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Bowboy 05-Feb-19
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Bowbender 05-Feb-19
Brotsky 05-Feb-19
Bake 05-Feb-19
Michael 05-Feb-19
elkmtngear 05-Feb-19
JTV 05-Feb-19
HDE 05-Feb-19
Scrappy 05-Feb-19
BC 05-Feb-19
spike78 05-Feb-19
HA/KS 05-Feb-19
IdyllwildArcher 05-Feb-19
HA/KS 05-Feb-19
BC 05-Feb-19
Franzen 05-Feb-19
Fivers 05-Feb-19
NvaGvUp 05-Feb-19
Two Feathers 05-Feb-19
IdyllwildArcher 05-Feb-19
HedgeHunter 05-Feb-19
Annony Mouse 05-Feb-19
HA/KS 05-Feb-19
Bowboy 05-Feb-19
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From: Bowboy
05-Feb-19

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This woman needs a mental health evaluation or needs to go back to school. Some of these comments are spot on!

I guess it's the Gen X age of entitlement. They feel they deserve everything given to them for free.

From: Bowbender
05-Feb-19
Curious. What do to socialists who have never worked in the private sector, aside from serving coffee or some such, have a ****ing clue on how to generate millions of high paying jobs?

From: Will
05-Feb-19
I wish she could take the idealized left angled world view she has, and relax a hair. Come up with the big idea, take some deep breaths, then think about the main stream, not a far left mainstream.

Can't deny she has great energy and passion for what she believes. But she doesnt seem to be able to control the energy yet nor look at strategies that are more realistic.

When she tosses out hyper left ideas or overreach and even theoretical worst case scenario simulations, it just makes good points appear lame as they may come from the same general arena.

That's why there are a lot of legislators though, mute excess... Perhaps after a year or so, she will reign it in a bit.

That said, I'm not busting "her"... Just wish she'd tone down the approach. Seeing young people that motivated about politics and "helping" our country is awesome. She took her shot, at a moment in history when folks wanted new people with new ideas and it worked. 6 years ago, heck, 6 years from now, it may not have worked. Agree or disagree with her, she had the ovaries to put herself on the line and run.

From: Bowbender
05-Feb-19
So Wil, when she tosses out a 70% tax rate as a starting point for the rich, is that a good point, that she’s just mucking up with her energy and enthusiasm?

From: Brotsky
05-Feb-19
It'll take 10 years to implement? That only leaves us two years to enjoy her socialist utopia before the end of the world or does this then avert that as well?

From: Bake
05-Feb-19
These freaking people aren't going to be happy until we're a 3rd world country. Only have power for 4 hours a day. Idiots.

From: Michael
05-Feb-19
If her green new deal involves more wind turbines then what are currently being installed it is not possible.

I work in wind and there simply is not enough cranes or manpower to ramp up the amount of production that is needed.

If I remember right wind will only make up 7% of our energy needs by 2020.

05-Feb-19

Welcome to the future.

Auto repair shops will go away. A gasoline engine has 20,000 individual parts. An electrical motor has 20. Electric cars are sold with lifetime guarantees and are only repaired by dealers. It takes only 10 minutes to remove and replace an electric motor.

Faulty electric motors are not repaired in the dealership but are sent to a regional repair shop that repairs them with robots. Your electric motor malfunction light goes on, so you drive up to what looks like a Jiffy-auto wash, and your car is towed through while you have a cup of coffee and outcomes your car with a new electric motor!

Gas stations will go away. Parking meters will be replaced by meters that dispense electricity. Companies will install electrical recharging stations; in fact, they've already started. You can find them at select Dunkin Donuts locations.

Most (the smart) major auto manufacturers have already designated money to start building new plants that only build electric cars.

Coal industries will go away. Gasoline/oil companies will go away. Drilling for oil will stop. So say goodbye to OPEC!

Homes will produce and store more electrical energy during the day and then they use and will sell it back to the grid. The grid stores it and dispenses it to industries that are high electricity users. Has anybody seen the Tesla roof?

A baby of today will only see personal cars in museums.

The FUTURE is approaching faster than most of us can handle.

In 1998, Kodak had 170,000 employees and sold 85% of all photo paper worldwide. Within just a few years, their business model disappeared and they went bankrupt. Who would have thought of that ever happening?

What happened to Kodak will happen in a lot of industries in the next 5-10years and, most people don't see it coming.

Did you think in 1998 that 3 years later, you would never take pictures on film again? With today's smart phones, who even has a camera these days?

Yet digital cameras were invented in 1975. The first ones only had 10,000 pixels, but followed Moore's law. So as with all exponential technologies, it was a disappointment for a time, before it became way superior and became mainstream in only a few short years. It will now happen again (but much faster) with Artificial Intelligence, health, autonomous and electric cars, education, 3D printing, agriculture and jobs.

