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TD 15-Feb-19
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From: TD
15-Feb-19

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15-Feb-19
Start building and don’t stop till it’s done no matter what the court says.

15-Feb-19
So many Constitutionalists!

Remember that document? Maybe some of you need to re-read it. Book on tape perhaps?

From: TD
15-Feb-19
It's unarguably a national security issue and foreign policy issue. Has nothing to do with immigration. Nothing. Many border crossings to do so legally.

That is hands down exactly what the constitution lays out as to who has authority to do what. It's not a war nor a treaty, congress can go pound sand. And he can pull funding from where ever he has access to funds.

Not only that..... makes the leftists and never Trumper's run around shrieking with their skirts over their heads. That's always a good thing.....

From: bigeasygator
15-Feb-19
Curious, what’s changed to necessitate a national emergency (beyond Trump making it a big part of his campaign)? Border crossings are near all time lows. I don’t recall anyone jumping to declare an emergency when Bush was President when crossings were MUCH higher. By all metrics the southern border is more secure now than its ever been. So what makes the situation an emergency now? This seems less like an emergency and more like the President circumventing the legislative process to uphold a campaign promise. His comments only reinforce this feeling.

From: stagetek
15-Feb-19
A complete idiot, and fool. The only real National Emergency is the Trump presidency itself.

From: Rocky
15-Feb-19
What HE says is a complete non starter for the SC. The case being presented and argued will be: Is the security of the nation and the protection of its people from imminent harm (drugs) and breached sovereignty (illegal immigration) grounds for a National Emergency?

Simple question to which the answer is known beforehand to the affirmative.

Trump will prevail on these grounds when SC takes it up and they will.

The Rock

From: Annony Mouse
15-Feb-19
Preemptive Putzie Post: Current Active National Emergencies

CURRENTLY ACTIVE NATIONAL EMERGENCIES (BY DECLARING POTUS)

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Trump: UNPRECEDENTED

Easy to declare a national emergency when the Democrat Party decides that there should be no border and protect any and all who cross into this country illegally...criminals by definition.

From: HA/KS
15-Feb-19

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From: Owl
15-Feb-19
Agree with KPC. He does the right thing but in the most ham-fisted ways. Just tees it up for the opposition. Granted, the opposition would still exist but, geesh, make 'em sweat for it a little.

From: Woods Walker
15-Feb-19
Sweat it? Nah....I'd rather see them sh*t blood, which is what they'll be doing from now on. Trump plays them like a Stradivarius. Every time.

From: Michael
15-Feb-19

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From: Woods Walker
15-Feb-19
PERFECT!!!!!!

From: Rocky
16-Feb-19
HH,

I never thought they had a chance in 2020. "Tax the rich, feed the poor till there are no rich no more." Now you can tax the poor and find the funds for a wonderful, free socialists America. Let's see those figures, giving with one hand and begging with the other.

The Rock

From: BowSniper
16-Feb-19
Who says border crossing are near all time lows? That's not true at all. And people are now going to repeat Dem talking points as if true, without fact checking?!?

The latest numbers from border patrol had illegal border arrests near all time HIGHS at over 60,000 a month! (most recent stats Oct, Nov, Dec - 2018).

And that is only the ones we catch! How many more get through? This is on track for 1 million illegal invaders a year. Certainly a national emergency!

What I want to know is how many of those 60,000 a month are deported? And since they are not talking about it, I think the answer would make you sick....

From: scentman
16-Feb-19
I remember back to the Reagan yrs. I started paying attention to politics...ranchers were complaining that their land was a crossing route for smugglers and illegals, they wanted to form posses to detract the flow... that was 3 decades ago! How many have come thru since then? Unvaccinated, children, criminals, terrorist's. Come on bleeding hearts, use some common sense on this issue.

From: bigeasygator
16-Feb-19

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”Who says border crossing are near all time lows?”

The Trump administration did. These are the lowest apprehensions we’ve seen in 40+ years.

From: scentman
16-Feb-19
Show me a chart of how many entered.

From: Grey Ghost
16-Feb-19
BEG,

Anyone with room temperature or higher IQ knows this is a manufactured emergency for political capital. The same game played out in 2013, except the roles were reversed.

People have either short, or selective, memories around here.

Matt

From: scentman
16-Feb-19
sandwiched between two libs with the same old talking points... go figure.

