, @ 29.4 ppg, is higher than 63 FBS teams are scoring per game.

Think about that for a minute

One of the Terp's RBs has touchdown runs of 81 and 75 yards!

What was that that someone here said about how really good teams should beat the snot out of the pumpkins?

They looked better on their last drive, but can they keep that up?

YO!!!!!!

Another Pick Six for the Aggies today and it's a 20-10 lead.

Kyle,

Teams are not going ROLL every week. The better teams can play poorly but still manage to win. CSU is playing tough or is USU just playing down.

The Rock

The Rock

The Rock

Need I say more;)

USU fumbled the catch on the punt and CSU recovers. Then two plays later they get a TD and USU trails, 24-23!

Aggies get the ball on their own 28 with 1:36 to go, then go the length of the field for their first offensive TD of the game and take the lead with :43 to go!

USU 29 - CSU 24!

CSU scores a TD on a Hail Mary as time runs out and wins, 30-29!

It was ruled the CSU receiver went out-of-bounds, then came back on the field before he caught the ball.

Illegal touch!

NO TOUCHDOWN!!!!

GAME OVER!!!!

USU wins 29 - 24!

NEVER!

Are you saying OSU deserved that win after the Syracuse QB missed a wide open receiver from the 2yd line going for two and the win in overtime? They could have easily just Kicked the extra point and tied the game but I give the Syracuse coach credit. No tie... win or lose.

But what's impressive to me is that this team's offense, which was leading the country in scoring, scored not one TD until the last minute.

Yet with the game on the line, for the 24th time this year, they scored on a drive which lasted less than one minute!

Aggies win!

Bring on the Broncos!

The Rock

After what happened today, they'll start all pumped up and totally confident.

They sucked like this @ WY last month, yet won anyway.

Then they went on a Search and Destroy run in their next few games and blew out every team they faced.

Boise State, Watch Out!

The receiver clearly went OB with BOTH feet before he caught the ball.

Enjoy.

LOUISVILLE, Ky. — Bobby Petrino has been relieved of his duties as head football coach at the University of Louisville amid a disappointing 2-8 season.

Vice President and Director of Athletics Vince Tyra announced the change Sunday, naming safeties coach Lorenzo Ward as the team's interim head coach.

Meanwhile out east in the SEC Auburn had designs of laying one on Alabama, but, Tua put a end to that in the first minutes of the second half and the bench played the 4th quarter. Now Alabama has to guard against a Georgia team that is smoking hot and as in Utah they best bring their best game.

The Rock

High Schools around here have better score boards than that!

Just kidding, glad for you!

Habitat for Wildlife - "Ohio State should be ranked number one after yesterday"...

In all seriousness, Georgia has to play Alabama for the SEC Championship and committee will likely rank them 4 on Tuesday and Oklahoma defense is terrible, so I'm hoping committee ranks the Buckeyes over them at #5... If so, and they win over Northwestern in the BIG10 Championship they'll be in the playoffs... It's all up to where the committee ranks OKA on Tuesday, and the still have to play TX again, who already beat them once this year, so there are still some "ifs" to settle...

Yes Ohio deserves to be placed right where they are # 10 at best but will end up 6th this week but I don't know why. UCF at 10-0 should be over Ohio.

The Rock

So if Alabama beats Georgia. Texas beats Oklohoma again. Ohio state beats Northwestern I can see Ohio State in top 4.

Michael - Yeah, what I was afraid they'll rank them behind OKA...

The Rock

Choose the six longest-standing famous bowl games.

First round four traditional bowl games.

Second round two traditional bowl games.

The six bowls could be rotated through these dates.

Third round is national championship game.

Playing three games will still give lower teams a chance, but #9 or lower team would likely not have survived three rounds to win it all.

Here is the real truth. No fabled program that enjoys favoritism in the human equation of the pole, wants to risk that playing a west coast style offense that supposedly isn’t rugged enough to beat the “better” teams. Period. Take a Boise State year in and year out, a Utah, a Washington, an Oregon, etc... and give them a realistic chance to earn their spot and they will do just that.

But, the money powers that be in college football, expressed by the monetary contributors of these histories programs like things just the way they are. So, the SEC can claim dominance with no need or ability to prove it.

The Rock

Then we would have all 8 teams from the SEC. ;-)

The Rock

2-ACC, 2-BIG10, 1-BIG12, 2-SEC, 1-Non Conference...

My alma mater, JMU, defeated Delaware in Round 1 last week, gets Colgate this week and, if they win, will very likely face the NDS Bison on 12/8.

...not this FOOLISH negative SEC shit again. They are the best by a long shot and numbers don't lie, except when they place Ohio State # 6 after getting blown out.

I pray every night that the Tide gets to the finals (they might need some prayers this week with Georgia) and Ohio State is their opponent. You will witness SEC dominance first hand WITH your hands over your eyes. ;-)

ROLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL Tiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiide.

The Rock

(That'll sir the pot...8^))

Things could change in a hurry. If Georgia takes out Alabama ( don't think it can't happen) and PITT takes out Clemson (also a very real possibility) Oklahoma AND Ohio State would move up. Alabama could drop to 5th. The lineup would then read Notre Dame/ Georgia /Oklahoma/ Ohio State. If that happens I will be eating humble pie much like Kyle had to when Boise beat his team that could not be beat. ;-)

The Rock

If Georgia beats Bama I’d bet 100s of dollars that Bama is still in

I don’t think Any of the SEC frat boys have understood the point of this discussion. Yes, ‘bama is likely the best team in college football. But, Georgia is not. Who in the world have they beaten? Over ranked SEC opponents. That’s it.

