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Mike the Carpenter 08-Jan-19
Annony Mouse 08-Jan-19
Black hawk 08-Jan-19
HedgeHunter 08-Jan-19
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JTV 08-Jan-19
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JTV 08-Jan-19
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08-Jan-19
The Country needed to hear every word of that address.

From: Annony Mouse
08-Jan-19
The media lead in and post analysis was TDS. The Democrats and proREgressive left live in an alternate reality.

Wish Trump had continued his comments about Pelosi and the others who live behind their own personal barriers with a "Tear Down your wall, Nancy".

From: Black hawk
08-Jan-19
Yes they did and I hope they listened

08-Jan-19
Solid performance.

I wish he would have given an ultimatum, such as "I will give Congress 30 days and if there is not an agreement I will use my Constitution Powers to declare a National Emergency..." That would not have been presidential, but the political game here is getting very old.

Going to be interesting to see how it plays in the heartland.

From: HedgeHunter
08-Jan-19
Common American can inly come to the only conclusion.

Dems dont want wall that will keep their new voters coming in USA bringing gifts.

Manufacturewd Crisis.

Riiiight

HH~

From: Tonybear61
08-Jan-19
It will be a manufactured crisis until an illegal injures or kills a member of Democratic Leadership or a close family member. They blow it off because it hasn't happened to one of them. As the president said they all live behind walls of their own AND have armed security...Typical elitist crap.

From: HedgeHunter
08-Jan-19
That wont change a Socialists ideally.

They would love to dismantle our penal system!

Dont you know, all Felons are redeemable.

Ine only need to look at incarceration rates for capital murder in Westen Euroland!

A joke!

HH~

From: JTV
08-Jan-19
Trump did good, he knows what has to be done for the security of this country ..the dems continue to play games, political games .....

From: HA/KS
08-Jan-19
People keep focusing on possible future voting by current illegals, but the real game is members of congress. If they didn't get to count all of the illegals, CA would have 10 fewer seats in the House of Representatives.

How many other democrats are only in congress due to illegals counted in the census?

From: JTV
08-Jan-19
The Dems are on the wrong side of history again ...

From: BowSniper
08-Jan-19
I like the content, but thought could have presented those facts with more emotion and inflection. He got better near the end, though.

08-Jan-19
Henry for the win. A small percentage of US born and bred citizens vote. Illegals could care less even if they become citizens. The real danger in this is states like California having so much impact on national law making due to their population size.

From: JTV
08-Jan-19
California is a great example for what a state should never become with their laws and politics .....

From: JTV
08-Jan-19

JTV's Link
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/jan/8/newsom-seeks-add-illegal-immigrants-health-care/

From: Jim Moore
08-Jan-19
Kalifornia already has a national impact on laws. So goes Kali, so goes the nation....eventually. They have the 6th largest GDP in the world and their metro areas are populated by marxist filth that I hope Zeidan would be ashamed of. I thought Trump laid it out pretty good. I don’t see anything coming of it because capitulation on the socialists part would be a testament to Trumps success or successes. This same elected trash was espousing a border wall when their Leader BHO was in. now that it is Trump....no way. My parents were life long Democrat’s. I can only think they would be sickened on what that party has become.

From: Woods Walker
08-Jan-19
I fear that same kind of insanity will be coming to Illinois with the Democrat sh*tbag that just got elected Governor. A move may be in my future.

From: Nick Muche
08-Jan-19
Great speech

From: elkmtngear
08-Jan-19
Chuck and Nancy's rebuttal was a joke...deny, deny, deny...and let's keep kicking that can down the road!

From: Nick Muche
08-Jan-19
I couldn’t even listen to them TD.

From: stagetek
08-Jan-19
When he's scripted, reading from a teleprompter, he looks like a complete fool. When he 's on his own ranting and raving, he is one. No hope for this delusional, lying, crisis creating "fake president".

From: JTV
08-Jan-19
same here, my lap top would not have survived the gruesome twosome had I tried to stomach their lies

From: Woods Walker
08-Jan-19

Woods Walker's embedded Photo
Woods Walker's embedded Photo

From: stagetek
09-Jan-19
JTV, you wouldn't recognize a liar if it sat on your face. You voted for, and continue to support the biggest liar and crook to "ever" hold the office. Makes Nixon look honest. Thought at one time you had a clue...you don't !

From: JTV
09-Jan-19

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the only fool here is the swiss cheese head from Wisc. .. PutZ's new butt sniffer and fellow soy boy .... ... hows it feel to be so stupid and hateful of this country not to want to provide security to the citizens of America, how many more Americans must die because of the likes of you .... ... the PutZedians are so butthurt tonight ....

From: stagetek
09-Jan-19
Dumb talk from a dumb ass. As expected !

From: Woods Walker
09-Jan-19
Oh.....so Obama DIDN'T lie when he said if we liked our healthplan/doctor we could keep them? And when he said if you had a business that you didn't build it, someone else did it for you? Your memory's a tad selective, don't ya think? Or should I go on with the list? Believe me, it's L O N G......EIGHT FRIGGIN' YEARS LONG!!!!!!!!!!!

From: JTV
09-Jan-19

JTV's Link
well that is a very intelligent response ....NOT !! ... more like a child who's ass just got spanked ...

