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Contributors to this thread:
JTV 09-Feb-19
Tjw 09-Feb-19
JTV 09-Feb-19
IdyllwildArcher 09-Feb-19
HDE 10-Feb-19
HA/KS 10-Feb-19
JTV 10-Feb-19
WV Mountaineer 10-Feb-19
Rocky 10-Feb-19
Rocky 10-Feb-19
newfi1946moose 10-Feb-19
slade 10-Feb-19
JTV 10-Feb-19
slade 10-Feb-19
slade 10-Feb-19
Rocky 10-Feb-19
Bowbender 10-Feb-19
Annony Mouse 10-Feb-19
Rocky 10-Feb-19
gflight 10-Feb-19
Rocky 10-Feb-19
slade 11-Feb-19
gflight 11-Feb-19
WV Mountaineer 11-Feb-19
HA/KS 11-Feb-19
JTV 11-Feb-19
Rocky 11-Feb-19
JTV 11-Feb-19
JTV 11-Feb-19
slade 11-Feb-19
WV Mountaineer 11-Feb-19
WV Mountaineer 11-Feb-19
Trax 11-Feb-19
Rocky 11-Feb-19
slade 11-Feb-19
Trax 11-Feb-19
'Ike' (Phone) 11-Feb-19
Trax 11-Feb-19
JTV 11-Feb-19
Rocky 11-Feb-19
HA/KS 11-Feb-19
JTV 11-Feb-19
Jim Moore 12-Feb-19
Annony Mouse 12-Feb-19
From: JTV
09-Feb-19

JTV's Link
https://www.trevorloudon.com/2019/02/trevor-loudons-2019-list-of-socialists-and-communists-in-congress/

"I’ve been asked to compile a list of socialists and communists in Congress. A friend of mine was challenged to name “even two socialists in Congress.” Altogether, if you add in Islamist connections I think about 100 members of the House of Representatives would struggle to pass a low-level background security check..but guess what? There are no security checks in Congress.

Here’s my list of 50 of the most obvious socialists in the House, with links to my website Keywiki for the backup evidence. Apologies to the many I’ve omitted. Please email me at trevor.newzeal @gmail.com if you’d like to be included in future lists."

Raul Grijalva (D-AZ) Has worked closely with the Communist Party USA since at least 1993. A self-described “Alinskyite.” Traveled to Cuba in 2015.

Ami Bera (D-CA) Has used Communist Party USA campaign volunteers in 2010, 2014 and 2016. Also close to Democratic Socialists of America.

Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) Very close to several key Communist Party USA allies in San Francisco in the 1970s and ’80s. Also some involvement with Democratic Socialists of America.

Barbara Lee (D-CA) Lee has been close to the Communist Party USA for decades. In the 1990s she was a leading member of the Communist Party spin-off Committees of Correspondence. Has been to Cuba more than 20 times.

Ro Khanna (D-CA) Very close to Democratic Socialists of America.

Salud Carbajal (D-CA) Long history with Democratic Socialists of America members.

Judy Chu (D-CA) Was heavily involved with the now-defunct pro-Beijing Communist Workers Party in the 1970s and ’80s. Still works closely with former members today. China’s best friend in the US Congress.

Raul Ruiz (D-CA) Worked closely with Workers World Party members in Massachusetts in the late 1990s.

Karen Bass (D-CA) Was actively involved with the Marxist-Leninist group Line of March in the 1980s. Still works closely with former members. Mentored by a leading Communist Party USA member. Also close to Democratic Socialists of America and some Freedom Road Socialist Organization members. Has been to Cuba at least 4 times.

Maxine Waters (D-CA) Long history with the Communist Party USA. Also ties to some Communist Workers Party and Workers World Party fronts. Has employed staff members from Democratic Socialists of America and League of Revolutionary Struggle.

Joe Courtney (D-CT) Has worked closely with several Communist Party USA leaders.

Rosa DeLauro (D-CT) Has worked extremely closely with the Communist Party USA for many years. Traveled to Cuba in 2014.

Jim Himes (D-CT) His 1988 thesis “The Sandinista Defense Committees and the Transformation of Political Culture in Nicaragua” was a sympathetic portrayal of Marxist government’s civilian spy network. Has worked closely with one Communist Party USA front group.

Kathy Castor (D-FL) Has worked closely with Cuba and pro-Castro organizations to open US trade with the communist island.

John Lewis (D-GA) Worked closely with the Communist Party USA and Socialist Party USA in the 1960s. In recent years has worked with Democratic Socialists of America members.

Tulsi Gabbard (D-HI) Has worked with Democratic Socialists of America members through her political career. Ties to some Filipino-American “former communists.” Worked with Communist Party USA affiliated former Congressman Dennis Kucinich to defend Soviet-Russian puppet Syrian leader Bashar-al-Assad.