The point keeps getting lost in the ‘bama discussions that the teams of the SEC receive so many pushes to the front simply because they are the in the sacred conference, they don’t have to be as good as declared to receive the benefits.

Anybody that doesn’t see that is lying to themselves. It’s not only the SEC too. Let OSU, ND, USC, Michigan , or a host of other histories programs win a few games, and the college football polls crime their pants trying to bolster their rankings. It’s sad.

All the while you have teams that have performed much better through out the year, left behind.

Posing the question of why the playoffs aren’t an 8, 16, or Even a 24 team proposition is a very valid one. But falls on deaf ears because people SAY teams like UCF can’t compete. That is bull crap. Deep down everyone knows it too. NCAA basketball proves that smaller schools or unknowns can compete with the best of them year in and year out.

It’s just easier for fanboys to jump on the wagon I guess. Cause the SEC is SSSOOOOOO great! Right?

If Georgia wins....NO WAY Alabama is left out.

I hope OSU backs in to the mix just to get smacked by whoever they play.

There is no comparison between basketball tournaments and football playoffs.

;)

Makes us good for another 50 posts!

There is no comparison between basketball tournaments and football playoffs. "

Nothing more spot on than this could be posted.

The Rock

Hahahahahahahahahah... What happened last time OSU and AL met?... Oh, thats right OSU won the National Championship!!! The committee is afraid to let OSU in...8^)

Yep Habitat for Wildlife - "Makes us good for another 50 posts!"... It'll at least put this thread over 300...8^)

Just ran across this... Don't shoot the messenger, I'm just reporting...8^)

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaafb/3-reasons-ohio-state-should-make-the-college-football-playoff-over-oklahoma/ar-BBQgvte?ocid=spartandhp

"3 reasons Ohio State should make the College Football Playoff over Oklahoma

Michelle R. Martinelli 13 hrs ago

The 2018 NCAA Football Season

Behold LSU star LB just riding a horse around campus

© USA TODAY USA TODAY If the College Football Playoff contenders favored to win their respective conference championship games this weekend do, in fact, win, the fourth and final playoff spot will likely come down to Ohio State versus Oklahoma. Without a conference title to play for, Notre Dame is 12-0, No. 3 in the latest CFP rankings and practically guaranteed a playoff spot. And if Clemson beats Pitt and Alabama beats Georgia, they're both in too. If Georgia upsets Nick Saban's team, both teams will probably make the playoff, and none of this will matter. The Bulldogs still have an argument if they lose to Alabama, but the playoff has never featured a two-loss team and the committee is set up to give the edge to a one-loss conference champion. Should Ohio State or Oklahoma lose - the teams are Nos. 6 and 5 in the CFP rankings, respectively - the decision will be easy. But if the Buckeyes are a one-loss Big Ten champion and the Sooners are a one-loss Big 12 champion, which team has the advantage? Here are three reasons why Ohio State has the edge over Oklahoma if that scenario plays out.

1. Ohio State has more quality wins, especially recently Fresh in everyone's mind still is the Buckeyes' beatdown of Michigan on Saturday. They scored 62 points against what was the nation's No. 1 defense and a team that previously looked poised to win out and cruise to its first playoff appearance. It's easily the Buckeyes' best win of the season so far, compared with Oklahoma's best victory, which was a 59-56 win over West Virginia.

Looking at which team has better wins against teams currently in the top-25 of the CFP rankings, Ohio State wins this battle. The Buckeyes have a 23-point home victory over Michigan (now No. 7 in the playoff rankings) and a one-point win on the road against Penn State (now No. 12). On the other side, the Sooners have a road win against ranked Iowa State, plus last week's road victory over the now-No. 16 Mountaineers. Even though those key Ohio State wins are split as one home and one away game where Oklahoma's were both on the road, the Buckeyes' win over a once-No. 4 Michigan still means more than the Sooners' takedown of West Virginia. The playoff committee says it looks at the schedule as a whole and considers each game, but committee chairman Rob Mullens said of Ohio State's win against the Wolverines: "It was their most complete game of the year, an impressive win. The committee certainly took note of that. We moved them from No. 10 to No. 6. So clearly it had an impact." That win could also add just enough pressure to the committee to include Ohio State after it was left out last year, despite being the Big Ten champion.

2. The Buckeyes have the better of two bad defenses It's no secret Ohio State and Oklahoma rely heavily on their offenses to win, but the Buckeyes have the better of two underwhelming defenses. Each team's defensive stats don't mean much when comparing them with other playoff contenders, but we're only looking at how they match up against each other.

Yes, the Buckeyes gave up a season-high 51 in an ugly one-point overtime win over Maryland two weeks ago. And they let Purdue put up 49 in their lone loss. But Oklahoma allowed its opponents to score at least 40 points in the last four games. The Sooners still won each of those matchups, but aside from West Virginia, the others were against the three teams sitting in the bottom of the Big 12 (Texas Tech, Oklahoma State and Kansas). Overall, they've given up more than 40 points five times if you include their 48-45 loss to Texas. Ohio State's defense is No. 73 overall, while Oklahoma's is No. 109. Not great by general standards. But the Buckeyes have better defensive stats than the Sooners, including in opponents' yards per game (399 vs. 449) and points per game (25.8 vs. 32.8).

