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From: HA/KS
20-Jan-19

HA/KS's Link
"Shameful: High School Boys Who Attended March For Life Taunt Native American And Vietnam Veteran"

From: HA/KS
20-Jan-19

HA/KS's Link
"Student Provides Video, Says Classmate Did Not Mock Native American Vietnam Veteran"

From: PECO
20-Jan-19
Each and every person who stood by and watched, and did nothing, is the problem.

From: Michael
20-Jan-19
What’s a shame is after evidence comes out showing the boys didn’t do anything wrong. Certain media outlets still want to push the wrong story.

From: Annony Mouse
20-Jan-19
Where's Putzie touting the media's sensational "story"...he usually is the first one to promote the latest fake news/rumor.

Journalism is dead.

From: JTV
20-Jan-19

JTV's Link
The FNM/MSM jumped on the Buzzfeed/Cohn lie, as did Put and was then made fools of .... the same happened here, the FNM/MSM jumped in head first and hit bottom and came up bleeding ...

https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/01/nathan-phillips-lied-the-media-bought-it/

From: JTV
20-Jan-19

JTV's Link
It seems this Philips guy is "professional agitator", kinda similar to Putz being just an agitator and a liar ....

https://bigleaguepolitics.com/exclusive-native-man-who-harassed-catholic-teens-linked-to-big-money-left-wing-activism/

ShareTweet Nathan Phillips, the Native American man at the center of the controversy involving Covington Catholic High School students who were unfairly smeared by the media, is raising money with the help of a major big-money left-wing operation, and has a history of appearing in the press claiming to be a victim of anti-Native racism.

“[Phillips] is a Vietnam Veteran and former director of the Native Youth Alliance,” according to Heavy.

The Native Youth Alliance appears to be a standalone entity. However, the larger well-funded Native Youth Leadership Alliance — which told us that it is not associated with Phillips — is currently promoting Phillips’ fundraising campaign stemming from the incident with the Catholic teens.

The Native Youth Leadership Alliance (NYLA) is a non-profit organization that is funded by the same far-left power players who are often involved in bankrolling leftist causes. The organization’s funding partners include the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, the Rockefeller Brothers Fund, and the Social Justice Fund Northwest.

Trending: Video Evidence Shows Lying Media Falsely Slimed Teenagers for Interaction with Native American Man at March for Life

The homepage for the NYLA is promoting Phillips’ fundraising campaign.

The point is this: Phillips is not simply a random Native man who was accosted by “racist” MAGA-hat wearing teens, as the mainstream press has reported. He is connected to leftist activists who donate large sums to leftist causes. And now, he is personally fundraising off the mainstream press’ misdeeds.

Given that the full, unedited video of the interaction between Phillips and the students shows that Phillips clearly approached the students, and given that he is connected to left-wing social justice causes, one could conclude that he targeted the teenagers for their support of President Donald J. Trump. Yet the mainstream press narrative is exactly the opposite – that the boys targeted Phillips.

From: JTV
20-Jan-19

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Another Fake News Hit Debunked: Apologies Begin to Roll In For Catholic Boys Accosted by Leftist Native American Agitator Nathan Phillips

https://amp.dailycaller.com/2019/01/20/covington-catholic-school-protestors-apologies

From: JTV
20-Jan-19

JTV's Link
https://www.redstate.com/jenvanlaar/2019/01/20/catholic-hs-student-says-outright-lies-formed-media-disinformation-campaign/

From: JTV
20-Jan-19

JTV's Link
even more to debunk the lies of the left/FNM/MSM ....

https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2019/01/20/more-media-lies-looks-like-theres-a-whole-lot-more-to-story-about-catholic-students-harassing-native-american-protester/

From: BIG BEAR
21-Jan-19

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I’m sure that everyone there contributed in their own way to the problems there. That’s the trouble with “peaceful assembly “ in my opinion...... groups of angry people gather just looking for confrontation...... Then the Police end up getting tasked with keeping the peace and end up often times getting rocks and bottles thrown at them by peaceful protesters.....

From: HA/KS
21-Jan-19
BB, the school owes the students an apology. Students should press charges against phillips and the school for defamation.

From: BIG BEAR
21-Jan-19
Maybe Henry..... but that would be a civil matter.... Not a criminal one ......

From: HA/KS
21-Jan-19
I think it is criminal that they guy can do so much to ruin the lives of a group of kids who were not doing anything to him.

From: HA/KS
21-Jan-19

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"Native Activist Who Harassed Catholic Teens Identified As Actor From 2012 Skrillex Video About Attacking Police"

From: JTV
21-Jan-19

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Antifa is now involved with this stupidity ...... facts dont mean squat to these idiots ... the full video shows the teens were tormented and ridiculed by the activists and exonerates the narrative of the left and the activists, but because these teens are Catholics and church goers, they are brutalized and scorned ..... facts and the truth mean NOTHING to the PutZedians ...

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/01/indiana-kentucky-indian-movement-and-antifa-plan-tuesday-protest-at-covington-catholic-school-over-far-left-fake-news-scandal/

From: JTV
21-Jan-19

JTV's Link
The PutZedian Media knew it was a lie, but lies never stop them from going with a story... even when fully debunked ...

https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/01/nathan-phillips-lied-the-media-bought-it/

From: HA/KS
21-Jan-19

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A search shows 23 hits about how the students were harassing the poor "Native American" before it shows one link to what actually happened.

From: BIG BEAR
21-Jan-19
No doubt the guy is a crap stirrer Henry. But I don’t like peaceful protests...... and my kid will never be allowed to go to one as long as they live in my house. I don’t see them having value,, And often times end up in confrontations with people of opposing views. Then after the Police sort it out and sometimes make a few arrests.... both sides point the finger at each other.......

From: HA/KS
21-Jan-19
BB, the police also have to come in and take care of a situation after a person uses the 2nd in self-defense. Each side tells a different story.

Are you saying that we shouldn't exercise a right if it inconveniences the police? (I know that wasn't your intent)

From: BIG BEAR
21-Jan-19
No not at all...... I just don’t see a lot of good coming from marches/assemblies....... Like I said. No kid of mine is going to one. But to each his own.

From: slade
21-Jan-19

From: BIG BEAR
21-Jan-19
Looks like a real productive way to spend an afternoon........ not.

From: JTV
21-Jan-19
The teens didnt go there to protest, they were coming back from a church function when they were "accosted" ...

https://neonnettle.com/news/6266-native-american-drummer-told-almost-identical-story-4-years-ago

From: BIG BEAR
21-Jan-19
They were there to protest abortion...... at a march for life.... according to Henry’s first post. Fine....... But expect trouble at any and all political gatherings...... on both sides. My kids won’t be going to any on either side of any issue. When they are adults living on their own they can do whatever they want.

From: JTV
21-Jan-19

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damn, you cant fix stupid with these liberal idiots ... smh ...

https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/alyssa-milano-the-red-maga-hat-is-the-new-white-hood

From: HA/KS
21-Jan-19
BB, without Tea Party rallies and marches, we would be full-blown socialist by now.

From: JTV
21-Jan-19

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the hate from the left is strong with this whole charade of theirs....

https://www.newswars.com/verified-leftist-calls-for-maga-kids-to-be-fired-on-school-burned-down/

From: BIG BEAR
21-Jan-19
That’s fine Henry....... Yet a political rally or march is highly likely to attract counter protesters and often times peaceful protests become less than peaceful. It’s not something I would let my teenage high schooler partake in,,, On either side of any issue. When they are adults out of my house..... they can do what they please.......

When these things go sideways both sides are left pointing their fingers at each other...... for what ??? Did either side accomplish anything or change anyone’s minds ??

From: HA/KS
21-Jan-19
BB, I respect and appreciate you, but we will have to disagree on this one. Some things are worth standing up for - even in a large group, in public, with an unpopular cause.

From: JTV
21-Jan-19

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https://pjmedia.com/trending/lawyer-for-covington-catholic-hs-families-threatens-lawsuits-against-media-unless-they-retract-false-stories/

From: HA/KS
21-Jan-19

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Interesting if true.

From: slade
21-Jan-19

From: Rhody
21-Jan-19
The math is correct. I'm 64 and know very well. 1972 would have been my draft year. I was still in high school but turned 18 in December, thus graduated in 1973. My draft number for 1972 was No. 3, thus, I was deterred to the draft lottery for 1973..... which was the last year of the draft and my number came up IIRC 293 or there abouts. what was clear is that, only the first 3 numbers drawn in the lottery were drafted.

well, the ol' indian has inserted hisself into the political mix. His life is now going to get the anal exam.......

