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From: Coyote 65
01-Feb-19
Heard on the news that the SOTU is scheduled for next week. Is Trump going to declare a national emergency, so he can get the wall built, or is he going to kick the can down the road?

Terry

From: Huntcell
01-Feb-19
I think he is going to introduce his new 20 something pregnant Russian girlfriend and blow all the politicians minds . There’s their Russian collusion .

Then he will MAGA!!!!!!!!

From: TT-Pi
01-Feb-19
Good one Huntcell.

I think it will be a declaration of intention and his reasoning why. He has it shined up now. Question is will N.P. blow a fuse. Will she show up? He's got this.

From: Shuteye
02-Feb-19
Pelosi didn't want him to give the state of the union because things are so much better than the democrats thought was possible. I am glad she held it off so now Trump can brag about the jobs created in January. They all thought with the government shutdown the jobs number would be way down. Trump will build the wall, one way or the other.

From: Jimbo
02-Feb-19
The theme of his speech will be "unity."

02-Feb-19
:-)

From: Two Feathers
02-Feb-19
HH if memory serves me RBG was a no show at the SOTU last year.

From: memengako
02-Feb-19
The very Dark Net rumor mill speculates she's in Area 51 in deep coma laying next to the aliens being preserved until a Demon President get elected in 2020 for a funeral pageantry like McStain's.

From: Woods Walker
02-Feb-19
They've done it with Lincoln, why not RBG?

From: HA/KS
04-Feb-19

HA/KS's embedded Photo
HA/KS's embedded Photo

From: elkmtngear
04-Feb-19
Can't wait to watch Nancy suck on her dentures...

04-Feb-19
The State of the Union address Will be watched by more people than those who watched grown men play a game yesterday.

From: TT-Pi
04-Feb-19
Trump colluded with Kraft...

From: bigswivle
04-Feb-19
It’s obvious mueller has a hard on for Stone

From: Tonybear61
05-Feb-19
Nancy was definitely sucking on her dentures, eating peanut butter or under the influence of alcohol, prescription meds; or all 4 the last time she spoke in public. Good God she could hardly string sentences together. Embarrassment for her party, and this country as Speaker of the House.

Any one else notice a non-elected politician will be giving the rebuttal to the State of the Union?

From: Will
05-Feb-19
Mike, I sure hope so. I watched the super bowl. I would have if the Browns were playing the Cardinals as well, the fact the Pat's were in it was just a bonus for my favorite team.

But like the guy or not, it's the president of the US discussing his ideas with us. Everyone in the country with a TV should turn it on and watch or listen on the radio if you dont want to see half the humans in attendance stand and applaud like Sony Michelle just scored a touchdown with 7' to go in the super bowl and the other half look like KC fans about 5' into OT 2 weeks ago.

Im not a fan of the guy, but Ill watch it with an open mind to hear his ideas unfiltered and get a sense of what he feels is important the next 2 years.

FYI - for the same reason, I'd encourage folks to suck up the discomfort and listen to the rebuttals. You dont have to like it, but it's worth hearing.

From: elkmtngear
05-Feb-19
"FYI - for the same reason, I'd encourage folks to suck up the discomfort and listen to the rebuttals".

Listen to Abrams explain to the American People, how she was "whitewashed" out of the Election? Nah, I'm good...

05-Feb-19
I can tell you what the rebuttals will be. The polar opposite of what Trumps agenda is. He says go left, they’ll say right is the only way to be moral, compassionate, etc... He says up, they’ll say down. He says, forward, they’ll say backward.

That’s the problem regardless of what you think about Trump. Because Incase you left leaning guys have been asleep, most of what Trump wants and has promised, seems to be only contradicted by the senate and congress.

Sure, you can go to places that vote party lines, and find average citizens that disagree with him. But, if you get into average America, the large majority finds his policies right in line with the most pressing issues threatening this country today. Whether they like him or not.

From: TT-Pi
05-Feb-19
WV Mountain- Spot on. A critique of ideas is fine but its already a "rebuttal". I guess we need a "rebuttal debate" ... when did this become popular? Automatic. Predictable... Acceptable.

Sadly the other team will tell their people what to think and they will begin to think it even if they didn't when listening to the President. Then the next week of spinning and brainwashing...Again.

My buddy "Massachusetts-Will" recently posted the way that is done and some great techniques to sell it. ( whatever your selling) He's not the bad guy, just the messenger. I stand with him. I bust his nuts enough to show that opposition is in open season, with no bag limit, even in Ma. -Pi

From: South Farm
05-Feb-19
10:1 Pelosi gets up and walks out at the first mention of a wall! What do you think??

From: bigswivle
05-Feb-19
He needs to focus on his audience watching across the country not what’s gonna happen on the house floor. Let Americans make up there own minds.

