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The Department of Justice (DOJ) issued the Bump Stock Type Devices Final Rule late last year. This criminal regulation retroactively bans ownership of bump stocks, an accessory that helps shooters fire semi-automatic weapons more quickly by bumping the trigger with their finger when the gun recoils.

When the 90-day compliance window closes on March 26, lawful purchasers of some 520,000 bump stocks must have either surrendered their devices or destroyed them. Absent judicial relief, this regulation will convert all remaining owners of bump stocks into felons without action by Congress.

But the various lawsuits pending against the rule are not about guns or gun rights. Rather, these suits ask whether DOJ may create new criminal laws without involving Congress. The Constitution’s answer is a firm no. New criminal laws must clear the twin constitutional hurdles of “bicameralism” (passage by both houses of Congress) and “presentment” (Presidential signature or veto override).

Even a staunch gun control advocate like Senator Dianne Feinstein has recognized that Congress must be the one to act here: “Until March 2018, ATF maintained that bump stocks could not be banned through administrative action. Legislation is necessary to ensure a ban is implemented and regulations are not tied up in court.” Likewise, the Obama Administration faced tremendous pressure from allies to ban bump stocks via regulation but decided that it could not lawfully do so unilaterally. A pen and a phone would not suffice for this.

Chess & Checkers. When will some see the light?

You must not stalk me as much as I thought?

I posted thoughts on the unconstitutionality of this at the onset well before I substantiated it with any articles like this one from Forbes.

Then again there is nothing new under the sun so what is an original thought.

Is it original if God already knows I will think it?

I swore an oath to defend the Constitution of the U.S.

This is a blatent disregard of the Constitution by the President.

I expect Democrats to remain silent but some of the treasonous folks here really surprised me by outright defending a president writing criminal law and calling for the violation of due process.

Traitors really disgust me...

I don't like him because he is a draft dodger who is violating the Constitution and pushing gun control.

You only see me speaking on the liberal stuff he does. I have gave credit for his Conservative actions.

You Trumpettes are the reactionary ones as proven on this thread.....

It's really that simple. Doesn't matter if the supporter is my best friend or worst enemy.

Been a supporter of Trump since he won the nomination. I like his street fighter, counter-punch take no shit from anyone style. Just don't support him on this.

Just like he tried to take the old woman's property with government help.

As long as he throws you bread at the coliseum you're good to go.....

Matt

I had come to believe that you were on a one on one basis with yourself considering politics. Your running to the outer reaches of the left has caught me by surprise a bit.

The Rock

I really want to think national reciprocity is a good idea. And as much as I would like to see it, I'm a bigger fan of states rights. The feds giveth....the feds taketh away. Never, ever forget it.

Your last sentence says it all. If the government ever enacts legislation to remove the second amendment, our country no longer exists. It will be up to each individual to make difficult choices.

I do not believe, and pray, that it will ever come to that.

Live free or die.

Fully understand our rights are enumerated, not granted by the USC. The BOR was written to limit governments power, not ours. But the fact remains, if the feds "allow" you to conceal carry, the feds can also disallow it as well. Centralized power with the feds is not the way to go. But hey.... go for it. The feds (DOJ) just created a class of felons. Kinda like Charlie Brown asking to Lucy to hold the football.

As far as draft dodging, there were millions of men who did the same thing. Many of whom will stand and trash an upper class person for going to school to get out of it, etc..... If that applies to anyone here I do not know nor was I implying that. Because, as long as America fights everyone's battles for the same freedoms our pioneers won for us, you are going to have a large percentage of men who aren't willing to go die for people so imprisoned mentally they don't even want us there.

We are still doing it today with the same sentiments. We will be doing it 100 years from now if the Good Lord don't come back before then. So, don't expect large numbers of American men to line up for the privilege to go die for people who don't appreciate it. It just doesn't make sense nor does it make someone a bad person. He had other options and he took it. For someone who is confused, it'd be hard to point out any president in history with more American pride then Trump has expressed and proven to possess.

I am a states rights guy and agree with bowbenders comments.

All you trumpettes attacking the messenger rather than the Forbes article content just shows what traitors you are to this Country and the Constitution.

