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From: Coyote 65
01-Feb-19
Heard on the news that the SOTU is scheduled for next week. Is Trump going to declare a national emergency, so he can get the wall built, or is he going to kick the can down the road?

Terry

From: Huntcell
01-Feb-19
I think he is going to introduce his new 20 something pregnant Russian girlfriend and blow all the politicians minds . There’s their Russian collusion .

Then he will MAGA!!!!!!!!

From: TT-Pi
01-Feb-19
Good one Huntcell.

I think it will be a declaration of intention and his reasoning why. He has it shined up now. Question is will N.P. blow a fuse. Will she show up? He's got this.

From: HedgeHunter
02-Feb-19
Will they wheel Ginsberg in and post her up front?

Going to be prolly be the most watched Sotus every i imagine!

MAGA

HH

From: Shuteye
02-Feb-19
Pelosi didn't want him to give the state of the union because things are so much better than the democrats thought was possible. I am glad she held it off so now Trump can brag about the jobs created in January. They all thought with the government shutdown the jobs number would be way down. Trump will build the wall, one way or the other.

From: Jimbo
02-Feb-19
The theme of his speech will be "unity."

02-Feb-19
:-)

From: Two Feathers
02-Feb-19
HH if memory serves me RBG was a no show at the SOTU last year.

From: HedgeHunter
02-Feb-19
She was.

be a blistering for Nevercrat’s to hear.

See if Speaker can keep control?

HH~

From: memengako
02-Feb-19
The very Dark Net rumor mill speculates she's in Area 51 in deep coma laying next to the aliens being preserved until a Demon President get elected in 2020 for a funeral pageantry like McStain's.

From: Woods Walker
02-Feb-19
They've done it with Lincoln, why not RBG?

From: HA/KS
04-Feb-19

HA/KS's embedded Photo
HA/KS's embedded Photo

From: elkmtngear
04-Feb-19
Can't wait to watch Nancy suck on her dentures...

04-Feb-19
The State of the Union address Will be watched by more people than those who watched grown men play a game yesterday.

From: JTV
04-Feb-19
and will be more interesting also ^^

04-Feb-19
Praying DJT scores a lot higher!

From: TT-Pi
04-Feb-19
Trump colluded with Kraft...

From: JTV
04-Feb-19
CNN colluded with the FBI or the other way around ....hehehe ....... there is now evidence showing Andrew Weissman sent notice to CNN alerting them prior to the raid on Stone ...... just sayin' .......

From: bigswivle
04-Feb-19
It’s obvious mueller has a hard on for Stone

From: JTV
04-Feb-19
Stone wont lie nor roll on Trump ... neither will Corsi and Corsi has that huge law suit against Mueller too .....

From: Tonybear61
05-Feb-19
Nancy was definitely sucking on her dentures, eating peanut butter or under the influence of alcohol, prescription meds; or all 4 the last time she spoke in public. Good God she could hardly string sentences together. Embarrassment for her party, and this country as Speaker of the House.

Any one else notice a non-elected politician will be giving the rebuttal to the State of the Union?

From: HedgeHunter
05-Feb-19
The Ol Gap tooth giving the response.

Nevercrat’s using poor gap tooth.

Even GA ciuld not see clear to let a bomb throwing gapper into Govs mansion!

Now we gonna the Party of Never tell us how we were better in BO’s recession. Roger.

HH~

From: Will
05-Feb-19
Mike, I sure hope so. I watched the super bowl. I would have if the Browns were playing the Cardinals as well, the fact the Pat's were in it was just a bonus for my favorite team.

But like the guy or not, it's the president of the US discussing his ideas with us. Everyone in the country with a TV should turn it on and watch or listen on the radio if you dont want to see half the humans in attendance stand and applaud like Sony Michelle just scored a touchdown with 7' to go in the super bowl and the other half look like KC fans about 5' into OT 2 weeks ago.

Im not a fan of the guy, but Ill watch it with an open mind to hear his ideas unfiltered and get a sense of what he feels is important the next 2 years.

FYI - for the same reason, I'd encourage folks to suck up the discomfort and listen to the rebuttals. You dont have to like it, but it's worth hearing.

From: elkmtngear
05-Feb-19
"FYI - for the same reason, I'd encourage folks to suck up the discomfort and listen to the rebuttals".

Listen to Abrams explain to the American People, how she was "whitewashed" out of the Election? Nah, I'm good...

05-Feb-19
I can tell you what the rebuttals will be. The polar opposite of what Trumps agenda is. He says go left, they’ll say right is the only way to be moral, compassionate, etc... He says up, they’ll say down. He says, forward, they’ll say backward.

That’s the problem regardless of what you think about Trump. Because Incase you left leaning guys have been asleep, most of what Trump wants and has promised, seems to be only contradicted by the senate and congress.

Sure, you can go to places that vote party lines, and find average citizens that disagree with him. But, if you get into average America, the large majority finds his policies right in line with the most pressing issues threatening this country today. Whether they like him or not.

From: TT-Pi
05-Feb-19
WV Mountain- Spot on. A critique of ideas is fine but its already a "rebuttal". I guess we need a "rebuttal debate" ... when did this become popular? Automatic. Predictable... Acceptable.

Sadly the other team will tell their people what to think and they will begin to think it even if they didn't when listening to the President. Then the next week of spinning and brainwashing...Again.

My buddy "Massachusetts-Will" recently posted the way that is done and some great techniques to sell it. ( whatever your selling) He's not the bad guy, just the messenger. I stand with him. I bust his nuts enough to show that opposition is in open season, with no bag limit, even in Ma. -Pi

From: JTV
05-Feb-19
No way on Gods green earth will I listen to the lefts rebutal, I dont listen to their lies as it is ... it will be like if PutZ was giving it ... I'll pass ..

From: South Farm
05-Feb-19
10:1 Pelosi gets up and walks out at the first mention of a wall! What do you think??

From: Trax
05-Feb-19
Pelosi the old dumb prune would never give up the limelight. She'll want to sit there and grimace and play with her wooden teeth. But it would be great if she left. President Trump should have some walk out music ready to go. Play "Hammer Time" as in the wall or maybe "U can't touch this". Beautiful!

From: bigswivle
05-Feb-19
He needs to focus on his audience watching across the country not what’s gonna happen on the house floor. Let Americans make up there own minds.

From: Bob H in NH
05-Feb-19
Wonder what would happen if Trump changed the speech drastically after giving it out, and the rebuttal is then rebutting the wrong speech :-)

From: Franzen
05-Feb-19
I'm confused as to why the "rebuttal" should be watched other than for sheep... I mean people, that need to be told what to think about bad Mr. Trump's concerns and agenda for this country. If I don't like something he has to say, I don't need to watch some rebuttal to figure it out; I'll have my own rebuttal.

From: TD
05-Feb-19
I was kinda hoping AOC would get the gig......

That I'd watch on pay per view.....

From: JTV
05-Feb-19
Schumer and his socialist lefties are ALREADY denigrating Trumps speech, and it aitn even out yet !! .... I absolutely despise those democrat clowns with a passion ...