From: JTV
21-Jan-19

JTV's Link
https://bigleaguepolitics.com/native-activist-who-harassed-catholic-teens-identified-as-actor-from-2012-skrillex-video-about-attacking-police/

From: JTV
21-Jan-19

JTV's Link
PutZ knows something about TDS ...

Journo-Terrorism: Democrat Media Complex Promoted Endangerment of Catholic Children Because of Trump Derangement Syndrome

https://www.naturalnews.com/2019-01-21-journo-terrorism-democrat-aligned-media-promoted-the-endangerment-of-catholic-children-because-of-mindless-trump-hate.html

From: BIG BEAR
22-Jan-19
Maybe post original thoughts from you Jeff..... You post so many links that I don’t open any of them anymore.

No doubt that guy is a crap stirrer. The altercation started with the group of black kids confronting the Catholic kids. Were the Catholic kids there with parents ??

Here’s just a tip for one of the kids......... Doing the tomahawk chop at a Cleveland Indians game is appropriate....... doing it in the face of a real indian...... maybe not so much..... even if the guy turns out to be a douche.....

22-Jan-19
That is a great way to avoid factual information.

From: BIG BEAR
22-Jan-19
Good one Spike..... “factual information “...... from your right wing websites.........ha !!!!

At least provide your own thoughts and ideas along with links......

From: JTV
22-Jan-19

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as opposed to Fake News outlets that started this crap against the teens ... smh ....

my links are always pertinent and many are to discredit the lies and falsehoods put forth by the PutZedians or to bring information to the forefront ... same as Annony's are .... many walk around in a daze, not knowing what is actually happening or going on or what the real facts are ... others ignore what is going on or deny what that truth is .... those are the PutZedians ... kinda like with Russia gate, there is so much now known about the Fisa's, the fake dossier and the soft coup on Trump, and everything that Ive presented has now been shown to be true ... some still deny those facts ...

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/jan/21/nathan-phillips-vietnam-veteran-status-question/

22-Jan-19
BB, I often don't want to muddy up a thread by giving the elites a chance to attack me instead of talking about the information I present so I wont comment. If people were more interested in the topic at hand instead of character assignation I would add more personal thoughts in, but thanks for noticing.

From: Grey Ghost
22-Jan-19
I'm with you BB, I don't click on any links that JTV, Annony, Spike, or others provide without any original thoughts or comments included. It's just a lazy way to communicate, IMO. Worse yet are the lengthy copy and paste posts.

Matt

From: JTV
22-Jan-19
Life is a bitch, aint it GG, always such a negative Nancy aint ya .... smh .. .... no wonder you are walking around in a heavy fog and cant see whats out there .... you ignore these as they show just how blind and ignorant you've been or still are .........stupid is as stupid does for you deniers ....

From: JTV
22-Jan-19

JTV's Link
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/jan/21/nathan-phillips-vietnam-veteran-status-question/

Native American activist Nathan Phillips faces questions about reports that he’s a veteran of the Vietnam war.

According to multiple news accounts, the activist is 64 years old, which means he would have been 18 years old in 1973, the last year any U.S. combat units were stationed in Vietnam. Mr. Phillips also claims to be a Marine veteran, although the last Marine combat units left Vietnam in 1971.

A careful reading of Mr. Phillips‘ own descriptions does not make clear if he ever set foot in Vietnam. Instead, he has used much more careful language claiming he is a “Vietnam times veteran,” an ambiguous phrasing that led many media accounts to conclude he was a combat veteran.

Mr. Phillips could not be reached for comment Monday.

Nick Sandmann, who was in Washington, D.C. over the weekend as part of the March for Life, is the student caught on video wearing a “Make America Great Again” hat and facing Mr. Phillips. The encounter was virally framed as Nick “confronting” Mr. Phillips, although video from multiple sources and angles shows it was Mr. Phillips who initiated the contact and bewildered Nick.

From: BIG BEAR
22-Jan-19
^^^ Debbie downer calling someone Negative Nancy......

From: HA/KS
22-Jan-19

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This is funny.

From: JTV
22-Jan-19
why BB, because I happen to point out the truth about what went on and who the radicals are .... you are right there next to GG walking with a flashlight in that fog, the only thing is, you forgot to put in the batteries ...

From: JTV
22-Jan-19

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even though he has led all on to believe he was, and the various media outlets fell for it ... Stolen Valor comes to mind ..... kinda like the dem congress man, Blumenthal ..

https://bigleaguepolitics.com/wapo-correction-nathan-phillips-not-a-vietnam-vet/

From: Grey Ghost
22-Jan-19
"Life is a bitch, aint it GG..."

Not at all. My life is great, unlike yours, apparently. After all, who spends the balance of their days searching for links that fit their political narrative in order to copy and paste them to a bowhunting forum? That's a special kind of loser in my book.

Matt

From: JTV
22-Jan-19
I spend a very small time on the computer, very small, I just know where to look to find all the info that shows what I say and believe is true and to refute the stupid crap idiots like you and PutZ tend to post ..... that fog around you is very thick.... very very think ... or could it be, you just have your head up your dupa ... meh, which ever ....

From: BIG BEAR
23-Jan-19
What’s the truth about what went on there Jeff ?? I don’t think I contested the fact that the Indian guy is a political pot stirrer...........

You said the teens didn’t go there to protest. That’s not the truth Jeff. You are wrong. They WERE there to PROTEST ABORTION............ Teen aged high schoolers were at a Political rally unsupervised...... A rally that is almost certainly going to be met with resistance.....

Would any of you here send your kid to a Political rally unsupervised... that is certain to be met with resistance... and could possibly turn violent ????

The Catholic School was closed yesterday. I hope those kids are happy. Kids that go to that school who don’t give a damned about MAGA hats or Pussy hats had their school interrupted. And for what ??? What in the Sam hell was accomplished ???

From: BIG BEAR
23-Jan-19
Question #2........ Let’s assume the Indian is a Political Pot stirrer. A left winger. Do you think it was appropriate for a kid to be making the tomahawk chop at that guy ?? Do you think if you were supervising those kids,,, That you would allow your kid to stand there and do that ??? I wouldn’t let my kid be there unsupervised to begin with......... Let alone stand in front of that guy and do the tomahawk chop .......

What exactly did this whole event accomplish ???

From: JTV
23-Jan-19
Those kids acted admirably, they did not do anything the left has said, they stood there and was accosted by the black radicals and then the lying crap bag of an Indian who got in their faces .... The students went to a PRO LIFE rally, and was accosted by left wing radicals... I would be proud of the kids for doing so and behaving the way they did ...

From: BIG BEAR
23-Jan-19
Do you have kids Jeff ???

From: BIG BEAR
23-Jan-19
Did the kid that was doing the tomahawk chop act admirably Jeff ?? Admirable.......Honorable and deserving respect......

From: BIG BEAR
23-Jan-19
Do you agree that while at a Political rally.... regardless of your side on the issue.... You will be accosted by people of opposing views (approached and confronted aggressively)..... Is it possible to even become violent......????

To you think it’s appropriate for high school teenagers to be at a volitile Political assembly with no chaperone ???

From: BIG BEAR
23-Jan-19
If you were chaperoning those kids Jeff..... Would you allow one or more of the kids to do that tomahawk chop thing in that mans face,,, Or possibly even join the kid in doing it ???

From: 70lbdraw
23-Jan-19
"Would any of you here send your kid to a Political rally unsupervised..."

My kids won't be going to ANY rally while they're in school, supervised or not! These kids had no business being at the rally when they're supposed to be in school learning the fundamentals that are so much more important. Wheather the school set it up or not...only a fool would allow their high schoolers to participate in this type of rally. It almost certain to turn out like this did. Now they're missing school because of the backlash?! Like I said...foolish...what else were the grown ups expecting when they planned this trip to begin with?

From: BIG BEAR
23-Jan-19
Wow Bryan...... That’s the most logical thing anyone has said on this thread !!!!!

From: Solo
23-Jan-19
"tomahawk chop" ..... LOL , BB ... hehehe

I used to do the tomahawk chop in Tallahassee back in the late 70's when I was a Florida Seminoles fan for almost one season (only because of a girlfriend at the time ;-) ... Then I reverted back to being a Gator fan again when I finally came to my senses.... :^p

From: HA/KS
23-Jan-19
BB, are you saying that nobody should wear a MAGA hat in public - particularly in D.C?

We should avoid any activity that might trigger someone to respond with vehemence or violence?

Our rights end where they might disagree with someone's opinion or hurt their feelings?

From: 70lbdraw
23-Jan-19
Wow Bryan...... That’s the most logical thing anyone has said on this thread !!!!!