From: Bob H in NH
05-Feb-19
Wonder what would happen if Trump changed the speech drastically after giving it out, and the rebuttal is then rebutting the wrong speech :-)

From: Franzen
05-Feb-19
I'm confused as to why the "rebuttal" should be watched other than for sheep... I mean people, that need to be told what to think about bad Mr. Trump's concerns and agenda for this country. If I don't like something he has to say, I don't need to watch some rebuttal to figure it out; I'll have my own rebuttal.

From: TD
05-Feb-19
I was kinda hoping AOC would get the gig......

That I'd watch on pay per view.....

From: KSflatlander
05-Feb-19
Refusing to watch the rebuttal whether left or right side is the definition of blind sheep behavior IMO.

From: nijimasu
05-Feb-19

nijimasu's Link
Not listening to address because you don't want to hear it

From: nijimasu
05-Feb-19

nijimasu's Link
Not listening to the rebuttal because you don't want to hear it

From: Bob H in NH
05-Feb-19
Pro lem is that's exactly what the other side sounds like. Look up the dem who isn't going cause he doesn't want to hear trumps lies.

Thus country and politics is broken. Trump is our only chance to fix it, but the issue is the Rs have almost as much to lose as the Ds

From: Franzen
05-Feb-19
KSflatlander, if one can and does think for his or her self, there isn't any need to watch a pointless rebuttal. If you are unable to think for yourself, and need the big D's to tell you what you need to think, then wear the shoe.

From: elkmtngear
05-Feb-19
Dems know they NEED a rebuttal...to keep from losing more voters!

SSSHHHH...it's OK, sheeple...none of what the Orange Man says is true, or relevant!

From: DRR324
05-Feb-19
I just truly hope he sticks to the script and doesn't ad lib after every comment "it's great- it really is", etc. Just read the speech and let the Dems rot in their own waste.

05-Feb-19
And trumps lies are worthy? Please man

There isn’t one Dem for open borders. Period. No wall is no wall.

This is a man that spends most of his time watching tv and tweeting.

Foreign affairs? He doesn’t even consult his own advisors.

He’s a sham. The SOTU will be his platform to sell his wall. It won’t work. He won’t change anyone’s mind and it will be all bluster and pointless.

Tonight, when Trump mentions: — "Family values," remember children in cages. Separated from their mothers.

—"Fiscal responsibility," $1.5T in tax cuts for the rich. With no benefit to the middle class

—"America first," concessions to Putin & Kim. And lies about ISIS being defeated.

—"Border security," a useless wall.

—"Unity," attacks on Schumer and Pelosi and being president only for his base with no interest in unifying this nation.

From: KSflatlander
05-Feb-19
Franzen- if you only get your information from one side how is that even close to thinking for yourself? That’s called living in an alternate reality. Simply narrow minded IMO.

05-Feb-19
excerpts of his speech were just released. No mention of a wall. Did he give up on it?

From: Annony Mouse
05-Feb-19
Pretty decent speech...

Pelosi keeps sucking on her wooden dentures... And the smirk on her face when Trump mentions the walls of the specials like her.

From: Jim Moore
05-Feb-19
Kamala Harris is really assed up. What’s with all the socialists wearing white?

05-Feb-19
It is a solid speech so far. Strong opening!

From: longbeard
05-Feb-19
PutZ shouldn’t you be talking to your lawyer about not talking about things/people? Just asking

From: KSflatlander
05-Feb-19
Excellent speech by Trump. One of the best SOTU speeches I have heard. Well done Mr. President.

From: bowbender77
05-Feb-19
Great speech Mr. President. A speech like that has a way of separating the Pukes from the Patriots.

From: Fivers
05-Feb-19
What the hell is she talking about???

From: KSflatlander
05-Feb-19
I thought the rebuttal speech was considerably weak. Some points I agreed with but weak regardless IMO.

From: canepole
05-Feb-19
If seeing those three WW 2 hero's and Buz Aldrin didn't send a chill through you and make you feel extra proud to be an American there must be something wrong with you! Great speech also!

From: slade
05-Feb-19
The new face of the Democrat party, White robbed pinched faced feminazi's....

From: slade
05-Feb-19
DISGRACEFUL. Speaker Pelosi Tweets Attacks on President Trump — Shuffles Through Papers During His SOTU Speech

From: slade
05-Feb-19

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slade's embedded Photo

From: slade
05-Feb-19

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From: Norseman
05-Feb-19
Socialist women that applauded “only in America” And chanted U.S.A!!!

They don’t even know what hit them....

From: Fivers
05-Feb-19
I liked how they thought the comment about women making up xx% of the workforce was about them! They all got up and cheered for themselves, even though most of them were never in the workforce...at least recently. Those women had absolutely zero to do with the increase of women in the workforce.

