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Democrats Support Border Security
Of course we do. Just not an archaic and expensive wall that the taxpayers are now being saddled with. Mexico was supposed to pay. Let them pay for it
YFP - curious.... what kind of "border security" would you propose? I mean other than just throwing that term around. And how would you see it working to stop, say 6 thousand migrants gathered at the border from coming in.
Build it baby. they will pay. Just tax wire transfers to mexico. Be paid in the two weeks.
Build the wall, add more border security, add more security tech, fix the visa over-stay issue, and create a effective naturalization process. Once the border, visa, and naturalization systems are solid then make the dreamers citizens.
KS, I agree with all, but dont give the DACA Illegals the right to vote .. they shouldnt be here in the first place .. that would be 800,000 instant democrats ... well, 799,999 ;0)
If they are citizens then the get the right to vote. You can’t eliminate other Americans rights (if they become citizens) because you don’t like how they may vote. Shut all illegal immigration down for good. It is possible regardless of what Democrats tell you. If they could build the Great Wall of China without modern tech thousands of years ago I think we could build a wall anywhere.
then they dont become "citizens" ...
1) DACA means they’re legal.
2). Manned security, drones for remote areas. Increase personnel at amnesty sites, give the Central American nations incentives to keep their refugees. Financial or otherwise.
There are many things that can be done.
But don’t tell America that Mexico is buying us a wall and then charge the taxpayer and then hold the government hostage because the president isn’t a good enough negotiator to get that wall paid for by Mexico.
Hell, he’s a billionaire. He’s also certain that Mexico will pay. So let trump front the money and he can go after Mexico to pay him back!
And for the record. New Jersey prosecutors have evidence that supervisors at Trump’s New Jersey golf club may have provided fraudulent green cards and Social Security numbers to undocumented immigrant workers.
We always knew he used undocumented workers. Now here’s definitive proof.
the dems want to use spit balls and tortillas to stop illegal immigration. in other words, they want to make sure everything they do to secure the border fails.
There's a surprise. Half the country employs undocumented workers and ALL unskilled workers in every industry. The Trump Corporations are different? You should be clapping that he is keeping illegals working since you love them so much. You can't have it both ways. Democrats are a blight on the future of this nation and one only need look at Bernie Sanders and this brilliant mind of intelligence, Cortez. Where are these dyed in the wool socialists leading us. I will tell you. Off the proverbial capitalistic cliff. That is your party and the one you defend and can't do a damned thing about it. Don't worry the conservatives will save you from yourselves and place you in socialist communes and you can have a oatmeal party. That will be about as close to a steak as you will ever get, all living and eating the same. Don't forget to send flowers. ;-0
Is that news? Dishlickers get cards here.
Don't matter as long as we Out of Obamunism in USA.
Only in Trumpland could his employment of illegals be acceptable and rationalized.
KS, Why would the Trump Organization be treated any differently than other business? Btw.... The CEO of large corporation concerns do not the hiring and firing except at the highest levels of the boardroom, but a man of your intelligence would know that. Another mushroom struggling for light.
Rocky- I understand what you are saying. I don’t think Trump knew about it but if he is the leader (corporate or government) then it’s on him. Could he not have ordered his corp HR folks to go through all files and make sure all were legal? If a company wanted to only hire legal workers they could do it. If Trump really wanted to stop risking hiring illegals he could just hire America citizens (see link).
1) trump is the president. Supposedly the “law and order” President. We all know how that’s been working out
2). He spouts off about illegals taking jobs, um. He hires them!
So in summary, the president wants one standard for others and totally different ones for himself.
No bueno amigo
YFP with all due respect sir, you're just another low life bs never trumper......:)
Its a pretty safe bet Trump's businesses personally create more jobs and he employs more people than all the other DC politicians combined x10. You're way out of your league when you try to bash Trump.
My guess hes on the full Dole , union pension or tenured SSI pension.
Blood suckers will fight for the Free Sh!t until the death panel says “ sorry yer to old to waste medical services on and you pay no taxes. Yer usefulness as a Onamunist clone larva is over”.
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So because trumps businesses create jobs, he's in the clear? No matter if he runs a shady operation?
I bet you didn't know how many jobs are created by drug cartels then? you must be in full support of that by your logic.
Oh hell it isn't logic, you're just drunk on trump kool aid. You should look up the symptoms of those who join cults. You'll see some remarkable commonalities.
but at least admit to us that you don't care what trump does, legal, not legal. And that you'll support him no matter what. I guess he was right, he could shoot someone on 5th ave and still have his supporters. Like I said, a cult.
Death panel...lol. Fake news at it’s worst.