From: KSflatlander
05-Feb-19
Refusing to watch the rebuttal whether left or right side is the definition of blind sheep behavior IMO.

From: nijimasu
05-Feb-19

nijimasu's Link
Not listening to address because you don't want to hear it

From: nijimasu
05-Feb-19

nijimasu's Link
Not listening to the rebuttal because you don't want to hear it

From: JTV
05-Feb-19
Not listening to nut case liberal socialist loons denigrate and put down this country is the correct thing to do .... piss on those baby killing racist America Haters ... :0)

From: Bob H in NH
05-Feb-19
Pro lem is that's exactly what the other side sounds like. Look up the dem who isn't going cause he doesn't want to hear trumps lies.

Thus country and politics is broken. Trump is our only chance to fix it, but the issue is the Rs have almost as much to lose as the Ds

From: Franzen
05-Feb-19
KSflatlander, if one can and does think for his or her self, there isn't any need to watch a pointless rebuttal. If you are unable to think for yourself, and need the big D's to tell you what you need to think, then wear the shoe.

From: JTV
05-Feb-19
The Dems are not worthy of being listened to ... not with all their Trump/America hate .... "The Democrats, the party of obstruction" !! ....

From: elkmtngear
05-Feb-19
Dems know they NEED a rebuttal...to keep from losing more voters!

SSSHHHH...it's OK, sheeple...none of what the Orange Man says is true, or relevant!

From: DRR324
05-Feb-19
I just truly hope he sticks to the script and doesn't ad lib after every comment "it's great- it really is", etc. Just read the speech and let the Dems rot in their own waste.

From: JTV
05-Feb-19

JTV's Link
"The Dems who are boycotting the STOU" .... who the hell needs these dim witts there anyways ... if anything it shows how biased they are and proves they are the party of obstruction ...

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/democrats-boycotting-state-of-the-union-2019

05-Feb-19
And trumps lies are worthy? Please man

There isn’t one Dem for open borders. Period. No wall is no wall.

This is a man that spends most of his time watching tv and tweeting.

Foreign affairs? He doesn’t even consult his own advisors.

He’s a sham. The SOTU will be his platform to sell his wall. It won’t work. He won’t change anyone’s mind and it will be all bluster and pointless.

Tonight, when Trump mentions: — "Family values," remember children in cages. Separated from their mothers.

—"Fiscal responsibility," $1.5T in tax cuts for the rich. With no benefit to the middle class

—"America first," concessions to Putin & Kim. And lies about ISIS being defeated.

—"Border security," a useless wall.

—"Unity," attacks on Schumer and Pelosi and being president only for his base with no interest in unifying this nation.

From: JTV
05-Feb-19
LIES ... LIES ... and more LIES of the PutZedian klan ^^^.... thanks for showing your stupidity once again PutZ ...

From: KSflatlander
05-Feb-19
Franzen- if you only get your information from one side how is that even close to thinking for yourself? That’s called living in an alternate reality. Simply narrow minded IMO.

05-Feb-19
excerpts of his speech were just released. No mention of a wall. Did he give up on it?

From: HedgeHunter
05-Feb-19
DJT has told us what he’s gonna do up front.

This is last call for The Nevercrats to grab a handle and hang on or help with the problem.

I would watch both, Sotu and Gap Tooth but im “in the land time forgot huntin hogs”, gap tooths home state.

Looks like she been on a few to many smoked hog knuckles, cornpone to me. That’s ok cuz that suff is gud eats.

I will catch the sound bites later.

HH~

From: Annony Mouse
05-Feb-19
Pretty decent speech...

Pelosi keeps sucking on her wooden dentures... And the smirk on her face when Trump mentions the walls of the specials like her.

From: Jim Moore
05-Feb-19
Kamala Harris is really assed up. What’s with all the socialists wearing white?

From: JTV
05-Feb-19
Hey PutZ, You blew it again or you lied .... Trump is talking about the Wall/Barrier NOW ....ooopsie !!

05-Feb-19
It is a solid speech so far. Strong opening!

From: JTV
05-Feb-19
Not only did you blow it here PutZ, but using/stealing anothers facebook post/page about insulin and trying to pass it off as your own is sickening ... Paul Zedian, you are a sick person, mentally sick ...

From: JTV
05-Feb-19
A very good speech ...

From: longbeard
05-Feb-19
PutZ shouldn’t you be talking to your lawyer about not talking about things/people? Just asking

From: KSflatlander
05-Feb-19
Excellent speech by Trump. One of the best SOTU speeches I have heard. Well done Mr. President.

From: K Cummings
05-Feb-19
Excellent speech. God bless America.

KPC

From: Rhody
05-Feb-19
Thank you demos, you've shown the crass and heartlessness of the demo platform by not standing up for the newborn...

The amount of actual accomplishments that Trump has achieved would have never been known if Trump hadn't said it at the state of the union, you'd never know.

From: bowbender77
05-Feb-19
Great speech Mr. President. A speech like that has a way of separating the Pukes from the Patriots.

From: Fivers
05-Feb-19
What the hell is she talking about???

From: KSflatlander
05-Feb-19
I thought the rebuttal speech was considerably weak. Some points I agreed with but weak regardless IMO.

From: canepole
05-Feb-19
If seeing those three WW 2 hero's and Buz Aldrin didn't send a chill through you and make you feel extra proud to be an American there must be something wrong with you! Great speech also!

From: slade
05-Feb-19
The new face of the Democrat party, White robbed pinched faced feminazi's....

From: slade
05-Feb-19
DISGRACEFUL. Speaker Pelosi Tweets Attacks on President Trump — Shuffles Through Papers During His SOTU Speech

From: slade
05-Feb-19

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slade's embedded Photo

From: slade
05-Feb-19

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slade's embedded Photo

From: Norseman
05-Feb-19
Socialist women that applauded “only in America” And chanted U.S.A!!!

They don’t even know what hit them....

From: Fivers
05-Feb-19
I liked how they thought the comment about women making up xx% of the workforce was about them! They all got up and cheered for themselves, even though most of them were never in the workforce...at least recently. Those women had absolutely zero to do with the increase of women in the workforce.

From: gflight
05-Feb-19
Well, looks like Trump's finally going to Vietnam...

From: Shuteye
05-Feb-19
Those two body guards could probably kill you with their bare hands. I would love to have what they are packing though.

From: TT-Pi
05-Feb-19
Socialism? Not in Our House!

Bernie went red and cried. Priceless.

Nancy : She was reading it to find out what's in it. That's a first. What a goof.

A WIN for TRUMP. A WIN for AMERICA. Big Loss for the Socialist ... Well Done Mr. President!

From: Rhody
05-Feb-19
Those women were caught off guard on so many things that were pro women, it took the mentally prepared to comprehend what Trump had said and when you watch their delayed reaction, oh so slowly the dim bulbs in their eye started to lighten up that Trump actually said something PRO WOMAN.... their white protest was made mute by Trumps promotions and policies of women. Trump was so masterful in ending his SOTU speech with these women dancing in their seats supporting what has been achieved. The illusion of support for Trump by the Democratic Socialist Party.....