From: gflight
05-Feb-19
Well, looks like Trump's finally going to Vietnam...

From: Shuteye
05-Feb-19
Those two body guards could probably kill you with their bare hands. I would love to have what they are packing though.

From: TT-Pi
05-Feb-19
Socialism? Not in Our House!

Bernie went red and cried. Priceless.

Nancy : She was reading it to find out what's in it. That's a first. What a goof.

A WIN for TRUMP. A WIN for AMERICA. Big Loss for the Socialist ... Well Done Mr. President!

From: Two Feathers
05-Feb-19
Like Rhody said: "The amount of actual accomplishments that Trump has achieved would have never been known if Trump hadn't said it at the state of the union, you'd never know." Glad I didn't miss it.

From: slade
06-Feb-19
Winning

When will the bowlibs and Blatherskiting Never Trump Butt-Hurt Mavericks learn..

From: slade
06-Feb-19
Trump: ‘All Children – Born and Unborn – Are Made in the Holy Image of God

When was the last time you heard a sitting President say this in a speech of this significance?

From: slade
06-Feb-19
Right on Stacy, keep blathering.

Democrat Stacey Abrams gave her party’s official response to President Donald Trump’s State of the Union address and claimed that his policies were hurting the American economy.

Speaking before an almost entirely female audience — which stood silently throughout — Abrams declared: “The Republican tax bill rigged the system against working people. Rather than bringing back jobs, plants are closing, layoffs are looming, and wages struggle to keep pace with the actual cost of living,” she claimed.

From: HA/KS
06-Feb-19
Dems in white KKK and SOTU

From: HA/KS
06-Feb-19

HA/KS's embedded Photo
HA/KS's embedded Photo

From: HA/KS
06-Feb-19

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From: Owl
06-Feb-19
Honestly, HA/KS, that's all I could think about when I saw all those Dems in white - especially when they sat on their hands regarding Trump mentioning the need to ban late-term abortions. God instructs in many ways but one of His favorites must be irony.

Great speech. Gold star on everything but the N Korea claim.

06-Feb-19
Great Speech from what I've seen it. Missed it last night and awoke at 5 this morning to catch what I could of it. What a great President this man has been for the American people.

06-Feb-19
One of the best, all encompassing, SOTU speeches I have heard. The only time the dems would applaud, is when NP would instruct them too. The blind leading the sheep...Trump couldn’t have come to us at a better time.

06-Feb-19

Your fav poster's embedded Photo
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Hahah. Madam Secretary looking at him like; “look at this developmentally delayed little boy, he just did number two! Good boy!”

Hahahaha.

From: Franzen
06-Feb-19
I apologize in advance for my potential ignorance here, as I was battling my 2 year old for a good portion of the speech, and unable to focus on watching some parts. I tried to listen in the background, but admittedly did not catch it all. Did Trump even mention the elephant in the room that is our $22T debt? That is a big weak point for me if not, as I consider that something that should have been essential in this address. I also don't think the way he mentioned the whole "investigations" thing made him look good.

President Trump has come a long way, and he did a good job of getting away from "We do great things, the best things, the bestest of the best things in fact". He made the liberal Dems look really bad on his points regarding socialism and abortion. Personally, I think too much time was devoted to the criminal justice reform for a SOTU, but it made for a nice story line or two.

KSflatlander, I don't get information from a side, but if you struggle with that, then by all means be sure to keep yourself in check. The "rebuttal" should not really even be a thing, as there is no official purpose as far as I know. It is about nothing more than political posturing, regardless of whether it is the D's or R's presenting. Of course there is plenty of political posturing in the SOTU as well, but at least there is a reason for the address. The SOTU is the President's address, that is it and that is all.

From: BowSniper
06-Feb-19
What a great speech !! Trump looked comfortable and confident, and I thought his speech conveyed some real sincerity. He believes what he is saying, and it shows. I thought the speech overall was an excellent mix seeking unity for a greater American future, along with celebrating true American heroes who showed us the way in the past.

One of my favorite moments was celebrating Buzz Aldrin!! Think about it... millennial retards are still arguing that the earth is flat and the moon landing was fake, and here is a real American Hero who stood on the moon and planted the American flag. Even better, Trump celebrated future missions on American-made rockets! For those who remember gathering with family to watch the 1970's Apollo moon missions, this had to give you a chill. American is back in the space race!!

Trump put it all out there, a reminder of his accomplishments (that the pundits said couldn't be done) and an equally bold vision for the future. Strong support of the border wall and patriotism, protecting American interests both at home and abroad. No waivering on our friendship with Israel. How the Democrats still hold a majority of the jewish vote I will never understand.....?? Trump standing up to Iran and Russia and China. Even some success in North Korea and some small possibility for a major breakthrough!

