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It’s a civil matter HH. Either CNN has to pay out money or there is no recourse.

Now CNN, HBO, Bill Maher, WAPO, et. al., are another $tory. I hope he makes 'em bleed green.

And at least the school issued an apology. The others did no such thing.

""McMurtry said the following organizations and people are those who can expect to receive the letters, which were all sent by the close of business on Friday.

The Washington Post

The New York Times

Cable News Network, Inc. (CNN)

The Guardian

National Public Radio

TMZ

Atlantic Media Inc.

Capitol Hill Publishing Corp.

Diocese of Covington

Diocese of Lexington

Archdiocese of Louisville

Diocese of Baltimore

Ana Cabrera

Sara Sidner

Erin Burnett

S.E. Cupp

Elliot C. McLaughlin

Amanda Watts

Emanuella Grinberg

Michelle Boorstein

Cleve R. Wootson Jr.

Antonio Olivo

Joe Heim

Michael E. Miller

Eli Rosenberg

Isaac Stanley-Becker

Kristine Phillips

Sarah Mervosh

Emily S. Rueb

Maggie Haberman

David Brooks

Shannon Doyne

Kurt Eichenwald

Andrea Mitchell

Savannah Guthrie

Joy Reid

Chuck Todd

Noah Berlatsky

Elisha Fieldstadt

Eun Kyung Kim

HBO

Bill Maher

Warner Media

Conde Nast

GQ

Heavy.com

The Hill

The Atlantic

Bustle.com

Ilhan Omar

Elizabeth Warren

Kathy Griffin

Alyssa Milano

Jim Carrey

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I think this is a frivolous lawsuit...... The type of lawsuit that breeds the ambulance chasing attorneys that are on billboards across America. If this was a left winger filing the same type of lawsuit you all would be calling him a butt hurt crybaby. This is 15 minutes of fame for his Pro bono Attorney...... And the kid will end up getting rich over the incident regardless of the outcome of the lawsuit...... Right wingers will be lining up to hand this kid everything he ever wants in life..... and for what ?? What exactly did he do to deserve to have everything handed to him in life ??

They are the ones at fault, so they need to be held accountable for it. Hitting them in the wallet is the only penalty they will understand. Obviously being JOURNALISTS is beyond their abilities.

And here we are applauding a $275 million lawsuit in favor of this kid for how he was wronged.

I Don’t need you or your 41 minute video to explain to me how court works Jeff.

Do you guys ever spend any time in court Jeff at that top secret job of yours ?? Or does your knowledge of court come from watching Judge Judy ??

You must own a lot of bridge stock!

I hope that those who get targeted are punished severely because this sort of irresponsible reporting and targeting has to cease. Just read an article where the official DNC twitter account states: "Ultimate Example of TDS – Democrats: “Trump refuses to acknowledge the seriousness of the opioid epidemic”…" And Trump has often related this to the need for the wall and cited this problem of drug importation has to be addressed.

Hell,,, Fred Goldman sued OJ for 33 million dollars..(which he hasn’t collected by the way)...... and his son was butchered with a knife. This kid is suing for $275 million ???? COME ON...!!!

Thanks for your common sense.

People in responsibility could have prevented this. Yes, the kid was drug through the mud, and viciously so. Media need to get the message that this will not be tolerated. But, this has gotten insane and if the sides were flipped, conservatives would be screaming about our litigous society.

I would love to see a president with the ability to meet with both sides together, and the result would be a public apology and commitment from the press to take certain corrective actions to prevent further occurrences. That will never happen, unfortunately.

I still contend that if I ever had that face while my father was attempting to discipline me, I would have been knocked into tomorrow. He has every Constitutional right, but that doesn't make it Christian.

Flame away, I can care less. I know smugness when I see it.

I bet you do. You can also read minds, etc.

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How smugly spoken of you.

Now this kid gets his feelings hurt,,, And is suing for 250 times your entire life earnings. This is WTF is wrong with America. You all sound like a bunch of butt hurt liberals.

Don’t cry to me how anyone ruined this kids life. This event has insured that this kid will be handed everything in life..... Regardless if he wins a lawsuit or not. He will be rich.... and I doubt that it will be from a lawsuit......