From: Two Feathers
05-Feb-19
Like Rhody said: "The amount of actual accomplishments that Trump has achieved would have never been known if Trump hadn't said it at the state of the union, you'd never know." Glad I didn't miss it.

From: slade
06-Feb-19
Winning

When will the bowlibs and Blatherskiting Never Trump Butt-Hurt Mavericks learn..

From: slade
06-Feb-19
Trump: ‘All Children – Born and Unborn – Are Made in the Holy Image of God

When was the last time you heard a sitting President say this in a speech of this significance?

From: slade
06-Feb-19
Right on Stacy, keep blathering.

Democrat Stacey Abrams gave her party’s official response to President Donald Trump’s State of the Union address and claimed that his policies were hurting the American economy.

Speaking before an almost entirely female audience — which stood silently throughout — Abrams declared: “The Republican tax bill rigged the system against working people. Rather than bringing back jobs, plants are closing, layoffs are looming, and wages struggle to keep pace with the actual cost of living,” she claimed.

From: HA/KS
06-Feb-19
Dems in white KKK and SOTU

From: HA/KS
06-Feb-19

HA/KS's embedded Photo
HA/KS's embedded Photo

From: HA/KS
06-Feb-19

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HA/KS's embedded Photo

From: Owl
06-Feb-19
Honestly, HA/KS, that's all I could think about when I saw all those Dems in white - especially when they sat on their hands regarding Trump mentioning the need to ban late-term abortions. God instructs in many ways but one of His favorites must be irony.

Great speech. Gold star on everything but the N Korea claim.

06-Feb-19
Great Speech from what I've seen it. Missed it last night and awoke at 5 this morning to catch what I could of it. What a great President this man has been for the American people.

From: Dirk Diggler
06-Feb-19

Dirk Diggler's Link
Here it is in its entirety in case you missed it.

06-Feb-19
One of the best, all encompassing, SOTU speeches I have heard. The only time the dems would applaud, is when NP would instruct them too. The blind leading the sheep...Trump couldn’t have come to us at a better time.

From: HedgeHunter
06-Feb-19
Trump has been running circles around these butt monkees.

Kept speech close hold and the exact opposite of what Dems thought.

They all were stunned in white lynch mob garb.

The attack by Gap Tooth was expected and made the address look that much better.

For you socialists. He is telling you up front. Not on my watch and a huge percentage of America agrees by any measure.

You lib Chickens Hawks been making so much noise. To bad 75% of America lets it go in one ear and out the other.

HH~

06-Feb-19

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Hahah. Madam Secretary looking at him like; “look at this developmentally delayed little boy, he just did number two! Good boy!”

Hahahaha.

From: Franzen
06-Feb-19
I apologize in advance for my potential ignorance here, as I was battling my 2 year old for a good portion of the speech, and unable to focus on watching some parts. I tried to listen in the background, but admittedly did not catch it all. Did Trump even mention the elephant in the room that is our $22T debt? That is a big weak point for me if not, as I consider that something that should have been essential in this address. I also don't think the way he mentioned the whole "investigations" thing made him look good.

President Trump has come a long way, and he did a good job of getting away from "We do great things, the best things, the bestest of the best things in fact". He made the liberal Dems look really bad on his points regarding socialism and abortion. Personally, I think too much time was devoted to the criminal justice reform for a SOTU, but it made for a nice story line or two.

KSflatlander, I don't get information from a side, but if you struggle with that, then by all means be sure to keep yourself in check. The "rebuttal" should not really even be a thing, as there is no official purpose as far as I know. It is about nothing more than political posturing, regardless of whether it is the D's or R's presenting. Of course there is plenty of political posturing in the SOTU as well, but at least there is a reason for the address. The SOTU is the President's address, that is it and that is all.

From: BowSniper
06-Feb-19
What a great speech !! Trump looked comfortable and confident, and I thought his speech conveyed some real sincerity. He believes what he is saying, and it shows. I thought the speech overall was an excellent mix seeking unity for a greater American future, along with celebrating true American heroes who showed us the way in the past.

One of my favorite moments was celebrating Buzz Aldrin!! Think about it... millennial retards are still arguing that the earth is flat and the moon landing was fake, and here is a real American Hero who stood on the moon and planted the American flag. Even better, Trump celebrated future missions on American-made rockets! For those who remember gathering with family to watch the 1970's Apollo moon missions, this had to give you a chill. American is back in the space race!!

Trump put it all out there, a reminder of his accomplishments (that the pundits said couldn't be done) and an equally bold vision for the future. Strong support of the border wall and patriotism, protecting American interests both at home and abroad. No waivering on our friendship with Israel. How the Democrats still hold a majority of the jewish vote I will never understand.....?? Trump standing up to Iran and Russia and China. Even some success in North Korea and some small possibility for a major breakthrough!

Lots to celebrate on the economy, but does he really have to list every race and color for record low unemployment ever time he talks? I get it. Record low unemployment. Does it really help to play the "Identity politics' game and list black unemployment, latino, asian unemployment, women's unemployment, disabled unemployment, etc. I hate dividing America into categories of color. We are all Americans. Unemployment is record low for left-handed people, too. I get it.

If I had to critique anything, I thought the dig about the Mueller investigation was pretty vain and self-serving, and I don't recall hearing much about our commitment to the NATO alliance (other than our allies now paying more). And it remains to be seen if we can actually get out of these wars in Iraq/Syria/Afghanistan without the whole thing falling apart and becoming worse than when we started.

I think the Dems in the audience wearing silly Halloween costumes exposed themselves well for anyone watching, with the childish antics and grimacing over any Trump success. And I hope someone releases a copy of those fake white papers to see what Pelosi was pretending to read. Ha! Best of all, Trump called out the far left dream of Socialism, and forced the audience to show their true allegiance with the cameras rolling! Well done, Mr. President.

From: elkmtngear
06-Feb-19
Best moment: watching the self-serving Dem Women in white (out of protest), stand up and celebrate...they couldn't help themselves!

Well played, Sir!

From: longbeard
06-Feb-19
That was an exceptional speech by DJT!! He really did a great job hitting on all points from the war hero’s and the little girl, to foreign policy and the wall. Well done!

One of my favorite moments was watching Kamal Toe Harris shaking her head in self defiance as she listened to President Trump unveil his list of accomplishments. Also seeing a close up of old Bernie turning red as the whole audience applauded no to socialism!!

06-Feb-19
I agree, it was a very good speech!!

Of course, the Demon talking point for today is to call him Psychotic!!

Those tools are just amazing!

From: KSflatlander
06-Feb-19
A comparison between elected women wearing white clothing to call attention to women suffrage and the KKK is absolutely moronic.

From: K Cummings
06-Feb-19
"A comparison between elected women wearing white clothing to call attention to women suffrage and the KKK is absolutely moronic."

Maybe so, but not quite as moronic as calling attention to something that was resolved a century ago.

KPC

From: jjs
06-Feb-19
The Haters hate and would love to see the country crash under Trump. As an independent conservative I heard a speech of lifting up instead of putting down, the only issue miss was the debt.