Lots to celebrate on the economy, but does he really have to list every race and color for record low unemployment ever time he talks? I get it. Record low unemployment. Does it really help to play the "Identity politics' game and list black unemployment, latino, asian unemployment, women's unemployment, disabled unemployment, etc. I hate dividing America into categories of color. We are all Americans. Unemployment is record low for left-handed people, too. I get it.

If I had to critique anything, I thought the dig about the Mueller investigation was pretty vain and self-serving, and I don't recall hearing much about our commitment to the NATO alliance (other than our allies now paying more). And it remains to be seen if we can actually get out of these wars in Iraq/Syria/Afghanistan without the whole thing falling apart and becoming worse than when we started.

I think the Dems in the audience wearing silly Halloween costumes exposed themselves well for anyone watching, with the childish antics and grimacing over any Trump success. And I hope someone releases a copy of those fake white papers to see what Pelosi was pretending to read. Ha! Best of all, Trump called out the far left dream of Socialism, and forced the audience to show their true allegiance with the cameras rolling! Well done, Mr. President.

From: elkmtngear
06-Feb-19
Best moment: watching the self-serving Dem Women in white (out of protest), stand up and celebrate...they couldn't help themselves!

Well played, Sir!

From: longbeard
06-Feb-19
That was an exceptional speech by DJT!! He really did a great job hitting on all points from the war hero’s and the little girl, to foreign policy and the wall. Well done!

One of my favorite moments was watching Kamal Toe Harris shaking her head in self defiance as she listened to President Trump unveil his list of accomplishments. Also seeing a close up of old Bernie turning red as the whole audience applauded no to socialism!!

From: KSflatlander
06-Feb-19
A comparison between elected women wearing white clothing to call attention to women suffrage and the KKK is absolutely moronic.

From: jjs
06-Feb-19
The Haters hate and would love to see the country crash under Trump. As an independent conservative I heard a speech of lifting up instead of putting down, the only issue miss was the debt.

Illegal immigration is morally wrong, it drives down livable wage for the workers, increase the deficit on the social programs, medical care, education, crime and overall living standards and the DNC were sitting on their hands for approving this.

We have homelessness in our major cities that is not being address but the emphasis is on the illegals. If one of us send our underage kid off unintended to another country or state we would be charged with child abandonment and why is it acceptable for illegals to do it?

The DNC has moved to the socialist agenda and glad Trump called it out for what it is.

From: Grey Ghost
06-Feb-19
Well written and delivered speech. My compliments to the author, and to Trump.

Matt

From: Jeff Durnell
06-Feb-19
I think Kamonawannalaya Harris was actually shaking her head no to something the person beside her had just said to her, but the timing made it seem like she did it in response to the Prez.

From: KSflatlander
06-Feb-19
KPC- you mean like Trump calling attention to WWII and it’s honorable veterans at the SOTU? I mean WWII was resolved long ago so we shouldn’t honor those who fought with speech and symbolize. C’mon man. We should honor those American women who fought for women suffrage in the past and for equal pay today. Same for all veterans who sacrificed. Pay respect to those who changed America for the better.

Feel free to separate my words out of context and try to dismantle. However, I’m sure you get the point I’m making. HA/KS’s statement was moronic.

06-Feb-19
Come on KS, if you truly believed what you said about moronic actions include dragging up the past, how can you expect history to be relevant in any situation? I’m of firm belief that’s not the way you feel. Unless it involves a conservative appearance or approach.

Yes, he involved a few people and parts of American history to remind current Americans what separates us from everyone else. What makes our democracy unique. Good literature involves proof of your claims. Good communication to a nation does as well when you have had such a belligerent effort to erase that history.

Some of those poor women probably believed their actions were vindicated by what you say. However, I’m betting most everyone of them believed it was a win win for making an inuendo statement about Trump.

Have we not learned the dangers in idolizing sex, race, party, or a host of other things? I’d think so by now we’d all be able to say the problems this whole world has is based on the premise that special treatment and recognition is the first step towards creating a problem.

Women as a group, deserve no more celebration then men when it comes to what’s been sacrificed.

From: BowSniper
06-Feb-19
No one in a Halloween costume should be taken seriously.

From: HA/KS
06-Feb-19
Nancy acted like a 2 year old. My own 2 year olds never acted like that because they were taught to be better.

From: elkmtngear
06-Feb-19
"We should honor those American women who fought for women suffrage in the past and for equal pay today".

The whole "Women's March" has turned into nothing, but an anti-Trump rally...with every other "faction" piling on, and joining in. The White Suits had nothing to do with "Suffrage" IMHO...it was nothing more than a Political Statement.

