Remember JTV and others like “red flag” laws backed by Trump's administration. This just teaches police officers the proper way to confiscate citizens firearms without due process.
JTV said this is the best thing for Indiana as he has saw it first hand....
In Order to Have the Right to Due Process For ALL People You are darn right...
"I guess you want firearms in the hands of the mentally sick, the felons, the drug addled minds, the suicidal school kids, the wife beaters/the husband beaters, etc. ...."
Your feelings on this issue betray the Constitutional rights of every person in your state.
Bottom line.
It doesn't matter if I am a called a stupid SOB by a paranoid gun grabber I will always be vigilant.....
You can be a gun grabber and still support 2A.
Any law allowing "authorities" to take ANYTHING away from people who "they say are at risk of committing acts" is a violation of Due Process rights.
Do red Flag laws in Indiana work for cars as well?
What if the neighbor said I was going to run people down with my car?
Will "authorities" confiscate my vehicle in front of my neighbors?
Will they drag me into court and require me to prove I am innocent?
Will they make me get a lawyer or do they provide one for free that's substandard?
Will I get my car back? When? Is it asset forfeiture that will require me to get another lawyer to get it back?
I do not like them. They will be abused far more than they will stop a crime.
Relax some of the stupidity and they just might.
Why do support the suspension of due process???????
When a troubled teen takes their life in my area, it is by hanging. Not firearms.
Laws like these edge close to Gestapo activity...
HB 174 - Lost & Stolen Firearms – Penalty: If this bill passes, the firearm owner becomes the victim twice. First, when they get their firearm stolen and then they are punished for not reporting it within 72 hours of discovery. The felony levels increase if it happens more often. The punishment is a class 4 felony which, of course, means that not only will you be punished for the felony, but you will also lose your FOID card. Who will be affected by this? The law abiding gun owner. The criminal who stole the firearm doesn’t care and may be getting a lesser punishment than the victim.
HB 899 - Firearms Owners ID – Revoked: This bill provides that the Department of State Police shall revoke for one year a person’s FOID card if a person reports 3 separate theft incidents in a 2-year period.
"So, isn’t this a dandy situation. Under HB 174, if you don’t report a firearm lost or stolen, you lose your FOID card and under HB 899, if you do report your firearm lost or stolen you lose your FOID card. "
"The Ammo Tax Bill, SB 121, is another beauty. This bill puts a $.01 tax on every round of ammo that is sold in Illinois. That includes everything, .22’s, shotgun shells and center fire ammunition. The claim is that this will create a Community Mental Health Services Fund. As I have said before, mental health funding is a problem but why is it the gun owners’ responsibility? The State of Illinois created the local problems when they closed Zone Centers years ago and literally left those folks who needed help out in the cold. We now call them the homeless. If anyone thinks the state will reserve this or any other earmarked money for what it was intended, they are smoking dope. Remember the lottery and how it was supposed to fund schools? After a few years that money disappeared into the General Fund and the same will happen to this money. The purpose of this tax is to burden gun owners. The mental health idea is just putting lipstick on a pig."
Second, Fourth, Fifth, and Sixth Amendments are violated under these laws but hey its for the chillern.
Be a good little socialist and go get them guns from the (Jews) Muslims you have issue with in Indiana cause I heard from the neighbors they were plotting against you jack booted thugs (Nazis). Papers let JTV see your papers.....lol
Your law has citizens begging for their property that was confiscated or have it sold for them. Nazi Germany coming to a state near you.....
The idea that the guns are seized first, then you must go to court to get them back, is repulsive. It makes one want to store weapons in several places and/or build some clever hiding spots, so that you give up a few should they come to take your laws. I guarantee you this will be a weapon for vindictive ex-spouses. That happens so frequently with domestic violence protection orders as to keep me quite busy. I get about one a quarter that is ridiculously false.
And bear in mind, it's a few thousand dollars to fight these things. So, the wrongly accused has to spend a few grand to get back to where he should have always been.
It just disgusts me when people think it's ok to take people's rights/property without due process.
"JTV" ...Jeff, I am really surprised you 'think' .... Red-Flag law is a fix .... I think it is to broad and open to 'abuse' by vindictive people out to 'harm others' and they will use it to do just that!.... and politicians that passed these laws are a major part of that problem! ......."THEY" want to disarm America! .... that simple!
Remove the individual and give them due process .... it's NOT the gun that's the problem! That firearm will never hurt a individual, .... until the wrong bad vindictive individual picks it up to do harm. ...... Don't make criminals out of law abiding American citizens!...just my $.02 cents!
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A crazy man can easily get a gun illegally.........
You are really digging yourself a deep hole in with the gun grabbers......
The issue in the case should have been centered on the fact that the mentally impaired man was released from a psych ward. Decommissioning mental institutions in our country has caused more problems than most people realize.
The regime got to determine who was mentally ill and what rights they would lose.
Great scenario.
Don’t fall off your Segway patting yourself on the back.......
Stalin, Mao, Hitler, Hussein, and Castro would have loved you to be their guy....
What is your Job Jeff.... ??? No one here knows because you won’t say. Why ??? You want to beast on me about my job when you hide what you do for a living......... man up Jeff.
See..... I can play your insult game too......