3. Strength of record The key metric where Ohio State has an advantage over the Sooners is strength of record. They are No. 5 and No. 6, respectively. After beating Michigan, the Buckeyes now have four wins over teams that were ranked in the AP's top 25 at the time in TCU, Penn State and Michigan State. To compare, Oklahoma has just one over a team ranked at the time (West Virginia). More importantly, Ohio State's win over Michigan was its second against a team currently in the CFP top-25 rankings - the Wolverines were No. 4 and are now No. 7 - because it previously beat now-No. 12 Penn State on the road. Taking down Northwestern on Saturday in the Big Ten championship game would be its third with the Wildcats at No. 21 in the playoff rankings. Overall, that's a slight edge over the Sooners - who also would have three wins over teams in the CFP top 25 if they beat No. 14 Texas on Saturday, but Iowa State (No. 23) and West Virginia (No. 16) sit lower than two of Ohio State's ranked opponents."

Lets face it. Ohio State is not a very good football team compared to ANY SEC teams including Vanderbilt. Period . ;-)

The Rock

Texas Tech has just hired USU's Matt Wells to be their new head coach and worse, he's taking his offensive and defensive coordinators with him.

OUCH!

"They aren't afraid....they would LOVE to put OSU in but its hard to ignore getting shellacked by a barely average Purdue team. " Clemson lost to a bad Syracuse team last year, and it was ignored. Can you explain that? Purdue has had a strange season, with a few good wins, but then a couple head-scratching losses. Yes, overall an average team, but not bad. I agree that they would gladly put Ohio State in.

Will Oklahoma win out? Probably. Can they beat Alabama, not likely. But, what remains the biggest injustice of all is UCF won’t get to play.

Notre Dame in their no confetence float around should be booted out. If you don’t have the NICU to join a confetence and beat rivals during the season, you surely don’t deserve to be considered under the current system.

Your coaches get lured away to bigger programs in higher level conferences who can pay them a lot more money.

Just four minutes into Q2 and they've already put 31 points on the board.

Why are you posting a photo of me and my wife on our wedding day on this thread?

Also, it's rather weird that for some reason you saved it. What's with that?

If Alabama loses to OSU I will eat the entire field full of crows. Trump won but this would be more of a shocker than that. BTW...lets see how Alabama handles the second half against Georgia. The Tide and OSU could end up being a dream for you and a nightmare for me if Alabama loses to Georgia. ;-)

The Rock

The Rock

No need to worry about eating crows.

No way OSU gets anywhere near playing Alabama.

Zbone,

Fess up.

The Rock

Yep, I agree the committee will be afraid to rank them 4th, and if they somehow do, Saban ain't gonna like it, or want them... The Buckeyes handle business today with a 21 point victory in the BIG10 Championship, but they'll probably leave them out in 5th place like they did last year... Haskins threw for 500 yards (499 exactly) and 5 touchdowns...

It's BS they'll put Notre Dame in when they don't play a conference champion game... Typical bias for ND and against OSU, ain't right, these playoffs need expanded...

Well, we will see what happens with the committee at noon...

I kind of feel like if we found out anything yesterday, it is that 'Bama isn't as invincible as thought to be. Aside from 'Bama-Georgia, and that UCF game, a lot of the relevant championships were a bit of a dud.

I did not post that picture. ZBone did and I have no idea why.

All Jokes aside, I assume at this point it was posted on purpose. Which I can rationalize no reason on earth why. That's a mans life you are putting all over the internet. His house, his wife etc..... That isn't right

Careful Rock, I put myself in that kind of predicament with my big mouth. Don't be me. Let it play out first. Before you start trying to rub it in. Last time OSU didn't stand a chance against the Tide, they beat the Tide. Pretty handily too. But, they got to get there first. Which in itself would be a travesty.

Rocky, if Bama played like they did yesterday, OSO would win without a doubt. The team has been impressive in the late season.

I know you must have "passed out" and not went to sleep and are just "coming to" and not waking up making such a ridiculous statement. You best follow college football a bit closer than the Jack Daniels. ;-) Georgia would laugh OSU out of the stadium. I would pay to see a rematch of these two great teams that played yesterday. Continue reading and realize and accept in black and white the team you think is so good who is so- so....among so-so teams:

I smell a rat. The BCS Commitee will leap frog Ohio State over Oklahoma into #4. A team that got smoked by Purdue, won over a unranked Maryland team who went for a two point conversion to win it in OT rather than kick for the tie, beat a horrible unranked Nebraska team 36-31 at the end, beat Penn State 27-26 on the last play of the game, and check out these other powerhouses they beat: Tulane/TCU/Indiana/Rutgers/Minnesota, who played them tough until the last 2 minutes 30-14/ and Oregon State. They beat at the time the most over rated ranked team in the history of college football, Michigan at # 4 which eventually proved out, Penn State at the time # 9... 27-26, Michigan State # 18 and Northwestern # 21.

Yes I also believe they are the 4th best team in the country. They could easily have 4 losses, SHOULD have had three in the least, lest very questionable coaching from their opponents at end of games and truthfully in comparison would not be ranked in either the SEC or the ACC. This is not opinion it is fact....but they will get in because I began to think and what I understand is the new 3 members ( 1 from ND..Independents..)/(1 from Air Force..Mt. West) ( 1 from VT and the ACC who hates the SEC) of the BCS want the money spread around equally regardless of team power rankings and believe the SEC coffers are full enough. OSU in the top 4 makes this years Championship a friggin joke for Alabama which every force and behind the scenes power in college football is attempting to derail and torpedo. All they will do with OSU is make it that much easier for the Tide to get a breather before they walk off with the Trophy. Georgia which would beat everyone else hands down and the only team capable of keeping you in the chair twisting, will be sitting in one at home watching. What a disgrace and I didn't even mention Oklahoma who is ranked ahead of that sandlot team of misfits OSU, BECAUSE Oklahoma is another team who is ranked in front of them.