If they were all in Solidarity for Women's rights, why not stand and applaud for "ending human trafficking/sexual assault"?

I'll tell you why not...Political posturing.

From: slade
06-Feb-19

From: KSflatlander
06-Feb-19
As Trump pointed out, there are more women in congress today than ever before. I agree with Trump when he said it as a good thing. So they wore white to symbolize and draw attention to women's issues...I have no issue with that. I do have issue with comparing them wearing white as a sign or similarity to the KKK. I stand behind my statement that the comparison is moronic. If you want to defend the comparison then have at it. It doesn't make the statement any less moronic.

From: BowSniper
06-Feb-19
It's no more moronic than libs saying Trump was some kind of a racist neo-Nazi after he simply said there were some good people on both sides in Charlottesville.

Both sides have some good people. Wow. If that is somehow racist, then so is wearing white to Congress in winter.

06-Feb-19
Ryan,

I agree with you that the comparison to wearing white outfits by Congresswomen in attendance at the SOTU to KKK attire is a bit ridiculous. Some of the same folks defending the wearing of MAGA hats at a pro-life rally now find it fair to criticize this? Wow!

From: TD
06-Feb-19
Yet wearing a red hat will get you banned from places...... called a racist and nazi.....

Love the way the left picks and chooses the sanity of what is to be read into "symbols"...... which they also feel is theirs to pick and choose....

FWIW...... pretty sure that "comparison" was sarcasm and a joke..... if it's one thing liberal leftists lack..... it's a sense of humor..... they are humorless and literal... even if they have no idea what they are being literal about.... "Perpetually offended" is the best description I have heard. They LIVE to be offended. It's their super power.....

Mine is I couldn't care less if they were offended..... suck it up buttercup, man up (using the mansplaining dialect.....hopefully even more offensive.... )

From: bowbender77
06-Feb-19
No mater what color they wear they are still butthurt over Trumps election and will continue to be butthurt for the next six years, from my point of view.

From: gflight
06-Feb-19
What did Trump say about the deficit, I missed it?

From: KSflatlander
06-Feb-19
KPC- you saying women's right issues (perceived or not) ended with the 19th amendment is like saying racism ended with the 13th amendment. Stop being so obtuse. It's exhausting.

From: TT-Pi
06-Feb-19
TD said it: "Perpetually offended" is the best description.

We won't be equal until the underdog/minority/disadvantaged get on with it. So they keep the fire burning. Just get on with it.

Point out injustice as it comes up. People that separate themselves ( IE: the white suits) are not accepting that there are others that are and have been fighting for them all along. They are falsely drawing an artificial circle as if no one else can relate. That's just ridiculous because most people can sympathize with injustice regardless of the specifics.

From: BowSniper
06-Feb-19
TD x2

From: HDE
06-Feb-19
"Hahah. Madam Secretary looking at him like;..."

Secretary!?!? She isn't a Cabinet member. Madam Speaker is the only thing she'll be for the next two years but now and going forward she is a putz.

From: lawdy
06-Feb-19
I loved the contingent all dressed in white. They looked like they were just getting back from a Klan meeting. Just what rights have those biddies lost with this administration? Our entire NH contingent is female. Muster acted like the rich horse’s ass she is. She came up here and lied through her teeth to us about helping us keep our town with this fed land grab. Every single bill in our state legislature taking away gun rights, coyote hunting, atv use, trapping, has been sponsored by Democrats. Now they are trying to pass a bill where you have to wait 5 days to buy ammo, no more than 20 rounds. That takes out buying a box of 22 ammo.

From: HA/KS
06-Feb-19

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How much of this is true?

From: Annony Mouse
06-Feb-19

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06-Feb-19

From: TD
06-Feb-19
All the MSM I have heard today has been to a tone of "well..... not that many watch the SOTU and they soon forget about it after...." NPR went on for some time about how "irrelevant" it is. Back to reality..... i would guess it likely near the top as to viewers.

You know someone's had their azz handed to em when their best defense is "well, it really didn't count....."

From: HA/KS
06-Feb-19
Mouse, that Stilton's Place is the funniest thing I have seen in a long time!

From: HA/KS
06-Feb-19

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06-Feb-19

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06-Feb-19

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From: KSflatlander
06-Feb-19
I only had one grievance and it was HA/KS’s moronic statement. You said it was moronic to celebrate something that was resolved long ago. I disagree. We celebrate the achievements of our past all the time and Trump rightfully did so in his SOTU. Singling out congresswoman who celebrate the 19th amendment is hypocritical and disingenuous. But you’re a smart guy...I think you already know that.

Trump’s SOTU was a very good speech and his delivery was the best I seen out of him thus far.

06-Feb-19

Habitat for Wildlife's Link
This didn't make the speech. It appears the trade disputes are having an impact as reported in the WSJ.