Just plug your liberal Gun Grabbing ears and go lalala, grown ups are talking....

Same goes for states rights vs. federal. As far as any government "allowing" you to do anything is just a feel good antic...

And by the stroke of a pen and DOJ order (157 pages BTW), an accessory to an AR was outlawed, making those owning them a felon. That's on the federal level. All 50 states. Yea, potential jail sentence for failure to turn them in.

Trump violated it and I feel that those of you that support that violation are traitorus.

I am sorry Rhody that you feel I should be banned from this board for supporting and speaking for our God given rights and the Constitution.

This means you cannot be guilty for a law passed today that was legal yesterday. States have to go by this as well, they have NO choice. A gun legal yesterday, if owned, is not illegal for you to own today, but tomorrow you cannot buy one. You cannot be a felon because some dipshit legislature and gov'r decided they wanted to make it "illegal". Again, we do not answer to them...

I think it should be "seen" since you claim literacy. Who was alive Here for T Roosevelt's term to "see" his conservatism?

I speak/type redneckish as my PM fan likes to say but you brought it up....

In your view his other good deeds outweigh violation of the Constitution. Not so in mine, I have supported things he has done well and spoke out against his support of gun control.

Voluntary ban or "get off" is still a ban because of the fact you don't like my opinion. Same principle as misusing thread tools to silence disagreement.

"You see gAOCflight, I'm secure in my position in life, I support the effort to keep the 2A as original intent."

I am glad you disagree with Trump regarding 2A then. So, are you only upset because you consider yourself a Trumpette rather than a free thinker?

Because, If you support the Constitution and think for yourself we should have no beef at all...

At this point I want Trump reelected. I just want him to get the %^&$ off the gun control kick but that is beyond a Trumpettes perception. You just don't want anyone to criticize your King no matter what, that sir is when it becomes treasonous.....

When Trump undid Obama's guns from vets Exec order I had high hopes. Then the turd went and wrote one for redefining machine guns. He also let the whole Country know it was okay with him to violate due process, ban guns from 20 year olds and the friggin states are running with it.

0bama allowed Amtrak and National Park to stand as well as machine gun definition which makes him more pro gun than Trump.

Trump has infringed on the rights of over 500,000 gun owners just with bump stock property confiscation/destruction instant felons which dwarfs anything 0bama did in 8 years.

I have no respect for Gun grabbing draft dodgers. Glad he may have appointed good judges and I hope he gets one more big one.

Wasting money on feel good walls is just like gun control in pointlessness and raising taxes on imported goods for marginally better deals is assinine.

He has pulled some troops out of areas they can't win and changed ROE to be more realistic unlike 0bama of which I approve.

Lol I love it when ole Pig Doc quotes pre-tariff commodity prices as proof that tariffs are working.

“In two separate papers published over the weekend, some of the world’s leading trade economists declared Trump’s tariffs to be the most consequential trade experiment seen since the 1930 Smoot-Hawley tariffs blamed for worsening the Great Depression. They also found the initial cost of Trump’s duties to the U.S. economy was in the billions and being borne largely by American consumers.”

So you’re saying that your friends in the industry being propped up by tariffs (aka an additional tax on American consumers subsidizing their industry) are happy with Trump’s policies? Go figure...

You’ve also confirmed exactly what gflight has been saying this entire thread. Conservative principles be damned. You’re perfectly fine with big government, big government programs, and the consolidation and expansion of executive powers as long as its for policies that you believe in. Don’t worry, you’re not alone on this board!

I agree with a lot of what you are saying, and I am no fan of tariffs because consumers bear the brunt of them. Jeff obviously does not get that his steel worker friends are benefitting at the expense of others.

Here is where we disagree...the tariffs on China I have come to believe are just part of Trump putting pressure on the Chinese with a multi-prong strategic approach. Even our alliances are possibly changing as a result of this.

If this is true, I support Trump 100% on this and am willing to do my part by paying some higher prices. China seems to be the biggest threat to world order, and Trump deserves credit for confronting this like no other president has.

Reminds me of Reagan and his resolve against the Soviets.