Because of ILLEGALS these people had their lives cut short, this is only a small number who died at the hands of illegals .....

http://fairus.org/issue/illegal-immigration/examples-serious-crimes-illegal-aliens

From: JTV
09-Jan-19

JTV's Link
these lives could have been saved if Congress had done its job ..

http://www.ojjpac.org/memorial.asp

From: stagetek
09-Jan-19
Another genius in denial speaks. Trump "is" the biggest liar ever. If his little round mouth is moving, and words are coming out...He's lying !! When Fox News starts to question things, maybe you guys need to question your "blind" loyalty.

From: stagetek
09-Jan-19
More dumb talk. Of course a wall would have prevented all of that...get a clue man.

From: TT-Pi
09-Jan-19
I think he Trumped 'em but good.

I wonder where they found two wooden puppets that look like those silly folks Schulosi and Pumer.

From: JTV
09-Jan-19
it is very unfortunate there are some with such strong cases of TDS their common sense has been lost ... some are in congress, some post here ... this is about security of this country and the rule of law, failure to realize that is lost within the hate of Trump...how many more lives must be lost at the hands of illegals... how many lives of illegals must be lost at the hands of human traffickers and coyotes ..... how many more with TDS must make fools of themselves ....

From: JTV
09-Jan-19

JTV's Link
once again ....

http://www.ojjpac.org/memorial.asp

From: Two Feathers
09-Jan-19
Mike the Carpenter X2

From: JTV
09-Jan-19
For those that didnt see it ..

From: JTV
09-Jan-19

JTV's Link
https://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/immigration/item/31144-dueling-border-speeches-trump-won-pelosi-and-schumer-lost

From: scentman
09-Jan-19
Dem's just put their fingers in their ears screaming lalalalalala lalalal I can't hear you... like a petulant 8 yr. old. Warped I say, Warped!

09-Jan-19

Mike the Carpenter's embedded Photo
Mike the Carpenter's embedded Photo

From: HedgeHunter
09-Jan-19
Most folks now are thinking "i was a Dem, I am not a socialist so what am I and where do I turn"?

DJT Baby

HH~

From: HDE
09-Jan-19
stagetek - who are you and where did you come from...?

From: Woods Walker
09-Jan-19
Who cares?

From: Mint
09-Jan-19
The American people want the flow of illegal aliens to stop. If the African American community ever woke up in numbers and realized the illegals are stealing their entry level jobs the Dems would be in big trouble. That's what the GOP needs to keep pushing.

The Dems still can't believe Pres Trump addressed the Nation and hasn't given up.

From: Tonybear61
09-Jan-19
The graphs used by the persons claiming the illegal immigrants are responsible for less crime than the US general population are probably inaccurate, bias or remain unconfirmed. Especially the fact they come from a known libertarian think tank.

If the records are not in Interpol or another countries data base shared with the US and we can't necessarily ID the person committing the crime (assuming they are even caught and charged), how can one even draw up such a graph? Granted about 1/2 of the people here illegally have overstated their visas but until their immigration issue court hearing date comes up (1-3 yrs) they can pretty much do whatever they want and their movements are not tracked. In the meantime, we hear plenty of stories such as the one the president shared last night. When you really think about it the rate is really irrelevant as we are looking at reducing all crimes, aren't we?? We need to take close look at the visa system (there are some strict requirements for getting one in the first place) and better processing those who overstay, AND if you come in without one.

Historically US residents have always worried about the new immigrants and the possibility of crime issues. The difference is law enforcement and Congress would team up from time to time to address it. Appears the current Democrat leadership doesn't care would rather argue about their facts vs his facts and partisan agenda.

By the way how many other people on this forum get asked during a job application or business entry point if you are a US citizen, have work visa or other paperwork stating you can work in this country?? As a consultant I see it all the time.

From: jjs
09-Jan-19
A person has to be blind, stupid or foolish in not seeing what illegal immigration has done, created a lower living standard of wages for building trades, processing/industry plants and government social programs. All illegal immigration amounts to is another form slavery for employers that hire them and customers that support it. If the Lord has a barrier that only a few can come through the gates.

From: Woods Walker
09-Jan-19
We have NO REAL IDEA of how many illegal invaders (and that's exactly what they are) are actually here, so any number the apologists pull out of their a&& is just that......made up crap.

It's real simple......if you broke the law to get here, then GET THE **** OUT! Even a Democrat should be able to understand that if you REWARD bad behavior then THAT'S WHAT YOU WILL CONTINUE TO GET!

From: South Farm
09-Jan-19
I'm glad he made this speech...BUT he needs to work on refining his delivery...he's falling into his predecessor's footsteps of relying on teleprompters, and I think that turns some people off to the point that they don't hear the real message.

Anyway, happy he went public with this and hopefully it'll resonate soon.

From: Annony Mouse
09-Jan-19

09-Jan-19
South Farm,

A lot of truth to what you said, but personally I can watch him read a teleprompter a lot more than I could Obama. Obama's smugness just always showed, at least to me. I took Trump as awkward, but sincere about the message. My bias probably showing thru, LOL!

From: Will
09-Jan-19
Nothing in the speech changed my mindset RE the wall. Buy the thing. What's 5B more on top of 22~ T and climbing in debt any way? (sarcasm alert sarcasm alert). If passing this thing gets "us" focused on infrustructure, and what not, Ill just consider it my contribution to people around the US drinking clean water, driving on safe roads, having safer ports of entry (where MOST drugs enter the country, for example), functioning national forests, etc etc.

That all said, the whole thing affirmed two things to me.