From: slade
07-Feb-19
Leave it to the Mask is off Faux Conservative Maverick, everything and anything is Trump's fault.

""The rise in farm bankruptcies represents a reckoning for rural America, which has suffered a multiyear slump in prices for corn, soybeans and other farm commodities touched off by a world-wide glut, made worse by growing competition from agriculture powerhouses such as Russia and Brazil. ""

Curt Hudnutt, who oversees rural banking for Rabobank North America, one of the biggest U.S. farm lenders, said that while its losses have been minimal so far, the bank’s farm-loan portfolio is deteriorating and he expects bankruptcies to increase among U.S. farmers this year.

“We thought 2019 would be the year things turned around,” said Mr. Hudnutt. “Then the trade dispute happened and that really put a damper on things.”

Nathan Kauffman, Omaha branch executive at the Kansas City Fed, called the recent rise in bankruptcies modest. He said that while further increases are likely, he doesn’t anticipate a sharp jump in filings, though the downturn in agriculture could drag on for years to come.

The slump in commodity prices followed a period of historic profitability in the Farm Belt, which left operators with significant cash reserves. Interest rates, while on the rise, have remained relatively low. Farmland values, a major factor in a farm’s net worth, have declined modestly, as demand for land continues from fund investors and large farms that are still well capitalized.

Nationwide, chapter 12 bankruptcy filings are below highs reached in 2010, when commodity prices dropped following the U.S. recession.

Keep licking KS's boots, he needs the help.............

07-Feb-19
Kevin,

As is often the case, bias exists on both sides...

Trade disputes are having an impact is a factual statement, regardless of what other variables are at play. You and Slade made assumptions...

From: BowSniper
07-Feb-19
What's disingenuous is to portray the existing trade relationship with China as tenable. If the trade war is successful in its application, the long term benefits will FAR outweigh any short term discomfort.

Cancer untreated will cause a slow painful death. Chemo and radiation treatment is more discomfort in the short term, to offer a real chance at long term survivability.

07-Feb-19
Sniper,

I agree with your statement. Why does sharing an article have some conclude anything other than it is sharing facts?

Many are concerned with our debt, but Farmers may need more assistance. Point being there are trade-offs.

Everything every politician does will effect others, sometimes in a positive way, sometimes not.

07-Feb-19
"Of course it does Frank. I never suggested otherwise."

As I never suggested any blame, that is why I shared the article in it's entirety.

From: BowSniper
07-Feb-19
HFW - Farm bankruptcy article or not, we are currently in an untenable trade deal with China and it has to be dealt with. One could post a thousand articles referencing a thousand different tangential effects, with a snippet implying each as some good or bad result. But the ROOT problem is our current bad trade deal with China and their aggressive economic warfare that we cannot continue to live with and remain an economic superpower.

Look at it like the battle against terrorism and radical Islam. Someone might post an article saying that our intervention just makes them angrier and creates more terrorists. But that ignores the current untenable situation where groups of radical islamists are trying to kill us, would happily kill ALL of us if afforded the time and opportunity to do so.... and only our greater aggressive intervention and risk of short term discomfort can possibly stop our certain long term destruction.

07-Feb-19
I have long held the position that trade practices with China are untenable. Their goal is domination, both economically and militarily. They believe the East will be superior to the West again.

Let's just have honest discussions and recognize not everything done is 'great' for everyone, especially in the short run.

From: TD
07-Feb-19
Anything else he might have missed? Speech was over an hour, near to Clinton's epic harangue...... maybe another hour or so might have touched on it.......

07-Feb-19

Habitat for Wildlife's Link
Make some more assumptions?

Maybe micro and macro are intertwined?

07-Feb-19
TD,

Probably just me out if sync again with the mindset here, but it is State Of...somehow trade, farming seem just a wee bit more important to the State Of to me than investigations. Hey, that's just me though. I accept we disagree and that's OK.

07-Feb-19
I watch it with keen interest Trax since I actually own land and produce crops for sale. Only 12 acres this year, but could put another 50 into production depending on CRP renewals. It matters as I near retirement. Counting on a little extra income, but yes our nation's security is more important to Robin and I both.

SMH though at all of the folks having an opinion without any skin in the game. Similar to the other thread where a guy in KY is trying to tell a CO land owner about wolves. Lots of experts, mainly getting their information on-line.

From: KSflatlander
07-Feb-19
I love it how KPC says HFW's statement about having skin in the game is offensive but when HA/KS posts moronic racist propaganda then he doesn't call him out on it. Maybe you should look up the word "offensive."

From: bad karma
07-Feb-19
Please describe the "moronic racist propaganda" you claim HA/KS is posting.