Illegal immigration is morally wrong, it drives down livable wage for the workers, increase the deficit on the social programs, medical care, education, crime and overall living standards and the DNC were sitting on their hands for approving this.

We have homelessness in our major cities that is not being address but the emphasis is on the illegals. If one of us send our underage kid off unintended to another country or state we would be charged with child abandonment and why is it acceptable for illegals to do it?

The DNC has moved to the socialist agenda and glad Trump called it out for what it is.

From: Grey Ghost
06-Feb-19
Well written and delivered speech. My compliments to the author, and to Trump.

Matt

From: JTV
06-Feb-19

JTV's embedded Photo
JTV's embedded Photo
Poor little Bernie .... No Socialism for America .....

From: Jeff Durnell
06-Feb-19
I think Kamonawannalaya Harris was actually shaking her head no to something the person beside her had just said to her, but the timing made it seem like she did it in response to the Prez.

From: Trax
06-Feb-19
The real elephant in the room is socialism, and while the president addressed it I was hoping he'd be a bit more aggressive. I also thought he would be more defining in the options regarding our border security. He did make it clear the wall will be built once again, but I would have liked him to break down the multiple options. One being with the support of Congress. He added the Trumpian flavor, and it did address substance the best any SOTU speech will, but it was a campaign speech. The women covered in toilet paper and old Nancy playing with her wooden teeth and trying to look relevant was probably the best part as it added constant entertainment. President Trump played the nice guy last night, privately he's ready to rip some doughnut holes to shreds. Not just with Congress either.

From: KSflatlander
06-Feb-19
KPC- you mean like Trump calling attention to WWII and it’s honorable veterans at the SOTU? I mean WWII was resolved long ago so we shouldn’t honor those who fought with speech and symbolize. C’mon man. We should honor those American women who fought for women suffrage in the past and for equal pay today. Same for all veterans who sacrificed. Pay respect to those who changed America for the better.

Feel free to separate my words out of context and try to dismantle. However, I’m sure you get the point I’m making. HA/KS’s statement was moronic.

06-Feb-19
Come on KS, if you truly believed what you said about moronic actions include dragging up the past, how can you expect history to be relevant in any situation? I’m of firm belief that’s not the way you feel. Unless it involves a conservative appearance or approach.

Yes, he involved a few people and parts of American history to remind current Americans what separates us from everyone else. What makes our democracy unique. Good literature involves proof of your claims. Good communication to a nation does as well when you have had such a belligerent effort to erase that history.

Some of those poor women probably believed their actions were vindicated by what you say. However, I’m betting most everyone of them believed it was a win win for making an inuendo statement about Trump.

Have we not learned the dangers in idolizing sex, race, party, or a host of other things? I’d think so by now we’d all be able to say the problems this whole world has is based on the premise that special treatment and recognition is the first step towards creating a problem.

Women as a group, deserve no more celebration then men when it comes to what’s been sacrificed.

From: Trax
06-Feb-19
Exactly WV, shut up and get to work.

From: K Cummings
06-Feb-19
"KPC- you mean like Trump calling attention to WWII and it’s honorable veterans at the SOTU?"

Ummm...no. It's nothing like that.

Those brave men were there for a very specific reason. To illustrate what is at risk if this country continues on a path to the left. They put their lives on the line for to fight against the very things that are we are fighting against and for today, socialism and our country's sovereignty. It was a VERY poignant and real reminder of what they fought for, and many died to protect, and how we are really only one generation away from losing it.

Unlike suffrage of course. Has Trump (or any Republican for that matter) suggested in any way that the right to vote should be taken away from women, or that women shouldn't make equal pay for equal work?

Of course not. It was as dumb as wearing pussy hats.

KPC

From: BowSniper
06-Feb-19
No one in a Halloween costume should be taken seriously.

From: HA/KS
06-Feb-19
Nancy acted like a 2 year old. My own 2 year olds never acted like that because they were taught to be better.

From: elkmtngear
06-Feb-19
"We should honor those American women who fought for women suffrage in the past and for equal pay today".

The whole "Women's March" has turned into nothing, but an anti-Trump rally...with every other "faction" piling on, and joining in. The White Suits had nothing to do with "Suffrage" IMHO...it was nothing more than a Political Statement.

If they were all in Solidarity for Women's rights, why not stand and applaud for "ending human trafficking/sexual assault"?

I'll tell you why not...Political posturing.

From: Trax
06-Feb-19
Old hag Pelosi is irrelevant. President Trump wipes his feet off on her at every meet and the young Commie hybrid socialists in her own Party want her out. She and Chuck the smiling possum can work with the president, or he will simply work around them.

From: JTV
06-Feb-19

JTV's Link
The dems have no shame ....

https://pjmedia.com/video/dems-stone-faced-as-trump-describes-execution-of-newborn-babies-in-post-birth-abortions/

From: HedgeHunter
06-Feb-19
They have a real issue now. Do Libs follow the radicals down the worm hole?

Do they have some folks move to left center for a play for the front.

Does some Fems run as independents?

Trump has masterfully made them have to choose. Either way they playing for 2 nd spot in General 2020.

Flake and Kasich know know , they are toast!!

HH

From: JTV
06-Feb-19
The dems will continue with their ridiculous onslaughts on Trump, I still dont expect a settlement with the Wall/Barrier/Border .... the dems must discount Trump at all costs and demean/besmirch him to try to prevent him from winning 2020..... they will not 'give' him a win ... the dems have proven they are the lowest of the low... we seen it on here via the PutZedians, the dems show it with their radical base and their leaders ... It is a sad time to be a Democrat (well it is a sad time anytime to identify as a dem ...lol ..) ... ...

From: slade
06-Feb-19

From: KSflatlander
06-Feb-19
As Trump pointed out, there are more women in congress today than ever before. I agree with Trump when he said it as a good thing. So they wore white to symbolize and draw attention to women's issues...I have no issue with that. I do have issue with comparing them wearing white as a sign or similarity to the KKK. I stand behind my statement that the comparison is moronic. If you want to defend the comparison then have at it. It doesn't make the statement any less moronic.

From: K Cummings
06-Feb-19
"If you want to defend the comparison then have at it. It doesn't make the statement any less moronic."

I didn't, but we both know that. I simply stated that in terms of being moronic, calling attention to an issue that was fixed a century ago is just as bad, if not worse, than bringing attention to a currently relevant concern.

KPC

From: BowSniper
06-Feb-19
It's no more moronic than libs saying Trump was some kind of a racist neo-Nazi after he simply said there were some good people on both sides in Charlottesville.

Both sides have some good people. Wow. If that is somehow racist, then so is wearing white to Congress in winter.

06-Feb-19
Ryan,

I agree with you that the comparison to wearing white outfits by Congresswomen in attendance at the SOTU to KKK attire is a bit ridiculous. Some of the same folks defending the wearing of MAGA hats at a pro-life rally now find it fair to criticize this? Wow!

From: TD
06-Feb-19
Yet wearing a red hat will get you banned from places...... called a racist and nazi.....

Love the way the left picks and chooses the sanity of what is to be read into "symbols"...... which they also feel is theirs to pick and choose....