Honestly,, By supporting this lawsuit,,, I think you are TRYING to act like a liberal. You know in your heart this is how the liberals would react,,, So this is a chance for you to stick it right back in their face..... by acting like liberals.

This is not how to Make America Great Again.

If a liberal wore that expression while in a discussion with a spiritual leader, I doubt you would see things the same way. You see smugness in me, I see disingenuous in you.

Conservatives frequently talk of the deterioration in behaviors and personal responsibility over time, yet in this case give everyone a pass.

Chris,

Your last post is spot on and you nailed the hypocrisy that is evident.

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I do not know how you can make that statement. I have made no opinion on this thread about the young man and his law suit.

But, Pot meet Kettle, either you have not had your coffee or you have no reading comprehension this morning for what ever reason. It is ironic you smugly continue to deflect and distract and invent words and feeling of others.

Are you mind reading or using the force this morning?

Why do you guys think it is OK to judge what someone else wrote, but not OK for them to judge what they see? It is not, that is the point.

We all judge, it is human to do so.

Tony, would your father have tolerated that same expression from you while being disciplined? Every male friend I have asked to their face, responds absolutely not. And 90% support Trump and this lawsuit.

To Chris's point, some of the same guys bemoaning this type of behavior in liberals are now looking the other way.

This is getting absurd.

Talk about liberal behavior infecting conservatism? Trump bears no responsibility for some of what he receives? None?

Come on, answer that, I double dog dare you.

It's about degrees. This kid had so much negative coverage by so many Hi profile news outlets and others afforded high visibility platforms to voice their opinions. Opinions offered as fact. Taken in the context they were recited, became reality for many. This was particularly damning for this kid publicly. This kills future College and job opportunities and any other opportunities this kid may have in his future before he even gets started. Telling them to f*ck off isn't going to remedy that. What he is doing is the sure way to get the message across to others, in the past, present and future, that this kind of reporting, and trying to hide behind the 1st amendment won't be tolerated. A big portion of the lawsuit is punitive. Obviously one of the intents behind punitive is to let others know, not to continue in this manner. If the lawsuits are successful, it's doubtful it will happen to the degree it did this time, in the future

Your view is well reasoned, and possibly 100% accurate.

Regarding his future employability, would he have not been better off publicly accepting his role in this... That it was a youthful indiscretion, and with maturity he can see how maybe his appearance, though legally protected, served to inflame a situation that probably was one best to be avoided?

Asking honestly since people are talking about his future. Would most employers in today's world look positively or negatively on his behavior? Not what was reported, but on his actual behavior? Exclude FOX News;-)

I admit I may be jaded, but this is mostly about a pay day to me. In our news cycle, this would be forgotten quickly if not for the culture war both sides are pushing. And yes, I see our side abandoning principle.

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Wrong. Your typed statement was clearly smug.

"but cannot tolerate the same criticism back?"

Wrong again. You called me disingenuous. That is clearly baseless of anything I have said on this thread.

"Tony, would your father have tolerated that same expression from you while being disciplined? "

Clearly a straw man argument, the Indian was not the Kids Father. Nice try though, and you may indeed be on the cusp of being disingenuous yourself.

Wrong, I was not being smug, I am known for being direct. But you only know me from posts, so yes, you assumed. Nice try though.

Yes, people are making assumptions, that's what people do. That is the reality, not what we would like it to be. And probably, given common sense, the assumption that he was not totally respectful is at least some what a reality. Given his mellow conduct on TV the next day, I think he even recognized that.

Yes, a Google search will show this sad event in his life. Get in front of it. At an interview he preempts it with bringing it up first and that it will show up. Tell how he handled it and accepts responsibility. He learned, grew from the experience and moved forward. Otherwise they see a kid that may be a legal problem for them if he is treated in a manner he feels damages him. That is the reality.

Tony, no straw man argument about your father. The lesson my dad taught me was not just to respect him, but to respect others and especially my elders. If I behaved that way with any adult neighbor, I would have paid a price. This is exactly what I mean about our side surrendering our principles. We are finding ways to defend poor behavior as long as it is from our side.

Your position is reasonable.

But CNN is being stopped without a lawsuit. Who watches any more? Because of their terrible reporting, their viewership is declining.