The new members will vote and the fix is in believe me. Ohio State is going to get what just what they are asking for a undeserved path to a annihilation on a National Scale. ;-0

Kyle, Still wandering why ZBONE posted that picture and more interesting is how he became aware of it and then, to save it for future reference. Personally I like the picture stopped down to 2.8 to bokeh you out and your wife the center of clear attraction. Well composed.

The Rock

Most importantly, we are playing our best ball right now, arguably Fielding the hottest QB. Look at all the trash talk above on this thread about MI early season.

Ohio came back after Purdue and stomped one of the best defenses in the nation. You guys barely won yesterday. Ohio would give a better game to the ripple than OK would.

He wanted to focus on Joanne in that photo, hence my being out-of-focus in the background.

Read this thread again. Look at all of the terrible predictions about who is better. Only final scores matter.

OSU is playing their best ball now, and Z is right...Saban wants nothing to do with them. He wants an easy path to the championship. Ohio would stop that in the semi.

Now that is funny

If the Buckeyes want to stop being left out, I'd suggest they stop getting their butts kicked by mediocre teams each year.

As for the photo, you're suppose to use you imagination... I was meant to mean, laugh out loud or lots of laughs... My interpretation is she's laughing at his winky...8^)))

Classy.

Can't do it so you must agree. Zbone,

OSU is being put in right now as we speak. The 3 new members have all voted for OSU to be in because they hate the SEC. Would you like to make a wager on that?

Kyle, The photog set the DOF @ 2.8 thus the foreground clear and crisp and the background BOKEH or as you would say blurred. The photog may have even used a 1.7 or 2.0 prime 85mm or 100 mm lens. I am betting f2.8 - 70-200 zoom. Whatever it was a very fast lens.

The Rock

OU is going to have to establish a running game to keep them honest. I don't see a whole lot of difference in the potential of GA's offense and OU in scoring ability. But, nobody in the SEC has saw the speed and running ability at quarterback that they will see in Murray. Not even close. If OU can get him involved in the running attack, it will be a long night for Alabama. They aren't infallible. Last night proved that. That stupid fake punt cost GA the game. If not for that, Alabama gets beat.

OU's defense is going to have to play the game of their lives to get this done.

As far as the travesty, OSU is where they belong. ND is not. No team that won't commit to a conference to play rivals yearly deserves no special recognition. As good as GA is, you can't loose the championship game, putting you at two loses and expect to get in a 4 team playoff consisting of one lose and no lose conference champions.

BTW...OU plays the Tide they will be wearing their a$$ in place of helmets. ;-)

The Rock

Alabama is Goliath and the Davids lining up to play them are mere boys with peach fuzz.

E N D O F S T O R Y.

The Rock

ND has annual games vs USC, Stanford and others and has had for years.

How is that any different from a school which plays annual games against teams in the same conference?

OSU will be in the rose bowl with Washington.

Some good bowl games for sure. Texas and Georgia will be playing each other. LSU will be playing UCF.

As Kyle points out ND plays some schools on a very consistent basis. Michigan, Stanford, Pitt and USC to name some of them. They don’t need to be in a conference to become a rivalry. I do like having a conference championship game as the semifinal games. When that becomes a requirement ND would need to join a conference.

The Rock

The Rock

Ohio State is absolutely making it to the BCS.

The Playoff schedule was set this morning and OSU did NOT make it.

Nor should they have.

No worries.

I've been here for a very long time and 'though I've never been to the Leatherwall, I find it very creepy that ZBone had somehow saved that photo.

VERY creepy!

As for LSU beating OSU. That is the best joke of the day. LSU did get beat by Texas A and M and Florida.

Dirk, my top four would be Alabama, Clemson, UCF, and OU. But, I know you can't put a two lose SEC opponent in the top 4 with unbeaten conference champs, when one of the 4 beat Georgia. You just can't. LSU enjoyed that ability several years ago to become National Champs before the playoffs started. It was one of the driving forces behind arguing for a playoff system. Yes OU lost one. But, they lost against a very good Texas. A Texas that would beat most. Not a Purdue.

Kyle, conference play is different. If not, ND would be in one. Ask OSU about it being different. ND should be forced to button down and face rivals within a division every year. Is ND good? Yes they are. Are they conference good? I doubt it. Clemson should prove that easily. And, Clemson isn't what I'd call great.

Either Clemson (threw up a lil in my mouth!) or ND about the only ones that have a shot at the semi-pro team out of Bama...

You either win or you lose.

Notre Dame schedules solid opponents every year.

They do not play cupcakes like the Citadel (Alabama), Arkansas State (Alabama) or Louisiana Lafayette (Alabama yet again)

I don't think so. Check out ND record, teams they played and the relatively close scores to nobodies. Weak is putting it lightly. They played 5 ACC teams and only one, Syracuse, was ranked @ 12. ND is in way over their heads IMO. As much as I think OSU is a joke in comparison to 1st flight teams they are better than ND IMO. I am still a bit taken back that OSU didn't make it. Purdue done them in.

The Rock

The Rock

Kyle, ND played a very weak schedule. USC and Stanford has been mediocre at best for quite some time. All of their ACC opponents were pretty weak for the last several years. Decades even. ND wants no part of conference play because it makes them the team that mid ranking reams in all conferences want on their schedule to draw the money. They have played little quality on average from year to year by design. If they'd compose their with some better top tier conference teams, you would have an argument. This is 2018. Not the 1990's. And few of these programs have made a real run the last decade. Much less the two three years out they schedule these games

BTW....funny how nobody mentioned Alabama won with their starting Heisman Trophy QB playing injured from 3 weeks ago, hurting and limping the entire game, and finally the 2nd string QB comes in and they still win the game. That is how good they are. You can't deny it.

