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Proof: Liberalism is a Mental Disorder
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slade 17-Dec-18
JTV 17-Dec-18
Will 17-Dec-18
NvaGvUp 17-Dec-18
KSflatlander 17-Dec-18
JTV 17-Dec-18
Bentstick81 17-Dec-18
Your fav poster 17-Dec-18
Coyote 65 17-Dec-18
JTV 17-Dec-18
Solo 17-Dec-18
Bentstick81 17-Dec-18
TD 17-Dec-18
Bentstick81 17-Dec-18
slade 17-Dec-18
Will 17-Dec-18
Jim Moore 17-Dec-18
slade 17-Dec-18
DoorKnob 18-Dec-18
slade 18-Dec-18
K Cummings 18-Dec-18
Bentstick81 18-Dec-18
Your fav poster 18-Dec-18
Will 18-Dec-18
elkmtngear 18-Dec-18
slade 18-Dec-18
jjs 18-Dec-18
Bentstick81 18-Dec-18
TD 18-Dec-18
TT-Pi 18-Dec-18
slade 18-Dec-18
Annony Mouse 18-Dec-18
JTV 18-Dec-18
Handle 19-Dec-18
JTV 19-Dec-18
slade 29-Dec-18
Dirk Diggler 29-Dec-18
Dirk Diggler 29-Dec-18
JTV 29-Dec-18
Annony Mouse 29-Dec-18
BIG BEAR 29-Dec-18
Will 29-Dec-18
TGbow 29-Dec-18
Your fav poster 30-Dec-18
JTV 30-Dec-18
Will 02-Jan-19
BC 02-Jan-19
NvaGvUp 02-Jan-19
Will 02-Jan-19
TT-Pi 02-Jan-19
KSflatlander 02-Jan-19
gflight 02-Jan-19
TT-Pi 02-Jan-19
TD 03-Jan-19
NvaGvUp 03-Jan-19
Will 03-Jan-19
TT-Pi 03-Jan-19
JTV 04-Jan-19
KSflatlander 04-Jan-19
From: slade
17-Dec-18

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No doubt they will use it to assimilate normal Americans into the collective.

""A bill that would require a mental health exam for every student in grades 6 through 12 each academic year is up for consideration in the Oregon state legislature. Legislative Concept 2890 would require school districts and public charter schools to conduct “mental health wellness checks” annually on every student in grades 6 through 12, Truth in American Education observes.

According to Mental Health America, Oregon is ranked as the state with the highest prevalence of mental illness. Additionally, the state earned a ranking of 16 out of 51 on Mental Health America’s “Access to Care” map.""

From: JTV
17-Dec-18
Big brother IS watching ... PutZ and his PutZedians on here would surely fail it .. their case of TDS is so bad, it is terminal ...

From: Will
17-Dec-18

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Crap, you guys have finally done it to me - I've broken. All my inner dialogue saying I'm a centrist is about to crash down because I'm not seeing much of an issue with this. (ha ha ha) Especially if it's used to help the kids get counseling / treatment at earlier ages and thus cause less of a drain on the health care system later in life, or do something stupid because they are untreated.

Then again, given the pic, the state would suggest conservatism is a mental disorder since most of the state is red and the state is noted in the article to have the highest rate of mental disorders...

Ill have to hunt down some info on it to really understand it what they are doing. If the intent is what I noted above, I'm cool with it.

From: NvaGvUp
17-Dec-18
Will,

Per your map, Greater Portland, Eugene ( the U of O), Corvallis (OSU) and Salem (State Givernment) are basically the only left-wing bat-sheet crazy places in the state.

Of course, if the bill passes, it will apply statewide.

From: KSflatlander
17-Dec-18
Yeah, we should wait until they shoot up a school, become a homeless drug addict, or attempt suicide before assess their mental health and get them help. Mental illness is a serious issue in this country and affects most families (liberal or conservative) in America in some way. But carry on with your generalizations and stigma.

