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mn_archer 07-Feb-19
Zbone 07-Feb-19
BIG BEAR 07-Feb-19
Amoebus 07-Feb-19
Brotsky 07-Feb-19
HA/KS 07-Feb-19
Annony Mouse 07-Feb-19
mn_archer 07-Feb-19
spike78 07-Feb-19
Amoebus 07-Feb-19
JTV 07-Feb-19
elkmtngear 07-Feb-19
mn_archer 07-Feb-19
Zbone 08-Feb-19
Spike Bull 08-Feb-19
gflight 08-Feb-19
BowSniper 08-Feb-19
tonyo6302 08-Feb-19
jjs 08-Feb-19
mn_archer 08-Feb-19
mn_archer 08-Feb-19
mn_archer 08-Feb-19
mn_archer 08-Feb-19
Salagi 08-Feb-19
WV Mountaineer 08-Feb-19
mn_archer 08-Feb-19
BowSniper 08-Feb-19
BowSniper 08-Feb-19
WV Mountaineer 08-Feb-19
mn_archer 09-Feb-19
BowSniper 09-Feb-19
orionsbrother 09-Feb-19
Zbone 09-Feb-19
mn_archer 10-Feb-19
BowSniper 11-Feb-19
BowSniper 11-Feb-19
BowSniper 11-Feb-19
BowSniper 11-Feb-19
slade 11-Feb-19
mn_archer 11-Feb-19
Zbone 11-Feb-19
gflight 12-Feb-19
From: mn_archer
07-Feb-19

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I got the news yesterday that I was selected to be on the US Optics pro shooting team. They are represented by a diverse group of shooters from all over covering many disciplines.

I'll mainly be shooting 3 gun but also some IPSC type action rifle matches, including hopefully the World Rifle Shoot on team USA next August. I'm going to dabble a bit with some precision rifle matches but I still have a long way to go there.

I'm honored to be on such an awesome team representing some of the best glass available.

Michael

From: Zbone
07-Feb-19
CONGRATS Michael, best of luck!!!

From: BIG BEAR
07-Feb-19
Good stuff !!!! Congrats !!!

From: Amoebus
07-Feb-19
Sweet - they saved the best for last.

Do you have a regular set of events you attend?

From: Brotsky
07-Feb-19
Quite an honor Michael! Congrats and well deserved!

From: HA/KS
07-Feb-19
Congratulations! Keep us updated

From: Annony Mouse
07-Feb-19
Neat...congrats. Just shows how diverse this community of ours is.

Best of luck.

From: mn_archer
07-Feb-19
Thanks guys. I've got 5 really awesome sponsors but it's truly an honor to be working with such an awesome company as USO.

One cool thing about sponsorship is working with companies on developing and testing new gear.

Amoebus,

basically 3 gun matches are classified as local or club matches, and major matches. The goal is to win or place hi at majors and use the club matches as practice.

Here in Minnesota we have an 8 month league series starting in March and ending in October. Its held at 3 different clubs in St cloud, Forest lake, and east Bethel. There are several other small events throughout the summer here as well.

This year I'll travel to 10 different majors in 8 states and at least one international event.

From: spike78
07-Feb-19
Awesome congrats to you!

From: Amoebus
07-Feb-19
Didn't you end up in Detroit Lakes? Gonna get some miles on the truck this year. Best of luck.

I have shot at the Forest lake range as they have a 400 yard rifle target.

From: JTV
07-Feb-19
Congrats .... I love going to shooting houses, no competition, other than learning survival/entry techniques .... did some cowboy shooting(SAS) once with a borrowed Ruger, rifle and shotgun... that was fun ...

From: elkmtngear
07-Feb-19
Congrats, Mike...I hope you have a great time at the Competitions!

From: mn_archer
07-Feb-19
no we live in breezy point. We bought this house in 2010 but are home shopping now. I need more property so I can build a shooting range at my home

From: Zbone
08-Feb-19
Curious Michael - How long you been shooting IPSC?

I used to compete in IPSC way back in the early 80's before rifles got involved... Back then it was just .45 ACPs and 12 gauges, even had a tricked out (for it's time) .45 race gun with compensator and all... It got too expensive to practice with ammo while raising a growing young family at the time so I had to give it up... Had a Dillon progressive press, even melted and molded my own wheel weights lead for bullets, but still got to expensive to shoot everyday... I was shooting a lot back then...