The Rock

Get over it and get ready for Bowl Season baby...Next best part about College Football!

ND has been over rated since Lou Holtz left. Plain and simple. Their results say that. And here you are talking about me being stuck in the past. Fanboys like say “It’s Notre Dame. They deserve it. “. No they don’t. Everyone else is playing big competition year in and year out except the Irish. It’s just the way it is. Like I said, it’s 2018. Lots of things have changed in 20 years in college football. Pitt, wake forest, Vanderbilt, VT, FSU, and Syracuse comprised their big games. Where are any of those teams now? Setting at 60% wins for the best of them. And you tell me I’m living in the past.

Take a peak at Vanderbilt vs. ND @ ND this year. Lucky is not the word for it. The worst SEC team. Still laughing? ;-)

The Rock

The Rock

These team are not scheduling the Irish 5 years out. Non conference scheduling happens from 2-3 years out down to weeks before the season.

ND is living off their past successes. As college football has become more competitive, they’ve fell farther and farther back.

I said they were a good team. But playoff good? Not the way I see it.

Thing is though, ND won't, why would they... It's the smart move, why join a conference and risk loosing a conference championship game when you don't have too... The committee should have sent a message...

When ND played Stanford this year, they were ranked #7.

Franzen, I was Infact going off of memory. But, I did go back and average each of the teams last ten year record. Stanford was by far the best winning nearly 80% of their games. It goes vastly downhill from there. FSU has won 66% of their games. VA tech has one 64% of their games. From there the opponents they’ve played are in the 55-60% winning bracket over the last ten years. Especially in the ACC and PAC 12

I’m not real sure what a 10 win season has to do with now teams are routinely playing 13 -14 games per year counting bowls. It finishes you some where in the 60-70% range. At a 10 win season. Schedule enough games and a 10 win season becomes less mute.

We will all find out how good ND is come playoff time. Ive said it already, they are good. But, unless I’m wrong, they don’t belong there. Their performance will decide that now.

Clemson will show everyone how bad of team ND is in comparison to the top teams in the country. If ND was in the SEC you would need binoculars to see them in the standings. You have Georgia sitting home holding hands with OSU and ND is 3. You think that is fair?

The Rock

Because a good team in a crappy conference will have a great record while a good team in a tough conference is likely to have a mediocre or poor record.

It's who you play that should matter, not whether or not you are in a conference or not.

Of the four playoff teams, only Alabama played tougher opponents this year than did Notre Dame.

By Strength of Schedule, Alabama had the 17th toughest schedule in the country. Notre Dame was second @ #61, followed by Oklahoma @ #68 and Clemson @ #76.

The more you look at this, the more I find myself agreeing with those who want the playoffs expanded. Think the Pats, do we write them off for an early season loss? On any given Saturday....

Just saying....

....this is a classic...."The SEC got handled in the bowl games last year with the exception of the big 2".....and what else is there 3,4,5,6. C'mon..The SEC placed 2 teams in the semi-finals last year the first time in history ANY conference ever did that. Then the finals were both SEC teams. What do you want them to do just resign and leave college football?

The Rock

You've never heard me say that 'bama deserved the number 1 ranking. I've argued quit the opposite this WHOLE thread. Power 5 conferences is a cool word too. If you consider anyone in the ACC a powerhouse. I also don't believe any team in any conference that finishes 70% and under deserves the title "solid" in regards to today's competition. It won't cut it. It leaves you middle of the pack in any conference except the ACC. Losing one out of three games is not going to get you far. However, as ND has proven, playing mediocre opponents helps their cause.

I agree, it may not be ND's fault that FSU hasn't recovered. Or Stanford is 8-4. But, that doesn't mean they should be rewarded either

Like I said earlier, we will see how good they are come game time when they finally play a really good team. That will lay it all to rest. Then we can disagree why the won or lost.

PAC12. This conversion is over.

The Rock

Wish the committee would have put them in for one last chance at national title...

Happiest man in sports today - Jim Harbaugh... I can just see him rejoicing jumping up and down screaming...8^)

Texted from a buddy, he's a big college guy, says Urban Meyer is going to USC...

I don't disagree. Their best win is obviously Michigan, which I believe was the first game of the season. First games can be deceiving of course. To me, it all boils down to the teams they were being compared to for the spot(s). The metrics say the schedules being played were comparable among those teams, and ND didn't have a loss, so here we are. ND's schedule was full of middling-to-good teams, while some others played an extra game against great competition, all the while sneaking in some cupcakes. Which of those schedules is really tougher is anyone's guess, with no right answer. It's still difficult to go through any season, against any competition, and not have a loss. There just aren't ANY teams playing the caliber of competition you consider good on a regular basis.

Speaking of which, we still have that team that has won what... 25 in a row?

College football is great. But, it’s fun by money. Meaning those who bring in the most money, get special recognition. If that were not the case, UCF would be in the playoffs instead of OU. Which is sad.

If it were truly about football, there’d be a 25 team playoff. Forget non conference schedules. Restructure conferences so it’s members woul play 8 confetence games, with a 25 team playoff. Wall ah. The best get a chance to prove it. So do those who accomplish great seasons that get over looked.

Likely know more after Urban's press conference this afternoon...

I don't know as a Browns fan if I would rather have Urban or McCarthy from the Packers. The later might be burned out.