1.) The President absolutely blows at doing a formal, teleprompter style speech's. He goes into robot mode and as someone alluded above, it seems cold, disinterested and insecure. As he gets close to the end, you can see he gets looser and the "Campaign Rally Guy" starts to show and it improves - it's like he "lets the guard down" when he is sprinting for the finish. People always remember the feel of the end... So the finish is big.

2.) Sweet mother of God. The Dem's "Road Show" of Pelosi and Schumer could not have looked worse. How they didnt have a person telling them that their set up was epic - in it's ridiculousness - I do not understand. They may have said something good, I dont know. I was so focused on the Schumer scowl and Pelosi's "Wholly crap who just jumped out of that closet and scared me" expression that the message was lost. For people "used" to public speaking... Wow. Just WOW! If they want to get a legit message about a reasoned and sensible approach to consider with the President, they need to improve the delivery exponentially. Ugh.

I dont think anything changed. MSM "fact checks" show the same stuff one would assume in response, as do the RSM (Republican Stream Media). So in the end, it feels like a net "zero". If you like it, or love the idea, you woke up thinking "that was good/great and this is going to happen"... If you dont, you woke up thinking "Ugh".

Hard to admit he some how managed to come off better than Pelosi/Schumer, but their delivery was so bad, I think at least optically, he did.

From: HDE
09-Jan-19
"Who cares?"

Obviously a troll, just wanted the snot nose to pipe up.

From: Annony Mouse
09-Jan-19

From: Annony Mouse
09-Jan-19
Stilton's Place:

Okay, this isn't really what Donald Trump proposed in last night's 8-minute address to the nation about the need to fully and immediately fund security for our southern border, as well as the President's intent to continue the government shutdown as the only possible method of getting the Democrats to take part - however unwillingly - in our nation's defense.

The President spoke eloquently of the high costs of our current inadequate security. A flood of illegal drugs, weapons, and gang members bringing suffering and death to Americans, as well as devastating the job market for African-Americans and Hispanics, and costing taxpayers untold billions for support services for our uninvited guests.

But as frightening as the President's statistics were, they can't compare to the terror we experienced when our TV screen was suddenly filled with two soul-sucking faces that put the "butt" in rebuttal...

Schumer and Pelosi glowered into the unblinking camera and lied their shriveled rear ends off about what Trump had said only moments before. They characterized his statements as lies and hate, and claimed that Democrats are actually wildly enthusiastic about funding border security as long as Trump just ends the shutdown so the matter can be (ahem) "debated" separately until a bipartisan solution can be reached. Because the last 50 years or so of debate haven't quite been enough yet.

They claimed that Trump's wall - or any physical barrier - would be expensive and inefficient. Not terms we remember them bandying about in regards to other Democrat programs, let alone Obama's disastrous "shovel ready jobs" program which cost over 100 times what Trump is requesting for security measures. As a jobs program alone, this could be characterized as a success for Democrats if they'd just allow it to happen.

Interestingly, Schumer and Pelosi didn't bother to address how to stem the ongoing flood of illegals into our country, nor how to eliminate the direct threats to the lives and well-being of Americans. They stared into the camera like a nightmare version of the couple from Grant Wood's "American Gothic" painting, interested only in stoking fear and hatred.

Bottom line: the point-counterpoint speeches reaffirmed our belief that the wall needs to be built, and that a continuing government shutdown is the only way to get Democrats to do remotely the right thing.

Steady on, Mr. President.

Meanwhile, from IOTW Report comes the Chuck and Nancy Meme:

From: scentman
09-Jan-19
The dems compared to Trump are JV.

From: JTV
09-Jan-19

JTV's Link
http://www.theamericanmirror.com/pelosi-schumer-deliver-rebuttal-in-building-protected-by-wall/

From: JTV
09-Jan-19
over the past two years, approximately 4,000 criminal aliens have been arrested for homicide, 30,000 for sex crimes, over a 100,000 for violent assaults. These are against American citizens.

In 2018 alone, 17,000 individuals with criminal records were apprehended trying to cross this border, 60,000 inadmissible or illegal immigrants are turned away from our borders every single month. And over the last few weeks 20,000 children were smuggled or trafficked into the United States. Illegal drugs are also pouring across the southern border.

every seven days, 300 Americans die from a heroin overdose. 90 percent of that highly toxic and addictive chemical comes south of the border. Given all these facts, why not give our border patrol the tools they are asking for, that they need, that they desperately call for -- and that is a strategic wall on our southern border.

all those against border security/wall/ barrier they once voted for it, Clinton, Boxer, Fienstein, Pelosi, Schumer, Binden and Obama among other dems ... the only thing that has changed is that Trump is now in office.... the Dems now care more about party politics and only their party and stopping Trump at all costs, even of it means more lives of American citizens are taken by Illegals ... the Dems just dont care .... (all the above came from Govt websites or Foxnews)

From: BowSniper
09-Jan-19
Did anyone else notice the strange breathing/sniffing thing Trump had going during the speech? Did he have a cold?

From: gadan
09-Jan-19
Great speech! To the point and on point. For the most part, he's preaching to the choir but it had to be said to expose the Dem, lifeless, obstructionists pandering to their radical base. Most Americans don't want to see the free flow of criminals flowing over the border they see now.

From: Trax
09-Jan-19
The little twin girl ghosts from The Shining is exactly what I thought of when I saw the smiling Possum and stuttering Nance for the attempt at rebuttal. What a couple of vile parasites!