NPR ??? ... really now ....smh ... why not CNN ? .... NPR is equal to Radio Moscow ...
See what ya get when ya tap out on Medicare without anything else.
You libtarts talk $ shit without ever antying up.
Chicken Hawks flying high.
For those who are super critical or obsessed with the leader instead of the policies. Trump doesn't need to be perfect to lead us. Everyone is flawed. So what if he said this or that ... it's how the voter needs to hear it to get the basic idea. Especially when campaigning. Remember "Hope and Change"? What was that? A Slogan to catch the attention. So what if Mexico doesn't pay up front or at all, directly or indirectly... Either you agree with a Wall or not. Why obsess over who pays up front if its a good idea Right now.
Would you go along if he just said sorry, I thought Mexico would pay but it's still a darn good thing that we do it... would you? Seriously, would that make you happy and allow you to get over his overly enthusiastic words. His misplaced optimism... He was wrong if he thought Mexico would pay up front ... there, all better? Now do you want a Wall or not? it's simple. stop obsessing over the personality.
To obsess over his flaws instead of the merit of his ideas is to let small stuff stop the big. Maybe that's the reason it's done. I don't know. But I remember teenagers making the same argument. They would lie about the big stuff to the parent ( those folks that carry the big load of responsibility) and point to small lies that the parent made to say its all the same. It's not.
This is what the PutZedians/Dems/Libs/Socialists (all one in the same) want ... illegals over citizens and to hell with law enforcement
I've been worn down by all the nuclear banter in every direction on this. Build it or not, but get on with the many important things our government does. What's 5b on top of trillions in debt anyway? It is clear our politicians don't give a hoot. Then we can figure out strategies to stop drugs from other countries coming in via the waters etc as well...
My thought process is that there needs to be a reasoned plan for those folks already here contributing or born here. That plan is not: You are out. A way can be reasonably determined if people are willing to do it - unlikely in today's climate, but perhaps if a big wall is built folks will ok it.
Then again, I also want better environmental regs. Businesses are doing great, there is ton's of capitol out there waiting to be spent and profits are big, so suck it up and accept some protections for the environment. My kids and their kids and your kids deserve an environment where hunting and fishing and hiking etc can be enjoyed. My parents generation worked to make huge changes that cleaned much of the toxic goo from our environment, going backwards is NOT an option.
If we get a pretty new wall, we get a clean place to live too.
I also want to see a legit - and not PORKED - infrastructure improvement plan. We have kids drinking literally poisonous water - families drinking it, likely creating a long term significant cost on our health care system - and we like the idea of saying "the EPA didnt catch it - their fault" or "Flint (or any of the many other cities and communities with junk water systems) made a stupid choice - their fault"... But in reality we have a massive national issue that just gets glossed over.
Take 5B for the wall, but fix the frigging water and generally failing infrastructure around the country too.
Oh, I'd also like some financing for better public schools. I'd like more use of scientifically driven education strategies to be implemented - look to countries with great success and also perform origainal work to determine the best way to prepare students for the realities of the world they will face. This would mean $ for the science, and $ for teachers/aides/etc. Oh, this also needs to have ZERO religious component outside philosophy or history related courses. Schools that do not teach actual science and teach Bogus concepts like young earth ONLY can be used by actual religious schools who are 100% student family or donor funded - ZERO fed/state tax dollars. (if that stuff goes in a philosophy course or history course ok... I'm talking about those ideas being used in place of actual known science).
Again - the wall is great. What was the goal? 40 feet high or something? Build it up. But then immediately get on with doing things that are vital to the long term well being of our country which we constantly hear we do not have enough money to do. Because clearly we do.
If the wall is going to be built... Build our country too.
I want two Barriers with a noman's land inbetween with nice towers every line of sight to line of sight. From each of these towers you have a land pad on the roof for launching armed or unarmed UAS's that can fly to the next towers miles away. So, joeshit the ragman from El Salvador climbs the first barrier he drops into No man's land. Border Troopers seen this from UAV or tower and launches Muti Task UAS that can shoot non lethal and subdue him/her (im an equal opportunity appprehension type operator). Now, from the bottom of each tower we have small bunker(at ground level) where we have a Fast V which opens into No Mans land between the fences and they apprehend the poor LBG. This not difficult. All been done before. I patrolled it and witnessed it. Lets get with it folks. Time has come. Stand strong in the face of invasion by osmosis.
Big difference between legally here and citizen. DACA....... we can debate about granting legal status. Not about citizenship. That is a non-starter. Instant citizenship flies in the face of all those of legal status who have taken the steps and done the work to obtain it. That would be wrong on every level you want to argue it. If they want citizenship then apply for it. Do the work. Take the steps. Take the tests and take the oath of allegiance. The system is set up for that. The system, the LAW..... is NOT set up to hand out citizenship to non-citizens because it warms the cockles of someones heart..... don't feel like making the effort...... go wizz up a rope......