From: JTV
17-Dec-18
50 years a go there wasnt mass shootings, school shootings, mall shootings, etc, not like what we've seen today..... but then, there was more faith in religion too

From: Bentstick81
17-Dec-18
Have you noticed that ever since the parents had to stop whipping their kids a$$, because the kids said they would call the police and claim child abuse, is when these kids have become wilder than a March hare? Parents aren't allowed to discipline their children, and it's showing daily.

17-Dec-18
Really? Do you Enjoy hitting little kids? And the law won’t allow you? Um, It’s because hitting kids is abuse. According to the law and all. But what do they know. Right?

Maybe using your brain and intellect and reading a few parenting books actually works. Rather than beating them into obedience.

From: Coyote 65
17-Dec-18
Spare the rod, spoil the child. Evidently you never got any punishment.

Terry

From: JTV
17-Dec-18
yep, that shows on his stupidness now ...

From: Solo
17-Dec-18
Both Oregon & Washington have an inordinate number of similarities with western third-world countries. That's why I call the Columbia River, the Amazon.

My coworkers don't get it. Yet, ironically, they continue to support democrats while they constantly complain about the very policies those same dimwit politicos proudly promote continually.

So I continue to hold out hope that I don't have to resort to bitch-slapping some common sense into them someday.... :^p

From: Bentstick81
17-Dec-18
yfp. I knew you wouldn't understand. You were a spoiled punk, that was raised with a silver spoon in your mouth. The PROOF is in the way you LIE, and the FAKE PHONY FRAUD that you are. So yfp. Tell us how you discipline a student that LIES like you do????

17-Dec-18
hahha, jeffrey, sure, I was raised in a guilded penthouse in Manhattan, where I inherited millions from my dad. Oh wait thats trump. And my students don't lie to me. They have no need to. And I see you as the phony fraud. You acknowledge that trump lies but you won't hold him responsible for his lies. Why Jeffrey? Why do you support a liar in chief? It makes you a phone and a fraud as well as a hypocrite. 8^^^^^^^

From: TD
17-Dec-18
Want to bet questions like "are there firearms in your home?" will be prominent? As if that has anything to do with mental health? Who makes the test? More important, who administers and "grades" it? And seeing how most kids love to mess with adults...... they can fake it or hide it, whichever they like. Not to mention "mental health" isn't an exact science in any way, shape or form.

I'm sure some think it's real cool, and likely enjoy "counseling". I'm kinda taken aback that some people are OK with what is essentially MANDATED psychoanalysis? I'da been labeled anti-social I guess..... right after I told them to go procreate themselves...... go play your games with someone else....

As stated....50 years ago there were no school shootings, etc. Seems like bottom line that is what this is all about. No testing for mental illness, etc. And in high school you could count the guns in the window gun racks in the Senior parking lot. Dozens, I always had 2 or 3. Why now? Ever ask yourselves that? Ever? What has changed? Hint: not the guns...

"Let the Snowflake Special, shine a light on you....." now lets all quietly line up for our daily medication so we can get you off to class.....

From: Bentstick81
17-Dec-18
"And my students don't LIE to me. They have no need to." So, why do you LIE all the time on here??? So do you tell your students or show your students just how much of a LIAR that you are on here??? Oh, that would PROVE the LYING PHONY FRAUD that you are. Believe me yfp, there's no one that is as much of a LYING, PHONY, FRAUD, as you are. 35+ Times you have proven on here the LYING PHONY FRAUD that you are, and you did all the work.

From: slade
17-Dec-18
Will,

I know this is asking a lot form a bowlib, but you want want to chweck the opulation of all those red counties before yammering poppycock.

From: Will
17-Dec-18
Slade - already did it, in 2017 when everyone was so busy posting pic's of the same map of the nation, and I learned that there are approximately 2 people in the entire red region :). Very few is the answer, at least compared to the blue. I see that Portland is about 632K. with a total state population of a bit over 4.1mil. A quick estimate suggests a bit under or around half the population of the state is in the blue. If I wanted to spend a lot of time on this to satisfy your desire to see me say that the majority of the state population is in the blue, thus they are the crazy people I could dig deeper.