FWIW...... pretty sure that "comparison" was sarcasm and a joke..... if it's one thing liberal leftists lack..... it's a sense of humor..... they are humorless and literal... even if they have no idea what they are being literal about.... "Perpetually offended" is the best description I have heard. They LIVE to be offended. It's their super power.....

Mine is I couldn't care less if they were offended..... suck it up buttercup, man up (using the mansplaining dialect.....hopefully even more offensive.... )

From: bowbender77
06-Feb-19
No mater what color they wear they are still butthurt over Trumps election and will continue to be butthurt for the next six years, from my point of view.

From: gflight
06-Feb-19
What did Trump say about the deficit, I missed it?

From: KSflatlander
06-Feb-19
KPC- you saying women's right issues (perceived or not) ended with the 19th amendment is like saying racism ended with the 13th amendment. Stop being so obtuse. It's exhausting.

From: TT-Pi
06-Feb-19
TD said it: "Perpetually offended" is the best description.

We won't be equal until the underdog/minority/disadvantaged get on with it. So they keep the fire burning. Just get on with it.

Point out injustice as it comes up. People that separate themselves ( IE: the white suits) are not accepting that there are others that are and have been fighting for them all along. They are falsely drawing an artificial circle as if no one else can relate. That's just ridiculous because most people can sympathize with injustice regardless of the specifics.

From: HedgeHunter
06-Feb-19
Until they get the deal the South Afrikans got they wont stop.

So, S Afrika is what? The second most dangerous country behind El Slvador?

Yeah, fuk Reparations.

Get yer money from Portugese or British. We did not run that bidness.

Libs are like watching the last of prehistoric reptiles dying off or growing chicken hawk feathers.

HH~

From: BowSniper
06-Feb-19
TD x2

From: HDE
06-Feb-19
"Hahah. Madam Secretary looking at him like;..."

Secretary!?!? She isn't a Cabinet member. Madam Speaker is the only thing she'll be for the next two years but now and going forward she is a putz.

From: JTV
06-Feb-19
Heck, even Pelosi wouldnt stoop as low as PutZ and use anothers Facebook page as hers as PutZ's did using Ethans .... what a bastid PutZ is ...

From: lawdy
06-Feb-19
I loved the contingent all dressed in white. They looked like they were just getting back from a Klan meeting. Just what rights have those biddies lost with this administration? Our entire NH contingent is female. Muster acted like the rich horse’s ass she is. She came up here and lied through her teeth to us about helping us keep our town with this fed land grab. Every single bill in our state legislature taking away gun rights, coyote hunting, atv use, trapping, has been sponsored by Democrats. Now they are trying to pass a bill where you have to wait 5 days to buy ammo, no more than 20 rounds. That takes out buying a box of 22 ammo.

From: HA/KS
06-Feb-19

HA/KS's embedded Photo
HA/KS's embedded Photo
How much of this is true?

From: Annony Mouse
06-Feb-19

From: Annony Mouse
06-Feb-19

From: JTV
06-Feb-19
Fortune.com ..... per Abrams herself .. "One of the traditional rites of passage for political candidates is the revelation of financial status–a catechism-like recital of money mistakes made and debts owed. As a candidate for governor of Georgia, I have spent the past few weeks dealing with the fallout from my personal financial disclosure report. As everyone following the race now knows, I owe the IRS over $50,000 in deferred tax payments (I am currently on a repayment plan) and hold more than $170,000 in credit card and student loan debt."

From: JTV
06-Feb-19

JTV's Link
a little eye of the "Newt" ... Gingrich that is .. btw, look at the poll #'s against Kasich ...ouch !

"However, CBS found widespread approval for Trump’s State of the Union. Among independents, 82 percent approved. Democrats only gave 30 percent approval while Republicans (as might be expected) gave the speech 97 percent approval.

The 97 percent approval among Republicans, when combined with the 90-10 Trump over Kasich numbers from a recent Emerson College poll of Iowa voters, should end all serious talk of someone challenging him for the Republican nomination in 2020. He may have been an outsider in 2016, but today President Trump is the Republican Party (a fact which makes his relationship with some senators a little difficult)."

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/newt-gingrich-president-trumps-state-of-the-union-changed-history

From: Solo
06-Feb-19
Man... Something's missing. Um, yep, YEAH. That's it...... OAC needs to gauge her nostrils so she looks like she's down for the struggle.... Yeah!

From: Solo
06-Feb-19
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From: TD
06-Feb-19
All the MSM I have heard today has been to a tone of "well..... not that many watch the SOTU and they soon forget about it after...." NPR went on for some time about how "irrelevant" it is. Back to reality..... i would guess it likely near the top as to viewers.

You know someone's had their azz handed to em when their best defense is "well, it really didn't count....."

From: JTV
06-Feb-19
46.8 million watched Trumps 2019 STOU address ..

From: K Cummings
06-Feb-19
”KPC- you saying women's right issues (perceived or not) ended with the 19th amendment is like saying racism ended with the 13th amendment. Stop being so obtuse. It's exhausting.”

What’s exhausting is the way you keep expanding your grievances in order to defend what you originally posted.

Trump calling attention to what the WWII vets fought against is totally relevant the left’s current desire for socialism and open borders.

On the other hand, calling attention to “women suffrage” is not.

KPC

From: HedgeHunter
06-Feb-19
Yep

Libs are Strokin out tonite. That independant poll numbers are the ice pick, back of the neck for em.

I expect and big pivot from some of these new tic terds running hard commie left.

Prolly one of the most watched and historic speeches in 100yrs at least.

Kasich can pack his pipe and pass it to someone else to puff.

DJT has a firm base thats going nowhere but 2020-2024

HH~

From: HA/KS
06-Feb-19
Mouse, that Stilton's Place is the funniest thing I have seen in a long time!

From: HA/KS
06-Feb-19

HA/KS's embedded Photo
HA/KS's embedded Photo

From: HA/KS
06-Feb-19

HA/KS's embedded Photo
HA/KS's embedded Photo

From: HA/KS
06-Feb-19

HA/KS's embedded Photo
HA/KS's embedded Photo

From: KSflatlander
06-Feb-19
I only had one grievance and it was HA/KS’s moronic statement. You said it was moronic to celebrate something that was resolved long ago. I disagree. We celebrate the achievements of our past all the time and Trump rightfully did so in his SOTU. Singling out congresswoman who celebrate the 19th amendment is hypocritical and disingenuous. But you’re a smart guy...I think you already know that.

Trump’s SOTU was a very good speech and his delivery was the best I seen out of him thus far.

06-Feb-19

Habitat for Wildlife's Link
This didn't make the speech. It appears the trade disputes are having an impact as reported in the WSJ.

07-Feb-19
WV, with great respect, I fixed it for you: "What makes our (Republic) unique."

I did notice that DJT correctly never called us a democracy but did say "our Republic"! Good for him. The widespread use of "democracy" is part of the Demon strangle hold on our national narrative and should be a discouraged.

From: slade
07-Feb-19
Leave it to the Mask is off Faux Conservative Maverick, everything and anything is Trump's fault.