Just expanding on your question BB. So, you technically started the logic.

From: JTV
23-Jan-19
it figures BB is siding with the radicals ... like I said I would have no problems with teens going to a PRO LIFE rally, esp. if they wanted to learn and see how radical the left is .... these were not little kids, these were teens ... there were chaperones there, and the teens still acted admirably under what happened ... there were teens at local Tea Party Rally's when they were held here several years back .... they learned valued lessons on politics and government ...

From: HA/KS
23-Jan-19
70lb, it is a PRIVATE school paid for by the kids and their parents. There are many ways to learn - not all of them in a traditional classroom.

From: BIG BEAR
23-Jan-19
You didn’t answer my question Jeff..... Do you have kids ???

From: BIG BEAR
23-Jan-19
Henry. Don’t try to put words into my mouth.........please sir.

Here’s a great idea Henry. Organize it with your school to make a field trip to Washington, the next time a group of vagina hat wearing ladies have a pro choice rally....... You and your students can wear all the MAGA gear and carry pro life signs in peaceful protest of the pro choice rally........ Report back here after you get parent approval,,,, And then let us all know how the peaceful rally was a great teaching opportunity and a priceless experience.......

From: JTV
23-Jan-19
I wont answer that as it is none of your business as none of my personal private life is none your f'n business ... I only let out what I want out, my family isnt part of this site and they never will be ....

From: BIG BEAR
23-Jan-19
That’s what I thought. No kids. No problems with teens going to a volitile rally because they aren’t your teens and you have no clue about raising kids. Not married. No kids.

From: HA/KS
23-Jan-19
BB, I just don't understand how a guy who is usually reasonable could be advocating that people shouldn't exercise their rights to support causes with which they agree?

These kids went to a pro-life rally with hundreds of thousands of others. They neither sought nor escalated a conflict, yet you seem to be blaming the kids.

Should pro-life people just cancel all future rallies?

According to you, the kids should neither go to the rally nor wear MAGA hats.

Should all pro-life rallies and activities be cancelled? Which ones do you want to allow?

Ban MAGA caps - where/when? Just for kids at rallies in DC? For everyone at rallies? For kids everywhere? For everyone in DC?

23-Jan-19
Disclaimer, I never was blest with children, but was a Big Brother for over a decade.

No way would I allow someone I was responsible for that was not of legal age participate in an event that experience has taught us might put them in harm's way.

JMO, any adult who would is irresponsible and is lacking in judgment.

There are plenty of recordings if I want to show and discuss the irrational behavior of leftists with young people.

FWIW, as a Club Advisor on our campus, I could never secure permission to take kids to an event like this. Our Insurance company, which has to approve every off campus event, would deny us coverage. And our kids are adults.

We know the left lacks judgment, but some here I am surprised of the position they are attempting to defend. Adults should have pulled the kids out at the first sign of volatility.

Demonstrating responsible behavior evidently is a lesson some adults here missed. Chris, you continue to show good judgement, and as a LEO that is great for the rest of us. Thanks.

From: BIG BEAR
23-Jan-19
Henry. You are not reading what I am saying. A pro life rally is sure to be a volitile situation..... I am saying that I will NOT allow my child to attend a rally that will likely become hostile.

If there was a KKK rally in Washington..... I would fully support you in going there and wearing MAGA hats and carrrying signs.... “Down with the KKK”. Hell,,,, I might even join you........

But there is NO WAY IN SAM HELL that my kid is going....... How much more clear can that be ??? (And by kid I mean under 18 and living under my roof.)

From: BIG BEAR
23-Jan-19
Thanks Frank.... and thank you for your common sense.....

23-Jan-19
Chris,

It was cyrstal clear several posts back of yours to anyone willing to be realistic about the potential for conflict to turn violent at these types of events.

I agree that the kids had a Constitutional right to be there. I agree the leftists escalated the situation, which is no surprise. (Berkley?)

The press pushed an absolute lie, but what else do we expect today.

I was surprised the kid's facial expression did not cause a bigger issue. I would start with that lesson. The interview I saw with him, his demeanor was much different.

From: BIG BEAR
23-Jan-19
No doubt Frank. The Black Hebrew Israelites that were there accosted the Catholic kids.....

From: 70lbdraw
23-Jan-19
"BB, I just don't understand how a guy who is usually reasonable could be advocating that people shouldn't exercise their rights to support causes with which they agree?"

HA...I think you're priorities are twisted. We all agree on exercising our rights. Some of us don't think kids need to get involved in adult agendas like abortion. Seems like a no brainier to me, and that makes it look like you're using these kids as human sheilds...you know?...like the libs did in Wisconsin. And everywhere else for that matter. Indoctrination before education is a recipe for disaster!

23-Jan-19
Well said 70!

From: BIG BEAR
23-Jan-19
Wow Bryan...... nothing but common sense there once again....

From: HA/KS
23-Jan-19
"No way would I allow someone I was responsible for that was not of legal age participate in an event that experience has taught us might put them in harm's way."

So you wouldn't allow them to play sports, drive (or ride in) a car, etc?

From: 70lbdraw
23-Jan-19
HA, you sound like a liberal. I find it hard to believe that you really don't get it. Or perhaps it simply fits your agenda?

From: HA/KS
23-Jan-19
Thanks for the clarification, BB. I still prefer to allow minors to exercise their rights. I would not try to discourage our daughter from taking our granddaughters to DC for one of these pro-life events. Unlike the events put on by leftists, pro-life events are family friendly.

I have had a number of current (at the time) and former students go to DC for the life rallies (I was not involved directly in any of this). None of them have been harmed and I believe most learned a lot about how our society, our nation, and our politics work. I enjoyed hearing what they had to say about the experience when they returned to Kansas. Most were from private schools. I'm not sure if I remember any of my public school students going when they were students.

From: BIG BEAR
23-Jan-19
Apples to oranges Henry, come on. A kid could be accidentally injured in a car or in sports.....

There is an increased chance of them being physically assaulted at a Political rally.

Are you willing to take your kids to the KKK rally holding up signs that say “Down with the KKK” ?? Why not ???

From: HA/KS
23-Jan-19
70 "Some of us don't think kids need to get involved in adult agendas like abortion."

Some people also think that nobody under 21 should be able to use a firearm. Which rights do you intend to take from kids? Which parental rights do you intend to take from parents and give to the government?

I prefer to teach kids how to think and let them use that skill in increasing amounts as they mature.

You say I sound like a liberal, but I'm not the one advocating that the government increase their control over people.

From: HA/KS
23-Jan-19
Are you willing to take your kids to the KKK rally holding up signs that say “Down with the KKK” ?? Why not ???

No. I also would not go or encourage anyone else to go to any other counter-protest.

Unless what they are doing is illegal, the KKK has a right to have their event. If it is illegal, then I leave it up to you and other similarly employed people to take care of.

From: BIG BEAR
23-Jan-19
Counter protesters are the norm for organized protests.....

KKK folks are bat shit crazy. Any counter protest to one of their marches is highly likely to be met with violence.

But there’s pro choice people out there that are just as bat shit crazy and certain to show up at right to life gatherings. That’s a no brainer....

How did this teaching event work out for these kids Henry ??? Their school was closed yesterday and there are Police Officers on scene at their school today to protect the kids. Is that fair for the kids who had no desire to be involved in the issue ???

From: HA/KS
23-Jan-19
"How did this teaching event work out for these kids Henry ?"

They learned first hand that our nation is in great danger from leftists and immoral people of many stripes. They learned that there may be a cost for standing up for what is right, but it is still worth standing up for.

I am not Catholic and never will be, but I admire these kids first for being willing go to DC to make a statement for life and second for not backing down when they were told that they were evil and had no right to be there.

They will remember this day and the lessons far longer than any other day of their entire education so far.

23-Jan-19
Henry,

You prefer to tell kids what to think, you pretend as you indoctrinate them to believe you are building blocks for critical thinking, but you are not.

If your logical thinking relating sports is an example, let's get really ridiculous and not have them leave the house where they might trip, get hit by lightning or a drunk driver.

When you were a principal, if you did this with my kid, you would be finished at that school. One way or the other.

And it simply is indoctrination. Lots of great kids grow up never having shot a gun or baled hay. MLK got it right, judge by their character, nothing but.

From: BIG BEAR
23-Jan-19
Their whole school will remember it...... wether they chose to be involved or not.

Fortunately violence didn’t erupt. If one of those kids got injured or killed at that rally.... we’d be having another discussion altogether.

From: Grey Ghost
23-Jan-19
I couldn't help but notice that smirk the kid had on is face at the rally suddenly changed to a look of remorse in his interview, today.