Bobby Rush (D-IL) Former leader of the Maoist-leaning Black Panther Party. Has worked closely with Communist Party USA and Democratic Socialists of America. Has traveled to Cuba twice.

Jesus “Chuy” Garcia (D-IL) Has worked closely with the Communist Party USA for nearly 40 years.

Danny Davis (D-IL) Was a member of Democratic Socialists of America in the mid 2000s. Has worked closely with the Communist Party USA since the 1980s. Also close to Committees of Correspondence in the 1990s.

Jan Schakowsky (D-IL) Was a member of Democratic Socialists of America in the 1980s and has continued to work closely with the organization. Has also worked closely with some Communist Party USA members.

Dave Loebsack (D-IA) has worked closely with Socialist Party USA and Democratic Socialists of America members for many years.

John Yarmuth (D-KY) has worked with Committees of Correspondence for Democracy and Socialism members. Traveled to Cuba in 2011.

Jamie Raskin (D-MD) has worked closely with Democratic Socialists of America for many years.

Jim McGovern (D-MA) has supported Latin American socialist and revolutionary groups for 20 years. Has traveled to Cuba at least three times.

Ayanna Pressley (D-MA) Has been endorsed by Democratic Socialists of America. Worked with Freedom Road Socialist Organization front groups and with the pro-Beijing Chinese Progressive Association in Boston.

Andy Levin (D-MI) Close to Democratic Socialists of America for at least a decade.

Rashida Tlaib (D-MI) Democratic Socialists of America member.

Betty McCollum (D-MN) Close ties to communist Laos. Has worked with Democratic Socialists of America members. Traveled to Cuba in 2014.

Ilhan Omar (D-MN) Supported by Democratic Socialists of America- controlled groups Our Revolution and National Nurses United. Reportedly a self-described “Democratic Socialist.”

Bennie Thompson (D-MS) Was close to the Communist Party USA for many years. Also supported one Communist Workers Party organization. Traveled to Cuba in 2000 and worked with Fidel Castro to train leftist American medical students in Cuba.

William Lacy Clay (D-MO) Has worked with Communist Party USA fronts for many years.

Greg Meeks (D-NY) Has traveled to Cuba at least 3 times. Was a strong supporter of Venezuelan dictator Hugo Chavez.

Grace Meng (D-NY) Very close to the pro-Beijing Asian Americans for Equality. Was also active in a radical Korean-American organization.

Nydia Velasquez (D-NY) Close ties to Democratic Socialists of America. Welcomed Fidel Castro to Harlem in 1995.

Yvette Clarke (D-NY) Addressed a Workers World Party rally in 2005. A close ally of a prominent Democratic Socialists of America member. Traveled to Cuba in 2007.

Jerry Nadler (D-NY) Was a member of the Democratic Socialist Organizing Committee in the 1970s and was involved with Democratic Socialists of America in the ’80s and ’90s.

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY) A member of Democratic Socialists of America.

Jose Serrano (D-NY) Close ties to the Communist Party USA and Democratic Socialists of America. Was a strong supporter of Venezuelan dictator Hugo Chavez.

G.K. Butterfield (D-NC) Some connection to Workers World Party and Freedom Road Socialist Organization. Also close to the “former” communist led Moral Mondays movement.

Marcy Kaptur (D-OH) Ties to Democratic Socialists of America. Traveled to Cuba in 2002.

Earl Blumenauer (D-OR) Ties to Democratic Socialists of America.

Steve Cohen (D-TN) Close ties to Memphis Socialist Party USA members. Traveled to Cuba in 2011.

Sylvia Garcia (D-TX) Elected to the Texas State House with Communist Party USA support. Works closely with a major communist-influenced organization.

Eddie Bernice Johnson (D-TX) Long relationship with the Communist Party USA. Traveled to Cuba at least twice.

Marc Veasey (D-TX) Very close relationship with the Communist Party USA.

Lloyd Doggett (D-TX) Has been involved with Democratic Socialists of America since the 1980s.

Pramila Jayapal (D-WA) Has been involved with Freedom Road Socialist Organization-connected groups for many years.

Mark Pocan (D-WI) Close to some Democratic Socialists of America activists. Long-time active supporter of Colombian revolutionary movements.

Gwen Moore (D-WI) Has been mentored by leading Democratic Socialists of America and Communist Party USA members.

Eleanor Holmes Norton (D-DC) Former Young Peoples Socialist League member. Long connection to Democratic Socialists of America.

From: Tjw
09-Feb-19
Make me sick. f#@!* commies...

From: JTV
09-Feb-19
well, ok then ...... ;0)

09-Feb-19
Is Bernie Sanders not on the list because he's a Senator?

From: HDE
10-Feb-19
Forgot the (D's) from NM. Guilty until proven innocent is their cree, remember...?

From: HA/KS
10-Feb-19
Idyl yes. Representatives only. In the comments he talked about starting on a list of senators.