The individual examples were good to illustrate but I do wish President Trump had spent a little more time talking about the overall numbers. HW had some numbers in another thread from the LA Times that showed clearly how bad the invasion is and illustrated the big picture of what the costs are. I also wish he would have singled out the stinking liberals in Congress for doing nothing but playing politics, put the focus on those America haters and what they are costing this country and we the people. Maybe that's next.

From: Tiger eye
09-Jan-19
Gadan. I did. It was a bit distracting but is message was on point. As soon as I saw those other nitwits, they reminded me of those circus panel cutouts. Were you put you head on the painted body of another character.

From: JTV
09-Jan-19

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From: JTV
09-Jan-19

JTV's Link
https://www.foxnews.com/us/families-of-americans-killed-by-illegal-immigrants-take-odds-with-schumer-and-pelosis-words-that-trump-is-manufacturing-a-crisis-to-get-border-wall

From: NvaGvUp
09-Jan-19
Oh, my word!

Even the uber-left WashPo thinks Trump made a great case and blew the two phony Dems away!

"Opinions | Trump won the night. Schumer and Pelosi lost.

President Trump did something Tuesday night that he has rarely done since taking office: He used the presidential bully pulpit to reach beyond his hardcore base of supporters to make his case to the American people as a whole.

Speaking from the Oval Office for the first time during his presidency, Trump embraced our country’s tradition as a nation of immigrants, declaring “America proudly welcomes millions of lawful immigrants who enrich our society and contribute to our nation.”

He then offered a cogent explanation why he believes we face what he called “a humanitarian crisis — a crisis of the heart and a crisis of the soul” along our southern border.

He pointed out the human cost of our broken system to illegal migrants themselves, expressing compassion for the “children [who] are used as human pawns by vicious coyotes and ruthless gangs” and the “women [who] are sexually assaulted on the dangerous trek up through Mexico.”

He shared heartbreaking stories of Americans killed by criminal aliens who had no right to be here — including a police officer in California who was murdered, a 16-year-old girl who was brutally stabbed in Maryland, and an Air Force veteran who was raped and beaten to death.

“I’ve held the hands of the weeping mothers and embraced the grief-stricken fathers,” Trump declared. “I will never forget the pain in their eyes, the tremble in their voices, or the sadness gripping their souls.”

And he laid out his solution, which he explained was “developed by law enforcement professionals and border agents” and includes funds for cutting-edge technology, more border agents, more immigration judges, more bed space and medical support — and $5.7 billion for a “physical barrier” that he called “just common sense.” Without naming her, Trump responded to the absurd charge from House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) that a wall is “immoral.”

"Democrats voted repeatedly for physical barriers until he was elected president, he noted."

" If a wall is immoral," Trump asked, “why do wealthy politicians build walls, fences and gates around their homes?

They don’t build walls because they hate the people on the outside, but because they love the people on the inside.” emphasis mine.

OUCH!!!!

The president did not unilaterally declare a national emergency. Instead, he called for compromise and said, “To those who refuse to compromise in the name of border security, I would ask: imagine if it was your child, your husband, or your wife, whose life was so cruelly shattered and totally broken?”

He was, in short, presidential.

Democrats insisted on equal time, which is highly unusual for presidential addresses other than the State of the Union. It was a mistake. In contrast to Trump, Pelosi and Senate Minority Leader Charles E. Schumer (N.Y.) came across as small and intransigent.

While Trump spoke calmly and rationally from behind the Resolute Desk, the Democratic leaders accused him of “pounding the table” and having a “temper tantrum.”

While Trump told human stories, they complained about process. They accused him of arguing that the women and children at the border were “a security threat” when he had just explained to the American people that they were victims, too.

They charged him with using the “backdrop of the Oval Office to manufacture a crisis, stoke fear and divert attention from the turmoil in his administration.” They were partisan and petty, while Trump came across as reasonable and even compassionate. To normal Americans watching in the heartland, and who are not steeped in Trump hatred, the president must have seemed like the adult in the room.

And, most important, Pelosi and Schumer failed to use the one word that millions of Americans were longing to hear — compromise.

But Trump did.

That is why the president won the night. Schumer and Pelosi appealed to their base, while Trump made an effective appeal to persuadable Americans.

Until now, Trump has owned the 18-day government shutdown that prompted this address, because he’s the one who started it. But if Democrats continue to attack him, and won’t entertain any compromise, soon the shutdown will be all theirs — because they’re the ones who have refused to end it."

From: Ghengis
09-Jan-19

From: TT-Pi
09-Jan-19
Will , you described the awful speech -making of both sides very well. It isn't pretty, especially after years of slick talkers, past. Even Lil'Bush "mangled" but was charming.

But I think "we the folks" can get past that. and look at the words and ideas presented by each. We have an American issue with people waltzing into our land and taking our stuff. All the other good and bad too aside. We all get that. But you're saying his calling it out from the Oval office to all Americans has no effect? You may be right about those of us who pay regular attention but for the bulk of folks, it is a moment that puts the issue in their lap ... right on the couch that they sit on nightly. It is now in their homes. Many don't watch the news. Now they have it laid out.

"it feels like a net "zero". If you like it, or love the idea, you woke up thinking "that was good/great and this is going to happen"... If you don't, you woke up thinking "Ugh".

If the undecided were not paying attention before ... they are now and President Trump clearly took the Win On points. They just bitched. When folks get past the terrible deliveries they are left with two impressions of the issue. One had reasons and facts ( maybe not perfect ones but sounds reasonable) . The others just Bitched and attacked his character and mental state. He was way out in front of the pitch. That will add to the public support. It will work in His favor.