From: BowSniper
16-Feb-19

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BEG - who is talking about ancient history? Your latest info citing March 2018 was a YEAR ago, before mass caravans of migrants (organized, funded, and coached by scumbag democrat traitors to exploit our border laws, BTW).

I said the current/latest data... see Oct, Nov 2018 just out from CBP. A modern era graph, for all months. Not just your favorite March's from a decade ago. Illegal immigration is now the worst its been in the last 5 years, worse than 58 of the last 60 months. After your selective liberal walk down memory lane, the good old days when you were trying to overthrow the country unopposed.

Illegal border jumpers are now on a dramatic increase. Over 60,000 a month now in recent (read: latest/current) data. With tens of thousands more marching this way.

From: stagetek
16-Feb-19
The loyal Trump supporters on here are fools as well. jtv probably heads the list. You actually believe this guy when he lies to your face !! Over and over he tells his lies, And, over and over you believe him. It's sad enough that "he" believes them. Fools and idiots, pretty much describes the Republican party of today. Some Republicans are starting to figure it out. But, few, very few of the mentally challenged on this site get it !

From: elkmtngear
16-Feb-19
stagetek, your post rings of someone who eats liberal media day after day, and slowly becomes a tool of the media, lives a sad, sheeplike existence, and lacks the ability to contribute to reasonable discourse. In the words of Yoda "Don't give in to hate...this leads to the Dark Side"...

From: ahunter76
16-Feb-19

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From: TD
16-Feb-19
"Apprehended"is a sick joke and the leftists know it. Apprehended means they are assigned a court date and released...... escorted to a sanctuary city never to be seen again. Might as well have never caught them in the first place. AND obviously doesn't count those that weren't caught. But you guys know that. The way it stands now they get in...... they are in. Period.

A physical barrier of the right design and in the right places and guess what..... the number of "apprehended" that the leftist tout will go down to REAL numbers, record numbers. You guys march out those numbers, talking them up as good numbers...... right up until it can be shown those numbers would plummet even more..... then it becomes a bad thing..... mostly because you KNOW it will be effective.

It's NOT about catching them AFTER they have committed the crime and crossed. It's about doing what you can to prevent the crossing in the first place. But again.... the leftists know this.....

From: Woods Walker
16-Feb-19
TD X2

From: bigeasygator
16-Feb-19
“BEG - who is talking about ancient history”

Me. That was the entire point of the post, BS. When I said historic lows, I wasn’t talking about two years of data. The point was that no one was calling this a national emergency when border apprehensions were three to four times what they are now in 2000. Even these “elevated” levels of apprehensions are lower than basically 42 of the last 45 years.

From: bigeasygator
16-Feb-19
I don’t think it’s an emergency, by any measure out there related to illegal immigration. You want to acquiesce to an expansion of executive powers based on nothing but rhetoric and cherry picked information, that’s fine, JTV. But you, and anyone else that does, should stop calling yourself conservative.

From: HA/KS
16-Feb-19

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From: HA/KS
16-Feb-19

From: TD
16-Feb-19
So all those "National Emergencies" WRT foreign countries the last 3 or 4 administrations were dire emergencies relating to the US? Really? Do you remember exactly WHEN each of these "emergencies" were declared? Do you remember the emergency that Trump declared earlier? Why not?

Why is easy. Because of leftist hate for anything Trump. This gives Trump ANOTHER promise he made to cross off a quite long list. More Trump winning for America. And that grates at liberal leftists, to their core. Not to mention totally blows up their plans for open borders. More welfare or "social programs" and consequently more illegal voters who they want to allow to vote, one way or another.

And makes liberal skirts go up over heads..... again, that never gets old.....

From: Brian M.
16-Feb-19
BEG and Stagetek, what WOULD you consider an emergency, if 400k+ being caught isn't? Not to mention how many are getting through. How much are those 400k costing American taxpayers to process, house, feed, etc? A bit more than $6B, tens of $B more. WHY do you want all of these illegals coming in? I understand that you hate Trump, but would you rather our country be invaded just to see him fail? How many violent criminals coming in are OK for you? Even if it's only 1%, that equals 4000. How many American and legal immigrants lives are ok to sacrifice for your hatred of Trump? We have enough homegrown criminals, we don't need to import more. No name calling here, just reasonable questions that Dems don't seem to want to truthfully address. Remember, there wouldn't be any separation of families either, if they're stopped from coming in without paperwork.

From: HA/KS
17-Feb-19

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From the link.

"A new map posted by HowMuch.net breaks down the economic toll of illegal immigrants state by state, and their findings are extremely troubling.