""The rise in farm bankruptcies represents a reckoning for rural America, which has suffered a multiyear slump in prices for corn, soybeans and other farm commodities touched off by a world-wide glut, made worse by growing competition from agriculture powerhouses such as Russia and Brazil. ""

Curt Hudnutt, who oversees rural banking for Rabobank North America, one of the biggest U.S. farm lenders, said that while its losses have been minimal so far, the bank’s farm-loan portfolio is deteriorating and he expects bankruptcies to increase among U.S. farmers this year.

“We thought 2019 would be the year things turned around,” said Mr. Hudnutt. “Then the trade dispute happened and that really put a damper on things.”

Nathan Kauffman, Omaha branch executive at the Kansas City Fed, called the recent rise in bankruptcies modest. He said that while further increases are likely, he doesn’t anticipate a sharp jump in filings, though the downturn in agriculture could drag on for years to come.

The slump in commodity prices followed a period of historic profitability in the Farm Belt, which left operators with significant cash reserves. Interest rates, while on the rise, have remained relatively low. Farmland values, a major factor in a farm’s net worth, have declined modestly, as demand for land continues from fund investors and large farms that are still well capitalized.

Nationwide, chapter 12 bankruptcy filings are below highs reached in 2010, when commodity prices dropped following the U.S. recession.

Keep licking KS's boots, he needs the help.............

From: K Cummings
07-Feb-19

K Cummings's Link
Farm bankruptcies on the rise in Upper Midwest

“Dairy farmers are having the most problems right now,” said Mark Miedtke, the president of Citizens State Bank in Hayfield. “Grain farmers have had low prices for the past three years but high yields have helped them through. We’re just waiting for a turnaround. We’re waiting for the tariff problem to go away.”

Miedtke said the underlying problem began before the trade issues, with farmers being too efficient for their financial good and demand not keeping pace with the production."

As is often the case, it would appear there are multiple factors at play here. Also, as is often the case, people tend to focus on only factors that support a preconceived notion or underlying agenda.

KPC

07-Feb-19
Kevin,

As is often the case, bias exists on both sides...

Trade disputes are having an impact is a factual statement, regardless of what other variables are at play. You and Slade made assumptions...

From: BowSniper
07-Feb-19
What's disingenuous is to portray the existing trade relationship with China as tenable. If the trade war is successful in its application, the long term benefits will FAR outweigh any short term discomfort.

Cancer untreated will cause a slow painful death. Chemo and radiation treatment is more discomfort in the short term, to offer a real chance at long term survivability.

07-Feb-19
Sniper,

I agree with your statement. Why does sharing an article have some conclude anything other than it is sharing facts?

Many are concerned with our debt, but Farmers may need more assistance. Point being there are trade-offs.

Everything every politician does will effect others, sometimes in a positive way, sometimes not.

From: K Cummings
07-Feb-19
"As is often the case, bias exists on both sides... "

Of course it does Frank. I never suggested otherwise.

It's human nature to search for a scapegoat but when a ship sinks, as much as you'd like to blame the water coming in, the hole in the hull is the real culprit.

KPC

07-Feb-19
"Of course it does Frank. I never suggested otherwise."

As I never suggested any blame, that is why I shared the article in it's entirety.

From: BowSniper
07-Feb-19
HFW - Farm bankruptcy article or not, we are currently in an untenable trade deal with China and it has to be dealt with. One could post a thousand articles referencing a thousand different tangential effects, with a snippet implying each as some good or bad result. But the ROOT problem is our current bad trade deal with China and their aggressive economic warfare that we cannot continue to live with and remain an economic superpower.

Look at it like the battle against terrorism and radical Islam. Someone might post an article saying that our intervention just makes them angrier and creates more terrorists. But that ignores the current untenable situation where groups of radical islamists are trying to kill us, would happily kill ALL of us if afforded the time and opportunity to do so.... and only our greater aggressive intervention and risk of short term discomfort can possibly stop our certain long term destruction.

07-Feb-19
I have long held the position that trade practices with China are untenable. Their goal is domination, both economically and militarily. They believe the East will be superior to the West again.

Let's just have honest discussions and recognize not everything done is 'great' for everyone, especially in the short run.

From: K Cummings
07-Feb-19
What's good in the macro is not always good in the micro...at least not immediately.

It's basic economics.

KPC

From: TD
07-Feb-19
Anything else he might have missed? Speech was over an hour, near to Clinton's epic harangue...... maybe another hour or so might have touched on it.......

07-Feb-19

Habitat for Wildlife's Link
Make some more assumptions?

Maybe micro and macro are intertwined?

07-Feb-19
TD,

Probably just me out if sync again with the mindset here, but it is State Of...somehow trade, farming seem just a wee bit more important to the State Of to me than investigations. Hey, that's just me though. I accept we disagree and that's OK.

From: Trax
07-Feb-19
"I have long held the position that trade practices with China are untenable."

OK, so do you suggest we refuse to trade with them? Or continue as it's been? China is our political enemy and military enemy, but it is all tied in with the fact that they are also our economic enemy. That doesn't mean we can ignore them. What President Trump is trying to do is gain a better situation for us in terms of world wide trade. There is no way we are going to get a deal that only benefits us or addresses our every wish. The attempt is to get a better deal. A more fair deal to America. We will see if that gets done but it sounds like something by spring is very possible. The stock market, which short term feeds on perception and speculation, will love it. The long term will fall back on the proof, which is in the pudding.

From: K Cummings
07-Feb-19
"Make some more assumptions?"

No. I made a statement of fact.

KPC

From: JTV
07-Feb-19

JTV's Link
https://www.agweb.com/article/trade-update-two-days-two-buys-from-china-of-us-soybeans/

" By Marjorie Kulba AgDay TV AgDay Producer Email Chinese leaders said the country would be buying more U.S. soybeans, and now we have proof it did. The USDA reported a buy on Tuesday of 2,603,000 mt that is scheduled to be delivered to China. Another 274,000 mt is scheduled for delivery to unknown destinations. This is in addition to Monday's buy of about 612,000 mt.

After two days of talks last week, China's lead trade negotiator Vice Premier Liu He met with President Trump and the other U.S. negotiators in the Oval Office. He revealed China would buy another 5,000,000 mt of U.S. soybeans."

07-Feb-19
I watch it with keen interest Trax since I actually own land and produce crops for sale. Only 12 acres this year, but could put another 50 into production depending on CRP renewals. It matters as I near retirement. Counting on a little extra income, but yes our nation's security is more important to Robin and I both.

SMH though at all of the folks having an opinion without any skin in the game. Similar to the other thread where a guy in KY is trying to tell a CO land owner about wolves. Lots of experts, mainly getting their information on-line.

From: K Cummings
07-Feb-19
"SMH though at all of the folks having an opinion without any skin in the game."

The notion that someone has to be a farmer to have "skin" in this particular "game" or even have an opinion about it is offensive.

When it comes to trade relations with China, everyone has skin in the game. Same with farming, especially when it comes to "CRP" lands. Heaven forbid the US taxpayer would stop subsidizing someone's wildlife habitat, but that's a whole different discussion for a different day.

Business is business. Adapt or die.