And how about that carefully and professionally crafted statement that the kid's PR firm released last Sunday? What a piece of the work that was.

BB, I couldn't agree with you more on this one. And I echo Frank's sentiments.

Matt

23-Jan-19
You would not encourage anyone to go to a counter protest?

What do you think happens at about every protest?

Serious lacking of consistency in your logic!

You and I are old enough that we grew up in an age where if you poked the bear and were mauled, everyone felt you got what you deserved. That kid's smirk would have been wiped right off his face in our day. Seems to me his parents could have provided more useful lessons than being an antagonist. They knew they would most likely draw a reaction.

You want a great civics lesson at that age, educate about getting out the vote of like minded thinkers. That will have a lasting impact, more so than a few days in the news cycle.

From: JTV
23-Jan-19
wow, a lot of Catholic church haters here, maybe some of you should team up with those radicals and storm the church or team up with those black anti-Israel semi-terrorists, you guys could always beat the drum like that Indian did (excuse me, Native American did)...

From: gflight
23-Jan-19
You guys are a trip.....

Whether it's red flag law's or peaceable assembly, rights are rights. A right not exercised is a right lost.

Suppression of guns in the public eye or suppression of speech/assembly makes us more like a democracy than a republic.

Wolf, sheep, and dinner come to mind.

23-Jan-19
Gentlemen,

You need to do better comprehending what was written. All of us believe in free speech, and we also think real men, not those suffering from toxic masculinity, have an obligation to exercise caution and good judgement with loved ones who may not as of yet be wise to hidden agendas so as to not have to learn a lesson the hard way.

Gflight, I could say the same back about your view, what a trip...if this were some of my students, with neon colored hair, metal stuck in their faces, pants hanging too low and wanting to organize a 'climate change is happening and caused by man' rally, all of you would fail to see the merits of that civics lesson.

Like Chris said, there are nuts on both sides.

23-Jan-19
Jeff,

FTR, altar boy, Catholic grade school, high school, Jesuit undergrad, Catholic grad school. Only time in public schools were during kindergarten and doctoral work.

I have a bias in favor of, not against.

From: HA/KS
23-Jan-19
HfW, exactly what did I say that set you off? I would really like to know.

I generally guarantee that if I had been your kid's principal you would have been very happy with the job I did. Your kid may have not always agreed with you, but in hindsight (a little time and maturity) they also would be very happy with the job I did for them.

Since you have never had a kid, the above statement is really a shot in the dark, but you could interview any kid or parent that I worked with in 39 years and should like what you learned.

From: gflight
23-Jan-19
Still would be their right even if they are wrong.

Freedom is letting other people do things you don't like.

Experiential learning is the best teacher.

Should about cover it...

From: Grey Ghost
23-Jan-19
Personally, I'd be ashamed if my kid acted like this punk.

Should about cover it..

Matt

From: 70lbdraw
23-Jan-19
"You say I sound like a liberal, but I'm not the one advocating that the government increase their control over people.”

HA...at what point did I EVER advocate for gov't control in my posts??!

From: gflight
23-Jan-19

gflight's Link
Just getting spun up on the full story been busy...

"He tells her there won’t be any food stamps coming to reservations or the projects because of the shutdown, and then gesturing to his left, he says, “It’s because of these … bastards over there, wearing ‘Make America Great Again’ hats.”

The camera turns to capture five white teenage boys, one of whom is wearing a maga hat. They are standing at a respectful distance, with their hands in their pockets, listening to this exchange with expressions of curiosity. They are there to meet their bus home."

From: HA/KS
23-Jan-19
70 "Some of us don't think kids need to get involved in adult agendas like abortion."

Who would you have enforce that if not the government?

BTW, I have stated on this thread that I have never been directly involved with sending kids to DC to march for life. I did say that if my daughter decided to go and take my grandkids I would not discourage her. She is their mom. I'm not.

If she asked my opinion, I would gladly discuss the pros and cons of such a trip. Both have been very well stated on this thread, though not directly in the specific context of my daughter and granddaughters. Each person's decision would come from different inputs and philosophies.

From: Grey Ghost
23-Jan-19
I'd say, get on the bus, dumb-asses, and learn when it's the appropriate time to discuss important issues.

Matt

23-Jan-19
Henry,

No, I would not be happy with the job you did if your words reflect your philosophy. Yes, I bet in western, farmland KS it goes over great.

I noticed you did not respond to how you would handle kids that did not share your views and had an appearance that would not be accepted out that way.

Henry, not to brag but my president just sent a one page letter to me that made me blush. Feedback he received from a number of students, with vastly different beliefs, was the catalyst for his communication. I still am concerned every single day if I helped a kid on their journey to find the truth.

I hope I am wrong, but my take from many of your posts is that there is only one way to see the world. That doesn't work for me.

Again, if my kid was embroiled in this without my permission because the school leadership believed the experience was worthy of the risk, they would soon be educated in conflict resolution.

I love the hypocrisy on this site, educators are whack jobs unless they are involved in some sacred conservative cause. That's not the role of a serious educator, on either side of an issue.

From: gflight
23-Jan-19
At what age were your kids allowed to go hunting on their own?

From: 70lbdraw
23-Jan-19
"Who would you have enforce that if not the government?"

Are you familiar with the term "Parenting”? Not all of us view the gov't as our parents. I suppose it's asking a lot for people to use a little common sense, when it comes to how their kids will face the world on their own. If this is not a concept you don't understand, that's fine. But, speaking of advocates,...do you advocate for the crap that kid is currently going thru? One of the lefty media sites conned him into doing an interview. You should watch it, then tell me if you want to see YOUR grandkids go thru THAT kind of learning experience...SMH!

From: gflight
23-Jan-19
Naming your boy Sue nowadays probably wouldn't be a big deal....

"The youngest individual ever to receive the Nobel Prize was born in Pakistan. She lived in a small town ruled by the Taliban, which banned girls from receiving any education or attending school. At the age of 11, she was writing a blog for a local BBC station, voicing her desire for girls to continue studying. When she turned 15, Malala was shot in the head by a Taliban gunman while she was riding a bus to school. She survived the attack and was sent to a hospital in Birmingham, UK, where she now lives and runs a number of education projects."

From: HA/KS
23-Jan-19
HFW "I noticed you did not respond to how you would handle kids that did not share your views and had an appearance that would not be accepted out that way." I didn't notice this part of your comments.

I dealt with kids every day for 39 years who didn't see things the same way I did. Since I was teaching science, it generally didn't come up. When it did, we could have a discussion. Most of my students probably couldn't even tell you what my political positions were on most topics.

If students had very strong opinions, I often tried to get them to thoughtfully expound and defend their positions. I generally took the opposite (if no other student in the class did) opinion regardless of whether I agreed or disagreed with student.

I don't know what you mean by and appearance that "wouldn't be appreciated out that way." Please tell me what is and isn't appreciated "out that way" and how you came to that knowledge.

I have often been asked if I taught evolution or creation in biology class. My answer was always the same "I was hired to teach biology. Evolution is the currently accepted scientific explanation for how life got here, so that is what I teach." Through the years, numerous students asked me what I believed. I always told them that I was created, but that is religion not science and this is a science class. In discussion time, I allowed students the freedom to question anything they wanted about evolution as long as it was science based.

" if your words reflect your philosophy" What specific words do you refer to?

From: JTV
23-Jan-19

JTV's Link
https://www.theblaze.com/glenn-tv/who-are-the-black-hebrew-israelites-and-what-was-their-role-in-the-covington-kids-controversy-glenn-beck-breaks-it-down

From: gflight
23-Jan-19
Did kids fight for freedom in WW2?

No wonder we gripe about beta males nowadays....

From: HA/KS
23-Jan-19
"Are you familiar with the term "Parenting”?" Yes. It has been my contention on this entire thread that parents, not the government should be making the decisions regarding their children.

23-Jan-19
G,

Teaching proper safety practices in hunter education is a lot easier than teaching "soft skills". The hunter controls the situation, whereas in a emotional situation with multiple people involved the variables at play are controlled as much by others, with an agenda that may or may not parallel yours.

From: HA/KS
23-Jan-19
HfW "Again, if my kid was embroiled in this without my permission because the school leadership believed the experience was worthy of the risk, they would soon be educated in conflict resolution."

Do you really think that the school took those kids to DC without knowledge, consent, and financial support from the parents?

From: Solo
23-Jan-19
That young man left his mark. I honor him for continuing to stand his ground, despite the injun pulling up later on to assault him with his loud noises....