Is my poppy cock related to using a map with a lot of red areas (as people have been doing for two years to try and say the majority voted a certain way) or to thinking mental health screen's may be beneficial for people? I'm surprised that post frustrated you man, I figured you would like to see that I'm starting to realize, as Spike has suggested, that my centrist belief, at least on by CF standards, is in fact bat s**t crazy libtard :)

From: Jim Moore
17-Dec-18
At first glance, it looks to me to be more of a look at the parents by using the child,. "Hey Johnny, does your father own any firearms? What kind of movies do your parents watch?" It's just more of what the socialists want to happen. They want to dig into your private lives via the ole saw of "it's for the children." That's my opinion, anyway. As near as 10 years ago, I remember questionnaires coming home with my youngest son (who is now out and on his own) asking some pretty private questions. We would just scrawl across the front, "none of your business." We would get a response saying it was just a survey, but we would just respond again, it was none of their business. Our son was good kid and never got in trouble. I cannot believe some of you are so willing compliant.

From: slade
17-Dec-18
No frustration on my end, but yes Spike makes a good point...........:)

From: DoorKnob
18-Dec-18
So then ... baiting is alive and well here?

From: slade
18-Dec-18
Always...........

From: K Cummings
18-Dec-18
Parents aren't allowed willing or present enough to discipline their children, and it's showing daily.

Hope you don't mind, I fixed that for you.

KPC

From: Bentstick81
18-Dec-18
Don't mind at all KPC. I would've left "allowed" in there also, though. The one's that are, willing or present, would probably get arrested for child abuse, just because the kids want to be able to do what he or she wants, without discipline. Top that off with a LYING TEACHER like yfp, most likely telling the kids that discipline is child abuse, and the kid is doomed.

18-Dec-18
Ah, nice how you changed my words Jeffrey. That’s called dishonesty by the way

Discipline is not child abuse, HITTING and BEATING a child is. And that’s not me saying it, it’s the law. You do respect the law, right?

18-Dec-18
So, when we all received hearing and eye tests in grade school, what was the government plot?

I thought it was to make sure learning was not impeded by a physical challenge. Obviously I am wrong.

Are mental disorders worth looking into? To use a favorite ploy here, if it gets one person help that prevents a school shooting, is it worth it?

Mental challenges according to some are at levels never recorded before. Scientists are studying several contributing factors, including but not limited to beatings, er, I mean discipline.

From: Will
18-Dec-18
Slade - this is awesome man - we agree! :) ha ha ha!

Going back to the key point though, if folks are treated early, it most likely reduces costs on the medical or legal system long term given the challenges of advanced mental illness. Since mental illness tends to come with more difficulty holding jobs as well, it seems recognizing it may be a factor and starting help early could lead to less total strain on the systems which pay for those folks care later when the poo goes down - and I'm not talking school shootings, I'm just talking about being unable to function in society, work, etc...

Seems to make sense, to limit the expense we all face long term.

H4W raises a good point as well on two fronts. That screenings for various health factors have been common practice for decades and help. This seems to be in that category. His last couple sentences also are on point based on a lot of research into corporal punishment.

From: elkmtngear
18-Dec-18
They should limit their testing to kids with Fatherless homes..it's the "common denominator" for kids that go "off the rails" these Days.

From: slade
18-Dec-18
""They should limit their testing to kids with Fatherless homes.""

And let's not forget voodoo Psych drugs they use to stop boys from being boys...........

From: jjs
18-Dec-18
"You do respect the law, right", isn't crossing the border illegal or lying to Congress (Holder, Clapper, Brennan, Learner, etc). Looking at the speck in one's eye and the log is in yours. A double standard of law is the most dangerous methods to achieve an political outcome in this country.

18-Dec-18
Check mate!

From: Bentstick81
18-Dec-18
yfp. Once again you spun what i said in hoping that you somehow, can show some intelligence. You failed once again. I mentioned whipping a kids a$$. Not beating it. Go up and read my post, idiot. Once again you bring another LYING reply in. Keep right on proving to us all, the LYING PHONY FRAUD that you are. PRICELESS!!!! 8^))))

From: TD
18-Dec-18
There are standards for hearing, vision, etc. It is not a subjective test. Nor do they ask personal family questions..... what does your father do for work? Your mom? Do you live with your mom and dad? Are their guns in the home (you KNOW that will be worked in...) Do your parents drink? Step mom or dad? Brothers and sisters? Religion? Get the "right" physiologist and the questions will slide into "do you sometimes wish you were another sex?" Exactly what are you screening for? Learning disorders? Psychopaths? Snowflakes triggered by every other word or action? The variations are endless....... the depth bottomless.

