onX Maps
Barr the Door, New AG Cometh
Community
Contributors to this thread:
Woods Walker 16-Jan-19
bigswivle 16-Jan-19
Shuteye 16-Jan-19
Your fav poster 16-Jan-19
Your fav poster 16-Jan-19
gflight 16-Jan-19
Will 16-Jan-19
Grey Ghost 16-Jan-19
KSflatlander 16-Jan-19
Your fav poster 16-Jan-19
Your fav poster 16-Jan-19
NvaGvUp 16-Jan-19
IdyllwildArcher 16-Jan-19
NvaGvUp 16-Jan-19
Grey Ghost 16-Jan-19
HA/KS 16-Jan-19
Michael 16-Jan-19
Grey Ghost 16-Jan-19
Your fav poster 16-Jan-19
pipe 16-Jan-19
Annony Mouse 16-Jan-19
gflight 16-Jan-19
Will 17-Jan-19
gflight 18-Jan-19
Tonybear61 18-Jan-19
Your fav poster 18-Jan-19
TT-Pi 18-Jan-19
gflight 18-Jan-19
Your fav poster 18-Jan-19
Annony Mouse 18-Jan-19
TGbow 19-Jan-19
TGbow 19-Jan-19
From: Woods Walker
16-Jan-19
Trump had an AG before Barr??? That's odd, I never noticed that we had one since his election. You're kidding, right spike? I thought the position had been eliminated because nothing ever happened with it.

From: bigswivle
16-Jan-19
He’s impressive. Hopefully bring some accountability back to that spot and wrap up all these dumb a$$ investigations that are costing tax payer money

From: Shuteye
16-Jan-19
He will be approved pretty quickly.

16-Jan-19
Barr: “if asked to fire Bob under orders from the president, I will resign before I do that”

Barr: “sessions was absolutely correct in refusing himself”

Barr: “I’ve known Bob Mueller and his family for over 30 years and there is no diligent and honorable a man as Bob. I will vigorously defend the investigation to its completion”

I’ve heard enough. I’m good!

16-Jan-19
Let Justice be done no matter who or what.

16-Jan-19
Amen Paul!

From: gflight
16-Jan-19
"What will PutZ be saying when Barr starts going after Clinton, Rosenstein, McCabe, Lisa PAge and the rest of the scum of the Obama administration ....."

That's funny no matter who you are. Gun Grabbin' Barr going after a democrat lol...

From: Will
16-Jan-19
Imagine for a second, Muller comes out with a laundry list of bad juju from the Trump camp including the President. Iron clad, legit, ZERO BS stuff. I fully recognize that this sounds like baloney, but I some times wonder. How would folks who fully love all that is Trump handle it if the new AG, fully supports and prosecutes him should that be the necessary direction.

AGAIN, THIS IS HYPOTHETICAL, AT THIS POINT, NONE OF US REALLY KNOW ANYTHING OTHER THAN WHAT THE MEDIA WE LIKE HAS TOLD US.

Reading this, it just got me thinking about that possibility. I have no clue what will be found by the SP, but if it was iron clad, illegal, bad deeds... And prosecuted by the new AG, are we all ok or is this going to literally lead to riots?

I'm being serious, not trying to be a jack wagon or poo starter. Most likely there are some things found that may not relate to the initial charge and can be explained "away" and we all move on. But what if it's full on tinfoil hat hyper lefty porno and rock solid? Impossible to explain away. How do you all think "we" as a country respond?

From: Grey Ghost
16-Jan-19
Will,

You may not be old enough to remember, but there were Nixon supporters who denied he did anything wrong years after he resigned in disgrace. I can imagine the same thing happening in your hypothetical scenario.

Matt

From: KSflatlander
16-Jan-19
That is a scary thought Will. The POTUS in collusion with another nation. I really don't want to think that it is possible. We just need to wait to see what the investigation comes up with. Nobody other than Mueller really knows what might have happened.

How should we react? It is iron clad proof then as Americans we should be thankful that the system worked.

16-Jan-19
It seems like a few of us agree that justice shall be doled out for ALL

Jeffrey we have yet to see you say that about trump. You’re fixated on Clinton, Obama, holder, etc.

Will you hold trump to that same standard.

And GG is exactly correct. Nixon has supporters right up until he walked his resignation. And even then there were people that thought he was railroaded. I suspect we’ll see the same here.

16-Jan-19
Paul,

Just like you will always see Clinton as having done nothing wrong wheras most of us do, but government decided not to prosecute.

16-Jan-19
Despite numerous GOP led investigations? Despite hours of testifying where any Congressman could’ve had a ‘gotcha’ moment and caught Clinton in a lie?