From: JTV
10-Feb-19
Could simplify it and list all 49 ^^ (includes 2 independents who caucus with those dems)

10-Feb-19
Most of the "sensible" contributors here have totally over looked these happenings. They would rather call Spike a conspiracy theorist instead. Folks, if you can't see this as a direct reason for our governments globalist outlook, please denounce your citizenship and move to the numerous places in the world you claim we need to mimic,

From: Rocky
10-Feb-19
V,

If not for my grandchildren, I believe the best medicine to cure the disease sweeping America would be to forgo capitalism, replaced by a taste of socialism. The provided list of ELECTED officials in "stunning" numbers, stunning only of course to those who have been sleeping while guarding the gates, is of no surprise. The present known list, increased further by those unknown, is the epitome of a representative government, who represent the people who elected them. These officials did not walk in and take a seat. They convinced, coerced and deceived, and, in the process afforded themselves free reign to further their own agenda.

Who are at blame? Those who I have warned many times over the years but continue to wait until their neck is under the edge of the sword to rebel.

The seeds have been planted when they should have been uprooted and exposed from their outset, but Americans had more pressing issues as in " what color siding should we install on our new shore house".

I have little to no faith in this America that has allowed itself not only to be invaded, but invaded with pomp and ceremony, changing forever the dynamics of a once proud powerful nation.

I am plugged in and have crissed- crossed this nation and listened to dissenting voices for a very long time and they do not include me and mine for the future.

We stand inspecting the wheels of the wagon that has slowed down and their parts for failure, when further up, under the harness, the blinkers and under the reins is the problem.

The Rock

10-Feb-19
Instead of telling the rest of us what to do, lead by example. I have not read anything in the press of what you have done above what the rest of us do.

Shouting dire warnings on the CF is not doing anything. Please post proof of what actions you are involved with besides what most of us do such as vote, communicate with legislators, contribute productively to society etc. Thanks.

10-Feb-19
Justin,

Instead of using words such as "sensible" and "mimick", for clarity purposes can you tell us exactly who you are referring to that has said we need to mimick. Please identify the country they said we need to mimick as well. I assume a post like yours must be referring to multiple participants, correct?

An inability to identify multiple individuals stating openly what we should mimick from a specific location is akin to doing the same as accusing the Covington kids of something they did not do IMO.

Further, reasonable people do disagree. Failure to understand how that may occur simply reflects ignorance.

From: Rocky
10-Feb-19
Frank, Have you been sleeping at the gates also. I posted on numerous occasions my family's association with Herbert Barness the conservative power broker dating back from the late 60's until Herbert's death in 1998. My grandfather and father were heavily invested with Herbert in conservative fund raising at his home a stone throws from my grandfather own home. Our family has invested time and money to further the conservative cause. I believe you are a school teacher. I would say our family has donated in funds alone over this period more than 40x your salary based on 60K a year. Invested time is immeasurable between hand shaking, events and Herbert's golf outings at his home which featured a 7100 yd., the 1st tee on his breakfast Vernada. The name of his private course for only the chosen few our family included was NanLyn. When Herbert died hius estate was sold and new homes built on the site including the golf course. I still possess the flag from the 18th hole. You want a picture? Had you paid attention you would have read in one of my posts that I have not voted since 1998 and have pulled all family funding from conservative fund raisers. Why? Because you had to be blind not to see the future forming right in front of you and the conservative conspiracy taking hold. Obviously with your storied educational and political background you knew that. Right? You had inside information. When Trump decided to run we backed HIM with our pockets once again, not the Republican Party.

Now tell me. What have you done besides soap boxing an sleep walking in your life?

The Rock

10-Feb-19
That is your family, and family's money. Your estimate of my salary is extremely low. You can find it on-line.

10-Feb-19
Any move to the socialist left by the Dems must be resisted; nay, prevented at any cost!

From: slade
10-Feb-19
Imagine that the Maverick is siding with the communists..........

From: JTV
10-Feb-19

JTV's Link
Imagine that, its the commie liberal professors doing the indoctrination .....

https://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/aoc-the-perfect-graduate-of-todays-biased-colleges/

From: slade
10-Feb-19
Careful guys, the Maverick might use his like minded thinkers standard fallback and call you a racist...........

From: slade
10-Feb-19

From: Rocky
10-Feb-19
Frank,

Never my intention to inquire or expose what others may earn. That is not my business. I simply used a mathematical average. You spoke way out of line of what others themselves may have been contributing. I believe I have grounds to question the politics in this country considering the time and money put forth in this now dysfunctional party. Now that the threat is real its time to save the country? The country is lost and has been lost and the hard headed who believed otherwise will whimper on the gallows.

Watch the news cycles Frank. Any news outlet and cycle. What in the hell can't you see?