Using information gathered from the Federation for American Immigration Reform, How Much’s map shows how much money illegal immigrants cost American taxpayers on a state-by-state basis."

From: bigeasygator
17-Feb-19
Lol I always love these economic arguments. The ones that quote the perceived costs of illegal immigrants to the US taxpayer. Every time they ignore the economic benefit that they are getting via cheap labor from undocumented workers. At worst, it’s an economic wash. American citizens are far more costly to the taxpayers in this country when it comes to “education, welfare, law enforcement, and medical care.” Y’all ready to declare an emergency on We the People?

From: Brian M.
17-Feb-19
So the lost lives, rapes, and other crime don't matter?

From: bad karma
17-Feb-19
A sovereign nation must control its borders, and who enters the country. Anything else is nonsense.

From: gflight
17-Feb-19
Statistically more cops equals more crime....

If you don't enforce your numbers will be lower.

From: HA/KS
17-Feb-19
"President Trump's wall costs less than the ObamaCare website—Let that sink in."

I researched this a bit and apparently the total cost of the federal and state exchange sites was indeed more than $5 billion.

From: Zbone
17-Feb-19
Heard he is going to use El Chapo Guzman bounty... From what they say it's totally legal to confiscate and use it too...

From: Annony Mouse
17-Feb-19

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Not only illegals, but drugs are coming across the border in increasing amounts...

From link:

"...It’s cheap. And abundant. That is why we are seeing a dramatic escalation of crystal methamphetamine use because it is being shipped to our county at the border. People aren’t making it anymore, because it comes here so cheap from Mexico.”

Cleveland says meth labs started popping up in Ashtabula in 2002, but due to a crackdown “in the last 18 months, we’ve seen almost a wholesale elimination” of them. “That void . . . is being filled by Mexican cartels bringing meth across the borders,” he adds.

The DEA has pinpointed Akron, Ohio, as one of the major drop-off points for meth coming from Mexico and being distributed throughout the Midwest and Northeast..."

From: Annony Mouse
17-Feb-19
Article makes a damned good case as to the "why" the Democrats are so opposed to securing our borders...they are being bought and paid by the Mexican drug cartels. A by-product of their open border policy is replacements for the Democrat voter base population. Under Trump, Blacks and HIspanics are fleeing the Democrats realizing that there is opportunity in American and they don't have to be holdem for long unfilled promises made by their Democrat overlords.

democrat hysteria over Trump’s national emergency suggests they are being bribed by cartels

From: slade
17-Feb-19
But,but, we were told the drugs only come across by sea and cargo...................

From: HA/KS
17-Feb-19

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18-Feb-19
KPC x 3. You don’t have to try and convince everyone you are in charge when everyone already knows you are in charge.

From: TD
14-Mar-19
Senate votes to repeal emergency declaration. Trump says he will veto. Kinda doubt they have the 2/3 needed to overrule veto.

And on that note..... now's the time to start your Senate purge list and note those who voted against. Make sure it's hammered home they abandoned border security and the rights of the President to control security matters in favor of a Trump middle finger. Bludgeoned.

Senators Mitt Romney, Lamar Alexander, Susan Collins, Lisa Murkowski, Rob Portman, Rand Paul, Roy Blunt, Roger Wicker, Marco Rubio, Pat Toomey, Jerry Moran, and Mike Lee.

14-Mar-19
The political landscape is changing in KS. Moran's vote not a total surprise. The east side of the state is getting to be purple.

From: Michael
14-Mar-19

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From: HA/KS
14-Mar-19
"The east side of the state is getting to be purple."

I think you mean the urban areas. They are not purple, they are far beyond that.

Moran has never been as much conservative as republican.

From: Michael
14-Mar-19

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From: gflight
15-Mar-19
F the Constitution, right guys...

That dang Paul and Lee standing up for the Constitution, my God the nerve of them...

Bet your glad Trump has 0bamas pen and cell phone.

From: gflight
15-Mar-19
Maybe if Trump didn't bow down to the Democrats he would have had the money for the wall?

From: BowSniper
15-Mar-19
While the libs would argue that congress controls the budgetary purse strings, the conservatives will argue that the President controls national security and the border. Both legitimate arguments of constitutional powers.

I think Trump maintains the upper hand here as chief executive. While congress set limits for total expendatures for the various branches of government, I believe Trump will prevail with Presidential discretion as to how those funds might be shifted to deal with national emergencies, national defense, and border security. The ultimate role of the federal government.