Since it hasn’t quite sunk in for you, Jeff, I’ll say things a different way...you can say the exact same for wellfare, Jeff. Keeps lots of people well “payed.”

So I ask again, which group of people are you okay with the government propping up? That’s what tariffs do.

I said of course they’re working for the industries they are trying to prop up. So I’ll ask again, what industries or people are you okay with the government propping up at the expense of the American taxpayer. I assume by your statement of the tariffs “working” that it’s at least the steel industry. What other industries are you ok with? What other people’s are you ok with? Just trying to understand if we draw the line at welfare being ok for steelworkers or is it ok for other people as well?

On the other hand, if you think taxes and tariffs are bad for the economy and bad for the American consumer, I suggest you choose your words a little better. You can see how gflight is confused by the lack of holding our leaders accountable for policies which consolidate powers with the executive branch and for policies that grow the government at the expense of the American taxpayer when people like you claim they’re “working.”

....he has been good for the steel industry and the Port of Indiana“

Weird, wonder how I could have inferred that you support tariffs in steel. Goodnight, Jeff.

Cutting taxes and lifting regulations is what has helped the economy but we have had no cuts in spending to slow us from the cliff.

Many things Trump has done are Democrat and you guys have gone full contortionist defending him.

I am going to rub it in your face when your whining about it down the road.....8^)

If I want.

War on drugs creates a black market and crime.

Guys that got hurt defending the state should have support/medical treatment not necessarily a paycheck. SS is a Ponzi/forced insurance scheme for those who don't/won't save (see KPC I am not inflexible..8^)

The state should be limited, Freedom is letting other people do things you don't like.

Unless they part their hair in the middle and drink grape Nehi.

I do have more in common with DJT, I just don't support treating the Constitution like TP.

Yes.

We do see comments above. Trump’s tariffs are not only a new tax for Americans, but a policy of directly picking winners and losers in the economy.

I told you where I stand, Lets hear about you Hero....

I agree waging war with trade hurts American consumers. Also agree that Trump paints everything to show how great he is.

But, I would rather wage this war with China, as opposed to an actual war. I am too old to be drafted, so if I supported war when I cannot go, it does not seem right.

I give Trump a free pass on this as certainly they know more of what is going on than I do. But not a free pass on disrupting all trade.

A weakened China creates problems for them closer to home, which benefits the world IMHO.

I remember a lot of the Trumpettes railed on 0bama for his Narcissism, crickets...

Since I am truly better than everyone else I don't dog anyone who thinks they are....;^)

I just don't see that as an excuse to POG out on the Constitution.

You keep posting the pre-tariff commodity price, which is being driven by excess supply and slowing demand, as some proof that an extra tax on American consumers is ok. You might want to brush back up on your microeconomics, PD. Thousands of jobs have been added to the steel industry, but it's still a net loss to the economy. Three billion a month in extra taxes, $1.4 billion a month in deadweight loss, $165 billion/year in trade diversions, plus the unnecessary and completely avoidable economic costs associated with the disruptions to the supply chain from all of this.

It's a negotiating tactic dimwit

And I’ve said why I think it’s a dumb one. For being the master dealmaker he claims to be, I would expect him to be able to bring China to the table without taxing the American consumer. I also have a higher bar than basically “they’re talking” before I’d say anything’s working.

WASHINGTON — Two months after declaring all U.S. troops are leaving Syria, President Donald Trump wrote to members of Congress that he now agrees "100%" with keeping a military presence in Syria.

I posted that a few days ago to crickets. We run a good man through the mill that was right about the strategy over there. Production!

I’ve been a part and privy to plenty of negotiations that didn’t involve trying to be the last person standing in a war of attrition. I would love to hear why you think this game of “I can hurt my economy longer than you can hurt yours” is working since you’ve provided all of zero evidence to back that up? The latest word coming out of the negotiations is that the deal is looking like a paper tiger and nothing more - commitments to purchase foods that would be difficult to enforce, weak language around IP protections that won’t go very far, some tariffs remaining in place on both sides, etc.

We’ll find out if the juice is worth the squeeze.