There is always a savior and then ANOTHER savior. We identified Trump as the 5th finger in a six hole dike to simply buy time and a soft landing spot and I hope all others see it the same way for the good of the remnants of a once truly great society. When 2020 goes our way and it will, the end of the era is over. You have six more years to prepare your future elsewhere. How could you ask for more and to who would you be indebted?

The man who is discounted and disparaged every single day relentlessly, one Donald Trump.

The Rock

From: Bowbender
10-Feb-19
Frank,

"Further, reasonable people do disagree. Failure to understand how that may occur simply reflects ignorance."

Sorry, this isn't a discussion on what color to paint the living room, or should we put down real hardwood or laminate flooring. This is a discussion about the direction of this country. It's soul, it's heart. Try to have a "reasonable" discussion with AOC, Pelosi, or the rest of the socialist leaning left. You will be met with screaming, shouting, shifting goal posts, ambiguous and vacuous ideas. Of which any disagreement or challenge is met with cries of racist, homophobe, nationalist, white privilege..... There is no reasonable discussion, because the reality is, we should NOT be having a discussion about taking this country in a socialist direction.

10-Feb-19
Rocky,

I like it when I can understand you, so please read this and think about it just a little. I did yours and felt the need to respond respectfully.

Yes, I did speak way out of line, and so did you. That was my point. None of us know what the other has done, or their total life's experiences. I assume we each bring a unique perspective to the table, but lately as a nation instead of trying to understand others we attack and call them names. I think Trump has contributed to this more than most. You are right that he suffers attacks from all sides, yet I hope you can admit he is receiving some of what he has dished out his entire life.

Thank you for your contributions to causes you feel just. I mean that sincerely. And thank your entire family. You asked what have I done, probably more than you will ever recognize. One quick example that you could verify... Former Royals Mike Sweeney and his wife support pro-life causes. He held some fund raisers for pregnant young girls to fund their medical care and living expenses so they would give their kids up for adoption. We supported that and other similar events when we were invited and/or solicited. This is in line with what my Catholic upbringing taught me to do, and I think much more productive than wearing MAGA hats to a life rally. We speak of production being a major reason to support trump, let's try and be consistent.

On another thread, slade was critical of folks he calls Mavericks. I believe he is referring to Matt (Grey Ghost) and myself. On multiple occasions both Matt and I have stated support for trump's judicial appointments. Both of us think it may be his greatest contribution so far. Yet, when slade posted his comments, which either flow from being ignorant to what we posted, or worse, he intentionally lied to deceive, only one individual really challenged him-gflight. This behavior goes on because our side justifies it if we don't like the individual or agree with what they post. Just like the liberal side.

We look the other way when trump attacks someone. For example, John McCain deserves our respect for his having displayed major courage and love of his soldiers and nation. Yet, during the campaign trump made fun of him to cheers. The same group of people always proclaim their admiration for the WW2 heroes, as we should. But I knew several who grew up in my area, several that always voted D. It is easy to love people we really don't know, and to idolize them, and just as easy to tear someone down we see in public, warts and all. I am not going to apologize to say this bothers me, and it reflects more on us that it did John.

You asked me if I read the news. Seriously Rock. It is obvious I do. And it is obvious each of us bring a unique experience and perspective to the table. I am OK with people not thinking there is only one way.

You mention a savior, there is only One. I look to no man or woman for our redemption. It is my firm belief that God blest this nation's beginning, and continues to bless us. Trump is behaving in a way none of us predicted, and occupies the Oval Office because of God's Will. So, the number one thing Robin and I have done is ask God to continue providing proper guidance to our leaders. I hope this helps explain why I have no problem being critical of the man, and will also readily admit I in no way could do anywhere even remotely close to what he has accomplished. Actually, I hope this site has been monitored in some way by his people and hope they see all of us are not going to jump on board the trump train regardless of what he does.

Thank you again for a good discussion.

10-Feb-19
Thanks bowbender. But we have been having these discussions since before you and I were born. FDR is regarded as having pushed us further along the socialism trajectory, but many historians actually give him credit in preventing the nation from turning to communism. The Great Depression certainly challenged our commitment to markets.

From: Annony Mouse
10-Feb-19

10-Feb-19
Jeff,

As I recently posted, I attended a presentation sponsored by our Staff Development Office at our college. The topic was environmentalism/conservation.

It was presented by an English PhD professor. Though not a hunter himself, he was pro-hunting and spoke of our contributions to conservation.

Just my limited experience, yes most professors are left of center. Yet most take strides to present their subject matter objectively. Each student will only receive an education commensurate with what they put into it. This requires they not be just sponges, but have an inquisitive mind.

Education is an easy target for conservatives because unfortunately the vast majority of political contributions by teacher's unions go to Democrats.

I am the guy responsible at JCCC for teachers being notified each year that they can ask for their dues money back that would normally go to political actvities. Multiple teachers request the money be returned.

Teachers are no different than farmers lobbying for more subsidies, or businesses asking for special tax considerations etc.