Forget the book, "Future Shock", welcome to the 4th Industrial Revolution.

Software has disrupted and will continue to disrupt most traditional industries in the next 5-10 years.

UBER is just a software tool, they don't own any cars, and are now the biggest taxi company in the world! Ask any taxi driver if they saw that coming.

Airbnb is now the biggest hotel company in the world, although they don't own any properties.

Ask Hilton Hotels if they saw that coming.

Artificial Intelligence: Computers become exponentially better in understanding the world.

This year, a computer beat the best Go-player in the world, 10 years earlier than expected.

In the USA, young lawyers already don't get jobs. Because of IBM's Watson, you can get legal advice (so far for right now, the basic stuff) within seconds, with 90% accuracy compared with 70% accuracy when done by humans. So, if you study law, stop immediately. There will be 90% fewer lawyers in the future, (what a thought!) only omniscient specialists will remain.

Watson already helps nurses diagnosing cancer, its 4 times more accurate than human nurses.

Facebook now has a pattern recognition software that can recognize faces better than humans. In 2030, computers will become more intelligent than humans.

Autonomous cars: In 2018 the first self-driving cars are already here. In the next 2 years, the entire industry will start to be disrupted. You won't want to own a car anymore as you will call a car with your phone, it will show up at your location and drive you to your destination. You will not need to park it you will only pay for the driven distance and you can be productive while driving. The very young children of today will never get a driver's license and will never own a car.

This will change our cities, because we will need 90-95% fewer cars We can transform former parking spaces into parks.

1.2 million people die each year in car accidents worldwide including distracted or drunk driving. We now have one accident every 60,000 miles; with autonomous driving that will drop to 1 accident in 6 million miles. That will save a million lives plus worldwide each year.

Most traditional car companies will doubtless become bankrupt. Traditional car companies will try the evolutionary approach and just build a better car, while tech companies (Tesla, Apple, Google) will do the revolutionary approach and build a computer on wheels.

Look at what Volvo is doing right now; no more internal combustion engines in their vehicles starting this year with the 2019 models, using all electric or hybrid only, with the intent of phasing out hybrid models.

Many engineers from Volkswagen and Audi; are completely terrified of Tesla and so they should be. Look at all the companies offering all electric vehicles. That was unheard of, only a few years ago.

Insurance companies will have massive trouble because, without accidents, the costs will become cheaper. Their car insurance business model will disappear.

Real estate will change. Because if you can work while you commute, people will move farther away to live in a more beautiful or affordable neighborhood.

Electric cars will become mainstream about 2030. Cities will be less noisy because all new cars will run on electricity.

Cities will have much cleaner air as well.

Electricity will become incredibly cheap and clean.

Solar production has been on an exponential curve for 30 years, but you can now see the burgeoning impact.

And it's just getting ramped up.

Fossil energy companies are desperately trying to limit access to the grid to prevent competition from home solar installations, but that simply cannot continue - technology will take care of that strategy.

Health: The Tricorder X price will be announced this year. There are companies who will build a medical device (called the "Tricorder" from Star Trek) that works with your phone, which takes your retina scan, your blood sample and you breath into it. It then analyses 54 bio-markers that will identify nearly any Disease. There are dozens of phone apps out there right now for health purposes.

WELCOME TO TOMORROW ? it actually arrived a few years ago.

From: elkmtngear
05-Feb-19
When you can't come up with a concrete reason for unlimited spending...you can always fall back on Climate Change!

Anyone heard from Al Gore lately? I'm driving in 30 miles on ice, in "Sunny California"!

From: JTV
05-Feb-19
It is no longer called Climate Change, it is called "Extreme Weather" ....

From: HDE
05-Feb-19
Bowboy - think you have your generations mixed up. AOC is nowhere near a Gen X.

Agreed though, she is a nutcase.

From: Scrappy
05-Feb-19
Why is everyone pointing fingers at young people.

Their parents that didn't raise them are to blame.

From: BC
05-Feb-19
Do any of these people realize that when you plug your Prius in to recharge, the electricity is coming from a coal burning plant. But I'm sure it makes them "feel" better.

From: spike78
05-Feb-19
If this is what we have to look forward to with these socialists then I need to research another country to move to.

From: HA/KS
05-Feb-19
We need a new law that you cannot be elected to congress unless you have spent at least 5 years working and living at least 20 miles from an Interstate Highway or Wal-mart and 10 miles from a grocery store.

05-Feb-19
"I guess it's the Gen X age of entitlement."

She is NOT Gen X. She is a millenial.

"Do any of these people realize that when you plug your Prius in to recharge, the electricity is coming from a coal burning plant."