KPC

From: KSflatlander
07-Feb-19
I love it how KPC says HFW's statement about having skin in the game is offensive but when HA/KS posts moronic racist propaganda then he doesn't call him out on it. Maybe you should look up the word "offensive."

From: bad karma
07-Feb-19
Please describe the "moronic racist propaganda" you claim HA/KS is posting.

From: HDE
07-Feb-19
BK - you've actually been following all that pitter-patter squabbling going back and forth?

Wore me out a long time ago...

07-Feb-19
Ryan,

Thanks for noticing. As spike pointed out on a recent thread, Kevin would either respond to my comment on that thread or wait until a later one to pounce. He can't help himself. But, I will try to explain my reasoning in good faith.

Kevin,

Our purchase of our farm, like most major decisions in life, had multiple forces at play. Certainly recreational value was a high priority, as was my desire to have a 'Sand County' experiment of my own, being dedicated to wildlife conservation. Always though, as with every decision we have made that has a major potential impact on our future, long term finances were considered. The desire to be a income generator in later stages of life was, and remains a high priority for us. This no doubt is the kind of advice you extend to your professional clients.

The purchase was made during our peak earning years. At that time, we knew for the farm to be a revenue generator 10-15 years down the road we would have to "invest" in the quality of the land. You see, it was cash rented for 40 plus years and abused. No one wanted to farm it any longer, and with 60 acres of tillable only able to grow fescue for hay, there would not be a great return.

So, I made the decision to enroll it in CRP. What you call subsidized assistance, we have spent more each year improving the habitat, more by at least 2X. Those subsidies have provided spillover benefits to many, who do not pay for them. Please go look at my 'Things in Common' thread to see the amount of deer using just a small parcel of the property. My surrounding neighbors have all leased their land, and are receiving a higher dollar in rent because the word is out.

Other benefits include the multitude of non-game species that utilize the land, and might be completely gone in the area as only less than 3% of native grass prairie remains today. Please google to see the hundreds of species that need tall prairie grasses for suitable habitat.

The filtration provided by prairie grasses helps minimize agricultural herbicide and pesticide run-off. With up to one third of the root masses dying every year, no other plant life produces as much under-ground bio-mass as does prairie grasses. The benefits to agriculture in the future you can project intuitively no doubt. The air quality is also improved.

CRP also takes land out of crop production, thus having a supply effect on the market for crops-boosting farm revenue for others. No doubt one of the reasons the government does it, a positive side effect being the benefit to wildlife.

I can go on, but I assume a smart man like yourself knows all of this already. My point, actually witnessing first hand the money coming in from the government, versus the money going out-society at large is receiving benefits at a minimum commensurate with the "subsidy" received. I do not think of it as a subsidy, but rather a partial payment for work done that benefits others more than it does me.

OK, so to the part of 'adapt or die'...farmers surrounding us now are begging to rent our farm because of the investments I have made. Not just the bio-mass, but also spreading tons and tons of lime, adding nutrients as soil test recommend etc. Being close to retirement, I will need to calculate farm revenue from growing crops with as much certainty as possible, which is not much, and compare this to a "guaranteed" revenue stream of 15 years from CRP renewal, if available.

As you know I bet from all the sage advice you give your clients, crop prices, at least in the short run, have impacts on land values. I turn 60 next Friday, Robin is 62. We only have the short run. So far our farm has returned at least an equal growth as our other retirement assets. Decisions must be made wisely. To me and my way of thinking, this is a different kind of skin in the game. I will be disappointed in myself if the final decision for our farm is weighted more towards financial return than it is a commitment to conservation.

I will predict you will no doubt respond with another one of your parsed word responses trying to prove something. I didn't really write this essay for you, but any one else who might have cared enough to see why trump's position on trade is of special concern to myself and others right now. Yes we will all be affected, but some more than others. It is not whining, but an attempt to make a well informed decision.

07-Feb-19
Kevin,

I meant to add you sound like a liberal for being offended by my opinion. Thin skin for sure, but I say this knowing you will take another shot. Flail away...

From: K Cummings
07-Feb-19
"I love it how KPC says HFW's statement about having skin in the game is offensive but when HA/KS posts moronic racist propaganda then he doesn't call him out on it."

The difference is Henry's statement wasn't directed toward me, Frank's was. More importantly, I didn't see it as racist propaganda. Even so, what part of my statement didn't you see? When you said Henry's post was "moronic," I said the following:

"Maybe so, but not quite as moronic as calling attention to something that was resolved a century ago."

Does that sound like a ringing endorsement to you?

That's all well and good Frank but it really isn't any more complicated than this.

If you cannot handle short term fluctuations in the value of your investments, you simply aren't invested correctly. I own a considerable amount of stock on a particular pharmaceutical company. The government is constantly doing things that affect the value of that stock (as well as every other equity investment I own). Big deal. The difference between you an me is that I don't complain about it every time some politician does something that affects my investments in a negative way (and Trump has done that on a number of occasions). I am confident that what is good for the country long term is inevitably going to be good for my investments.

As to what I tell my clients, regardless of the investment. Let me repeat... if you cannot handle short term fluctuations in the value of a particular investment, you should not be invested in it...period.

KPC

07-Feb-19
Ok,

A) Prove I have complained. Pointing out a decision has an impact is not complaining. It is food for thought and discussion, except in your world.

B) What makes you think I cannot handle short term fluctuations in my investments? Have I ever shared anything with you that you have enough information to make that call? No, so I suggest you actually shut up Kevin.

If everything goes OK, we would like to bequeath the land as a conservancy, we are considering it. An act like that has tax implications, and timing makes a difference. And no, you do not have enough knowledge to offer advice. Just sit down, you are not even close to being the smartest guy in the room. Neither am I, but smart enough to know who to listen to and it is not a retail CFP.

From: KSflatlander
07-Feb-19
KPC- I have seen you post that you call people out for false info posted. I will say that most times you do and I respect you for that. It seems that you are cherry picking a bit.

From: K Cummings
07-Feb-19
Of course you are Frank.

KPC

PS: By the way, even a dumb guy like me knows that would be a conservancy, not a "conservatory."

From: Solo
07-Feb-19
Here we go again. This is getting beyond ridiculous fellas.

Y'all need to get your own room where you can micro-bitch at each other over every little thing all day & all night long. Just leave the debating over the greatest SOTU speech in modern history to the adults in this room.... ;^)

From: K Cummings
07-Feb-19
You're probably right KSf, some posters bring that out in me.

:)

KPC

From: K Cummings
07-Feb-19
Point taken Solo. I'll just repeat what I said in my first post on the thread.

"Excellent speech. God bless America."

KPC

From: HA/KS
07-Feb-19
Racist propaganda? Where? Educate me.

07-Feb-19
Spike, I sent you a PM explaining why I used the term democracy instead of republic. Thanks for keeping an eye on me bro. I need it. But, I used that term on purpose.

No where else in this world could a populist, previously labeled liberal, be elected on conservative promises, by a republic of people that are fed up with the abuse of their democratic government. Except America. God Bless men

From: itshot
07-Feb-19
the only propaganda is the notion that the white outfits at sotu had a damn thing to do with suffrage...