Can you even explain in clear measurable terms what good "mental health" is? And isn't?

Fact is..... you don't need to be a psychologist to get a feel for a person when you're dealing with them hours every day, 5 days a week. A pattern can be seen and documented among teachers. I believe that is already pretty much a standard practice. I doubt you will find many with the "screening" that aren't already known to have some "issues".

The big question, even the big question if they are "screened"...... now what? What actions will be taken? What authority are you acting on? The state? Really? You want state action taken on an educated hunch? With no measurable standards? Mandatory "counseling" to go with the mandatory screening? There are a good many who think "cry closets" and "safe spaces" actually help with anything...... is that who is in charge of this?

I don't think the problem is "finding them". I think the problem is "now what?" Offer help? What rights do you have over other peoples lives if they don't accept your offer to "help"?

From: TT-Pi
18-Dec-18
TD. I agree it is not difficult to find the odd ducks.

What rights? We could start with the right to prohibit firearm access for those who are clearly mentally unfit. ( granted, this must be a very well organized and high functioning system of evaluation) Perhaps strick guidelines and follow-ups on any access that such a person could have. A regular visit from a qualified agent for the mentally ill person is a preventative measure.

You can't force help but we can protect others.

From: slade
18-Dec-18

From: Annony Mouse
18-Dec-18
Poor Putzie...he OD'd.

From: JTV
18-Dec-18
Watching CNN/MSNBC does the same ^^^ ... PutZ and his fellow PutZedians are proof of that ....

From: Handle
19-Dec-18

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From: JTV
19-Dec-18

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Liberals prefer "feelings" over wisdom and truths ..... PutZ and his minions proves this daily on here ... good article ..

https://www.dailysignal.com/2018/12/19/the-left-prioritizes-feelings-over-wisdom/

From: slade
29-Dec-18

From: Dirk Diggler
29-Dec-18

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I dont know why you guys think liberals need a mental health evaluation.

From: Dirk Diggler
29-Dec-18

Dirk Diggler's Link
Wrong link. Damn phone!

From: JTV
29-Dec-18
Paul Zeidans second cousin ^^^ .... smh ... TDS is terminal ....

From: Annony Mouse
29-Dec-18

From: BIG BEAR
29-Dec-18
The way I see it is...... Those left wing vagina hat liberals are bat shit crazy........ But so are the radical right wing nut jobs.......Bust out the tin foil for them......

From: Will
29-Dec-18
^^^^^ Bingo, Bingo! Big Bear got Bingo! :)

From: TGbow
29-Dec-18
What bothers me is when the state requires a mental health test. Who defines what is good mental health? If you don't line up with some liberal wacko definition...what then?

BTW, there is a difference in abusing a physically abusing a child and spanking their butt.

Of course liberals don't know the difference.

30-Dec-18

From: JTV
30-Dec-18

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I am PutZ, aint my fault roses always smell like crap ...
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I am PutZ, aint my fault roses always smell like crap ...

From: Will
02-Jan-19
The definition would have to be medical. If democrats/libs or republicans/cons dont like it they can go pound sand. If solid medical science has found that X Y Z increase odds of mental illness, political affiliation or ideology should not matter. Figure out how to help the kid and reduce long term medical costs on the system and potential for future issues.

From: BC
02-Jan-19
Will, what if the science/medical professionals are wrong. Right now we are being told that there is really no such thing as gender. A person is what he or she identifies with. This flies in the face of biology, logic and truth. My point is, people have agendas and will go to any lengths to achieve them.

From: NvaGvUp
02-Jan-19
Will,

Politics is already involved in the bill. So no way will it be 'pure medical.'

And even then, who decides what 'medical' is?