Again, legal status is NOT citizenship. Only legal citizens vote and have all rights granted to citizens. Anyone here illegally should be deported.
Trump will give amnesty if he gets the wall...
Problem is the Demoncrats wont give it to him because it interferes with operations like Holder's "Fast & Furious" gun running to MS13....
Amnesty for who, the 22 Million already here? He be fish bait if he does. Daca is different. We can do those kids but Mama and Papa gotta hit the brick and go out and reenter at least on paper and pay back taxes. Hell, I say get em into the legal workforce and pay extra Taxes for say 10-20yrs for illegal entry or Visa over stay then give em a blue passport. Then all the while give us another big fat tax cut. Whats the harm in that. My tax burden has been greatly reduced, stuffed that revocable estate of mine full. Come try and get that Demterds, same stuff yer doing Nancy and Chucky. Gud fer you gud fer me. They say they fer the workin man/woman Bullsh!t.
"give the Central American nations incentives to keep their refugees. Financial or otherwise."
Why the hell should we?!? I'd rather spend the money on the wall ONCE, and be done with it.
Yep Cheap investment.
I have sent numerous emails to our Democrat dip s..t Senator Michael Bennet of Colorado. He is a full fledge follower of the horse's behind called Chuck Shumer. I didn't skip any words when I sent him messages on my thoughts.
Yep Pure Oxygen Thief. The hop heads from all over USA flock to Hemp City. So do the cartels. Yer state put the gun to their head and got the hammer halfway back. They will get use to the Dope tax money, spend every dime and then some. One day the wheel will stop and without that tax dope $ everything in CO will be underfunded without it. Guess who will have to make up that debt??
I'm very well understand all this HH. I give them hell every chance I get and I will NEVER vote for these sick ass Democrats.
It looks like Schumer screwed up the sit down Trump had today ... Schumer wouldnt let Kristjen Nielsen speak ... Trump told them to come back Friday ..
"I'm a little disappointed with, I would say, some on the other side," McCarthy continued. "Once the secretary [of Homeland Security] started, Senator [Chuck] Schumer interrupted her, and they really didn't want to hear it."
Instead, McCarthy said, Democrats wanted to push their proposed spending bill without funding for the president's proposed border wall." (Foxnews)
Dems have two full years to smatch defeat out of the jaws of victory.
Trump won’t get his wall. Especially after tmrw
And he’s losing leverage every day the shutdown goes on. Those unpaid govt workers will support him for so long before they realize they voted against their own interests.
Fact is, trump only cares about getting a win for trump. Not the common man, not the nation, but only for trump.
PutZ's home away from home
PutZ's home away from home
I see the issue here. You got a Commecticut poster here. Guy prolly loves his state income tax! Now ya Yankees have spent all that too. Have non funded state employees pension funds, cant hire more state police, yada yada.
You must know your Dems have run yer shizzle into the mud. Ct state property tax Mil rates are like 1600 English draconian tariffs. All this and your gonna tell us free men whats what. Right Bro.
Hamilton standard, GE, Colt, Winchester. High Standard and most manufacturing all gone from Ct. Anyonewho would listen to yer politcal garbage might as well just go to Venezuela to relocate!
No doubt. If you guys listen to anything from a CT Demtoid ya better get ready to be Wrong about 97% of the time.
Look at any stat you want.
Proof: Ct is the third largest state loosing residents. After IL and NY.
They aint leaving because CT is the bastian of good deals, right to work state.
PutZ lives in NY, not far from Chappaqua, NY., Clintons home ..... rumors have it he used to massage her cankles ...
John Kerry fights for border security. For his palatial home in France.
He’s worried about terrorists.
The latest news out of France suggests that open borders advocate John Kerry, a longtime Democrat politician who served as secretary of state from 2013 to 2017, believes using walls to protect people from potential harm is only acceptable when those walls are erected around properties he owns.
Properties like the lavish home Kerry’s family owns in Saint-Briac-sur-Mer, an upscale beach resort and commune in northwestern France built for the veritable one percent.
According to an Agence France-Presse report, 90 years ago the grandfather of Kerry and his first cousin Brice Lalonde purchased the Essarts castle in Saint-Briac. It has remained in their family ever since but was reportedly rebuilt as a villa after Nazi soldiers destroyed it during World War II.
Now fast-forward to the present. AFP notes that Kerry himself “has regularly spent time at the estate, most recently joining his relatives to celebrate its 90th year in the family last July.”