This week and next He will "ground and pound" the points into magic dust, then blow it over the other side for them to gag on. ( don't worry its only toxic to insanity )

From: JTV
09-Jan-19
Yup, the libs/dems/#neverTrumpers are still so butthurt over the fact Trump layed out a great case for the wall/barrier/border security and the fact he slapped the hell out of Pelosi and Schumer .. he made those two look like the fools they are, just as much so as those with TDS do to themselves on here .....

From: Annony Mouse
09-Jan-19
The real problem the Democrats had was that their "response" was pre-recorded without any comments on what the President actually said. All they had was their ususal TDS tripe which they has echoed since Trump was elected.

NANCY--TEAR DOWN YOUR WALL! You botoxed senile hypocrite...

From: NvaGvUp
09-Jan-19
So, according to a couple of the clueless and hateful leftist a-holes here, building a wall/barrier that ICE wants is somehow immoral and would be ineffective.

Yet that same proposal was awesome when Obama, Pelosi and Chuckie advocated FOR it.

I swear, you can't make this stuff up!

From: Fivers
09-Jan-19
To those that say "What difference does it make if the people were killed by an illegal or legal? The emotions should be that same as them dying by the hands of legals." This is a load of crap that Geraldo tried to dump off on Hannity the other night. Use this as an analogy, you have a few friends over to your house and a guest walks out of a bathroom near the top of a stairway, which startles you and you fall down the stairs and die. Everyone there knows that it was a complete freak accident and still feels horrible about the tragic accident. Compare that with, you come home from work, run upstairs to change out of your work clothes, walk to the bathroom and an intruder jumps out at you and you fall down the same stairway and die while the intruder runs off never to be seen again. Do you think there is a difference in these deaths?

One other thing to question, how many of our missing children do you think are trafficked through the holes in our southern border? Do you think a barrier and secure border would aid in preventing that?

From: BowSniper
09-Jan-19
When there is an occasional shooting death from among 100,000,000 legal gun owners, the Dems lose their shot. Ohhhhhh, if we could only save one life.

But when a million illegals jump the border every year, and there is the occasional murder, rape, dui killing.... the Dems cry 'fear mongering' because it's just a few bad apples among so many generally good people.

Such political tripe.

From: elkmtngear
09-Jan-19
Schumer vs Schumer...LOL ! :

From: Fivers
09-Jan-19
So, lets just say that the illegal border crossings are down, nobody knows for sure because they are all undocumented, but just for fun we'll go with it, lets say that they are down 50% from 10 years ago. Is that really alright then? No reason to try to stop it completely, just because it is lower now?? So if you wake up in the morning to 3 intruders in your house, holding your daughter at knife point, it would be fine with you, because last week there were 6 intruders in your house?? Even after all that, I'm guessing that you wouldn't want to lock your doors at night...right? You know, because that would be too cruel to have the intruders have to be somewhere other than your house! It's really no big deal anyway, since there are less of them going into your house now than there was before...you would hate to try to stop them completely, since only a couple that enter your home want to kill you, your wife or children!

From: NvaGvUp
09-Jan-19
Someone breaks into my house in the middle of the night, they will meet their maker and then get to meet the devil.

And the State of Nevada will back me up 100%.

Occupational hazard!

From: Fivers
09-Jan-19
Nva-

According to the libs, they have a right to be in your house...it's cruel to keep them out...we're all human beings and have rights!!

From: JTV
09-Jan-19

JTV's Link
the socialist bimbo AOC really makes a fool out of herself ... what the fudge ??

https://conservativefiringline.com/video-democrat-socialist-ocasio-cortez-says-those-crossing-border-illegally-more-american-than-u-s-citizens/

From: Will
09-Jan-19
Pi, those are awesome points. The short answer is that, no, I'm not convinced the Presidents speech changed much of anything for anyone. The president has been so polarizing from the start, and the massive quantity of good-bad-indifferent information regarding him, and his policies or administration from all potential angles in folks lives leaves minimal wiggle room for, it seems, a heck of a lot of folks. The concepts make sense. We have a lot of illegal entry to our country over that border, and that absolutely has a huge impact on how our nation operates which needs to be addressed. A wall certainly creates a hindrance to illegal entry. Does is slow asylum seekers? Most asylum seekers try to go via border crossings vs wall/border hopping it seems. Does it reduce terrorism? I guess that depends on how one defines it. I've seen reports from good sources (AP for example) citing state department (the CURRENT one) are more concerned with terrorists entering via Canada, or simply entering via normal, legal, entry points (air ports, ships etc) vs hoping the Mexican border.

The wall does not block where most heroine/fentanyl/drugs etc come through - which are LEGAL ports of entry be they literally checkpoints on the southern border or via our seaward ports. So, we can build a wall which may or may not work to slow the tide of illegal entrants but we are going to sure need to figure out strategies that actually target the areas where most of the damage happens.

I do not know if the Presidents talk really shifted the minds of people in middleville on the issue. I know it changed nothing among the polarized factions on the left and right, and I am very confident the lightening rod the President has been does little to help him on this "sale".

I also know we, as a nation, have a legit issue with illegal entry and that things need to be done to stop it. I just am not convinced that spending 5B + over the long term, when a "trade deal" still unapproved, is going to cover it, while we sail past 22T in debt, and other options could work to stem some of the biggest issues he tried to present last night.