From: HDE
07-Feb-19
BK - you've actually been following all that pitter-patter squabbling going back and forth?

Wore me out a long time ago...

07-Feb-19
Ryan,

Thanks for noticing. As spike pointed out on a recent thread, Kevin would either respond to my comment on that thread or wait until a later one to pounce. He can't help himself. But, I will try to explain my reasoning in good faith.

Kevin,

Our purchase of our farm, like most major decisions in life, had multiple forces at play. Certainly recreational value was a high priority, as was my desire to have a 'Sand County' experiment of my own, being dedicated to wildlife conservation. Always though, as with every decision we have made that has a major potential impact on our future, long term finances were considered. The desire to be a income generator in later stages of life was, and remains a high priority for us. This no doubt is the kind of advice you extend to your professional clients.

The purchase was made during our peak earning years. At that time, we knew for the farm to be a revenue generator 10-15 years down the road we would have to "invest" in the quality of the land. You see, it was cash rented for 40 plus years and abused. No one wanted to farm it any longer, and with 60 acres of tillable only able to grow fescue for hay, there would not be a great return.

So, I made the decision to enroll it in CRP. What you call subsidized assistance, we have spent more each year improving the habitat, more by at least 2X. Those subsidies have provided spillover benefits to many, who do not pay for them. Please go look at my 'Things in Common' thread to see the amount of deer using just a small parcel of the property. My surrounding neighbors have all leased their land, and are receiving a higher dollar in rent because the word is out.

Other benefits include the multitude of non-game species that utilize the land, and might be completely gone in the area as only less than 3% of native grass prairie remains today. Please google to see the hundreds of species that need tall prairie grasses for suitable habitat.

The filtration provided by prairie grasses helps minimize agricultural herbicide and pesticide run-off. With up to one third of the root masses dying every year, no other plant life produces as much under-ground bio-mass as does prairie grasses. The benefits to agriculture in the future you can project intuitively no doubt. The air quality is also improved.

CRP also takes land out of crop production, thus having a supply effect on the market for crops-boosting farm revenue for others. No doubt one of the reasons the government does it, a positive side effect being the benefit to wildlife.

I can go on, but I assume a smart man like yourself knows all of this already. My point, actually witnessing first hand the money coming in from the government, versus the money going out-society at large is receiving benefits at a minimum commensurate with the "subsidy" received. I do not think of it as a subsidy, but rather a partial payment for work done that benefits others more than it does me.

OK, so to the part of 'adapt or die'...farmers surrounding us now are begging to rent our farm because of the investments I have made. Not just the bio-mass, but also spreading tons and tons of lime, adding nutrients as soil test recommend etc. Being close to retirement, I will need to calculate farm revenue from growing crops with as much certainty as possible, which is not much, and compare this to a "guaranteed" revenue stream of 15 years from CRP renewal, if available.

As you know I bet from all the sage advice you give your clients, crop prices, at least in the short run, have impacts on land values. I turn 60 next Friday, Robin is 62. We only have the short run. So far our farm has returned at least an equal growth as our other retirement assets. Decisions must be made wisely. To me and my way of thinking, this is a different kind of skin in the game. I will be disappointed in myself if the final decision for our farm is weighted more towards financial return than it is a commitment to conservation.

I will predict you will no doubt respond with another one of your parsed word responses trying to prove something. I didn't really write this essay for you, but any one else who might have cared enough to see why trump's position on trade is of special concern to myself and others right now. Yes we will all be affected, but some more than others. It is not whining, but an attempt to make a well informed decision.

07-Feb-19
Kevin,

I meant to add you sound like a liberal for being offended by my opinion. Thin skin for sure, but I say this knowing you will take another shot. Flail away...

07-Feb-19
Ok,

A) Prove I have complained. Pointing out a decision has an impact is not complaining. It is food for thought and discussion, except in your world.

B) What makes you think I cannot handle short term fluctuations in my investments? Have I ever shared anything with you that you have enough information to make that call? No, so I suggest you actually shut up Kevin.

If everything goes OK, we would like to bequeath the land as a conservancy, we are considering it. An act like that has tax implications, and timing makes a difference. And no, you do not have enough knowledge to offer advice. Just sit down, you are not even close to being the smartest guy in the room. Neither am I, but smart enough to know who to listen to and it is not a retail CFP.

From: KSflatlander
07-Feb-19
KPC- I have seen you post that you call people out for false info posted. I will say that most times you do and I respect you for that. It seems that you are cherry picking a bit.

From: HA/KS
07-Feb-19
Racist propaganda? Where? Educate me.

07-Feb-19
Spike, I sent you a PM explaining why I used the term democracy instead of republic. Thanks for keeping an eye on me bro. I need it. But, I used that term on purpose.