From: gflight
23-Jan-19
With under 21 gun bans and psychotropic drugs being commonplace I am surprised parents would allow kids to go to DC to stand for something. Let alone with red hats that say taxation is theft....;)

23-Jan-19
Did not assume that, reacted to your comments of support. There are parents that will financially support their kids being involved protesting in support of liberal hot button issues. You going to support that Henry? We both know you would not.

That is what makes this indoctrination, not education. Catholicism has an agenda obviously, and a history of putting young people at risk. Focus on cleaning that up, lots of very valuable lessons to be gleaned from that approach.

It ought to be blatantly obvious that we can educate young people and mitigate unnecessary risk. Chris asked a great question, what happens if a kid was injured or killed. Is that kid's life any less valuable than one taken by an active shooter?

From: JTV
23-Jan-19
what happens if a teen is killed or injured in a museum trip .... it has happened ...

From: gflight
23-Jan-19
Kid could have some Peta nuts peeing under her stand.

Why we're the kids in DC with MAGA hats?

Was there any meaningful discourse while they were there?

Did they learn?

Did they do any reflective observation on the way home?

Did the experience better prepare them for life?

Hard to get this kind of learning in the classroom.....

23-Jan-19
Still did not answer Henry, would you support the liberal kid and agenda similarly? A learning experience?

I bet your kids knew exactly where you stood on issues, no matter how well you thought you were nuetral.

For at least ten years I came out and stayed in Sharon Springs to archery antelope hunt. Stopped to help NJ Bussen round up a cow running free, and by his grace ended up with over 10k acres I could hunt.

Ate all my meals in town, at the train car dinner. Stayed there also. Never saw anyone who approached what is very "normal" on my campus. It was refreshing. He was a salt of the Earth person, and his wife as well.

Probably didn't see that coming Henry. I am as comfortable there as in a big city because I see people the same way...we are all just trying to make our way through life and we could all use a break and some understanding.

From: gflight
23-Jan-19
Ah, subjectivity against Catholicism.

If they were being indoctrinated they may have got a valuable lesson that has them check their perceptions from the discourse....

23-Jan-19
G,

That kind of learning is the parent's responsibility, not the government's.

Things do escalate. I was a couple years before entering high school when Kent State, just little drive away, ended up a disaster. We are forgetting the lessons again. Protest with a vote. Hold a rally, and walk away if a confrontation looks likely.

From: gflight
23-Jan-19
I didn't see the government out there in the videos. Catholic school isn't government.

A right not exercised is a right lost.

From: gflight
23-Jan-19
Would you ban all guns to avoid disaster?

Did you watch any video of the Trump rallies?

23-Jan-19
Not even a close comparison, and you are smarter than that.

The Catholic school should not have sponsored that. The red hats have drawn violent reactions elsewhere. One can stand up for pro-life positions without bringing unnecessary politics into it.

Do what you want as an adult responsible solely for yourself. Not with those charged to your responsibility. False bravado, save it for when it counts.

23-Jan-19
The gun stuff gets old G. If I had any left, my view is the country is over when they try and take them.

Actions speak a lot louder than words. I don't need to spout anything off to feel good.

I used to believe ' God, country, Corps'. I now believe in God, freedom, family. As long as my country still does, we are good.

23-Jan-19
Jeff,

You know a freak accident is different than voluntarily engaging is an activity that in all likelihood will draw a reaction?

From: gflight
23-Jan-19
I'm a one trick pony what can I say...

School gun walkout was their right as well.

Did some feel pressured? probably.

Could they have been influenced here? Probably

Still have the right to stand up for what they believe.

That's freedom...

I was at the state capital twice a year fighting for gun rights for many years in case you are insinuating anything....

From: gflight
23-Jan-19
Much as I can't stand Trump and his minions I don't like hat or flag bans or the suggestion that people shouldn't wear certain things. Your prison pants and steel nose rings mentioned above apply as well....

From: HA/KS
23-Jan-19
HfW "There are parents that will financially support their kids being involved protesting in support of liberal hot button issues. You going to support that Henry? We both know you would not."

What kids and their parents choose to support is up to them. I won't voluntarily support any cause that I don't believe in. As for approving, that could depend on the situation and the age of the kid. I don't think it's appropriate for parents to take kids to some of the violent and profane leftist events, but it is not up to me to to decide that.

I cant be more clear that I think it is up to the kids and their parents unless there is illegal activity or specific danger to the kid. In the case of the right to life marches, millions have participated without any harm to any kid as nearly as I know.

From: HA/KS
23-Jan-19
HfW, I just don't see how you put yourself on the self-righteous high ground and me in the bigoted "out there" in this discussion.

I have worked with a lot of kids and know that when given the opportunity most will rise to the occasion and do even better that we expected. As an educator, I advocated for giving students opportunities for self-responsibility and appropriate consequences if they failed to live up to academic or behavioral expectations. You seem to think that HS kids are snowflakes who cannot experience and learn from life.

Again, over the years millions have attended the right to life march. It is not a dangerous event, though it does have the possibility of allowing students (and adults) to experience life outside the hallways of their schools.

23-Jan-19
Henry,

My opinion is not based on this thread alone. I believe you are aware of that. I have made "noise" before when I felt you were a little narrow minded.

You are correct about most of the demonstrations in the past having been peaceful. I hope you recognize we are living in different times. Our president is a lightning rod who seems to cultivate controversy. They are on a right to life demonstration, yet decided to wear hats that have a record of inciting reactions. The kid stands there smirking. Yes, you have the right to raise your kids that way, it is within the law. And, you will have your judgement questioned, and rightfully so IMO. That is not self-righteous but rather sound judgment. You don't get it, sadly so.

When it counts, I make a stand, but only when I have myself to be concerned about. And I certainly don't hide behind kids to push an agenda.

I expect unbecoming behavior from the left, I used to expect more from our side. If anyone believes the behavior on recent display is not going to leave a lasting, and negative impact, they are only fooling themselves.

I'm out, it's yours from here.

From: gflight
24-Jan-19
Teenager smirking? That never happens.....

From: TGbow
24-Jan-19
It's no surprise that the main stream media will hit the ground running with a story like this whether it's true or not.

24-Jan-19
"A right not exercised is a right lost." Great statement, gflight.

" You seem to think that HS kids are snowflakes who cannot experience and learn from life."

Equally great, HA.

There is NO reason anyone should expect to be threatened by their choice of hat, t-shirt, or position. The only way that flies is if we allow it.

The authorities have been lax in their enforcement of the law, particularly with regard to violent leftists like antifa and that does give people pause in certain areas. However, there is nothing inherently wrong with expressing one's position with clothes and I TV is against the law for anyone to take action against someone for wearing a hat just as it is if they are wearing black skin.

The lack of enforcement authorities to stop the actual aggressors in this situation leaves it to the individual to protect himself and fight for his rights.

That will inevitably end with some asshole being shot by someone they frightened. Of course that will be used by leftists against the legal gun carrier regardless of the totality of the circumstances. In short, we are screwed if we do and screwed if we don't so we might as well protect ourselves and our rights and let the chips fall where they may.

From: BIG BEAR
24-Jan-19
I wonder if these kids are aware that the Pope said that building a wall is not Christian......?? (I don’t agree with the Pope).......

Do kids at a Catholic School ignore the Pope on this issue, and support President Tump and the wall ???

From: JTV
24-Jan-19

JTV's Link
Well it seems this Indian (excuse me 'Native American") dosnt tell the truth ... he has lied many times about being a Vietnam Vet .... he is not and was not ever in Vietnam .. Many FNM/MSM outlets have claimed he was and then said he never claimed he was ... their story changes as much as his lies do ..... Hmmmm, sound familiar ...

Newly Surfaced Video Shows Nathan Phillips Explicitly Claimed He's A 'Vietnam Vet'

http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=59718

From: Trax
24-Jan-19
Absolutely they do Bear, the pope is a man in a bad robe. Infallibility is an old joke. Franny needs to be reminded about the wall around the Vatican, just for starters.

From: BIG BEAR
25-Jan-19
Somehow I doubt the school administrators of that Catholic School have the same view of the Pope.....

25-Jan-19
Could be, BB. I grew up Catholic and did not buy into the Pope's infalibility from a young age. One can still believe in all the important tenets of Catholicism without trusting the Pope's infalibility. Also, given some of this popes actions, I would be surprised if any of the administrators adhered to that particular notion.

25-Jan-19
It is my understanding that Infallibility applies only to matters of church doctrine. Like other humans, Pope Francis, has offered his opinion on other matters.

His name is Pope Francis, and he deserves respect whether we agree with him or not, whether we subscribe to his faith or not.

