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There is zero evidence of vaccine causing it. There is ample evidence that vaccines have saved the lives of millions.
Scientific willful ignorance frustrates me. Scientific discussion based on research is good.
Unfortunately, many are unable to discriminate between astronomy and astrology in discussions of this type.
Add in the number of people who have been saved via OTHER people getting vaccinated. Know a cancer patient? Know a diabetic? Know a person with an organ transplant or auto immune disorder like Rheumatoid Arthritis? If you do, the fact that they are alive is solidly helped by OTHER people vaccinating.
Heck, I'd be more inclined to say we should pay for the wall if part of the 5.7B was going to fund mandatory Vax for EVERY person entering - that would likely save lives of many of those folks, and AMERICAN lives like those noted above.
Normally Meme's suck, but I saw a great one on this. It basically said if you dont want vax's, then please dont take that insulin/epi pen/antibiotic/ibuprofen/asprin/chemo/anticoagulant etc etc etc.
As meme's are designed, it overstates something and misses all of the nuance vital to understand big subjects... But the whack in the forehead is a good one.
Which one is the real one? I always get confused...
Phil - BS in astronomy, 1988.
And, I agree 100% with you. A lot of conspiracy theories are harmless but this one, if followed, harms/kills the children affected and has general public health implications (if diseases that were eradicated here get a foothold because of unimunized kids - see measles, whooping cough as examples).
I agree with HfW - there is no satisfactory consensus for me. That stated, commonsense tells us no pharmaceutical is 100%. There are always side effects (often serious). So, while I believe vaccines have saved countless lives, it would not surprise me if they damaged a relatively small minority of kids.
If someone is nervous of the dosing volume, they can always ask the provider to spread the shots out and do them over a slightly longer period of time - not needed, but if it makes someone feel better it's doable.
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by sattkisson on January 19, 2019 in News Leave a comment In the U.S., vaccines have reduced or eliminated many infectious diseases that once routinely killed or harmed many infants, children, and adults. Image from: Public Health Image Library
The following is a commentary written by:Alison Fujito
Some people are unable to see any perspective other than their own.
It’s already disturbing when they insist, over and over, that opposing facts don’t exist, as though repetition can make unpleasant truths disappear. But when they resort to misdirection, deliberate pejoratives, and outright lies, there is more going on than just myopia.
This past week, in response to Sharyl Attkisson’s op-ed two days prior, vaccine developer Dr. Peter Hotez wrote an op-ed piece in The Hill, claiming “there is no debate” in a manner eerily reminiscent of “the Party is always right” from George Orwell’s 1984.
The entire basis of Attkisson’s piece was the recent affidavit of Dr. Andrew Zimmerman, one of the country’s top pediatric neurologists, who served as the US government’s expert witness defending vaccines in the so-called “Vaccine Court.” In a stunning about-face, he testified that vaccines can cause autism in children with pre-existing mitochondrial dysfunction, and that he had communicated this to DOJ lawyers in 2007.
Other neurologists have observed the same link. Zimmerman himself claims that there was a cover-up. Yet, Hotez never directly addressed Zimmerman’s affidavit, or mentioned mitochondrial dysfunction or its relationship to autism and vaccines.
Instead, he repeated his version of “the Party is always right,” trotted out links to vaccine industry “astroturf” blogs, and presented irrelevant and flawed studies (this one actually gave the same vaccine/thimerosal dosage to both cases and controls, while this one was shown to be in error, and this one is debunked here ), none of which address the possibility of mitochondrial dysfunction.
As a scientist, Hotez should know that there’s no such thing as a “study showing there’s no link” to anything. A study may fail to show a link, but that doesn’t mean there’s no link. Surely we learned this from the tobacco industry’s “studies.”
Yet that’s exactly what Hotez did, claiming “clinical studies with over one million children enrolled, showing there’s no link between vaccines and autism,” [bolding mine] linking only a single, severely-flawed meta-analysis (with no children enrolled) of older studies that looked at either one ingredient (thimerosal) or one vaccine (MMR)
The conclusion of that meta-analysis is based in part on studies rejected by the Institute of Medicine as too flawed to be considered for their 2012 report on the vaccines/autism link. Regardless, none of those studies considered the possibility of mitochondrial dysfunction.
Despite Hotez’s reference to “at least 99 autism genes,” no specific genes are known to cause autism. In fact, the study he linked does not identify genes that cause autism, but merely notes some frequency of some de novo variants among some individuals with autism.
Dr. Hotez seems to forget that correlation does not equal causation.
He seems also to forget — or ignore — the fact that it has never been assessed whether vaccines, like some medications, may actually play a role in triggering genetic mutation. In fact, the package insert for every vaccine on the market clearly states“____ [this vaccine] has not been assessed for carcinogenicity, mutagenicity, or impairment of fertility,” or similar wording.
Hotez presents his book Vaccines Did Not Cause Rachel’s Autism as though the experience of one child can somehow refute reported experiences of thousands of others — children he never examined, whose medical records he never obtained, but whose parents he labels as “anti-vaccine.”
The use of pejoratives is disappointing even when wielded by preteens. Thank heavens the Toyota and Ford companies didn’t call their critics “anti-accelerator” when their cars had problems, sometimes fatal, with stuck accelerators; after a period of insisting there wasn’t a problem (and blaming the drivers), they issued recalls. They didn’t resort to name-calling.