"Calculations show that Trump’s tariffs raise the price of steel products by nearly 9 percent. Higher steel prices will raise the pre-tax earnings of steel firms by $2.4 billion in 2018. But they will also push up costs for steel users by $5.6 billion. Yes, these actions create 8,700 jobs in the US steel industry. Yet for each new job, steel firms will earn $270,000 of additional pre-tax profits. And steel users will pay an extra $650,000 for each job created."

Matt

Matt

In goods, the trade deficit was the highest ever, including the highest ever with China.

Could have fooled me. Youre the one that brings up the commodity price as some sort of vindication of Trump’s stupid trade war on everyone of these threads. If you don’t care about it, maybe stop doing that. Thi has been a very Pig Doc interaction: throw out some bullshit, get called on it, respond by calling names and throwing in a plug on how well off you are. Lather, rinse, repeat.

Can’t wait for the “huge” deal.

BUUUUUTTT home sales are slipping and affordability is at the forefront of that. Interest rate increases, raw material increases, labor increases. It’s death by a thousand cuts. But hey, you’ll have your brand new f350 at whatever cost. Never mind the fact that it’s effecting an enormous amount of the population. But since you purchase zero steel, I’ll assume you don’t know too much about that actual game. Que the, you’re stupid and don’t get it comments and please tell me how rich you are and how handsome you are. I’m sure somewhere in the woodpile you’re a UFC fighter and your 12’13” tall too.

Yes rebar is made from steel. So are necessary I-beams and nails and wire. So are trucks required for construction. It’s like your body, has a lot of moving parts.

Price increases effect a lot. And not that it matters, but I just received my letters again from the only available mills that deliver to SLC. Another increase on steel.

GDP in our fourth quarter cooled to 2.6%, with some at the Fed predicting 2019 to come in at .4% for the year.

Trade barriers going up I think has to be adding to other forces at play. We will see.

But Piggy will still have his new F350. That's what's important, after all.

Matt

Seems from many of the headlines out now he’s eager to sign a deal as he’s seen the positive blips have occurred in the markets when positive news around trade talks come out. He’s of the opinion that this will supercharge the markets and he can ride that to re-election. Personally, I have no doubt that some sort of “deal” will be signed and that the market will respond positively when it does. My guess is that bump in the market will be short lived as a lot of this has been priced in and the deal itself will stop short if meaningful structural changes and be lacking on enforcement measures - rolling back some tariffs, some likely to remain, purchase commitments lacking in timeframes or enforcement details, etc. It won’t meet my definition of “huge,” but seeing how PD believes tariffs are “working” because China is at the table, I’m sure it’ll meet his.

And for the record, I hope Chad is able to say "I told you so". Until then, I will remain skeptical about the tariffs.

Matt

Batch plants, lots of steel. Cement trucks, lots of steel. Concrete pumps, lots of steel.

Houses, lots of steel.

And again, since you don’t want to read the whole post, it’s a giant combination of a lot of increases that simply aren’t good.

And yes steel increases are a major contributor to overall Price increases.

I know you’re not so simple to believe I’m saying that nail costs and wire costs alone are causing this.

If you believe home sales aren’t slipping due to pricing, then you aren’t paying attention. It’s a simple fact. What’s driving the increase?

Interest rates, price of land (this is probably the biggest)

Raw material increases. Concrete, steel, labor. It’s all out pacing wages. There is no doubt a looming slowdown in the economy. How bad? I don’t know. Nobody does. But it is price driven. That’s a fact.

It’s up to you to be genuine enough to deal with the whys and what we can do about it.

Lol. You’ve been told multiple times that the cost of steel goods doesn’t end with the commodity price but yet you continue to babble on with this ridiculously flawed line of logic....and we’re the dimwits.

Tariffs ALWAYS deliver economic loss. Quit with the bullshit that they’re creating jobs. They always deliver deadweight loss. If you need to borrow my micro 101 book again to refresh yourself with basic economic principles, I’m happy to send it to you.

I’ve said all along I don’t care if it’s about negotiations, they’re dumb. They’ve already cost the economy $100s of billions of dollars, and unlike you, I don’t trust the guy that brags about the stock market hitting the same milestone a year apart to deliver a deal of real economic value to this country.