How can it be that after all those investigations led by confrontational Republicans (hellbent on finding wrongdoing) find absolutely nothing? Are they all deep state? All in the ‘Clinton cabal’?

Say what you want but if a family that was investigated for decades and nothing was found, I’d say they were pretty clean.

Otherwise how do you explain it?

16-Jan-19
Politics.

From: NvaGvUp
16-Jan-19
Hey, Putz!

"Barr: “sessions was absolutely correct in refusing himself”"

How does a person go about "refusing himself"?

16-Jan-19
Kyle, that's when your better logic tells you something is true, but you refuse to believe it. ;)

From: NvaGvUp
16-Jan-19
Ike,

You mean like Paul Zeidan and the Truth?

From: Grey Ghost
16-Jan-19
"HfW..... Politics, Power and Money ...... that is how the Clinton Crime Cartel has went above the law for so long"

So, if Trump is ultimately exonerated, will you praise the same 'deep state" system that allowed the Clintons to walk free?

Matt

From: HA/KS
16-Jan-19
The reaction from trump supporters might depend on how many of the America hating crime-cartel leftists from the clinton and obama administrations were in jail.

From: Michael
16-Jan-19
Will, I would like to think Congress would need to Impeach Trump and convict first before our soon to be AG could press charges.

That is if Mueller does find wrong doing on Trumps part.

From: Grey Ghost
16-Jan-19
JTV,

Thanks, that's what I thought.

Matt

16-Jan-19

From: pipe
16-Jan-19
"Let Justice be done no matter who or what"... That's fair of course... Maybe same screws with same enthusiasm can be put to the Clinton(s) in same way..."no matter who or what"... pipe

From: Annony Mouse
16-Jan-19
Walls Are Closing in on the FBI—and Its Media Accomplices

Those of us who have closely followed the unfolding scandal at the Justice Department— particularly how the FBI abused its power not only to spy on the Trump presidential campaign but also on the president himself—have been frustrated with the inaction both of the White House and Congress. Documents have not been declassified as promised; letters by top lawmakers have gone unanswered with no consequence; and not one perpetrator in the biggest political scandal in history has been held accountable.

The New York Times over the weekend confirmed the worst suspicions: Andrew McCabe, a disgraced FBI official caught lying to federal investigators and fired by Trump, and his corrupt lackeys opened up a criminal and counterintelligence probe into President Trump on the flimsiest of evidence in May 2017.

Further, statements from William Barr, Trump’s nominee for attorney general, seem to indicate he would be deferential to Special Counsel Robert Mueller rather than focus on the real scandal. It was unclear whether a change in leadership at the Justice Department and on the Senate Judiciary Committee (Lindsey Graham took the reins from Charles Grassley this year) would restart stalled congressional inquiries.

A Clean-Up Pledge But Barr’s confirmation hearing on Tuesday assuaged those concerns.

Republican senators expressed outrage that the FBI had investigated a sitting U.S. president, and Barr seemed to share their disgust. Graham brought up the Times article and asked Barr to “promise me and this committee to look into this and tell us whether or not a counterintelligence investigation was opened up by somebody at the FBI, Department of Justice against President Trump?” Barr confirmed he would. Graham read aloud derogatory texts, some including profanity, about Trump between FBI officials Peter Strzok and Lisa Page.

Barr admitted he was “shocked” when he first saw the texts. Graham then walked through a litany of offenses at the Justice Department and FBI, including the FISA warrant on Carter Page and Fusion GPS’s ties to Justice official Bruce Ohr and his wife, Nellie, who also worked with dossier author Christopher Steele.

“We are relying on you to clean this place up,” Graham told Barr.

Grassley, the former chairman of the committee, went on a bit of a tirade about unanswered requests he sent to the Justice Department last year. One letter, sent October 17, asked for more information about an FBI agent who had accepted free tickets to a sporting event from a television news reporter who regularly covered the agency, violating FBI rules. The agent, since retired from the FBI, also wasn’t truthful when questioned by federal officials.

“Do you understand if you’re confirmed that you have an obligation to ensure the Justice Department responds to Congressional inquiries and to do it in a timely manner?” Grassley asked. Barr agreed.

Shoring Up Oversight—And a Bombshell Letter House and Senate Republicans have been frustrated with stonewalling by Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein, who has thwarted their demands for testimony and materials related to the FISAgate scandal. (Or should we now call it FBIgate?) Reps. James Jordan (R-Ohio) and Mark Meadows (R-N.C.) have been harsh critics of Rosenstein; they moved to impeach him last year.