As I said on the other thread though, I've been worn down, by the dang thing, and lets get on with doing great things for this country that have NOT been done in 20-30 + years in terms of fixing the infrastructure, further securing all ports of entry and the "grid", and doing positive environmentalism so that all of our kids can have amazing places to be outdoors, but people can still run very successful businesses. If building the wall lets those sorts of things occur, go buy the concrete. Ill help pay come April.

09-Jan-19
Why is it suddenly an emergency? Why wasn’t it an emergency when he had both the House and the Senate?

Is there a sudden surge of undocumented immigrants crossing the border? No! In fact the numbers have been reduced significantly.

So why is it so urgent right now at this very moment?

From: JTV
09-Jan-19
why isnt PutZ gone, he said he'd leave, he promised he'd leave, why isnt PutZ gone like he promised .....

From: BowSniper
09-Jan-19

BowSniper's embedded Photo
BowSniper's embedded Photo
YFP -where do you get that info? CNN, MSNBC ?? Who is doing your thinking for you?

Look it up on the border patrol website, apprehensions FY2019. The last two months published (Oct and Nov 2018) are near record high arrests over 60,000 a month and higher than any time in the prior 23 months.

So no.... not "reduced significantly". Liar.

From: JTV
09-Jan-19
https://www.foxnews.com/us/families-of-americans-killed-by-illegal-immigrants-take-odds-with-schumer-and-pelosis-words-that-trump-is-manufacturing-a-crisis-to-get-border-wall

From: JTV
09-Jan-19
once again for the daft among us ... like the PutZedians

over the past two years, approximately 4,000 criminal aliens have been arrested for homicide, 30,000 for sex crimes, over a 100,000 for violent assaults. These are against American citizens. In 2018 alone, 17,000 individuals with criminal records were apprehended trying to cross this border, 60,000 inadmissible or illegal immigrants are turned away from our borders every single month. And over the last few weeks 20,000 children were smuggled or trafficked into the United States. Illegal drugs are also pouring across the southern border.

every seven days, 300 Americans die from a heroin overdose. 90 percent of that highly toxic and addictive chemical comes south of the border. Given all these facts, why not give our border patrol the tools they are asking for, that they need, that they desperately call for -- and that is a strategic wall on our southern border.

all those against border security/wall/ barrier they once voted for it, Clinton, Boxer, Fienstein, Pelosi, Schumer, Binden and Obama among other dems ... the only thing that has changed is that Trump is now in office.... the Dems now care more about party politics and only their party and stopping Trump at all costs, even of it means more lives of American citizens are taken by Illegals ... the Dems just dont care .... (all the above came from Govt websites or Foxnews)

From: JTV
09-Jan-19

JTV's Link
https://www.wnd.com/2019/01/trump-it-will-be-steel-barrier-not-concrete-wall/

From: Annony Mouse
09-Jan-19
Medical emergency: the illegal population is bringing diseases here that we have not had in this country for years. Illegal immigration is also a health issue.

From: HedgeHunter
09-Jan-19
Was funny listening to the Dems try to use fact checker stats today only to have the almost every lib fact checker got blasted as Fake News.

The MS Terd BC were all looking like they lost there minds when the real facts go thrown in their faces. So, just made up some fake news.

From: Tonybear61
09-Jan-19
...every seven days, 300 Americans die from a heroin overdose. 90 percent of that highly toxic and addictive chemical comes south of the border, 1 in 3 women are raped, sexually assaulted, many , many criminals coming across the border-all of which VERIFYED from various sources . Dems have nothing to stand on this time around.

From: HDE
09-Jan-19
It's an emergency now because of the dimwitted stupidity of the democrats running the House..

From: Grey Ghost
09-Jan-19
I was listening to NPR (it was one of the few stations I could get) on my way to hunt pheasants this morning. They interviewed a former Coast Guard Commandant regarding border security and drugs.

He said Trump was being disingenuous to claim the wall would significantly reduce the flow of drugs into our country. He pointed to the fact that most of the drugs that make it across our land border do so in vehicles thru legal ports of entry, not by people sneaking it across on foot. Furthermore, he said the amount of drugs that come across our land border pales in comparison to the amount that comes by way of boats in the Gulf and up both coastlines.

Finally, he expressed disgust with the federal government over the fact that the Coast Guard is one of the departments that is affected by this shutdown. They are expected to still work, but they don't know when they will get paid next. He said the average Coast Guard member's salary is less than poverty level, so most of them live paycheck to paycheck. He was concerned that the already understaffed Coast Guard would start losing personnel, thereby contributing to even more drugs entering our country. He was clearly pissed about that.

Matt

From: Annony Mouse
09-Jan-19

Annony Mouse's Link
From link:

"...

In the last two years, [Immigration and Customs Enforcement] officers made 266,000 arrests of aliens with criminal records – including those charged or convicted of 100,000 assaults, 30,000 sex crimes and 4,000 violent killings. Over the years, thousands of Americans have been brutally killed by those who illegally entered our country, and thousands more lives will be lost if we don’t act right now. [Emphasis added]

In the last year alone, ICE agents arrested more than 6,600 convicted murderers and convicted sex offenders who were in the United States illegally.

Of that total, 4,975 of the illegal aliens arrested were convicted sex offenders. The other 1,641 illegal aliens had been convicted of homicide. Another 1,913 illegal aliens that were arrested by ICE had pending sex offense charges against them, while 387 illegal aliens had pending murder charges against them.

For each one of these crimes, there are at least one or more American and legal immigrant victims.