The liberal OR legislature?

Some far-left shrink?

From: Will
02-Jan-19
Nva, public health professionals, like physicians and researchers. The political affiliation nor ideology matter at all, other than to other politicians or those wanting to make public health policy a political ploy. Both parties do that, because it's a hot button and gets folks to the polls... and its asinine.

BC did you see that other thread with the article Pig Doc linked on gender? Public health professionals collect medical data on students every year at schools related to vision, hearing, cognition, motor skills etc. Its just really hard for me to see mental health screening as a long term negative considering how much data is pulled on kids already.

And, we potentially save $ long term by preventing/ managing mental illness before it's way off the rails.

That kid may be able work and contribute to society at a far greater level over a lifespan.

I dont deny that any info can be used nefariously. Or that I'm pathologically optimistic. It just seems a simple strategy like this could be a positive.

From: TT-Pi
02-Jan-19
Two things.

One: for your "Bingo game." Will. There are far more influential and active public loons on the left ( the majority of lefties) than whacky far right nuts ( the minority of right siders ) Cancel that Bingo!

Two: If we're able to accept well-trained psych professionals we could get somewhere but it is all too common with the Left to redefine the value of professional credentials according to political affiliation. This is more of a problem with the left, in all things including constitution and law enforcement, as written. They would do the same with mental health. ( Just redefine without reason.)

That is what makes it such a problem. (Reason v. popularity)

There's your Bingo!

From: KSflatlander
02-Jan-19
If there are more lefties then how did Trump win the election...lol.

From: gflight
02-Jan-19
Would like to point for you 50 years ago there wasn't school shootings people that on Aug 1, 1966 there was 17 killed at 31 wounded at U of Texas Austin....

No wonder you guys support gun control, geez....

From: TT-Pi
02-Jan-19
There are more on the left shooting their mouth off in public. ( the Mob loves a good battle cry and charge) Sadly, that hype must be valued by this new age of irrationality. That which follows passion over persuasion.

Something of our past that was good ( rational thought process) got tossed out with the bath water.

I don't think there are more on the left but it was growing at a faster rate among motivated voters. Eventually, even the plague will stop spreading. This too will end but not die out.

I was once asked: Would you rather be liked or right?

Everyone I respect aims to be right the rest end up being liked.

From: TD
03-Jan-19
All those other tests have well defined parameters, as well as time tested treatments to correct them. As well as more tests to confirm the diagnosis correct and treatment correct.

I'm asking..... is there ANY such thing as hard parameters in testing mental illness? Can you get a hundred mental illness professionals to even agree as to pass/fail parameters? Can you get them to agree even on what should be tested?

Do they ask personal family questions when they check your vision? Ask if the family owns (gasp!) guns? Does your mother/father drink? Do they both live at home..... do they argue? What are you going to do if all the answers don't line up to...... somebody.....

Apples and oranges as to what testing you are suggesting. Not even in the same ballpark, much less the same room. There is subjective input and results to mental health..... likely on the magnitude of 10-20..... a hundred times more than whatever physical testing there may currently be.

From: NvaGvUp
03-Jan-19
Will,

What happens when a kid grows up hunting and therefore likes guns? Will he be declared mentally unbalanced and a threat?

He will be if he's 'examined' by the wrong so-called expert.

From: Will
03-Jan-19
Yes, there are criteria related to mental health diagnoses just like bronchitis, the flu, stroke, etc etc etc. So there are criteria in place that can work. If you ask 100 doc's if a person has the flu or just a virus of unknown origin, and dont offer a specific clinical test, you likely get some sort of range - maybe 75-90% say flu, and the rest other virus of unknown origin. They have to use exam gleaned data and clinical judgement to make the call. They have tons of education and experience to do that. Mental health providers are in the same boat, except you are not going to be able to come up with a blood test to see if a kid has mental illness (or an adult). So you are going to have to operate on exam based data and clinical judgement. Again, we have a highly trained professional who is trained to do that.

Is it possible that they will ask if a gun is in the house, no, it's almost 100% certain given that is common practice, I believe mandatory in many states, for medical practitioners across the land - assuming they are doing a good job.