No where else in this world could a populist, previously labeled liberal, be elected on conservative promises, by a republic of people that are fed up with the abuse of their democratic government. Except America. God Bless men

From: itshot
07-Feb-19
the only propaganda is the notion that the white outfits at sotu had a damn thing to do with suffrage...

From: HA/KS
07-Feb-19

HA/KS's embedded Photo
HA/KS's embedded Photo

From: itshot
07-Feb-19
"offensive." is the sullen reaction by americans, elected to office, when the potus states "we will not be a socialist nation"

offensive is when the potus actually has to say that in a speech due to the leftist lunacy in leadership we have been experimenting with

07-Feb-19
KPC, you had better shut up before Frank gets mad at you.

I've got KPC the first round, within the first minute. Fista-cuffs or debate.

07-Feb-19
Spell check Kevin. I am sure your knowledge is Google based.

Justin, typical no class act on your part, a phony all the way through. God bless.

Thanks for the PM Ryan. All options are out there, but only if Robin will be fine after I am gone. Once locked in it cannot be reversed, so we need to be sure. Still too young yet.

From: HA/KS
07-Feb-19

HA/KS's embedded Photo
HA/KS's embedded Photo

07-Feb-19
Frank, That shut up line coming from you was comical. I just couldn't resist.

You strut around the CF with your repeated declarations of wanting debate, using any and all inflammatory methods necessary to get it, and then twist it as if you were unfairly labeled or attacked. It's grown old and used up. Juvenile even. So, I figured I'd drop down to that level and be juvenile too. Simply, you like taking pot shots at people. So, I returned the favor.

07-Feb-19
Justin,

I love honest debate, and believe an honest individual would recognize that sharing as much personal information as I did was exactly for that purpose.

I also think an honest person would recognize not only my areas for improvement, but their own as well and, that of another who constantly parses words to annoy people, claiming at times words mean something, other times they don't. ;-) words like strut and juvenile are inflammatory, right? Practice what you preach?

But, if you are sincere about both improving, let's do it. Maybe we can react with PMs to each other before posting juvenile attacks like we both did?

07-Feb-19
Frank, I'm not being mean but, I have no interest in exchanging PM's with you. Your version of them simply does not coincide with the reality of the exchanges. Been down that road and have no intent to do it again. So, don't bother sending me anymore to "debate" your intent, your personality, your actions, or your character . They will go unanswered.

Just be aware of what I've said here as I've said it about 50 times now. I truly do not care what you think of me, my faith, my actions, etc.... Because you seem to have your own impressions of all this that you like to gossip about in your PM's. I know why you are mad. I know why you feel like I'm judgmental. I'm not ignorant or blind to any of that. So, just continue along those lines. Because I have little time or, the mental fortitude to debate what you turn every debate we've had, into.

I'm not trying to be mean. I'm not trying to be hard hearted. I'm just well aware that life is too short to try and spend my time talking with people that have no intentions of doing so without feeding their ulterior motives.

You take care. I wish you no harm. I'm just not going to participate in your games of folly. Good night and God Bless

08-Feb-19
Justin,

I did not send you a PM. I would not again as I said the last time. As I said above you are a phony. I also am not trying to be mean, just point blank honest.

You are a blind man. On this thread I was the second person who wrote shut up, but as always you only challenge someone who disagrees with you. I learned that in our exchanges, both open and in PMs. You cannot change, and yes I am convinced your beliefs allow you to be judgmental of others while being blind to your own faults. We do not debate Justin, you take a personal shot like you did on this thread, a shot which has nothing to do with the discussion. When challenged back you play victim, yet Trump your hero gets a free pass for not letting challenges go unanswered. You are one of the most inconsistent individuals I read here, belittling people and then pretending you are not being mean.

I assume no one I know only except over a forum really cares what any one thinks. You should assume the same.

I sincerely wish you no harm as well, I will respond to your cheap shots, again, I recognize you cannot help it. And I cannot help standing up to bullies.

08-Feb-19
I believe you recognize from what I have said, we are researching. Close friends have done this. Counsel came from a company with legal, tax experts with this process. There is more than just one option to leaving land.

Kevin, my biggest concern is that my farm, even left in a conservation trust, may prove futile due to surrounding farm practices, multiple pipelines etc. that can cause the habitat to become fragmented. If so, our goal of leaving it to benefit wildlife would become marginalized.

Maybe that offers insight into many factors being considered.

Again, I claim no expertise, but am aware of land going through this process by close friends of more than 20 years.

I guess I will admit my shot back about a retail CFP was fueled by your economics comments. See, exactly the reaction I keep pointing out Trump gets.

Sincere thanks.

From: BowSniper
08-Feb-19
It seems every thread devolves into the same few guys badgering each other into stalemate/stagnation.

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