Matt

Hahahahahahahahahahahahhahahhahaahhaaaaahhahahahhaahahaha........

Oh my God that is freaking hilarious coming from the fake news KING of the Bowsite Community Forum !!!!!!!!!!!!

There may be some willing to hire because of the incident, but my feeling is that would be the exception and not the rule. That doesn't sound like a good plan for the future to me.

HFW: His actions don't reflect someone who needs to do any apologizing. His actions in no way warranted the response he received by the media.

Chris, I doubt anyone believes he will get every penny of that.

So for getting shot and paralyzed... you get $100,000. But for getting called out on TV,,, You sue for $250 million. Like I said.... That is not making America Great Again.

Not only do I not believe he will get all of that money....I agree with GG and believe it will be dismissed with nothing being paid.

And that is where we will disagree forever. In a better society, IMHO, his response to an elder after this blew up could have gone something like this;

"I was not trying to be disrespectful to my elder. In review of the video, I can see how some may have interpreted my facial expression to be one of mocking or dis-respect. That was not my intent. While I fully believe the rights to free speech and protest are sacred, as a Christian I always strive to behave in a manner that I and my family as well as my mentors and peers will always be proud of. In this case I failed to live up to the high standards I expect of myself, again though, not doing so intentionally.

My apology is sincere to anyone who may have been offended by my behavior that was not intended to be offensive. I will continue to support pro-life positions, and our President, doing so in a manner that adheres to the spirit of Christian doctrine, even when it is difficult to do so.

I also forgive those who willingly portrayed me in a false light, and encourage the leaders of the entities that did so, as well as other individuals, to look inward and search if their behavior reflects the ideals and aspirations of this great country. Hopefully our nation's healing can begin with this unfortunate event, you have my promise to do better.

God Bless America, and thank you.

What about the kid that was doing the Tomahawk chop at the old man ?? Did his actions reflect someone who needs to apologize ???

I have not heard about the kid doing the chop. Was disciplinary action taken against him? Yes, I do believe he owes an apology. An "I am sorry" even when not necessary goes a long way in building better relations IMO.

Maybe Covington should sue me for assuming that kid doing the tomahawk chop was one of their kids.....

Maybe the City of Dearborn should sue Spike Bull for all the fake news he has posted on line about the city.... I mean.... no one really knows how much he cost that city by giving it bad publicity and scaring away potential residents and businesses...... I think $250 million should cover the damages.....

I am going to pull what you do.

From your posts I bet as a CFP, you work in a small office or at home. You have difficulty getting along with people. You were a dweeb in school who got picked on so the CF is your place to get even. I can go on if you want?

Thanks for your question.

I understand people here cannot agree on this, yet both views are reasonable to me.

Just my perspective, but again his facial expression left room for interpretation, and some will agree with that, others will not. And honestly, that's OK.

The kid probably should have walked away, I was raised to not challenge an elder unless it was a safety issue.

Let's say you still disagree, my counsel to the young man if asked would be the above. It really would minimize future employment challenges that might arise from a Google search, and keeping our eyes on the long game for conservatism, this should win people over. We keep the high ground.

I would love to see other responses, not just 'apologise or we sue'. What say you?

I had a mother send me a message on FB, she is not a friend of mine, she looked me up because her son is one of my students. Her message was a total surprise, when it showed up on messenger I almost deleted it as I did not recognize the name. I have removed the names in her correspondence leaving only initials. The friend she refers to that I have is one of our counselors on campus. I do not like to share these and I am not bragging, but I receive them quite often. Maybe a little bit of facts instead of you pontificating on who you think I am is in order. Notice what she says about respect and kindness. Notice she thinks I am a Republican, which I clarified in my response to her.