Are you smoking angel dust? Urban Meyer had no connection what so ever in the innovation of the spread offense which has been around since 1927 and various formations of it since. Don Coryell of the San Diego Chargers employed the spread with Air Coryell and Dan Fouts as the QB to carry it out in the late seventies. Tell Urban Meyer to give credit for his offense to the Dallas Cowboys assistant coach he got the formation from.

The Rock

The Rock

They play Clemson in the first round you do know that right?

The Rock

The Rock

I hope it is a great hire for K-State, but have to wonder about a guy who has an indoor stadium and multiple national championships who gives it up to go to a place with no indoor stadium and never yet close to a national championship.

Go, Aggies!

I had no idea he was back in football.

End of Q3 and it's USU 45, NTS 13.

The pairity will be even worse in coming years as at least Urban Meyer was bringing SEC quality guys into OSU. Now the conference will revert back to the slow footed white boy conference it traditionally was.

Utah State 52, North Texas State 13.

USU dominated on both sides of the ball the entire game.

I've watched football for a very long time, but never have I seen a team take so many long shots down the field as USU did.

Not even close.

North Dakota State 44, South Dakota State 21 in the FCS semi-finals

I wonder what NFL team will roll the dice on his sketchy personal history.........

Mount Union have been in the Division III Championship game 20 of the past 22 years... One heck of a record...

https://www.ncaa.com/history/football/d3

https://www.ncaa.com/news/football/article/2018-12-11/stagg-bowl-live-score-updates-mount-union-vs-mary-hardin-baylor

Talk about perennial Champions, 20/22. That is simply incredible and unbelievable. Turning over players in a 4 year rotation with that success is as near to perfection as you can get. How many coaches have they had over that span because if it is one or two coaches they should have moved up. A record such as this is a testament to the coaching staff.

The Rock

The Rock

See linky:

https://www.ncaa.com/history/football/d3

Sorry to be the one to break the news to you but Mount Union will be looking for a new coach in the near future. Vince Keheres their present coach has a 82-4 record in 5 seasons. Tutelage from his father Larry, who also coached Mount Union for 27 years with, get this: 24 losses adds to the family lore.

The big money NCAA teams will not allow this man to escape his own promise. This guy is going to be moving up to display his wares and from what I have discovered the guy is innovative on both sides of the ball. I am going to periodically check on him but I think the move as young as it is overdue. The guy is a blue blood when it comes to the game. Hidden little gems like these are what makes the world of football sparkle.

The Rock

Agreed. When I first saw who the Aggies would be playing, I was very disappointed.

They deserved better.

Yeah Rock, you're probably right, but maybe the son will stick around a bunch more years like Dad... This whole area just outside of Canton is a BIG Time football area... Time will tell... Maybe the Browns will hire him, they're looking for a coach...8^)

...and just for fun... The SEC is struggling so far with that .000 winning percentage in the bowls.

I think the SEC fanboys had better get ready to explain why Oklahoma beats Alabama as well.

I'm going to reverse what I said earlier about Notre Dame as well. I bet they beat Clemson.

Franzen, "...and just for fun... The SEC is struggling so far with that .000 winning percentage in the bowls.".......MEANINGLESS bowls. ;-)

The Rock

The Rock

At halftime, Auburn is leading Purdue, 56-7!

Yes, you read that right. 56-7 at HALFTIME!

Maybe NCAA football needs a seven touchdown rule so Purdue could avoid being further embarrassed.

War Eagle!

Joey — SEC fanboy. :-)

Now they trail Auburn by 56 points and the game has a long ways to go.

Does that mean Auburn would beat THEE Ohio State University by 85+ points? ;^)

The Rock

Troy won the Dollar General bowl and Auburn in the Music City bowl.

War Eagle!

Go Trojans!

See you on Saturday. :-)

What’s the percentage now?

Great to see you again! Don't be a stranger!

Never watched MN this year, so don’t know much about their scheme. But if they watched film, I’m not surprised they won. Stop the run............ and well....... :-)

The Nevada/Arkansas State game was as strange a game as you'll ever see.

A minute or two into the 4th Quarter, UNR was being outgained 403-98! Then both their offense and their defense woke up and turned it around and Nevada won in OT, 16-13.

Arkansas seemed to have a 1st down inside the UNR 10 every time I looked. Yet until the last play in regulation, they scored ZERO points out of all those opportunities.

Clemson is killing Notre Dame!

The Rock

The Rock

WV, hope you didn’t bet more than $1. Lol

I’ll start working on that explanation at half time. :-)

SEC fanboy.

The Rock

SEC fanboy

Last year they got absolutely crushed by a mediocre Iowa team. Then this year, a mediocre Purdue team totally destroyed them.

Vandy lost by a TD...45-38

Auburn wins.....strong

Florida wins......

Clemson wins......

Alabama wins......

Georgia still has to play......

Clemson vs Alabama for the championship.

How’s the SEC lookin’ now? Percentage wise?

SEC fanboy, out!

The Rock

Now....go Tide and take Clemson to the woodshed.

Go Clemson!!!

Ohio State?....read the tweets and what people think of that team for laughs. They are in the same class as ND. Oh Hiway State. ;-)

Rollllllllllllllll Tide. The Rock

Matt

"... they’d gotten beat like they did the second, third, and fourth quarters."

The 3rd was the only quarter Oklahoma outscored Alabama, so I think it's a stretch to say OK beat them 3 out of 4 quarters.

Matt

I don't have a problem with the SEC winning. When they win, they win. Might as well count that Georgia game as a win too, as I don't think Texas has much of a shot. At least when they win all the SEC bragging is legitimate. Btw, I'm not sure what Clemson winning has to do with the SEC though; maybe you meant to put that SC loss in that spot. ;^)

But, really the record is only 3-2 right? Sign of a mediocre conference. ;^) Couple beatings in those 3 wins though, so I think we have to factor that in.