Our problems are much more involved than the simple stereotyping that goes on.

From: Rocky
10-Feb-19
Frank,

Matters not what a man has accomplished in his life. Matter's only what he aspires to do.

Trump has given this nation, and his base is here to attest,a stop gap to liberal lunacy. Do you agree with last day abortions Frank? I would say your prayers are being answered by the Almighty in that Trump is vehemently against this also. You believe in socialism Frank. Again Jesus must have a warm spot in his heart for Trump also in this matter. How about illegal immigration, border security etc. Keep praying for Trump Frank because Our Lord is listening and moving Trumps hand.

I appreciate the civil, well thought out response to my post after all is said and done.

The Rock

10-Feb-19
Thanks Rock.

I absolutely abhor socialism.

I will repeat an often used quote by me, from a former editor of the WSJ;

"I place supreme faith in markets, democracy and the human capacity to adapt and prosper."

Rock, I am a Supply Side free marketer. Please make a mental note of that. I ask you not disrespect me with accusations that are easily verified as false.

We disagree on one other thing. Results matter. Trying is great, but not any where near as great as production. I hate second place, trying is for losers, winning is what counts. Gosh, sorry, too many sports growing up.

Thanks again.

10-Feb-19
Rock,

No, I do not support abortion. I am pro_life from conception. I make exceptions for life of the mother which I have had multiple doctors tell me with today's technology that is extremely rare.

I also believe in the "Morning After Pill" for rape and incest. God I pray I am not wrong with that.

From: gflight
10-Feb-19
"Matters not what a man has accomplished in his life. Matter's only what he aspires to do."

Promote based on potential rather than performance?

From: Rocky
10-Feb-19
gflight,

That you would question simplicity highlights your ignorance.

The Rock

10-Feb-19
Bowbender,

I reflected on your comments regarding Pelosi, AOC calling people names instead of having reasoned discussion. But read above as Slade basically calls me a communist.

I believe our side misses the extreme voices from the right. And by ignoring them we provide ammo to the left to conclude we are all like that.

Posters like Slade and JTV want you to believe if we do not hold the same positions as them, then we are socialists or communists. When the right cannot find room for a guy with my beliefs, you will end up in a small tent. Trump might not have enough time to invite others in, views on him have hardened. Is it worth it to have a leftist assigning judges two years from now?

From: slade
11-Feb-19
Bla, bla, bla Romney, McCain, Bushie ball-less/conservative-less blathering losers who do not have the guts or the determination to stand firm as you so eloquently demonstrate as you slither around looking for atta-boys and giving accolades to the bowlibs ....

There is only one reason Trump won and that my quisling is the majority of the voting populace on the right is tired of twaddling Maverick candidates who like you and your "fav" Rove think pompous appeasement is a virtue. The voting populus is tired of your "reasoned discussion" circle jerks which as a government tit suckler you think is accomplishing something.

Please call me a racist some more and sling your faux Christian mumbo-jumbo while questioning others beliefs and denigrating them, it only amplifies with clarity who and what you really are.

By your own admittance, your own conservative friends do not think you are a conservative, but only you who tangles with the majority of conservitives on the CF think you are the true voice.....

Keep playing the victim turncoat and I will keep jerking your chain...........

11-Feb-19
Slade,

You are nothing more than a dishonest person who has fallen into a cesspool. You are not jerking my chain. You have a sick twisted mind that allows you to make up facts that are not supportable. When called on it, all you can do is lie even more.

Trump is no conservative. And if his behavior continues, he will not have a second term.

You do not have courage, you are a weak pitiful person capable of nothing more than attacking. Insecure individuals behave that way.

I could care less if you or anyone here think I meet the definition of conservative. Unlike you, I have never needed someone like Trump to tell me what and how to think.

Trump does not stand up to people because of courage. He is a narcissist who cannot help himself and lashes out like you do at anyone who actually possesses the courage to think for themselves.

Slade, my words hit close to home and that is why you reacted the way you did.

If Trump won because people were tired of waffling, he will lose because they are tired of his behavior today. Kyle recently posted you had changed from the well respected voice you once was. You did not change, the real man you are came out when you thought it was now acceptable to be a jerk. You will try and morph to something else when current behaviors are no longer acceptable.

From: gflight
11-Feb-19
Splain it to me Rocky so I can be enlightened...

11-Feb-19
Results are measured and determined by intent and, what that produces. But, a life’s legacy will be remembered by results only, concerning those that don’t know you.

It’s that simple in the thick of things. Black and white is how it’s measured. Not degrees of grey. That’s how I feel about things because it simplifies problems. However, everyone wants their perspectives to be considered.

Consider this then. My business is struggling. Struggling worse then it ever has. Due to Trade negotiations. And the domestic wood market rebuilding. Instead of being pissed, I’m moving on when I can. Because it’s better for the greater good that has caused these hard times for me.