"Frank... First let me say that I know that it is not normal that a student's parent would email you, however since you are close friends with D E, I thought that it's acceptable to reach out to you. In addition, for the last five years, after my life of undergrad, grad school, and being a mom for 21 years, I returned to JCCC to take sculpture classes with M C so I get to consider myself a Cavalier too! My son is R D. He is my oldest of four boys. He returned home after living on St. John for 1.5 years during his gap year. Even though I am a firm believer that it is almost impossible to go back home after living alone, R has been quite the trooper with accepting that Hurricane Irma destroyed his happy little island life and returning home, especially with his three younger brothers. With him living at home, we frequently talk about his day & his classes. I LOVE to hear about his experiences and his engagement with his peers/instructors as it provides another window into his world. I wanted to share that I have heard a great deal about you, your conversations, the opportunity that you encouraged on R's behalf and most importantly, the amount of respect that Reagan has for you! While talking to R today, he said, "Mom, Mr. Syracuse is a great man who loves his wife as he mentions her multiple times a day, is a Godly man, a Marine and is 'our' people". (Our people=Republican. ?? My point, I know that with college students you don't always hear about the the ways that you affect them, so I wanted to share that I am sincerely thankful for the example you are providing my son. R is an introverted and serious child, I mean young man. He is an old soul, but I believe that this trait allows him to truly appreciate the important things in life like being respectful, hard-working & kind, like you! Thank you for teaching R more than just Human Relations in the business world. I feel confident in saying that YOU will be one of those instructors that will leave a life long impression on R's mind & heart! You are a true blessing! Be Happy... Be Blessed... BE!!!

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I am humbled by these types of messages, but know God put me here and I try not to waste a minute of it. I get tired of bullying behavior, and that is what I see here on the CF. How many times have folks like Matt been attacked, and wrongly accused of name calling, while we never hear a peep from these same people when slade, or Trax call folks every name under the sun? That's the hypocrisy, and you guys just don't get it.

I have a lot of faults, one is not allowing for the opinions of others to be expressed or respected. I can make a list of my faults if you want to attack me on those, otherwise know what you are talking about before going off on someone. One of my faults is if you unfairly criticize one of my students, you will feel my wrath.

Thanks, respectful exchange.

The guy was the aggressor, but it still doesn't make it right IMO.

Hedge, I could care less what your research shows. Your lack of respect for just about everyone, and your overblown hype of what a hero you think you are has said enough. Get some help.

The guy was the aggressor, but it still doesn't make it right IMO.

Hedge, I could care less what your research shows. Your lack of respect for just about everyone, and your overblown hype of what a hero you think you are has said enough. Get some help.

Does that help you understand? ;-)

Now we are mocking people's age, real class every time you post.

FYI, never, ever tried it, never an illegal drug, and seldom drink. Your assessment of people is about as high as your IQ, negative. ;-)

Why do you despise American citizens so much?

No, I do not think they will be sending their kids to any future rallies. Why I believe this is because I think they now see the risk is too great, and the bad publicity does not help.

Funny,,, That Hedgehog guy is not so disrespectful over on the Leatherwall

The same reason they do not respond to what I suggested should have been the young man's response the next day.

A little bit of diplomacy and we keep the high ground with our eye on the long game. But, our nation is now at the point where personal attacks and character assassinations are the norm.

You think this first began with the Clintons and their War Room over any bad press about them? They seemed to have started this scorched Earth policy, and avoided impeachment/convictions with it so others see the merit in this approach?

Bingo again Frank. Jeff,, Now that I have your attention again..... do you think Covington will be sending their kids on field trips to political rallies again anytime soon ??? Why or why not ??? Be honest.

We are talking about a 16 year old kid right? Had the indian not approached the group of kids and got in the kids face beating the drum, 1. No one would have been offeded by the kid smiling at him. Two we would not be having this discussion now 3. too many people are reading too much into a young boy standing in one place smiling.Remember, he didn't go seeking out the indian, the indian sought him out. Does anyone seriously believe that standing there smiling is just cause for the vicious attacks by "adults" that he received? I'm not a big fan of lawsuits in general, I think there is far too many frivolous suits but in this case, I think it' about time that a message is sent..

Do you think the school will be sending students to political rallies again any time soon bb ??

Amazing! He defenitely could use a new attorney. I say that on the basis of this one line as I have not read up on any of this.

This blaming the victim by people on this site really disappoints me.

That’s the entire point to me. None of this was criminal on anyone’s part. But none of it had to happen......

If there was better adult supervision Jeff,,,, Would this incident have gone down exactly as it did ??? Or would the adult chaperones have shuttled the kids away from the black Israelites and the old man.... and loaded the kids on the bus ?? Do you think the adult Christian chaperones would have joined in with the kids on the stand off.... and maybe got some more tomahawk chops going ??