Why is this relevant? Because the longtime Democrat politician’s family has been fighting beach-loving hikers over a previously unenforced 1976 law that mandates the public be granted a three-meter right-of-way along every beach, including the beach that runs alongside Saint-Briac.
But for a right-of-way path to be built alongside the commune, the various homes’ property walls would need to be torn down, Kerry’s first cousin complained to AFP.
“The path will impact the well-being of residents by knocking down their walls and ruining their privacy,” he said, adding that he’s also concerned about “terrorist risks.”
Terrorists are known to take advantage of a lack of walls.
No sh*t. It’s always different when it affects a liberal personally. They don’t give a damn about anyone else.
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Nice try HH.
“Eight states lost population between July 1, 2016, and July 1, 2017. Illinois had the largest numeric decline, losing 33,703 people (this was a relatively small percentage change compared to its population of 12.8 million). Wyoming had the largest percentage decline (1.0 percent). Three states that had been losing population in the previous year, Pennsylvania, Connecticut and Vermont, saw slight increases.”
Got anymore “proof?”
Why does anyone with a rational mind think for one second that the illegal aliens that are here/coming here will suddenly start abiding by our laws if we give them ANY kind of reward for BREAKING OUR LAWS??? That's insane. The more you give them the more they will take.
They found in last year, I just read stats with the statistics. Was all in the way it the stats were shaped. Graphed showed why they folks were leaving. Not in general state populations. Got any proof my graph stats weren't true? So yer saying my stats were 2.3rds correct? Or most big manufacturing has not left State?
The easiest and cheapest method of border security is to shoot anyone caught crossing the border illegally. I can promise you if everyone that stepped foot across the border had to be concerned about a bullet between the lookers, illegal border crossing would soon be next to nothing. Since nobody has the stomach for that, the next best thing is a wall.
Stopping the flood of illegals is the single biggest issue facing our country today. The Americans who actually work and pay taxes can't afford to support unlimited numbers of illegals. Eventually the takers will out umber the producers and then you have a serious problem.
Or just mine it. After a few of them disintegrate they'll get the message that FINALLY we "ain't just a-sh*ttin" about our border!
That’ll work well.
Did BO’s gvt prosecute a Border Agent who returned fire in SD and some his rounds went cross border and one straffed a LBG ?
Mark do you not understand that it’s illegal? And who’s doing the shooting? Random guys? Illegal. Border guards? Illegal Military? Illegal.
And how do you discern who’s good or bad? Just shoot em all? Kids and women too? Elderly and infirmed?
Oh one last question. Do you call yourself a Christian? If so, stop it. You’re anything but Christ like.
PutZ...... you really are a maroon...... not even a thought process left, just a bundle of pre-programmed nerves and reactions..... when the Dr taps your knee you reflexively crap a brick..... a walking breathing NPC......
PutZ, I realize to your to damn stupid to see that was tongue in cheek from him, a sarcastic comment. ... you are an imbecile pure and simple ...
now, back to the facts and the truth .... WALLS WORK !!
Maybe an even easier fix is to do away with any sort of entitlement for any illegal person, do away with the income tax and replace with a federal usage tax. The incentive will be removed for those wanting to simply hang off the tit.
But the easiest fix is to never allow anyone who crosses the southern border illegally to vote.....EVER!
Democrats will immediately lose any "compassion" they ever had for illegals.
1. Eliminate anchor baby citizenship 2. No social benefits for illegals (school, welfare, housing, etc.) 3. Absolutely no path for citizenship for any illegal or their progeny. 4. Prosecute sanctuary city/state leaders for violations of federal law.
And enforce all the laws already on the books.
Simpletons like Putzie do not understand the meaning of "illegal".
Well..... you're just a big meenie that hates Jesus...... says the atheist.....
I saw that too, Anony!
PutZ says; "Mark do you not understand that it’s illegal? "
What a tool!
this is what the Dems dont want to hear, and what they dont want YOU to hear/know .... also why these democrat leaders and those within their party are pure scum ...
The White House on Friday released the border briefing President Trump tried to get Democratic leaders to see during a meeting earlier this week, saying the public should see the information behind the president’s case for why he wants a border wall.
The briefing, which was to be given by Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen, details increases in drug seizures, arrests of criminals and the surge of illegal immigrant children and families who the administration says are overwhelming agents.
But attendees said Democrats’ top leaders interrupted Ms. Nielsen and wouldn’t let her give the briefing.
some times a Dem lets the truth slip ...
and yet another cant deny what is fact .....
yep, the Dems hate America, at least 99.999999 % of them ;0)......