Those are my predictions; can't wait for the games to prove me wrong!

"Oh no, Mr.Bill....not the SEC again....... Miss. State, Georgia, LSU and that over-rated behemoth Alabama". The table could easily be run here...but.....ah....no buts. See the glint on the knife getting ready. ;-)

The Rock

There’s probably another 50-60 players currently playing that are planning on doing the same thing when it’s their turn to enter the draft. It’s a growing trend in College Football. It waters down the bowl games when teams don’t bring their best players...... Some of the best players in the country.....

Let’s face it...... every 5 star high school football player in the country chooses a college that will provide the best roadmap to the NFL for that young man.

You seem to see the dark side of things for some odd reason.

The Rock

The Rock

How many college kids eventually make it or never had the inclination to make it to the PRO'S.? Look up the numerical ratio of players on every college team in the country and how many succeed or move on to the pro's. What do these remaining kids play for? You are exposing your inner thoughts and beliefs of what you would do if you were in their situation. Why would you question the few who would make that same decision?

The Rock

You really don't believe Oklahoma outplayed Alabama at any time other than when Alabama killed themselves with penalties. How about 1ST down from 1 yd. line and three penalties put them back at the 31. These were ACC refs who do NOT exactly love the SEC and despise Alabama. We're all human. Who do you think they wanted Clemson to play: Oklahoma or Alabama?

This game was no where close as the score indicated if you know the nuances of football. Not close.

The Rock

The only quarter Alabama did out score OU was the first quarter. The problem for OU was they did so to such a degree that they never had a chance. Saban gets you on your heels and unleashes the dogs. Even so, The next 3 Quarters were even or Favored OU in points scored. What won the game for 'bama was the huge explosion in the first quarter and time of possession. Look at the stats by quarter. My goodness Alabama had 191 total yards before OU ever had 1 TOTAL yard. You can't give that team that lead and recover. No one could. Because they are going to put points on the board against anyone.

The game last 4 quarters and that is what it takes to win. As Alabama proved perfectly. OU came out, made the best of their opportunity's and actually made it a game after the first quarter. Yes, 'bama scored when they had the ball. So did OU. And, no I do not believe OU out played the tide. I believe what I said before the game. If Murray got going, he was going to give them problems. And, the fact they over came a 28-0 deficit to make it a 4 quarter game proves that. OU was not outclassed in every quarter. They moved the ball better then 'bama did minus the first Quarter. Alabama won because the played the ONLY game that would have produced that win. The stats say that. Not me.

As far as penalty's causing the game to be close, that is just stupid. How many defenders mauled the OU receivers and were never called for it? That off sides penalty on the 'bama defense that wasn't called in the 4th quarter was a travesty. Within 11 points, moving the ball, no interference calls. No off sides call. For every thing they did to cause them a problem, they sure had enough non calls to make up for that.

Alabama won. Good for them. Clemson looked better then they have looked all season. 'Bama better get ready. Because if they do the same championship night, they aren't going to get three scores behind before they settle down and play.

God Bless men

No No. I did not say penalties caused the game to be close. I said penalties by Alabama's own hand killed them at times when they were close and could have scored. Holding penalties can be called on every play in football and everyone knows that and the game could take 6 hrs. to play. The Refs selectively call these penalties on every team usually on holding that effects the play in progress. From the 9 yd line they call holding on Alabama on the OPPOSITE side of the field that did not impact the play 46 yds away by refs from the ACC as I stated. Alabama would have won this game if they called holding on them every play. Oklahoma was outclassed. Period. To believe otherwise is ludicrous as in men playing against boys. Clemson looked that good against a cream puff ND team........ Oklahoma was NEVER going to win that game against the Tide and I said so. As far as Oklahoma settling down I would advise they settle elsewhere like Ohio maybe. They could have fun with that team because truthfully who can't.

If you believe that Clemson is going to beat Alabama your not in a for a surprise you are in for a awakening. Love you dude.... :-)

;)

They better bring Fred and Barney, their boss and the entire Quarry.....and then they have no chance. ;-)

The Rock

The Rock

We are the greatest!!!!!!!!! Nobody can beat us!!!!!!!!! We are the best of all time!!!!!!! The SEC rules!!!!!!!!!!

Time will Tell. Bet you can't guess who I am rooting for.

The truth through all this is that the SEC DOES INDEED RULE. Who are you watching in the BCS Championship game and hoping to get beat like everyone else? The SEC king Alabama. Right?...and all the other bowl games....SEC right? Is this not dominance? ;-)

The Rock

The Rock

If Alabama did not recruit as heavily as they do who do think would be getting the 5 star recruits....every other SEC team and occasionally a ACC team. These are football factories and Texas A&M and Missouri joining the SEC is proof positive. The TV money alone the SEC takes in dwarfs any other conference in their dollars.

Interesting that Notre Dame is in the ACC in everything else but football.

The Rock

Give them 5 minutes and they will tell you!

I’ll shutup and watch some good football. :-)

Just like to watch some good ball. Football, basketball, baseball, softball, and volleyball. SEC and whoever they play. I pull for SEC and the Sunbelt. Always. It’s where I’m from. :-)

Happy New Year.