Jordan again recently requested that Rosenstein appear before the House Oversight Committee and respond to reports he offered to wear a wire to record President Trump. Rosenstein also advised Trump last September not to declassify key documents—including the FISA application on Carter Page and correspondence between top law enforcement officials, including ex-FBI Director James Comey—the president had pledged to release per Congress’s request.

But it appears that Barr will be more forthcoming than Rosenstein and act quickly to find out exactly what went down in the Justice Department in 2016 and 2017. Some of his underlings are one step ahead of him: Andrew McCabe is already under criminal investigation by the U.S. attorney in Washington, D.C. A grand jury apparently is looking into illegal leaks by McCabe to reporters in 2016 and lying about it to federal officials.

McCabe isn’t the only one in serious legal jeopardy.

As Barr was testifying Tuesday afternoon, Jordan and Meadows released their own bombshell letter about James Baker, the former FBI general counsel whose partial testimony was leaked to the Times for its January 11 article. Under questioning by lawmakers last October, Baker’s attorney disclosed that his client was being investigated by the U.S. Attorney in Connecticut.

“During the course of our investigation we interviewed [Baker] and discovered your office is investigating him for unauthorized disclosures to the media,” they wrote to U.S. Attorney John Durham. (Baker and FBI lawyer/McCabe confidant Lisa Page both resigned on the same day last year.)

The letter mentions two reporters—David Corn of Mother Jones and Franklin Foer, a writer for The Atlantic who worked for Slate during the 2016 presidential campaign. Both reporters posted explosive stories on October 31, 2016 about Trump’s alleged ties to Russia. Corn’s article is mostly about the dossier and clearly sourced by Christopher Steele, but his piece also references Foer’s article alleging unusual activity between a Trump organization email server and Alpha Bank, the largest private bank in Russia. The Alpha Bank connection was one more cog in the manufactured Trump-Russia collusion plot that could also be traced back to Fusion GPS chief Glenn Simpson.

Hillary Clinton cited the article in a tweet one week before Election Day, demanding that “it’s time for Trump to answer serious questions about his ties to Russia.”

It’s unclear whether Baker was the source for one or both of those articles, but his lawyer refused to allow Baker to “answer the questions about whether he had conversations with reporters.”

The Real Scandal Barr has his work cut out for him, and no time to waste. His inspector general now is working on a report about FISA abuse at the agency related to the 2016 election; the new attorney general should also disclose to the public the numerous FBI agents who improperly received gifts from reporters. (We want names.) Not one law enforcement or intelligence official has been identified or charged with illegally leaking classified information on Michael Flynn or Carter Page: Those disclosures are felonies.

As I wrote Monday, the Trump-Russia collusion peddlers are in the throes of death spasms after the Times article, desperate to keep their charade alive. But that manufactured scandal is in its final stages while the real scandal looks like it will finally get the attention by the nation’s top lawyer that it deserves.

To borrow a well-worn line of the so-called #Resistance, “the walls are closing in.”

From: gflight
16-Jan-19
A soldier would have been hemmed up for what Hillary did.

I don't see any evidence why Trump would even want to collude with Russia.

Heck, Obama colluded with Putin on tape and nothing happened.

From: Will
17-Jan-19
Thanks guys. I couldnt remember which thread I'd put this question on... So just finally back to it.

To be blunt, the concept of tit for tat is a zero burger for me. If there is something with the Clinton's... prosecute. Have at it. Ditto President Obama. Ditto President Trump.

I do find myself a bit concerned with the reaction we could see either way. I can envision big marches and stuff if he's cleared, as Left folks get all upset and frustrated. Personally, the best way to disapprove of a politician is to vote em out, so my suggestion to them would be accept it, take that energy to get out the vote, and put someone new in the office.

I could see the right going in a similar way.

But I worry about small extreme factions of either ideology being complete jerks and going over the top.

17-Jan-19
HAHAHAHAHA oh man you just can't write better material.

Its being reported Trump was startled as he watched Bill Barr describe his warm relationship with Robert Mueller, bristling at his glowing remarks and telling people he didn’t realize how much their work overlapped.

According to reports, Trump was particularly miffed at the following quotes from Barr.

he did not believe Mueller was leading a witch hunt;

he would not be bullied by the president;

he would not fire Mueller without good cause, and it would be “unimaginable” that that would happen;

he favored transparency with regard to the special counsel report and would be in favor of releasing as much of it as allowed by law.

Trump is nothing short of incompetent and clueless. He gets everything he deserves.

From: gflight
18-Jan-19
YFP, Trump appointed this guy to make a deal with Mueller to find nothing in the investigation and Trump's going to go Democrat, look at the s*** he's been doing lately. Remember he is playing checkers while they are playing chess.......