That has ZERO to do with whether a person is mentally ill or not. It does not contribute to the dx.

If that person's condition suggests they are mentally ill, then it becomes a factor.

Now we go worm hole - what if the mom/dad/sister etc own a gun. Is the childs mental instability disqualifying for personal ownership? No - while I accept many would say that risk is to great so this whole thing is bovine excrement. However, does that then allow the provider to discuss with the family: "Hey, make sure things are locked up, dont let them have access to the key to the gun safe. Oh, you cant afford a safe. Ok, can you at least trigger lock the firearms you have?..." etc etc.

Then again, Ill circle it back. The key to me, is that early dx and treatment is most likely to keep that person functioning at the best level and positively contributing to society long term. It very likely ends up saving all of us money long term, which is a positive to me as well.

Could a rogue off the rails crazy provider abuse this? Sure. Just like people in all fields and industries sometimes go off the rails.

I just dont see screening kids for mental health problems, and getting them treatment early if possible, as a bad thing. I dont see it as political in any way. I dont see it as being an invasion into our privacy (the families of those kids).

Spike your point is a good one. Ill suggest it's more a cultural phenomenon relative to ethnocentricity and some degree of a narcissistic world view that's culturally been pushed forward. If someone stands to the left, they see the same "issues" to the right and vice versa. It's the old "this is true for me that's true for you, but if you disagree you are a fascist/racist/homophobic/bigoted etc... " Or "if you disagree you are a baby killing libtard america hating commie". Pretty lipstick from both angles, but just hurts either cause in the long run. If people could be people, and recognize other world views add to the world v take away, we would all be a lot better off for it. Yes, if folks on the left would quit assuming the President/any Republican is a fascist authoritarian and be open to the ideas they discuss that would help at least get along, and at best, all would rise for it. The reverse is true as well.

So yeah, I hear you and feel what you are saying. I'm hopeful R's can recognize as well that because an ideas origin is not from a specific angle, that it can still be a good idea.

Ideas add value to our knowledge individually, culturally and as a society as a whole. Be they ideas we gravitate towards or away from.

Your point, Spike, is a really good one. And I get the skepticism from the political direction - it's a really good point! From the public health perspective, I just feel this sort of screening, especially given situation leading to the decision to bring this approach to the fore showed a real need for greater mental health care services in that population.

From: TT-Pi
03-Jan-19
It's almost always known who is unstable or who is a threat. We could all point to a few who our community had concerns over. Back in the day. And now.

It became a taboo to approach the issue and monitor the individual. It became commonplace to treat with drugs that oftentimes make matters worse. See the list of mass shooters and the drugs they were on. ( absent a Therapist of course)

Once upon a time those same people were taken off the street and received therapy. Sometimes drugs were also added to assist in lessening symptoms. I am sure of this as my Stepfather was A Director of Psychotherapy Clinics in New England, from early 1960 onward and Pioneered in-home evaluations for children at risk.

There was a great success until someone decided that drug therapy was the better way to go ( economic justification) and the therapy part vanished. People were dumped back on the street and or back into family homes. Drugs and almost no psych - therapy. No accountability and nowhere to sound an alarm when the individual was exhibiting signs of trouble. Almost all do.

A lawyer friend we know, who is Bipolar, worked to defend the wrongfully incarcerated in more recent years. It was evident when a patient needed institutional restraints. Evident when she needed it too.

Those are the people that we have a very good opportunity to intercept when meds are not working and those are the people who need to have regular check-ins and follow up visits. They need a real Therapist and not a social worker.

It fell out of favor ... too invasive to their rights and all . Now we have the same mess we started with and are reinventing the Psych Wheel.

Its not a rational progression from the unknown to the known ... emotional half-baked thoughts without good reason to temper them took the day. That's what got us here.

Same issue and sentiments that prompt Sanctuary cities, illegal criminal offenders on the street, and interfere with the process of keeping problem people in check. It is the Liberals creation ... Own it and get with the program.

From: JTV
04-Jan-19

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From: KSflatlander
04-Jan-19
Great post TT

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