I wander how perspectives would make others feel in this situation? Because the average American gets wrapped up in the me part of things. How it affects them personally. Their “perspective” has caused the problems we have as a country. So, if it’s not black and white, it means it a problem.

There are many here that feel this way. I see it in their responses. Because they too recognize the need for yes or no. It might not be the best for every single person. But, it’s the best to right this country.

That’s the people here getting called ignorant, classless, clueless, etc.... By perspective I add. How ironic.

The question you posed earlier Frank is easily answered after understanding this. Yes, some of it was directed at you. Just like most of this post was. If you aren’t for righting this country to its constitutional roots, then many feel you are the problem. It isn’t that they don’t hold the same beliefs as you. It’s they don’t hold the degrees of compromise. And, at this point, that’s what this country needs. Please insert Trump as president for proof of Americans that understood that.

Maybe instead of assuming perspective about those that call you out, stopping long enough to understand that might help in further conversations.

From: HA/KS
11-Feb-19

HA/KS's embedded Photo
HA/KS's embedded Photo
Venezuela before and after.

From: JTV
11-Feb-19
well, he lost weight .. :0(

From: Rocky
11-Feb-19
gflight,

Some hear with the ears, some with their eyes and some with their pockets. Others still hear nothing at all. Be enlightened: The latter category is accepting members. If compelled, I prefer Chocolates in lieu of Flowers.

The Rock

From: JTV
11-Feb-19
HfW, I have NEVER called you a socialist, nor a commie... I have like others shown how squishy you are on many ideas and subjects ... You jumped on the Rove band wagon, because he said what YOU wanted to hear without knowing crap about the EGOPer ... he has always been a #NeverTrumper and you liked that ... Slade and others are correct about you and I love to see them call you to the floor every now and again ... There again, YOU could have had Clinton in office instead of Trump... Trump may be a lightening rod, he has done so good much for this country and I believe he will continue to do so ....just remember there will NEVER be the perfect POTUS... never ... you best hope like crazy the Dems dont ever get control of both the House/Senate and the POTUS seat, not with the radicals they have now.... Trump has highlighted the Dems for what they are, he has done the same with the FNM/MSM ...He is a fighter, not a Bush, Romney or a Kasich who would gladly roll over showing bellies .....I want a fighter in there, I want someone who is willing to fight in the Mud, not some wishy washy person who is willing to give in at the slightest drop of the polls ... That person right now is Trump ..

From: JTV
11-Feb-19

JTV's Link
Now this guy gets it !!

https://theresurgent.com/2019/02/11/ill-be-voting-for-president-trump-and-vice-president-pence-in-2020/

From: slade
11-Feb-19
Sling some more jabberwocky Maverick and don't forget to call me a racist again as you tout what a great Christian you are.

President Trump’s approval rating reached 52% on Monday following the State of the Union Address last Tuesday.

11-Feb-19
Justin & Jeff,

I will try and respond to as much as I can.

Justin, this is meant sincerely, I am sorry for your work challenges today. I have faced that myself and know the drain it is on financial, spiritual and emotional health. I also mean this sincerely, you seem to not be shy about working hard so I bet you will end up in a better place. You know you will, because your Faith tells you it is His plan. Please accept this as genuine, it is not intended to have you think differently of me, nor will I back away from defending what I have come to believe. Prayer sent your way.

Jeff, I am no socialist either. It is obvious after interacting with you on numerous posts and reading the totality of your participation here that Chris has called it right. You are intolerant of anyone who thinks differently than you and so out of ignorance must place them in some neat wrapper, like they are a socialist, to feel good about your own extremely biased view of the world.

Yes, I voted for Bush, twice. Both of them twice. Would do it again in the same circumstances. Rove was part of the deal with Bush for awhile. I accepted that. I also called him a moron the night of the election when FOX finally had to take him off the air because he would not accept a Romney defeat. Rove, Bush, and all the other EGOPers, socialists, etc. (insert all names I missed) as well as every human being including Trump get some things right, and some things wrong. Only a puppet continues to call them all one way as you do with Trump. Only people who have a motivation/agenda or folks too ignorant to think for themselves believe any one person is superior in all they do.

It is multiple sources saying trump will face a challenge due to his behavior. It is multiple sources that say he is having a more difficult time getting excellent people in key positions because of the way he has treated them. You, Justin, slade and others think the best way to move the conservative agenda forward is with some adversarial in your face, take no prisoner attitude. There are some of us who think this will do more damage to the conservative agenda, and our culture, in the long run than it will help in the short run. Evidently, so do a growing number of people.

You are all being challenged right here, right now. Enumerate what part of the conservative agenda have we rejected? Conservative judges? Markets? Gun rights? Free Speech? Freedom of Religion? Which one? None, you are nothing but deceivers, and if done with malice, nothing but liars.