From: Tonybear61
18-Jan-19
Hopefully Baker, Comey, Struck, Page, and eventually Hillary will be up on charges if the AG does his job. A lot of bad juju in that lot.

If Trump or any of his staffers are guilty of a crime should also be investigated, prosecuted as applicable. That is how a fair system works. Not the one we have now.

18-Jan-19
Like trump asking Cohen to lie to Congress?

New report says Mueller now has recordings from Cohen that shows trump instructed Cohen to lie to Congress about the Russian building plan in Moscow. You know, the plan where trump wanted to build a hotel in Moscow and in exchange for Putin’s permission he’d give him a penthouse in the building.

Yeah. This is not good.

From: TT-Pi
18-Jan-19
Allen Dershowitz said something to the effect: What Mueller finds/conjures is from a prosecutorial disposition, it is not expected to be fair and balance simply because the nature of Muller's position is not intended to be a defense or explanation of events. That is yet to come.

By law, the accused will have time to rebut each accusation or the right to have those reviewed. Mueller is not the judge and jury. Whatever is said will be put in context by rebuttal, If needed.

From: gflight
18-Jan-19
Why would he instruct him to lie about a building deal that has nothing to do with politics but business? That dog don't hunt......

18-Jan-19
Why instruct him to lie about a building deal? 1) it’s against he law for a person campaigning for president to create a profit making business deals w foreign nations. You can see why right?

2) trump was in the process of making a 200million dollar deal for a hotel in Moscow. In making that deal he needed expressed permission from Putin. Did he need loans from Russian banks? We don’t know yet. BUT if he did, guess who would have to approve that. Putin.

If Putin did this for trump is it almost certainly blackmail material because Putin knows the laws that trump has broken or hidden from.

What did Putin want in exchange for trumps loans/ permission to build?

If it was all innocent and “just business” , why lie about it?

From: Annony Mouse
18-Jan-19
Why Mueller Won’t Produce an Impeachment Report

AT: This past week offered some signs that Robert Mueller is finally winding down his cover-up operation with no findings of high crimes or misdemeanors against the president. Considering the damage the political hacks in Obama’s law enforcement and intelligence agencies have inflicted on the nation, let’s consider the reasons we can hope so and where this sorry saga goes from here.

Last Wednesday, Rod Rosenstein announced that as soon as newly appointed attorney general William Barr takes over the reins at DOJ, he will exit stage left. Knowing what we do about Rosenstein’s defense of the Spygate conspirators, his willingness to wear a wire to record Trump, and his refusal to cooperate with investigating congressional committees, we can surmise that he’s not anxious to explain his actions to the un-recused incoming A.G.

On Friday, the New York Times published a Deep State-sourced article that was headlined as a bombshell implication that Trump was a Russian agent but was really just a thinly veiled apologia for Comey & Company’s illicit political surveillance. The report was widely scorned by conservative media as justifying the FBI’s attempted coup because Trump was insufficiently committed to a new Cold War with Russia.

Then came Jonathan Karl’s Sunday revelation on This Week with (Clinton flack) George Stephanopoulos in which Karl quoted sources “interacting with the special counsel” who caution that Mueller’s report will be “anti-climatic.” This can be interpreted as a leak that Mueller will stop short of attempting to frame Trump for collusion or obstruction.

It shouldn’t be surprising that Mueller won’t “produce” a report that the Democrats and NeverTrumps can use to impeach Trump. Determining whether Trump colluded or obstructed, which was always absurd on its face, was never the purpose of this special counsel. Mueller was brought in by Rosenstein to put the new administration on the defensive and prevent Trump from uncovering the depth and the breadth of the wrongdoing by the Obama administration and Hillary Clinton. In that effort, he has largely succeeded.

No one is investigating whether the DNC was in fact hacked or if its emails were leaked internally. The hundreds of millions collected by Clinton foundations from foreign interests while Hillary was secretary of state, and presumed 45th president, is just water under the bridge. Whether Joseph Mifsud, Henry Greenberg, Felix Sader, and others were working for CIA head John Brennan and interacted with the Trump campaign peddling Russia-related pretexts may never be known. These and a hundred other Spygate questions appear destined to go unanswered. more here

From: TGbow
19-Jan-19
I haven't heard any of the conservative talking heads on the radio bringing up the fact that Barr is for gun control....maybe they have and I missed it.

If a Leftist Democrat was pushing the nomination of a gun control AG we would hear about it and rightfully so. I find it ironic that the so called conservatives in the media are not making much noise about this.

From: TGbow
19-Jan-19
Barr stated he was for semi auto ban.

  • Sitka Gear