Trax, being disrespectful towards MLK, Pope Francis is easy to do as an anonymous poster, once again calling out the hypocrisy of you pointing out the behavior of lying liberals etc.

From: BIG BEAR
25-Jan-19
Jeff.... So the guy was never in Vietnam.... so what. He’s a liar and a left winger..... so what ??

Does that mean he’s not a Marine Corps Veteran ?? What the heck ever happened to “Once a Marine,, always a Marine”...?????

Is he not a Native American ?? Is he not an elder to those teenagers ??? Do you think doing that tomahawk chop in front of him was being respectful ??

You will never admit one fault with anyone..... as long as they are all Trump all the time. President Trump could crap in your hands,,, And all you would have to say is that’s the most beautiful crap you’ve ever held.

From: gflight
25-Jan-19
"His name is Pope Francis, and he deserves respect whether we agree with him or not, whether we subscribe to his faith or not."

When in the military I observed the protocol fitting their title like I do my boss today because I have to or face repercussions.

Respect from me is only given for those who earn it. It is something given of my own free will like Love.

BB,

They were at a protest being called incest kids, bigots, racists. I think it was pretty nice they only did a school chant with a tomahawk chop. I do see your point with the Trumpette copy/poser.

If that guy who walked into the boys trying to provoke more than discourse is lying about his service he is just like Trump or Kerry in my book. Draft dodging and lying about your service are lowest on my respect list.....

25-Jan-19
Every human being deserves respect that conducts their lives ethically and morally, even those we disagree with philosophically. So G, I respectfully disagree with you. And that my friend is the essence of our problems, the frivolous reasons we justify our behaviors towards other humans. Of course, IMHO!

Chris, your response to Jeff hit the nail on the head, for more than just myself. It is apparent that double standards are fine as long as you support Trump. Call liberals out for lying, which we should, but you will never see Jeff post a link about one of Trump's actually being arrested for lying. Mueller is always the bad guy.

And by now Chris you should know that Jeff doesn't subscribe to once a Marine...Mueller is a Marine. Evidently a terrible one.

From: BIG BEAR
25-Jan-19
Gerald...... They were being called incest kids and racist bigots by the Black Hebrew Israelites...........

From: BIG BEAR
25-Jan-19
Frank.... Exactly. Jeff has been calling out Matt for not voting.... here recently........

Yet he has no problem with a guy who voted twice for O’Bama,,,, Since that person has now flipped and professed their total support of President Trump.......

From: gflight
25-Jan-19
That is right BB,

The Marine should have stood up to the racists who were also insulting them, but instead he walked into the MAGA crowd beating a drum in their faces to instigate a physical response.

As I said above,

I think it was pretty nice they only did a school chant with a tomahawk chop.

What is the definition of Assault?

I would think if he touched them while beating that drum in their face they could have put him on the ground in self defense. Then of course the liberals would go crazy on the racists....

Hell, we have people here thinking a red hat is a confederate flag and shouldn't be worn.

What do you think them Hebrews would have done to stolen valor Phillips beatin' that drum in their face?

From: gflight
25-Jan-19
HFW,

I am a pessimist and you are probably an optimist.

People earn my respect, you respect people until they lose it?

I will clarify as well that I don't consider courtesy to be respect.

25-Jan-19
g,

Yes, I am an optimist. And yes, I do try and respect people until they prove they do not deserve it. Seems to be part of the lessons I learned from my upbringing.

I consider courtesy to be the behavior all decent people should exhibit. Treat people like dirt, and expect the same in return. Seems to me a lot of us could sand the rough edges off and this nation would have better results.

I will clarify as well, I do not think people who shout, call others names etc. are any more resolute about their professed beliefs. I typically assume they are ignorant, uneducated, or immature.

From: BIG BEAR
25-Jan-19
Nick Sandman....... “I wish I had walked away and avoided the encounter “........

From: BIG BEAR
25-Jan-19
Covington Catholic School Basketball Game postponed......

From: BIG BEAR
25-Jan-19
Bishop of Lexington....... “MAGA hats had no place at the march for life”.........

I have no problem with them wearing the hats or shirts there or in public..... But apparently their church does.

From: gflight
25-Jan-19
Good man to consider walking away. Even though he had every right to stand his ground, which seems to be a fault with moral people that liberals always take advantage of when there in the wrong….

The march is political.

The hats are political.

They should stand up to the hate and bullying from the left......But they probably won't.

Pu**y hats ok red hats racist........Bull***t

From: BIG BEAR
25-Jan-19
“The Marine should have stood up to the racists......”. He obviously felt that the Catholic kids were the racists..... because of their MAGA hats........

Now,,, You and I can totally disagree with him on that point.....

But in no way will you make me believe that old man was looking for a physical altercation by standing there beating on that drum.....

What has this accomplished ????? Canceling of school on Tuesday. Arming the School with Police presence on Wednesday. Canceling of the schools basketball game. A statement from the school that an investigation and possible suspensions may be forthcoming. The bishop of their diocese stating MAGA hats had no place at that rally......

From: gflight
25-Jan-19
So why walk in the crowd? If he didn't want to trigger a response. He was the instigator.

What has this accomplished ?????

It has shown objective people the hate and disdain of Democrats in order to suppress freedom of those they disagree with.....

From: BIG BEAR
25-Jan-19
You needed this to happen to show that ???

I’m sure there’s a lot of kids that go to that school that are being disrupted right now..... regardless if they are concerned with this issue at this point in their lives or not.

From: gflight
25-Jan-19
And who will stand up for their rights? Nobody

They are being taught to be silent, give up, walk away, and to never speak up again by the church and others not supporting them.

They had just as much right to protest and wear a political hat as any other groups do, IT WAS A MARCH FOR CRYING OUT LOUD, except in this case the left is trying to silence their voice, call them racist, and are using the media and their own people to help them do it.

Sad state of affairs....

25-Jan-19
It certainly is, gflight. I dont particularly care what the Bishop of Lexington said. He may be a flaming leftist himself who hates Trump and eschews anybody or anything that is in favor of Trump.

From: BIG BEAR
25-Jan-19
It was an anti abortion march Gerald. President Trump is in favor of abortions under certain circumstances..... So why would they wear MAGA hats ??

I agree they have the right to protest and wear the hats. No argument from me there.

You guys may not care what the Pope and the Bishop think of this whole mess....... (nor do I)....... But I’ll bet you that the administration of Covington Catholic School sure does.

From: JTV
25-Jan-19
There was a "Bishop" on Fox/Laura Ingraham that said he supported these teens and their right to wear the MAGA hats last evening, all the while ANOTHER 'left' leaning Bishop who it turns out is a trouble maker denounced them ...

25-Jan-19
"But I’ll bet you that the administration of Covington Catholic School sure does."

I wonder about that statement.......

From: gflight
25-Jan-19

gflight's Link
"It was an anti abortion march Gerald. President Trump is in favor of abortions under certain circumstances..... So why would they wear MAGA hats ??"

Here is an article on some of the different reasons it is currently a Teen trend.....

After this fiasco, If I didn't strongly dislike our "DDIC" Draft Dodger In Chief I would buy one to stand for 1A....

25-Jan-19
You organize a right to life March, a very serious matter. You are trying to change the hearts and minds of people as well as influence legislators. Your wear MAGA hats and stand their smirking, knowing the press is biased against you and expect to come out with a victory?

Forget the hate pouring out, you really expect to win with this approach?

Those kids should have been preparred for the possibility of confrontation and how they would handle it peacefully and without tarnishing themselves or their school. I blame the leadership, not the kids.

Lots of actions/behaviors are constitutionally protected, that doesn't make them right or smart.

From: gflight
25-Jan-19
The hat represents winning to some teens as outlined in the article I posted. I really can't speak for them.

Were they wearing the hats during the March or just when waiting on the bus and being accosted by the drum beater and racist hebrews?

25-Jan-19
It doesn't matter g.

Students are required to abide by school standards when off campus during school functions, not just when present at the activity they went to.

25-Jan-19
G,

In an earlier time, the school leadership would have stepped up and taken the blame for lacking in proper supervision. Instead, their first reaction appears to throw the kids under the bus, pun not intended.

You think this reaction was somewhat caused by decades of adults justifying their own poor behavior? And yet we keep right on doing it, both sides, all of us.

From: gflight
25-Jan-19
Are you saying they violated school standards for the event?

I was just curious if they wore the MAGA hats and hoodies the whole time. Some groups dressed different during the march and changed back before boarding their buses.

I think they behaved much better than the adults involved and are being persecuted by the leftists and some on the right.