But Hotez frequently does, even on Twitter. It’s shockingly bad behavior for a scientist to label parents for wanting to discuss their own children’s potential susceptibilities, or even for refusing vaccines.
The right to decline an unwanted medical intervention, free from coercion, is, in fact, codified in Article 6 (Consent) of UNESCO’s 2005 Universal Declaration on Bioethics and Human Rights:
Any preventive, diagnostic and therapeutic medical intervention is only to be carried out with the prior, free and informed consent of the person concerned, based on adequate information. The consent should, where appropriate, be express and may be withdrawn by the person concerned at any time and for any reason without disadvantage or prejudice. (bolding mine)
Please note section 3 of the same Article, which protects us all from the Orwellian principles Hotez seems to be espousing:
In no case should a collective community agreement or the consent of a community leader or other authority substitute for an individual’s informed consent.
We should all be troubled by scientists, doctors, or any industry insider so enraged by our reluctance to buy what they’re selling, they try to censor all conversation that disagrees with their sales pitch.
That’s not science, it’s not good medicine, and it’s deceptive."
(MANY good links cited within the text.)
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There is more correlation between the increased use of birth control pills and the increase in autism than between autism and any form of vaccination.
There is more correlation between the increase of single parent households and autism than between any form of vaccination and autism.
The debate should continue, but unless it is based on actual science, it is only harming people.
From CDC: Congenital Rubella Syndrome (CRS)
Congenital rubella syndrome (CRS) is a condition that occurs in a developing baby in the womb whose mother is infected with the rubella virus. Pregnant women who contract rubella are at risk for miscarriage or stillbirth, and their developing babies are at risk for severe birth defects with devastating, lifelong consequences. CRS can affect almost everything in the developing baby’s body.
The most common birth defects from CRS can include: •Deafness •Cataracts •Heart defects •Intellectual disabilities •Liver and spleen damage •Low birth weight •Skin rash at birth
Less common complications from CRS can include: •Glaucoma •Brain damage [ um can you say Autism, Parkinson's or similar brain issues??] •Thyroid and other hormone problems •Inflammation of the lungs
Although specific symptoms can be treated, there is no cure for CRS. Since there is no cure, it is important for women to get vaccinated before they get pregnant.
Supposedly the disease was knocked out in the USA about 2004. Current cases are from un-vaccinated people who travel and/or bring it into the US from elsewhere..
Yet I still have to argue with folks who have this weird fear of vaccination, mostly the new generation in their late 20s early 30s. Reasoning they can't grasp the millions of lives they have saved...because they haven't lived though it. I have friends who were polio victims who lived, some classmates in grade school who did not.
Just in case I have another kid, I'm going to drink a table spoon of roundup daily and aim for only foreign produce to minimize autism risk... (clearly, being hyper sarcastic and kidding).
I've heard the mourns of the parents who wept over their child's corpse who'd just died from a vaccine preventable death. I've done CPR on these kids in the ER more than once. It is maddening.
It had been a decade or so since it happened and no bad effects yet. I guess he was pretty scared at the time about soaking in that stuff but no one had an answer as to what might happen if anything.
There is much to be learned about this but it might be the beginning of prevention of this terrible disease with a childhood vaccination.
Hilarious (in a horrible sort of way)!
By the way Mom is almost 95, saw her family survive the Great Depression, WWII, assassination of a president, the Cold war and now we have fight to stop Socialism, again. In her words, the politicians today have no common sense.
The media recently reported that Los Angeles County’s ongoing typhus epidemic had infected Deputy City Attorney Liz Greenwood.
"Who gets typhus? It's a medieval disease that's caused by trash,” she wondered.
Greenwood is partially correct. The typhus outbreak, like the hepatitis outbreak, was directly caused by social justice policies that legalized public vagrancy, and leaving trash and human waste on sidewalks. The piles of trash, human waste and people combine to create horrifying diseased conditions. Before Greenwood, many Los Angeles patients who had been diagnosed with typhus were indeed homeless.
"There are rats in City Hall and City Hall East," she complained. "There are enormous rats and their tails are as long as their bodies."
The rats are a problem, but the fleas that carry the disease that Greenwood has can live on a variety of animals, including stray cats and possums. That’s why the typhus outbreak isn’t just happening in Skid Row, but has spread to Long Beach and Pasadena. And while the homeless encampments act as incubators for the disease, it’s not the only social justice policy spreading disease across America.
Or at least in California and Texas.
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"In the United States, that anti-vaccine resurgence has been amplified by actors Jim Carrey and Jenny McCarthy -- who said they believed vaccines could have contributed to McCarthy's son's autism -- and high-profile celebrities such as then-real estate mogul and reality TV star, Donald Trump.
In 2012, Trump, weighed in on vaccines on Twitter, saying: "Massive combined inoculations to small children is the cause for big increase in autism...."
IFL is not the most hardcore of scientific lit sites, it's definitely a pop science site, though often has neat info. This may not be the end all be all of the current Measles outbreak, but it's interesting to consider. https://www.iflscience.com/health-and-medicine/measles-outbreak-traced-to-father-who-admits-not-vaccinating-kids-due-to-autism-concerns/