It is not the agenda, it is the tactics. I refuse to accept trump as some god. His past is an accounting of his character, and tells me I would be thrown under the same bus he has thrown many others under. A real man treats his wife with more respect. If a man fails to do that, he will come up short with everyone else, it is just a matter of time.

He is infinity times better for this nation than Hillary, both in the short and long run. But that does not make him palatable by any stretch. We get what we deserve. I am tired of so many good people here giving the guy a free pass, disavowing what they have stood for their entire lives just because of why? I really don't understand it. I accept he is better than the alternative, I don't accept he is setting this nation up for conservative long run success. Read what is going on, the tide is turning, opinion is changing against him. He is too narcistic to recognize it himself, and my bet is he will not listen to his advisors for any length of time that helped him soften his tone at the SOTU. He will resort to the only thing he knows, attack.

If common decency, willingness to accept other view points, courteous behavior, loyalty and faithfulness to wife and family are traits of socialists/communists today in your eyes, then yes I must be one. A return to Constitutional framework is great, but as I stated in previous posts, the 3 branches and their checks and balances are exactly what our FF established with this Republic. We need to win by working within the system, by winning the hearts and minds that conservative thinking is superior for all. Packaging counts as much as the message, that is simply a fact!

11-Feb-19
Justin,

For you...

Please answer my question. You accuse me of attacking you. I have.

You asked me to try and understand why I get called out. I am.

Answering my question will help with that. Who exactly have I said we should mimic, and what exactly did I say we should mimic? You avoided answering that question.

We both know why, I never said anything like what you have accused me of. When someone is dishonest towards me or about me, whether intentional or mistaken, I take the gloves of. I give them a chance to admit their accusation(s) was in error. You fail to either prove I said anything, or admit your error. I extend you no respect for that.

Now, I will give you an example that I have never said here. I do think we should look into Singapore's Health Care System to see if it has any merit. Obviously it is just a starting point to me. I do believe in Universal Access to health care for all US citizens. I believe it must be market driven. I do not recognize this as a Constitutional Right, but rather a moral imperative for a nation that has been so blest. I will leave it to slade to post the percentage of Americans supporting some form of health care coverage for all.

Yes, I intentionally avoided universal coverage because that is not accurate IMO, and also because of the negative image this arouses.

Maybe this will help you understand how you are seen, and help you with future conversations between us.

11-Feb-19
Frank, i didn’t avoid answering anything. if you will read my last post, I’m a black or white kind of guy. Because that’s what it is going to take to fix this. In my mind and, many others, it is a “With us or against us” mentality.

Meaning, when you openly oppose a man that operates the same way, with tenacity to uphold his promise to MAGA, you aren’t going to draw favorable results. Based purely on people perspective.

So, while you haven’t named a better place, you seem to oppose most of his black and white approach. Therefore, pick a place. Cause the America we all want is the America he is fighting to get back.

Thank you for the prayers. We need them.

11-Feb-19
Justin,

I openly support him, even here when I agree. I have stated here I support his judicial appointments, his tax cuts, his deregulation, his attempts at border security (even the wall and or barrier if that is what his experts determine is the only way), his views on illegal immigration, allowing experimental medicines to be tried before FDA approval by those in terminal conditions, his standing up to China, his improvements in our military weaponry/readiness. I think I have supported him on other issues as well, but can recall posting words on these items. And yes, I realize he is not doing it single handedly, so not wanting to short change his administration, but he deserves more of/most credit as the buck stops with him IMO.

I have also stated when I disagree, like his temperament, and style, his disrespect of his wife and people he fires, his tweets that are antagonistic, or generally his failure to act Presidential.

Some how I thought we cherished that in Americans, the willingness and courage to say what we think? Now, some of us see some of you as nothing more than complete trumpettes who will do anything, say anything, attack anyone who points out something they disagree with. Our system is stronger than that, it can handle the criticism. That is what a free press should do, but instead, trumpettes feel the opposite of what our press does is what must occur. The press attacks him, so everyone else that is not a D must support him unquestionably. I can't Justin, I support the virtue and ideal of FREEDOM, not any one man. I am not a Calvanist for a reason, I don't believe in pre-destiny. I believe our love of God chosen freely is what makes it our greatest gift to Him, and back to us. I will bow to no man, even when I am called despicable names. When trump supports freedom, I support him. When he endangers that goal by allowing our House to go D, and yes he does bear some responsibility, because of his childish self-serving behavior, I will call him on it.

The America we want is not an America I hope where we disparage people constantly, cheat on people including our spouses, change parties like underwear whenever it suites us, file multiple bankruptcies, hire illegals while lecturing others not to, avoid our military obligations etc.