Trump also touched on the country’s vast drug epidemic that has crippled regions of the U.S., the vast majority of which has been the direct result of an open border:

Our southern border is a pipeline for vast quantities of illegal drugs – including meth, heroin, cocaine and fentanyl. Every week, 300 of our citizens are killed by heroin alone – 90 percent of which floods across from our southern border. More Americans will die from drugs this year than were killed in the entire Vietnam War. [Emphasis added]

Indeed, drug overdoses in 2017 killed an unprecedented 72,287 U.S. residents, nearly three times the number of individuals killed by global terrorism. Nearly 50,000 of those deadly overdoses were caused by either heroin or fentanyl..."

From: Annony Mouse
09-Jan-19
C-BS fact checks Trump...dislikes its results, deletes same.

From AOS:

CBS "Fact-Check" Finds That Trump's Claim About Women Migrants Being Raped Wasn't Exaggerated But Was Understated, But Then Deletes Its Own Fact-Check as Insufficiently Helpful to the Cause —Ace of Spades

Trust your betters.

CBS decided to help Democrats by fact-checking in real time President Trump's address on the need for a wall.

CBS reported, "Fact check: Number of women sexually assaulted on trip to border.

"CLAIM: The president claimed one in three women have been sexually assaulted traveling to the border.

"FACT CHECK: Between 60 percent and 80 percent of female migrants traveling through Mexico are raped along the way, Amnesty International estimates."

But then they deleted that.

From: JTV
09-Jan-19

JTV's Link
Truth always hurts the Dems ....

https://www.theepochtimes.com/thousands-of-suspected-terrorists-try-to-enter-america-each-year_2761769.html

09-Jan-19
Everyone is not going to be happy with Trump. I'm sure the Coast Guard guy understands that. But, the shutdown has happened due to no fault of Trump. It is due to an incompetent Republican House and Senate at first glance. But, more importantly, it is due to those in Congress and the Senate that simply are being rewarded to ensure we don't have the wall.

Ice agents seem to want it. No one denies the drugs are coming through in many ways. The wall addresses illegal immigration more then any drug. So, think how much better we could concentrate on border crossing areas when we have control of the unprotected spots. More agents at these known crossing areas, better screening, more funds to spend on the coastal issue of where the drugs are coming from, etc.... This wall is a win-win anyway it is spun. Yet, the people that supported it no longer do. Politics at play.

It is so easy and convenient for some people to fog the topic with reasons why we are here as a country. And, it isn't this one or, any other presidents fault due to policy. Some seem to forget that when they get a wad in their panty's over this president. While chanting checks and balances. The check and balance people are OUR problem. And, not the saving grace claimed by some people.

From: slade
09-Jan-19
""Border authorities are referring 50 people a day for urgent medical care, including tuberculosis, flu and even pregnant women about to give birth, a top official said Monday, saying it’s unlike anything they’ve ever seen before.""

Oh boy they we are getting more of their best and brightest............

From: slade
09-Jan-19

slade's Link
Content warning...........

From: HedgeHunter
09-Jan-19
There goes GG Quoting an open Socialist Anti Common sense National Politiburo Radio again.

Let me tell ya Pard. Did Recon for JTF6 or maybe 5 for Southcom in 1990.

What do you think we were put in for extended duration long range reconnaissance for? Dope Humpers at night in infil lanes of AZ. Bidness was good.

Right after 9/11 was way done in central Texas. We were hunting on A Ranger buds Ranch. Not to close off either. We were out before sun up in ground blinds in brush.

In the Grey or Gray early morning light i catch movement on a trail in front of me.

Its a pointman with a 12ga, behind him a platoon of dope humpers followed by rear security Bandit with an AR.

Admiral Squidly may be correct, lots dope come in the packed trucking and shipping routes and POE’s

Theres a sh!t ton that gets packed in on foot.

Just like CG guy to be on NPR claiming hes a ground expert.

HH~

From: slade
09-Jan-19
"" Meanwhile, 25 other states have reported measel outbreaks, with numbers climbing particularly high in Oregon and Washington.

Though the details of the Oregon and Washington cases have not been released as publicly, the Washington outbreak was traced to an unvaccinated child who had traveled to the state from another country. ""

From: BowSniper
09-Jan-19
Having a lot of drugs come in by seas DOES NOT mean a lot of drugs don't also come in by land. Or that a massive wall would not stop the drugs coming in by and land and thus save at least SOME American lives. Ya know, for people who care about that kind of stuff. I wish these dummies who said NO look at all the drugs coming in by sea then proposed a plan to stop drugs coming in by sea. Rather than just sophomoric misdirection.

The Dems were saying that Trump was fear mongering. Yeah, like the Dems started with the whole "Coast Guards isn't getting a paycheck". Let me know when the Coast Guard actually doesn't get their checks mailed. Foreboding hysteria aside...

From: TT-Pi
09-Jan-19
YFP. Maybe it's not "all of a sudden" an emergency. It has been an emergency ignored for decades. Why hasn't it been done long before seems to be the fair question?

Everything gets put off till its done. Seldom do we fix things immediately but we should when possible. He is going down the "Money-do list" darn fast. This is next and he is getting on it. Why not before? don't know. Maybe an attempt at healthcare reform was in the way. Then judge appointments, some ISIS stuff, Talking shop with world leaders, Undoing the red tape all over the place, defending his political life against the attack ... dunno, maybe he was busy.