08-Feb-19
Well done!! I wish you continued success and great fun! Keep us updated!

From: gflight
08-Feb-19
Awesome!! Feel free to send any post tested items my way....;^)

From: BowSniper
08-Feb-19
Very cool ! I've been a few years out of IPSC and 3 gun so don't recognize the names. But looking forward to following yours now! And US optics is top notch all the way!!

From: tonyo6302
08-Feb-19
Congrats and keep us posted.

From: jjs
08-Feb-19
Ben Avery Western Shoot, Az. Feb. 19-24 will be on, I was going to attend but just came off some spinal procedure.

Congrats, it is always special to get selected for your dedication.

From: mn_archer
08-Feb-19
Zbone-

IPSC is very rare on the US, its huge all over the world but not here. In the us we mainly shoot USPSA and 3 gun. In fact we had our first ipsc shotgun matches last year to prepare our team for the world shotgun championships in France. My buddy won.

We are having a series of 3 ipsc style rifle matches in preparation for the world rifle championships in August. There is a match in Alabama, Virginia and Oklahoma. I can only make the first and last due to a conflict with the Virginia match.

Ammo can get crazy. I am very fortunate to be sponsored by an ammo company and they treat me incredibly well. I've not gone through my logs but im sure I shot close to 50k rounds last year. In the 6 months before the world shotgun match last year my buddy shot over 75,000 rounds of shotgun ammo.

gFlight. one of the perks of helping test new gear is that you keep it, and that's on top of anything you are owed via contract.

From: mn_archer
08-Feb-19

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Zbone,

sitting in dance class with my 4 year old daughter but I have a few pics on my phone

my pistol is a custom 2011 from a gunsmith in Missouri called tooth and nail armory. basically think colt 45 acp style but double stack mags and 9mm. I'm limited to 140mm mags for my division and they hold 23 rounds.

I have about 50k rounds on it so it's being rebuilt and I'm having a steel grip installed right now. It's at the finishing shop now getting treated with black nitride

From: mn_archer
08-Feb-19

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This is my PCC or pistol caliber carbine. it's used in some 3 gun matches but I got it mainly for uspsa pcc division.

It's a jp enterprises gun built by friends of mine right here in Minnesota.

From: mn_archer
08-Feb-19

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The top 2 are my main competition rifles. They are identical except the red one has a 16 in barrel and grey one is 18. I use the grey one as a backup and loaner gun and it gets shot a lot, but not by me. They are made by Patriot Weaponry in Wisconsin and are super hi end as far as ar's go. Think lots of titanium and carbon fiber. These sell for $3985 ea without optic and mount. They are a sponsor as well.

From: Salagi
08-Feb-19
Congratulations! Those are some nice looking guns. As others have requested, keep us posted.

08-Feb-19
That is way cool man! Quite an accomplishment. I've got several friends that participate in competitive shooting. Some 3 gun and some long range stuff. Man are their guns nice. They are good at what they do and their equipment is a very important part of it.

From: mn_archer
08-Feb-19
WV Mountaineer

If you want to be humbled someday go shooting with some good precision rifle guys. I used to think I was a pretty good rifle shot- till I started practicing with those guys

From: BowSniper
08-Feb-19

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WV - back in the day I ran USPSA but mostly open class. I would describe Limited guns as being like NASCAR where open class was crazy INDY speed.

My comp jets would occasionally blow out the lights at our indoor range! Lol

From: BowSniper
08-Feb-19

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For precision rifle, this was one of my favorite trick shots.... (stay with it to the end)

08-Feb-19
Great vid bowsniper.

Mike, I have and I most certainly agree. My buddy David does more of that then the 3 gun. He's got a 6.5 rig I shot last year. He doped it up, I slid in and the 12 inch gong at 500 yards was like shooting my deer rifle at 50. It was effortless to hit shot, after shot, after shot. I about halfway upset him telling him that it took little effort in doing so. Which I know is wrong since he had to adjust everything based on the wind and such. But, dang man it was just unbelievable how that gun turned a decent shot into what I was beginning to think was something special. Then he shot......