From: HA/KS
07-Feb-19

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From: Solo
07-Feb-19
I wore white longjohns today in their honor... :^p

But I was working outside in damp, below freezing temps compounded by harsh winds, and right now my pain-ridden extremities are almost as cold as the hearts of those arrogant women in white.

BTW, I've been expecting Jimbo to chime in with his final analysis of the speech. I now suspect his lack of response means that it was so good that it took his breath away, and has left him in a tailspin...

From: itshot
07-Feb-19
"offensive." is the sullen reaction by americans, elected to office, when the potus states "we will not be a socialist nation"

offensive is when the potus actually has to say that in a speech due to the leftist lunacy in leadership we have been experimenting with

07-Feb-19
KPC, you had better shut up before Frank gets mad at you.

I've got KPC the first round, within the first minute. Fista-cuffs or debate.

From: Solo
07-Feb-19
The experiment currently being conducted by democrat socialists reminds me of my favorite experiment way back in science class years ago, and they both produce pretty much the same result....

07-Feb-19
Spell check Kevin. I am sure your knowledge is Google based.

Justin, typical no class act on your part, a phony all the way through. God bless.

Thanks for the PM Ryan. All options are out there, but only if Robin will be fine after I am gone. Once locked in it cannot be reversed, so we need to be sure. Still too young yet.

From: HA/KS
07-Feb-19

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From: Solo
07-Feb-19
That's a great meme, Henry, my fellow 'racist moron'.... ;^)

07-Feb-19
Frank, That shut up line coming from you was comical. I just couldn't resist.

You strut around the CF with your repeated declarations of wanting debate, using any and all inflammatory methods necessary to get it, and then twist it as if you were unfairly labeled or attacked. It's grown old and used up. Juvenile even. So, I figured I'd drop down to that level and be juvenile too. Simply, you like taking pot shots at people. So, I returned the favor.

07-Feb-19
Justin,

I love honest debate, and believe an honest individual would recognize that sharing as much personal information as I did was exactly for that purpose.

I also think an honest person would recognize not only my areas for improvement, but their own as well and, that of another who constantly parses words to annoy people, claiming at times words mean something, other times they don't. ;-) words like strut and juvenile are inflammatory, right? Practice what you preach?

But, if you are sincere about both improving, let's do it. Maybe we can react with PMs to each other before posting juvenile attacks like we both did?

From: Solo
07-Feb-19
"offensive is when the potus actually has to say that in a speech due to the leftist lunacy in leadership we have been experimenting with"

itshot a double-lunger........witha broadhead big as a keyboard....

07-Feb-19
Frank, I'm not being mean but, I have no interest in exchanging PM's with you. Your version of them simply does not coincide with the reality of the exchanges. Been down that road and have no intent to do it again. So, don't bother sending me anymore to "debate" your intent, your personality, your actions, or your character . They will go unanswered.

Just be aware of what I've said here as I've said it about 50 times now. I truly do not care what you think of me, my faith, my actions, etc.... Because you seem to have your own impressions of all this that you like to gossip about in your PM's. I know why you are mad. I know why you feel like I'm judgmental. I'm not ignorant or blind to any of that. So, just continue along those lines. Because I have little time or, the mental fortitude to debate what you turn every debate we've had, into.

I'm not trying to be mean. I'm not trying to be hard hearted. I'm just well aware that life is too short to try and spend my time talking with people that have no intentions of doing so without feeding their ulterior motives.

You take care. I wish you no harm. I'm just not going to participate in your games of folly. Good night and God Bless

08-Feb-19
Justin,

I did not send you a PM. I would not again as I said the last time. As I said above you are a phony. I also am not trying to be mean, just point blank honest.

You are a blind man. On this thread I was the second person who wrote shut up, but as always you only challenge someone who disagrees with you. I learned that in our exchanges, both open and in PMs. You cannot change, and yes I am convinced your beliefs allow you to be judgmental of others while being blind to your own faults. We do not debate Justin, you take a personal shot like you did on this thread, a shot which has nothing to do with the discussion. When challenged back you play victim, yet Trump your hero gets a free pass for not letting challenges go unanswered. You are one of the most inconsistent individuals I read here, belittling people and then pretending you are not being mean.

I assume no one I know only except over a forum really cares what any one thinks. You should assume the same.

I sincerely wish you no harm as well, I will respond to your cheap shots, again, I recognize you cannot help it. And I cannot help standing up to bullies.

08-Feb-19
Thanks, WV. That is all on me as the usage of 'democracy' to describe our Republic is a pet peeve of mine. I was very happy that Trump correctly used the term 'Republic' in describing this nation in his excellent SOTU and wish that our elected officials would drop the use of 'democracy' all together when refering to this nation.

It would be very nice if teachers would refer to this nation as a Republic as well.

From: K Cummings
08-Feb-19
"Spell check Kevin. I am sure your knowledge is Google based."

And you accuse me of being arrogant, egotistical, and thinking I'm the "smartest guy in the room?"

How rich is that?

FWIW, and I mean this sincerely so take it for what you will. Land conservancies and land trusts are quite common these days, and I have a number of clients that have worked with them. While I'm not an expert I know enough about them to know that just based on what you have posted about them in this thread, it is clear, at least to me, that you would be wise to do a little more research before making a decision either way.

KPC

08-Feb-19
I believe you recognize from what I have said, we are researching. Close friends have done this. Counsel came from a company with legal, tax experts with this process. There is more than just one option to leaving land.

Kevin, my biggest concern is that my farm, even left in a conservation trust, may prove futile due to surrounding farm practices, multiple pipelines etc. that can cause the habitat to become fragmented. If so, our goal of leaving it to benefit wildlife would become marginalized.

Maybe that offers insight into many factors being considered.

Again, I claim no expertise, but am aware of land going through this process by close friends of more than 20 years.

I guess I will admit my shot back about a retail CFP was fueled by your economics comments. See, exactly the reaction I keep pointing out Trump gets.

Sincere thanks.

From: K Cummings
08-Feb-19
Frank:

Your shots about my knowledge being "Google based" and accepting advice from a "retail CFP" are actually quite telling, and they say much more about you than they do me. They didn't bother me in the least.

You rail about others making incorrect assumptions, yet you have no problem doing exactly that. It's obvious that you don't know nearly as much about me as you think you do. But then again, why would you? Unless you know someone personally, you only know the persona that you see here. Just like the rest of us. Just don't act like you are above all that.

As an aside, I always get a kick out of people who try to disparage others with the "Google knowledge" reference. Really? Facts are facts, regardless of where they are found.

I respect a person that researches things in any way they can. Quite frankly, the CF is proof positive that a lot of people would be well served to use Google A LOT more than they do. Google is the encyclopedias and textbooks of this generation. There is nothing that you teach your students, or that I advise my clients that cannot be found on Google...nothing. I have no problem admitting that.

You are welcome to have the last word on this one Frank. For me, unless someone wants to actually discuss the SOTU speech, this thread has run it's course.

KPC

From: BowSniper
08-Feb-19
It seems every thread devolves into the same few guys badgering each other into stalemate/stagnation.

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