Priuses run off of gasoline and do not have a "plug." They have an electric motor that is powered by batteries that are charged by the gasoline motor which also runs the car when the batteries get low enough or when you drive faster than the electric motor can propel the car. Said batteries are also charged by the motor being engaged during coasting downhill or to stop, which is why the Prius gets such good gas mileage.

From: HA/KS
05-Feb-19

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From: BC
05-Feb-19
I stand corrected and appreciate the info. My underlying point stands however. The large majority of these efforts to save the planet from climate change, global warming, or whatever they are calling it this week, are not grounded in reality. Just has to feel good and be trendy. Not all but most is pure BS to support a political agenda.

From: Franzen
05-Feb-19
If one can't "bust" a politician for being purely asinine only because they are part of one's affiliated party, that is a serious problem. AOC has no business in many endeavors, politics included.

From: Fivers
05-Feb-19
And when all of these changes for "cleaner", "better" energy and vehicles don't make the difference than some think they will....what happens next? The climate will change, same as it has always changed, there was no ice age, it changed to an ice age, now we are coming back out of an ice age. I have a slight inkling that the sun might have a slight effect on our climate, many sunbursts would increase our temps and no sunbursts would decrease our temps.

Sounds like we might as well get out all the fossil fuels that we can now, since there will be no use for them in the near future. So why does the left worry about using them all up with extra drilling and mining??

From: NvaGvUp
05-Feb-19
Just the advice America needs:

Unsupportable idiocy from a BU grad who had to work as a bartender; probably because every 'real' employer realized she was a totally vacuous idiot.

From: Two Feathers
05-Feb-19
My friend's Prius sat so long his batteries went dead and he had to plug in his battery charger to an electrical outlet that got it's electricity from the coal burning power plant.

05-Feb-19
Haha, fair enough. ;)

From: HedgeHunter
05-Feb-19
Damn right.

If Bell has right to Telepoles, surely the TVA, and Utilities have rights to them as well.

Means alt power gen sources will have to pay to get on grid.

Darpa had digital cameras, internet, sat audio decades before FB or Apple exsisted.

When Darpa puts a men on Mars it wont be renewable alt energies.

Renewables dont even break even on the fosdil based fuel in takes to build, plan, research, produce and maintain them. Thats blatant Snowflake BS.

The Terd New Deal is a big pile.

HH~

From: Annony Mouse
05-Feb-19
Occasional Cortex should take a look at the future she desires.

In New York, the chickens are coming home to roost.

New York Begins to Run Out of Other People’s Money

Looks like Margaret Thatcher was right; sooner or later, socialists run out of other people’s money. In New York’s case, they are running out of people to loot who still create wealth rather than vote for a living.

Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo on Monday announced a dramatic drop in state income tax revenue of $2.8 billion, which he says will prompt him to revise his 2019-20 budget and reconsider spending on schools, health care and repairs to roads and bridges.

It’s all the fault of Trump and his dastardly tax relief package.

Cuomo said the law’s cap on deductions for state and local taxes at $10,000 was to blame and suggested it is, anecdotally, triggering high-earners to leave New York.

If this were a sitcom, the laugh track would kick in here and run for the rest of the story. High earners are leaving New York, all right — because greedy moonbats like Andrew Cuomo are driving them out. Cuomo has explicitly stated that nonleftists are not welcome in New York.

“At this point there is no doubt that the budget we put forward is not supported by the revenues,” Cuomo said at a State Capitol news conference. “It’s as serious as a heart attack.”

Actually, it’s much funnier than a heart attack — at least for those of us who have managed to escape from New York.

When it stops being funny is when radicalized Democrats like New York’s AOC manage to take Venezuela on the Hudson nationwide.

Cuomo said that he and his administration are blameless. He said the continued exodus of residents from the state and a temporary millionaire’s tax created in 2009 to contend with the Great Recession (but which he’s extended since then) are not contributing factors.

You might hope that Cuomo would accept responsibility, learn from his mistakes, and mend his Big Government tax & spend ways. But no; he proposes extending the “temporary” millionaire’s tax for another 5 years, while using accounting gimmicks to pretend he is keeping spending increases under a 2% cap.

From: HA/KS
05-Feb-19
The real "green" agenda is socialism and anti-Christian.

From: Bowboy
05-Feb-19
My bad on the Gen X.

05-Feb-19
That's the thing about rich people - they can afford to move.

05-Feb-19
I attended a presentation tonight at our college. The topic was the common origin and goals of conservation and environmentalism. I expected a liberal slant.

Not the case at all. The speaker spent a lot of time on the history of Aldo L's professional work and his Sand County property.

Stated point blank he felt environmentalists needed to respect hunters and their immense impact on shared goals. I about fell out of my chair. He went on to discuss the funding of conservation flowed from licenses and the PR excise taxes.

This guy is an associate professor, PhD, of English at our college. This all took place within a few miles of both an Interstate and a Wal-Mart. Go figure!

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