He set up at his 1000 yard gong and hit it 9 for 10 in rapid succession. At which point I mentally corrected that little thought in my mind that these guys aren't as good as the equipment made them appear. I bet he shot all 10 shots in under 60 seconds. Ding, ding, ding, ding, etc.... It was very impressive to watch. He went and got his gas gun and hit a 400 yard gong like childs play.

He was shooting Nightforce optics but, Bushnell gave him a deal he couldn't pass up. He was able to film himself shooting and the view had through the scope. It was interesting learning how the mil markings and his holding while shooting. It was cool to hear him explain where he was holding and then watching it through a monitor. Cause that thing got to swinging and dinging when he started shooting. :^)

It's amazing what some people can do.

From: mn_archer
09-Feb-19

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Bowsniper,

you would see rigs very similar to that today but most guys run 40sw, 38super comp, or 9mm mn major to make major power factor in both single and double stack.

Also you were a trend setter. Most run a frame mounted optic but lately many open division 3 gunners are going to a slide ride so they can run a hooded holster so it doesn't fall out running or doing an obstacle

also most are running steel grips such as mine here... also the grip safety is pinned

From: BowSniper
09-Feb-19
Yeah, most everyone had the modular 2011 STI grips made out of plastic. But that DID allow us to easily customize - note the undercut work I did below and behind the trigger guard on my grips, as well as the custom texture. We would use a soldering iron and "stipple" the grips dot by hundred of dots. lol

Those new machined frames sure do look pretty, and save a lot of work!

09-Feb-19
Congratulations Mike!!

From: Zbone
09-Feb-19
Are they now loading 9MM hot enough to reach major power factor? If so, WOW... Back in the day when .38 Supers came on the scene ya had to be careful loading them hot to make major... Those double stacks are to big for my hands, feels like holding a 2x4 to me...

From: mn_archer
10-Feb-19
Oh yeah but you dont want to shoot it in your stock Glock. Never pick up a 9mm at a range where they shoot uspsa.

Only hand loads, no factory offerings

From: BowSniper
11-Feb-19
If you ever wondered how Major-9 became competition legal, I can actually give you the backstory. The documentation came from a proposal put together by me and some buddies back in 2002. My only lasting legacy perhaps. Ha! :-)

If you remember way back, USPSA had just lowered the major power factor from 175 down to 165. At that time the popular European 9x21 was ruled to be legal for major. And doing some digging, we found the internal specs of that case are identical to the popular 9mm Luger (9x19mm) here. So if the 9x19 was loaded long to match the OAL of the 9x21, then the internal specs of those two cases are exactly the same! Thus same pressures, and same safety. So we argued that there is no way one should be major legal, and the other not.

We also found some super hot police only +++P ammo (Triton, I believe) to compare. It turns out that factory 9mm ammo is only tested with a short 4" barrel. So we shot the hot factory Triton ammo through a 6" race gun barrel and proved factory ammo can technically make 165 major!

We took some pics, wrote a letter to USPSA headquarters, attached documentation of brass dimensions provided by Starline, and viola'.... the BOD took a vote, and major 9 passed. I believe due to the evidence we were able to submit.

And as Paul Harvey says, THAT is the rest of the story. Lol.

From: BowSniper
11-Feb-19

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I even still have that old proposal in a digital file. Here is the 9x21 brass on left, Triton in middle, and typical Federal 9mm Luger on right.

From: BowSniper
11-Feb-19

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And our proof that Triton factory police loads can make 165pf major from a longer barrel race pistol.

From: BowSniper
11-Feb-19

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And the case spec info from Starline.

Luckily the 9x21 set the perfect legal precedent for Major-9 in the US! But I wouldn't try it with an ordinary gun. Only for custom race guns with supported barrels, etc.

From: slade
11-Feb-19
I would have to say this is one of the more informative threads I have seen, thanks for sharing a world I didn't know existed.

From: mn_archer
11-Feb-19
Pretty cool Adam,thanks.

From: Zbone
11-Feb-19
Cool BowSniper, thanks for sharing...

From: gflight
12-Feb-19
"Oh yeah but you dont want to shoot it in your stock Glock. Never pick up a 9mm at a range where they shoot uspsa. Only hand loads, no factory offerings"

Before the boating accident many years ago I played a little.

Used 4 grains of clays shotgun powder in my off the shelf .45 1911 to meet power factor but keep recoil down.

Would have liked to have got into it more but I rotate through hobbies too much. Jack of all trades master of none....

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