Smirking really? What faces do people usually make when whack jobs invade their space beating drums?

25-Jan-19
School leaders should have never put them in that position. No one is arguing that they didn't have the right. Look at the fallout they are experiencing. Enrollment will probably take a hit.

Total failure of leadership. You are right, kids smirk. He should have never had that opportunity.

From: gflight
25-Jan-19
You mean school officials should have denied the children wearing those evil racist hats and hoodies at a protest march?

Because its hard to predict where you pick up a bus after a rally in DC and whether a thrice AWOL Marine Reservist who escaped from jail will get in your face......

From: TD
25-Jan-19
Ahhhhh.... I see now...... it was the facial expressions that were the problem..... makes sense....

good grief.....

25-Jan-19
TD,

Stop and think man. Why is the liberal press showing it over and over? Because people, a whole bunch of them, think much differently than the CF conservative bunch. Yes, image matters, like it or not.

From: JTV
25-Jan-19

JTV's embedded Photo
JTV's embedded Photo

From: gflight
25-Jan-19
If Statists attack and Freedom lovers capitulate the statists will keep attacking until we are Cuba.

Hands up don't shoot perfect example....

From: BIG BEAR
25-Jan-19
I’d rather see someone wearing a hat that says they’re a Veteran than either of those Jeff.....

But feel free to don your MAGA hat and be tolerant of diversity Jeff.... I know you’re tolerant of Muslim Americans,,,,

25-Jan-19
g,

So far it has been a fight without powder. And we are losing. We are going to a gun fight armed with a fork.

We have to watch our every behavior because the deck (press) is stacked against us. We don't surrender, we change tactics. I agree, it's not fair. I only care about winning.

Trump's ego has been hurting us more than helping the end game. Style matters. Soccer moms, or their equivalent today... He got a free pass once, that is not going to continue.

No, I don't have the answers other than huddle up with some advisors that he might listen to. But since he has been in office, I have talked with scores of people who once supported him but are now being put off by his behavior. They accepted brutish behavior during a rough and tumble election, but now want a person with dignity to represent our country.

If this keeps up, no way will he receive a second term. Before you respond to that, remember all of you who thought the House was going to gain R.

I will say it again, I am hopeful his approach is changing in style.

He SHOULD declare an emergency in 3 weeks if the dems dishonor their word. He should do it without belligerence and just tell the American people he believes national security is at risk, it is the number one job of the president to protect Americans and not take any shots at anyone else. Let it play through the courts. If they reverse his EO, go again to the American people and ask them to personally vote in 2020 for folks who declare they will support building the wall. Let the people decide.

From: JTV
25-Jan-19
I'll wear my MAGA hat proudly .... and stand up for those teens and this country proudly as I always have ... as for the lying POS agitator fake Vietnam Vet "native American", I hope he and his Israel hating foul mouthed anti-semite buddies rot ...

From: BIG BEAR
25-Jan-19
“Once a Marine, Always A Marine “.......

You have tolerance for people who think exactly like you do Jeff...... Beyond that,,,, You are the most intolerant person I’ve talked to on the Bowsite... and I’ve been around since it started in about 1995.

From: JTV
25-Jan-19
I guess you overlooked his claims and the Stolen Valor charge against him ....... Once a lying POS, always a lying POS ... PutZ comes to mind ...

From: gflight
25-Jan-19
I only decided to vote for Trump a couple days before the election. The open judge is why and if Ginsburg is not in play I will be voting Libertarian next election. He is against the majority of things I stand for as is well known here and his lack of character disgusts me.

Republicans are worried about perceptions I am not. I am concerned about freedom and facts. Cowards hiding and scared of being called racist because dumb azz voters believe taglines are of no use and will capitulate when confronted anyway.

Playing the BS race card on me you just piss me off because I am not. People that are not standing up for these young men who were racially insulted by one adult group and assaulted by an adult POS to get a response are gutless cowards in my book.

Fear to stand up for your rights leaves you with none.

Tories I think they were called when the great experiment was started.

From: gflight
25-Jan-19
"The story is still up front in the news and on social media, and even though all evidence presented so far supports the kids’ side of the story, many are still trying to find reasons to vilify the boys."

They sure are....

From: gflight
25-Jan-19

gflight's Link
Forgot the link....

From: gflight
25-Jan-19
Orwell 1984......

It was terribly dangerous to let your thoughts wander when you were in any public place or within range of a telescreen. The smallest thing could give you away. A nervous tic, an unconscious look of anxiety, a habit of muttering to yourself—anything that carried with it the suggestion of abnormality, of having something to hide. In any case, to wear an improper expression on your face (to look incredulous when a victory was announced, for example) was itself a punishable offence. There was even a word for it in Newspeak: FACECRIME, it was called.

From: gflight
25-Jan-19
"Rep. Ilhan Omar is the latest public figure to catch the attention of the attorney for the Covington Catholic students, Robert Barnes, who is threatening to sue just about anyone who he thinks spread “libel” against his clients.

“This is libel. Retract, or get sued,” Barnes tweeted, quoting a now-deleted tweet from the Minnesota Democrat in which she claimed the teens were at fault for the confrontation Saturday at the Indigenous People’s March in Washington, D.C., between the students from the Northern Kentucky school and Native American Nathan Phillips.

“The boys were protesting a woman’s right to choose & yelled ‘it’s not rape if you enjoy it,’” Omar tweeted Tuesday night, before deleting the tweet Wednesday morning. She also erroneously wrote that the students “were taunting 5 Black men before they surrounded Phillips and led racist chants.”"

From: BIG BEAR
25-Jan-19
Leave it to an attorney to sue the newspapers and media.... ha !!! Good luck with that. God forbid he sue the Native American or the Black Hebrew Israelites..... Hell..... they don’t have any money...... go after the deep pockets....!!! This is 15 minutes of free national advertising for this counselor.......

He’ll have to sue the kids’ own school too since they issued a statement condemning the kids........

While he’s at it........ He should sue the Pope and the local Bishop too ............HAHAHAHA

From: gflight
25-Jan-19

gflight's embedded Photo
gflight's embedded Photo

From: gflight
25-Jan-19
May get some cash from the stars making death threats

From: gflight
25-Jan-19
Petition.org has a petition about the girl who offered a blow job to who punches the kid in the face. The petition is for Trump to punch him when he visits the white house so she has to give Trump a hummer....

From: gflight
26-Jan-19
Nathan Phillips: The Lies So Far....Libertarian Republic

"Nathan Phillips, the Native American protester who was at the center of the viral Covington MAGA Kids controversy, has made a number of claims, and even doubled down on them.

However, these are claims that don’t appear to hold up to any level of scrutiny outside of the deceptively cropped video he wanted you see.

Here are several of the deceptive claims Phillips has made.

1) He was a Vietnam Era Veteran

While technically true (he served in the Marines prior to the end of the Vietnam conflict), his service began in 1972. This is based on his birthdate of February 22, 1955 and his statement that he joined the Marines at the age of 17.

The problem people noticed with his service beginning in 1972 with the Marines, is that this branch ceased operations and exited Vietnam in 1971.

The Washington Post has seemingly confirmed that Phillips indeed did not serve in Vietnam, and quietly issued a retraction at the end of one of their articles.

From The Washington Post:

“Correction: Earlier versions of this story incorrectly said that Native American activist Nathan Phillips fought in the Vietnam War. Phillips said he served in the Marines, but wasn’t actually deployed in Vietnam.”

Again, while technically true that he was a veteran in the Vietnam era, calling himself a Vietnam era veteran was intentionally deceptive (much like the video) because nobody actually says this unless they served in the war itself. Nobody says they’re a Desert Storm era veteran if they didn’t actually serve in Desert Storm, etc.

The media largely reported that he served in the Vietnam war, and Phillips did not correct them or set the record straight. Rather, he allowed this to continue to be reported while leaving himself a back door on the technicality of the word “era.” He allowed himself to be cannonized based on deceptive wording, basked in the attention, and never issued any correction.

This is probably as close to Stolen Valor as you can get without anyone being interested in charging you.

However, a video of Phillips posted on the Facebook Page called Native Youth Alliance has come to light where he indeed claimed to be a Vietnam Vet.

From the video:

“I’m a Vietnam vet, you know, I served in the Marine Corps, ’72 to ’76,” Phillips said in the video. “I got discharged May 5th 1976, you know. One of the — I got honorable discharge — and one of the boxes in there, it shows if it was peacetime, or what my box says is that I was in theater. I don’t talk much about my Vietnam times, you know. I usually say I don’t recollect, I don’t recall, you know, those years.”