From: BIGHORN
15-Mar-19
I support building the wall!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

From: Fivers
15-Mar-19
If the House and Senate would vote for what is best for the Country, and not just against Trump, we wouldn't even need to be having this discussion. I'm glad that Trump has the constitutional powers to do this, when congress is just doing this to spite him. I would have a difficult time back his decision if he had a congress that would actually want to work with him and for the Country...but we don't have that right now.

I still say that there is a lot of money lining the pockets of those that want to keep the border open, and the wall will make it that much more difficult to keep the money rolling in. This has nothing to do with workers or asylum, it has to be personal to all of those opposing the wall, it has to be all about money or other gratuity of some sort.

From: Annony Mouse
15-Mar-19
Follow the money (note: internal reference links):

Democrats Are Reportedly Being Paid Off By Mexican Drug Cartels To Keep The Borders Wide Open

Prominent Democrats, such as Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi, Kyrsten Sinema and Hillary Clinton, as well as the DNC itself, are reportedly being paid by drug cartel kingpins to fight against border wall legislation.

The reason: So illegal drugs and human trafficking can continue to flow through America’s southern border.

Last month, The Gateway Pundit wrote an article about how former Mexican President Enrique Peña Nieto accepted a $100 million bribe from Joaquín “El Chapo” Guzmán of the Sinaloa Cartel:

Alex Cifuentes, a witness who says he was a close associate of Guzmán for years, told a New York City courtroom that he had told authorities of the bribe in 2016.

Guzmán is accused of being behind the Sinaloa drug cartel, which prosecutors say was the largest US drug supplier.

Mr Peña Nieto served as the president of Mexico from 2012 to 2018.

Guzmán, 61, has been on trial in Brooklyn since November after he was extradited from Mexico to face charges of trafficking cocaine, heroin and other drugs as leader of what the US has called the world’s largest drug cartel.

Jeffrey Peterson, a former Democrat and founder of Quepasa (MeetMe), thinks the corruption between drug cartels and Mexican government officials has leaked over to the United States; more specifically, to the Democrat party.

This may be why Democrats are fighting tooth and nail to stop any kind of border wall legislation. They do not want, and will never support, a physical barrier between the U.S. and Mexico as long as the (alleged) corrupt payoffs from cartel killers continue to line their pockets!

In a January tweet, Peterson said the following:

“For anyone who doesn’t believe they’re all very good friends and quite connected, here’s a picture of Pelosi, my former friend Kyrsten Sinema, and someone else, at a baseball game together. It is what it is.”

He continued:

“With as much influence running up into their system now in the form of direct and indirect Mexican billions, Patriots might start to understand the TRUTH about why these two are feeling so much pressure recently.”

It is a known fact that Mexican drug cartels have donated to Hillary Clinton.

Julian Assange, the founder of WikiLeaks, revealed he has evidence the Clinton Foundation received $15 million from cartel leaders.

According to another piece from The Gateway Pundit:

On 9 January 2017, the web site Times.com.mx published an article reporting that Mexican Drug kingpin Joaquín “El Chapo” Guzmán had donated millions of dollars to Hillary Clinton’s 2016 presidential campaign, claiming that WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange had broken the news.

So, if all of the above information is true, it isn’t surprising many in the Democrat party want to continue pushing for open borders.

If their ultimate goal is to become even more wealthy than they already are (at the expense of the safety and security of common citizens), why wouldn’t they?

From: BIGHORN
15-Mar-19
The Denver Post is a Liberal rag of a newspaper. They print all the Liberal comments but will not print Conservative views. I know because I sent them my comments several times and they never show up.

From: slade
15-Mar-19
Glie with standing with Mittens, no surprise........ These spineless Capons knew it would be vetoed......

From: slade
15-Mar-19
Attorney General Bill Barr Defends President Trump in Oval Office “Your Declaration of Border Emergency is CLEARLY AUTHORIZED”

From: Annony Mouse
17-Mar-19

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Fun Fact: 100% of Illegals entering this country are criminals from the get-go.

From: Annony Mouse
17-Mar-19

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Pelosi's new Americans...

From: gflight
18-Mar-19
OK Trumpettes, have you gotten the call to beat up Senators yet or does he want you to beat up Americans?

“I can tell you I have the support of the police, the support of the military, the support of the Bikers for Trump — I have the tough people, but they don’t play it tough — until they go to a certain point, and then it would be very bad, very bad.”

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