I quote you;

"So, while you haven’t named a better place, you seem to oppose most of his black and white approach. Therefore, pick a place. Cause the America we all want is the America he is fighting to get back. "

You said "seemed to oppose most..." That is obviously an inaccurate statement. Maybe you do not read closely enough what others write Justin. But, I believe you are obligated to make accurate accusations if you post them publicly. That is why we have had many conflicts. This is what I see you do, make accusations without any credibility attached to them. Your quote now admits I did not do what you accused me of, minus an apology. And yes, I expect more from you.

BTW, building is booming again in our metro area.

Another prayer sent.

11-Feb-19
Frank, I don’t know what else to say. Other then what I’ve said here and in the past. No one, especially me, has stated there aren’t things you haven’t approved of. Yet, only that you have openly ridiculed him for simply being him.

11-Feb-19

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Justin,

How many openly ridiculed Obama for just being Obama?

So, is this a forum where we all have to agree, and if we don't we are communists? That is laughable, I hope you agree.

Slade,

Article attached. Read closely. Trump's approval rating was the lowest so far in January, lowest even amongst Republicans. Yes, his approval jumped up dramatically after SOTU. He changed tactics and style. Thanks for making the point that people are sending a message, change or else.

From: Trax
11-Feb-19
The list is incomplete of course but a good indicator. It's pretty easy to see why Congress is so unwilling to work with a conservative president and back only left wing ideals. The crazy far radical left of the Democrat Party is beginning to scare even Democrat leaders. They are all traitors, and should be treated as such.

From: Rocky
11-Feb-19
Frank,

Make my "presidential" medium rare if you would be so kind. I have never had table fare as delicious that was economically rooted in the character of a president.

The beloved presidential John Kennedy, the king of the one liners of patriotism that sent chills down the spines of every American and whore master of the stars and the underworld.

Now tell me again about Donald Trump and that which you disapprove on a full stomach.

The Rock

11-Feb-19
Rock,

Please go back to your writing style that was direct.

I outlined my disagreement clearly.

It is my view. Held by many others. I believe in results, not trying. On to 2020.

From: slade
11-Feb-19
THOUSANDS OF SUPPORTERS Line Up to See Trump in El Paso – Hundreds Arrive 24 Hrs Early – 75,000 Request Tickets For 8,000 Seat Arena

Appeasement quislings not needed...............

11-Feb-19
How many illegals he just fired going to be there cheering him on;-)

From: Trax
11-Feb-19
"It is my view. Held by many others. I believe in results, not trying. On to 2020."

So you LOVE President Trump then?

As of early last fall President Trump had accomplished over 60% of his campaign promises, and it would have been more if it wasn't for Congress. In two years. That by a number of sources including the ACU, who is not shy. President Trump's production is impressive, his production for the positive in terms of we the people unprecedented.

11-Feb-19

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'Ike' (Phone)'s embedded Photo

11-Feb-19
Trax,

No, I don't love Trump.

Yes, I love the conservative victories he is racking up.

I am not satisfied to rest on those laurels. Changing style, tactics and tone will secure more victories, IMO.

I have asked if you are part of his administration. Your tone seems less confrontational. Not a coincidence is it?

From: Trax
11-Feb-19
"I am not satisfied to rest on those laurels. Changing style, tactics and tone will secure more victories, IMO."

Trump has always operated in his present manner. He always will. It has brought him nothing but success.

"I have asked if you are part of his administration. Your tone seems less confrontational. Not a coincidence is it? "

I generally do not answer stupid questions. Give me something to be "confrontational" about. Clear enough doughhead?

From: JTV
11-Feb-19
Lol ..

From: Rocky
11-Feb-19
Frank,

We are all practical when it concerns ourselves and idealists when it concerns others.

What is it you expect from Trump? A president that has produced for the nation is not enough? You need a altar boy and one who speaks as you would, if president?

How did that waste zero perform for the country who was deemed so presidential? A real class act sneaking in tax payers CASH on skids in the middle of the night to a rogue regime. Count your blessing that God Himself delivered a Trump to this nation when the opposite was all but a guarantee. You believe in God Frank. Why did you think that would be?

The Rock

11-Feb-19
Two divorces, multiple bankruptcies are successes?

Lol is right.

11-Feb-19
Not an altar boy, just someone who could accomplish successes and act presidential. Same I guess we expect of our leaders at work and charities etc.

Are the two mutually exclusive Rock? If so, please explain why.

From: HA/KS
11-Feb-19

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HA/KS's embedded Photo

From: JTV
11-Feb-19

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JTV's embedded Photo
Two divorce's is nothing in todays society and for bankruptcies, you dont make billions without breaking the bank once or twice either ... Trump is now POTUS and has a wonderful wife ... you keep fighting till you get to the top, if that is what you want ... some are happy where they are and dont need a ton of money ....however, a little extra IS always nice .. but then you get the extra and the lousy dems want to take it away via taxes !! ... Thank you POTUS Trump ...

From: Jim Moore
12-Feb-19
You can add the Nevada State Senators and 3 of the 4 congress persons to this list.

From: Annony Mouse
12-Feb-19

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