Will, thanks for the thoughtful reply. Lotta words there. We shall see if he had an effect, on those sleepy folks ... keep your eye on the trusty polls. I agree let's get it done and move on.

Call Schalosi and Pumer a Doctor... they look a little sick.

From: Grey Ghost
09-Jan-19
As I ponder this most recent governing debacle, I keep going back to the $46B bipartisan bill that passed the Senate by a wide margin in 2013. It would have provided $8B for more border fencing and $30B for more security agents. The red team labeled it a "amnesty bill" because it provided a quicker path to citizenship for illegals who were already here, and they shot it down in the House.

And why was that? I can only conclude it was political. The Rs thought the bill would add to the D's base. And now the Ds are reciprocating. Sad.

Matt

From: TD
10-Jan-19
Huh..... that sounds a lot like the bill Reagan actually signed that PROMISED money for a wall and border security in exchange for amnesty. They took their amnesty..... and then reneged on border security. Stabbed him in the back and broke off the blade....such fine people....

THUS all the new bills that have been squeezed out of our countries greatest orifice since then.... people said fine..... lets seal the border.... THEN we talk about some fast track to citizenship or something.... suddenly they back out and say no deal..... wonder why.....

People forget history and how they were lied to and bent over before. Yes sir may I have another...

NO talk about ANY kind of amnesty or path thereof..... until border is sealed. FIRST. Fool me once.... shame on you.... fool me twice.... You'd have to be a total idiot to even consider it.

From: K Cummings
10-Jan-19
You’re right TD. It’s the same tactic Pelosi and Schumer are attempting now.

Just reopen the government and we can negotiate a deal.

Yeah, right.

KPC

10-Jan-19
Bingo. It is basically a stalemate. Our president, the first in a long time, holding firm to not only a promise but, the intent to do the right thing regardless of how bad our congress doesn’t want it done. This isn’t a Democrat Verdi’s republican thing. It’s a congress versus America thing. Because plenty on both sides are holding firm to see this fall through. If not, it would have gotten passed last year when the R’s has control.

The question must be pondered. How does a 174,000 dollar a year salary lead an otherwise asset poor Senator, to a life of $25 million dollar rich? Investments in markets won’t do it. Real estate won’t in today’s world. So, how do our elected senators get so filthy rich on a $174,000 a year salary? Therein lies a clue as to the problems facing the American people on the wall. And all the other unsolved “hard” problems we face.

From: BowSniper
10-Jan-19
As the heat turns up, both parties will be equally to blame because it takes approval from both parties in both houses to jointly pass funding legislature. Any time they want, the two sides can come together and pass a funding bill. And as long as neither side gives an inch, the shutdown will continue and they are BOTH to blame. But each continues thinking the other side looks worse.

The President also has input, where he says he wants the annual budget to include 5b dedicated for a wall. Or he has the right to Veto the legislation, and now you need 67 Senators to agree on something to override him. I don't see how that is likely.

I wish Trump had this fight earlier and demanded the whole 25b for a complete wall. The 5b doesn't solve the problem. It just shows who is willing to side with illegals over Americans.

10-Jan-19
Yep

From: Annony Mouse
10-Jan-19

From: Annony Mouse
10-Jan-19

From: Annony Mouse
10-Jan-19
Wow – Border Patrol Officer Shares Scale of International Influx into U.S. Southern Border…

Straight from the epicenter of the issue, the U.S. Border Patrol outlines a single day of captured illegal aliens from countries other than Central America and Mexico.

Just yesterday alone over 113 illegal entry apprehensions from Pakistan, India, China, Ecuador, Romania, Nicaragua and more. This CBP data is just from one border state in one day. WATCH:

From: DoorKnob
10-Jan-19
show me the html that allowed that clickable link

From: JTV
11-Jan-19
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2019/01/10/wow-border-patrol-officer-shares-scale-of-international-influx-into-u-s-southern-border/

From: slade
11-Jan-19

From: TD
11-Jan-19
That can't be..... I have PutZ's pinky swear most all are coming in from Canada...... you mean to tell me he's not being honest?

From: Annony Mouse
11-Jan-19
From: BowSniper
11-Jan-19
Who is that guy in the tan coat with Trump... is that "Wolverine" ?!?

From: JTV
11-Jan-19
the runner up ........ well, one of 'em .... ;0) ..... glad they are playing nice together ...

the Dems have lost the border battle, they can either save face and come to the table and work out a bill, or Trump will grind them under the heel of his shoe ... heck, he'll do that anyways ....

From: TD
11-Jan-19
Ted's beard game is strong.....

From: JTV
11-Jan-19
not only was Hannity on the border yesterday with the POTUS, something Pelosi and Schumer never did, he had the Angel Parents on his show tonight, those who's loved ones were killed by illegals and/or were released by the sanctuary cities laws ..... watch this whole thing, see how THEY feel about Pelosi and Schumer refusing to ok the monies to help secure the border with a barrier/wall .... watch this and try telling yourself Pelosi and Schumer are right .....

From: HA/KS
12-Jan-19
Love that agent in the video with trump!

No doubt of his respect for the president - both the office and the man who currently occupies it.

From: BIGHORN
12-Jan-19
If someone breaks into my house while I am there they WILL meet their maker says my S&W .44 magnum. I tried to get my Liberal sister to listen to the President's speech but she refused and started bitching about Trump lying all the time. So, I did the only thing I could do, I blocked her from ever calling me again.

From: Annony Mouse
12-Jan-19

Nancy...tear down YOUR wall!!

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