2) He was a Recon Ranger

According to Nathan’s DD214 discharge papers, he was Fridge Mechanic, despite calling himself a Recon Ranger, a title which doesn’t actually exist in the Marine Corps. The closest unit to this is called the Regimental Reconnaissance Company, which didn’t form until 1984.

3) He was Honorably Discharged

Nathan Phillips stated in the above video that he was Honorably Discharged. As it turns out, he was discharged without honor. Phillips had gone AWOL several times and was disciplined for behavior while in the USMC.

While I really don’t care much about his service record, the issue is that he has at best deceived, and at worst lied about his military service for the sake of lifting his stature and credibility.

4) The Covington Kids were aggressive to the Black Hebrew Israelites

Nathan Phillips characterized the Covington Kids as being the aggressors towards the Black Hebrew Israelites, calling the high school kids beasts and likening it as predator to prey.

As it turns out, the Black Hebrew Israelites were taunting the kids, calling them faggots, incest babies, etc. The kids started a school chant to drown out the provocation.

5) The Covington Kids approached him

Video of the incident shows Phillips marching up to the kids with his drum. He was the one who approached.

6) Nicholas Sandmann blocked his path

Phillips claims that the smirking kid Nicholas Sandmann blocked his path and would not let him pass. Yet, video evidence shows a large clearing to the left of Sandmann with ample room to continue proceeding up the steps. Yet, Phillips walked in front of Sandmann, stopped, and proceeded to bang his drum in Sandmann’s face.

7) The kids surrounded him

At no point was Phillips actually surrounded. His own group was behind him and, as stated above, he could have easily continued up the stairs if that was his goal.

8) The kids stole his narrative

Phillips has claimed, in light of all the video evidence, that the kids stole his narrative, and has essentially doubled down on his account. The problem is the kids never stole his narrative. The kids had their own version of events, and video evidence was completely in line with their version, while striking down everything Phillips has claimed. That’s not the work of a narrative. That’s the work of evidence.

While the Left has lionized some ridiculous people in their time, this one just might be the most ridiculous."

From: BIG BEAR
26-Jan-19
If it’s turns out that he was dishonorably discharged from the Corps,,,, Then piss on him....... I have not disputed here that the guy is a left wing shit stirrer.............

But you can pick apart the guys past and it changes nothing about what actually happened there. It doesn’t matter to me if the kids approached him or he approached the kids. What was disrespectful to me was that when they were standing there in a faceoff with what was obviously a Native American elder......... one of the kids taunted him with the tomahawk chop. And I saw no chaperones in sight..... while these kids were being confronted by the Black Hebrew Israelites.

From: JTV
03-Feb-19

JTV's Link
Law suit letters have been sent out for libel ... see who the idiots are that will receive them ...

http://www.independentsentinel.com/oh-baby-look-who-got-letters-from-covington-catholic-hs-lawyers/

From: JTV
03-Feb-19

JTV's Link
https://pjmedia.com/video/covington-teens-lawyer-releases-brutal-14-minute-video-showcasing-lies-of-nathan-phillips-and-media/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

From: JTV
06-Feb-19

JTV's Link
Its about time someone stands up to the liars tht are out there, the Media and Hollywood... 54 Lawsuits have now been filed against those who defamed/libeled the teen ...

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/feb/5/covington-catholic-teen-begins-legal-battle-agains/

From: JTV
09-Feb-19

JTV's Link
Now Phillips is going to get sued .... Good !!

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/covington-students-lawyer-nathan-phillips-will-be-sued-first-round-of-lawsu

From: BIG BEAR
09-Feb-19
Good luck getting a dime out of that guy !! Suing him is a symbolic gesture.

And what is the lawsuit going to be for ??? Excessively beating his drum ??? Ridiculously frivolous waste of time.

From: gflight
09-Feb-19
Defamation of character?

From: BIG BEAR
09-Feb-19
The guy looks homeless.... What are you going to get out of him ???

And how did he defame the kids character anyways ?? Our lawsuit happy society is a joke.

09-Feb-19
BB X2

From: HA/KS
09-Feb-19
BB glad to know that you wouldn't arrest a guy because he looks homeless and wouldn't be able to pay a fine.

From: BIG BEAR
09-Feb-19
Arresting someone for a crime is a completely separate matter than suing someone civilly Henry........

09-Feb-19
I hope the kid wins millions and goes on to become an originalist SCCJ!

From: gflight
09-Feb-19
Maybe they can charge him with a crime?

"Assault charges may be as minor as the classification of Simple assault, which does not result in any bodily injury upon the plaintiff. Simple assault is the violation of one's personal space without consent that does not result in physical harm. Importantly, simple assault charges, unlike menacing charges, must result in physical contact."

Personally I think bringing a lawsuit against the pitiful old man will just make the kid look bad....

09-Feb-19
Its not the old man that I am concerned with. I think the Opress and all the fake news generators and their buddies should pay the price for what they did to the kids futures.

From: HA/KS
09-Feb-19
BB, just giving you a hard time. However, "looking homeless" should never be a legal consideration.

From: BIG BEAR
09-Feb-19
No criminal charges were filed and none will be.... mark my word. This is a civil matter....

From: JTV
09-Feb-19
The "old man" lied to the media, he made up his story ... he is a professional agitator ... causing trouble is what he does ... he fed into the media hype .... I hope the bastard pays dearly ...

From: BIG BEAR
09-Feb-19
And .........?? How does that get him sued.....??? And how much money do you think they get out of him........

I wager...... Zero.

From: JTV
09-Feb-19
It is the principal of the matter .. or dont you believe in principals ... he can pay dearly, and it dosnt have to be monetary either .... law suits have been settled and only a dollar accepted/awarded just to prove a point, sometimes that is all that is needed

From: BIG BEAR
09-Feb-19
^^^. What a huge waste of time.... Judges time.... lawyers time.... everyone’s time. Lawsuit crazy society. One of the big flaws with our society.

How is he gonna pay dearly ??? He doesn’t have a pot to piss in.....

From: JTV
09-Feb-19
as usual, you dont see the big picture ... this suit isnt about money, its about righting a wrong .... the media, the Hollywood elites, this liberal agitator who thinks he can get away with his actions and lies .... its past time someone stood up to these people ...

From: BIG BEAR
09-Feb-19
Once again Jeff...... what is a lawsuit against a man that has no ability to pay any judgment against him going to do to make him think he didn’t “get away with it “...............

If you think that lawsuits are the answer to right the wrongs in our society,,,, Then I say that you are part of the problem with our society.......

From: JTV
09-Feb-19

JTV's embedded Photo
JTV's embedded Photo
whatever .............smh

From: BIG BEAR
09-Feb-19
^^^^. That looks like a place that you’d look for girlfriends Jeff.......

From: JTV
09-Feb-19
when I was 6 I did ..... ;0) ....... again you got nuthin' ..

From: Woods Walker
09-Feb-19

Woods Walker's embedded Photo
Not Much On TV Tonight I Guess!
Woods Walker's embedded Photo
Not Much On TV Tonight I Guess!

From: JTV
09-Feb-19
Hunger Games is on MockingJay 1 & 2 ............. I was out shed hunting/Scouting all day, put in some miles, found one small 4 pt ... had venison burgers, drinking some ice tea, kicked back relaxing ...

10-Feb-19
"he is a professional agitator ... causing trouble is what he does ..."

Agreed, it is also Constitutionally protected.

That is the lesson these young adults need to learn IMO. There are people like him, and best to let them wallow in their own hate and move on to undertake more productive actions. Now we will waste resources just to 'show him". Conservative thought off the tracks.

From: gflight
10-Feb-19
How far should those kids move with ol' injun pursuing them and still be able to catch the bus?

What they learned is if you are white, Xtian, and pro life you will be the enemy in the press and people will blame you even if your innocent and within your rights.

The also learned that even though they were more responsible than the others were and well within their rights to stand in a public place waiting on their bus people will still blame them and say that they should have retreated.

10-Feb-19
Hopefully you will not be there to show them how to disrespect someone calling them 'ol' injun'.

Yes, all the name calling from the other side does not justify poor behavior. At least I thought that was part of the Bible's instructions. We maintain higher standards. The military taught us to do that over civilians. Remember?

From: gflight
11-Feb-19
Definitely lucky I wasn't the chaperone getting that ol' injun off my kids...

He only gets the respect he deserves picking on kids.

11-Feb-19
I suspect you would never be considered for chaperone, lol.

Are they kids, or young adults? Seems to keep changing as needed.

From: gflight
11-Feb-19
Got that right....

You are the only one to call them young adults. Not aware of this changing you refer to, only remember calling them students or kids?

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