How easily we forget who was the guy that predicted Trump would win easily and bet money on it to back it up. I was ripped from pillar to post until...SURPRISE...on election night. That said Alabama is a lock against a 6.5 inch tall true freshman who never faced a team like this in his life. He is in for more than the Trump surprise. ;-)

Side note: Missouri was going in for the winning TD tonight against Okla. State at the 9 yd line with 30 seconds left and blew it. See...a SEC team that bit the dust and I am the first one here reporting it. ;;;;-----))))

The Rock

Back to football. You’d better hope that ‘bans wind after all the smack you’ve laid down.

I have never been in better hands...EVER. This team is just too deep. Tua goes out, who comes in? Jalen Hurt. Now that don't hurt one bit. To be honest Clemson's QB is going to be something to see over the next 3-4 years. This kid has the entire range, they just have to straighten his head out a little. The Pro's have had him clocked since HS. Should be close when the game starts but once they roll the clock....ROOLLLLL Tide.

The Rock

Something is seriously wrong with the gears on the top floor and I blame liberal breeding for this saturation of cell killing. This is not normal when it bleeds into sports.

The Rock

I truly believed Penn State would beat Kentucky too.

I'm truly beginning to think I don't know much.

I did not think Iowa had a chance against a Miss State that I seen earlier and then again later in this year. I was totally blindsided thus my previous rant. They got beat, that's the only story that matters. How they were beaten is inconsequential my feelings aside. Kentucky has been playing well but once again I did not think they could handle Penn State. Bingo. LSU was a lock and I was very confident that they would blow out UCF. Here I am shaking my head again. I hope my wayward picks don't hex the only one that counts for me.........The Tide. I think I am in real good shape there. REAL good shape. ;-)

The Rock

"You are right Rock. Alabama is going to kill Clemson. Beat the panty's right off that freshman Quarterback Clemson is fielding. It is going to be a spectacle of domination favoring the mighty, unbeatable Tide."

I hope the spirit of that sentiment serves you as well as it has me the last week.

I figured if I said it loud enough on here maybe the O coordinator would hear it. Cause he hasn't heard me screaming it at the TV yet.

Now you have me biting my nails that you picked The Tide. Did you ever see the movie, A Bronx Tale? If you did please don't "mush" me. ;-) 17-0 Texas right now but I think Georgia is going to win this.

The Rock

In all sincerity, I think OSU should have been there, especially when looking at ND's performance.

Seriously, how do you loose against a team that doesn't even have that formation? The Quarterback reads are a joke with a one back set. It's why Texas was a 4 lose team.

Anyone else think they should have just called off the LSU-UCF contest in the first quarter? Maybe it is par for the course and just stood out in this game for some reason, but to me the sportsmanship in that game was pathetic. I'm not even talking about the targeting DQs either.

It reminded me of a WVU game. Complete physical domination but, couldn’t fart right on two possessions in a row.

Texas should have won by 3 more touchdowns. But, they proved to once again be their best opponent by sputtering around with that joke of an offense. Yet they still beat one of the sacred.

The SEC will still have the best conference record among power 5's after the national championship.

Both of these juggernauts are on their way to Santa Clara to watch and learn real football played by real men. Why do you think they set the site so close to the Rose Bowl well within walking distance for these scrubs. ;-)

In all seriousness that was a disgrace to the Rose Bowl game in recent memory. Then again what could we expect from a 4 loss team from the PAC 12. Wait ...it was what...close? ;-)

Now sit back and watch a real football team play Monday night and come backing with your hat in your hand singing and wailing...Hail to the Tide and to "The Rock". ;-0

Me Baby......

The Rock

The Rock

You could have gotten Clemson, Ohio State and the 7.5. ;-) I will tell you one thing 'Bone. I wear a size 13 shoe and that will be pretty tough going down if the Tide.......loooo....looo....nah. Can't happen.

The Rock

8^))))))))))))))))))))))

That should shut their mouths about SEC superiority.... Hey, they brought it on their selves, time to eat crow... And a 28 point BEAT DOWN by a freshman QB to boot... Wow!!!

I've heard tabasco is good on crow, Rocco.

Matt

SEC 16, Not the SEC 44!

ROTFLMAO!

I honestly didn't see that one coming.

Congrats to Clemson!!

Matt

The Rock

How do think I feel? This was a rocking chair game for me and I never had the chance to watch a second of Wonder Woman. Man I am bleeding from every orifice in my body, and, that many more inflicted by my "acquaintances" here on the CF. One wrong pick no matter how many wins and your getting speared. Hey, but that's the game when you go out on a limb and you can't complain when you come to and find yourself laying at the base of the tree...ALONE.. . ;-)

The Rock

Now, with the Championship: I really believe Alabama was in the game for the entire first half, and a portion of the second. Later on in the 2nd half, it was a "blood in the water in a pool full of sharks" kind of thing. It was but a few key plays that entirely derailed the 'Bama momentum, imho.

I have been touting and watching Alabama an extensive portion of my life and I can say that the Tide was put on their heels by Clemson even as they looked competitive early. I had a very bad feeling about the Tide at halftime as this seemed not to be the best this team could play. Clemson IMO was never in danger of losing this game from the first whistle and they played the entire clock from start to finish. Alabama was beat straight up by a superior team on this night. Period.

The Rock

HINT:

It's NOT Alabama!

It's the Bison from North Dakota State University in Fargo, ND, which won their SEVENTH National Championship in the last eight years last Saturday.

That's pretty cool for a school that loses their head coaches to bigger programs frequently because the Bison are so freaking good year after year after year!

Am I biased?

Damned straight!

I was born in Fargo and until he enlisted in the Army when WWII broke out (he was awarded a Silver Star in Italy for "Gallantry in Action"), my father attended NDSU.

Good on Mount Union!

But seven out of the last eight beats eight out of the last 15, esp. when it's done at a higher level.