Longbeard ....... Of course not.... Anyone and everyone knows that the MAGA hat is going to be met with resistance in public. That is wrong but it is a fact. So if you’re on a field trip in Washington D.C. with a group of your school kids wearing MAGA hats...... would you let them wander off where they are unattended by chaperones wearing those hats ??

1. Sandman is a minor and was not, until CNN et. al. made him such, a public figure.

2. The entire video was available for viewing, and yet not one of the accusers even bothered to view it in entirety. Instead, a short video clip was used to create a news story with negative connotations WRT Sandman and Trump.

3. Because of their malfeasance, Sandman was not only threatened, but had people promoting violence upon him.

4. The lawyer publicly identified major participants of this lynching and gave them the opportunity to retract and apologize for their actions...and they did not.

This sort of reporting needs to cease in a civil society as it is happening far too often these days. Shoddy, sloppy opinion based journalism is NOT the reporting of news.

If Sandman and his legal team have their day in court with the likes of CNN, they will be exposed for what they are. And if they are penalized (especially those of the Hollywood personality types) financially, perhaps we can see a return to real journalism.

CNN is a great target because they were in the forefront of the attacks on Sandman. Financially, if CNN were not supported by cable/satellite carriage fees, it would not be able to exist financially. It is supported by the fees paid by cable and satellite subscribers who pay for CNN (and other channels that have few viewers) even though they never watch it. For every actual viewer of CNN, there are 90 people who do not, yet pay for it. (link) Wonder why that cable/satellite providers do not offer ala carte choices for channels are encouraging many to switch to streaming? If they did, CNN would cease to exist.

Bottom line: It is time for the media to be held accountable for the content of their reporting and at this point in time, Sandman's suits against those named and those who will be may be the wake up call. These suits are not primarily about money, but bringing those involved responsible for their actions.

Can you provide specific examples of the most egregious things that were reported about the kid,, ?? The SPECIFIC statements that warrant a $250 million dollar lawsuit.

If this suit is not primarily about money.... What exactly do you think a civil court is going to do ??

Do you think this case is going to be ruled on by the Supreme Court of the United States; Like Hedgehog does ??

Again, emotional protests at Kent State, and people died. We don't learn our lessons. Ask those parents.

Please, all you tough guys that want to protest, go for it.

It's like the the old saying......"I don't want to an a-hole about this, but if you want me to be, I'll be the biggest a-hole you've ever had to deal with!"

"It's not what he (Sandmann) did. It's what far, far more powerful, richer, influential people/entities did TO him.....a child.....and then when they were called on it and they had a fair chance (which is more than they ever gave him) to admit their lies they refused. They are the ones at fault, so they need to be held accountable for it. Hitting them in the wallet is the only penalty they will understand. Obviously being JOURNALISTS is beyond their abilities."

My apology is sincere to anyone who may have been offended by my behavior that was not intended to be offensive. I will continue to support pro-life positions, and our President, doing so in a manner that adheres to the spirit of Christian doctrine, even when it is difficult to do so.

I also forgive those who willingly portrayed me in a false light, and encourage the leaders of the entities that did so, as well as other individuals, to look inward and search if their behavior reflects the ideals and aspirations of this great country. Hopefully our nation's healing can begin with this unfortunate event, you have my promise to do better.

God Bless America, and thank you."

Brian,

A better word smith could improve the above dramatically. But, I worded it in a way that Sanders is not admitting fault, just apologizing if others were offended.

To Tony, from the other thread...notice these words would assign fault covertly, through forgiveness, to the media and others (Native American) without using names.

This would be face saving IMO, for all involved. I would have loved to see us have a president who would have met with the kid, and made a similar (but better) announcement together. I think that would have been a win-win and conservatives would still have the high ground.

Outside of the CF, the most common assessment of this situation I hear is the kid is the least to blame. The press and others are terrible actors in all of this but the face and hat was not a good move. Yep, not going to be accepted here but how does the nation see it?

I agree, in a better world you would be spot on. You have to play for the people though. He's 16, in a world driven by social media. It is different today. The first two sentences offer no apology. People need to hear "I apologize." It ain't right. but I want to win.