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Just wondering what every one thinks of the breaking college entry/bribery scandal? I think that the folks who are involved have no idea of the damage they have inflicted on their kids. Sure the kids are spoiled (probably) and used to things going their way because of mom or dad's money. But now the cat's out of the bag, and with social media they kids are in for the grilling of their lives. I also wonder the political inclination of those involved.
I don't really care what their politics are. ANY parent who would permit/ENCOURAGE such despicable dishonesty for their children are scum and UNFIT to be parents.
Yeah...screw em'! Make examples out if them for people to think about.
Their politics doesn't matter, but some of the more famous have been very vocally calling trump immoral.
I was watching some GMA this morning and they were talking about this, I didn't like the spin that I could see them trying to put on it. They were tossing words out there like privileged, unfair, elites, underprivileged, equality, etc. I couldn't help but to hear the tones of, if we had free college, this wouldn't happen, it had the feel that it is something that will be used for the socialist push in the future...maybe near future.
You do the crime you do the time. I’m glad they have to publicly face the music. They should get jail time over this.
Parents go to jail. Kids get removed from school. Kids hate parents for ruining their lives.
Rescind their degrees, jail the parents and others....
Sucks for the kids who’s spot got taken. I hope they got to jail.
They're left wing elites. Of course they perpetrate and support corruption, bribery and circumventing merit based systems. Laws, rules and morals don't apply to them, they are superior to such trivialities.
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Ya'll gotta' read The Faux Squaw's take on this, followed by the lambasting she's taking on social media.
From COTR: https://www.chicksonright.com/blog/2019/03/13/sen-warren-asked-if-she-has-sympathy-for-people-who-cheat-to-get-into-college/
What puzzles me, is that all the parents had to do was make contributions to the school they want their kids to attend and they could have avoided all this. It may have cost more but it'd be legit.
Agree WW. They tried to cheapskate the whole process....and now they are in pretty big trouble. There's a big different between a couple hundred grand and the couple of million it would have taken to get the kid in the old fashioned way. next thing they should do is get the people who donate money to get in....it's wrong too. Every kid who gets in that way takes the place of someone who deserves to get there.
Understand Lori Loughlin will have a new show this fall called "Big House".
It's not the kid's fault and I feel bad for them. Their parents really set them up - those kids will get eaten alive by their peers.
Drives me nuts though, as I'm an upper-middle-class parent who's busting his ass to do it the right way, sending my kids to private high school and staying on top of them so that they get the grades needed to get into a good college, all-the-while paying off my own student loans after almost entirely putting myself through college.
And then there was that time in 1998, when Jared Kushner was starting to look at colleges, that his father, Charles Kushner, gave $2.5 million to Harvard (which Jared later attended of course. What a coincidence.
Could not get into Harvard so his dad bought his way in could not get secret clearance so his father in law gave it to him. what a charmed life
Hey, A-hole,
Donating a potfull of money to a school so your kid could get accepted is unacceptable, yet, however disgusting it may be, is NOT in anyway the same thing as bribing people to let your kids cheat on their SATs and ACT's, nor paying people to change their answers on those tests so they could get better scores.
There have been a lot of disgusting phonies in the world over the years, PZ, but NONE are as disgusting and as phony as YOU!
In the end nothing will happen to them, they will buy their way out again.
Giving a large amount of money to a University is an actual institution throughout the world. It's also tradition to give preference to children of alumni. It's not as admirable as getting in of your own accord, but it not only benefits all students of the University due to more facilities.
This is nothing like bribing officials to cheat to get your dumb kids into the U.
I went to Stanford and every building across the U had someone's name on it from the gyms to the research buildings to the cafeterias to the athletic centers to the student lounges to the auditoriums, etc etc etc. I fully expect that whoever's name was on that building contributed something to the U whether it be money or time served and that helped their descendants get into the U. While using those facilities myself, I was totally ok with that.
Now, someone's parents cheating on their kid's SATs so they could get in? Hell no.
play stupid games, win stupid prizes
if laws were broken, prosecute
the whole thing smells funny, fivers is on the same scent trail
warren is squirrel-turd nutty
zeidan is chunks in kushners poo
Parents were trying to level the playing field, counter punch for affirmative action policies.
Well.....this might open up some other Pandora's boxes. Are there payoffs/payola for kids to get into the military service academies? They usually have to get a recommendation from some VIP, politician or person of stature.
Just what JL pointed out...This is only the tip of the iceberg! That’s ‘if’ they were go down that road...Which they won’t, as so many names would come out it’d be unreal!
A difference with the academies is that the student actually has to perform after they get in.
I doubt there are a lot more shoes to fall in this because the number of universities with highly restrictive admissions is fairly limited.
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And the dam breaks...Let the lawsuit games begin!
This unfortunately will only last a news cycle or two. Think back...
Virginia Gov, Lt Gov and Att Gen
Next
The black guy's fake hate crime (old whats his name)
Next
Bob Kraft's happy ending
We live in a never ending cycle of scandal, sign of the times I guess.
Reminds me of Affirmative Action, the unqualified person gets the position because of race, gender or disability.
As far as gaining the education system, this to have been going on since the Viet Nam War. If you fortunate to be born of privilege you got the pass from the draft and entrance in the top tier college. CCR- The Senator's Son about sum it up.
It's lame as hell that some folks choose to do this. The bad part is that the formality is getting this pushed into the media. It's gone on for ever. Do the kids of a president get into any college they want? Unless there is a glaring reason they cant, I bet they do. Ditto a major CEO etc. There is a lot of wheel greasing that goes on out there...
Stilton's Place has its take...
We're enjoying watching the big college admissions scandal story unfold, as it's got a little something for everybody. Hate rich people? Hate people who game the system? Hate people who live in a privileged bubble that you'll never enjoy? Hate Hollywood celebrities? This fraud's for you!
And while we chuckled over the hypocrisy of Senator Elizabeth "Princess Cheekbones" Warren saying that she has zero sympathy for people who fudge collegiate documents to get ahead (ironically while she was giving a clandestine "White Power" gang sign)...
...we couldn't help but be reminded of the long-running and highly plausible rumor that Barack Obama (or Barry Soetoro as he called himself at the time) got major funding help from Occidental College by claiming to be a foreign student. Of course, we can't confirm this blatant fraud - nor can Lefties disprove it - because Obama had the documentation sealed from public view...much like every other piece of information about his past. Because "transparency" apparently works best when armed guards protect your secrets.
But the college admission scandal isn't really about politics - it's about privilege, and those who abuse it. Actress Lori Loughlin apparently paid $500,000 to get her daughters into a good school, an amount for which you could probably buy entrance for a dead hamster or a small bowl of succotash. One daughter was already earning $300,000 a year on Youtube and questioned why she even needed college (not a bad point), though allowed that she'd grudgingly attend to enjoy "game day and partying."
We frankly doubt that this distracting, shiny object of a scandal (seen any major stories about FBI mattress Lisa Page testifying that Obama's DOJ ordered the FBI not to pursue charges against Hillary?) will make any real impact on fixing America's badly broken college system. But we do hope to see the guilty appropriately shamed and punished, if only to enjoy a brief moment of nostalgia for the way justice is supposed to work.
And who knows, maybe in this case it will...
" Elizabeth "Princess Cheekbones" Warren "
LMAO!!!!
Shoot kids have got into colleges and universities for ever because daddy paid for a new addition or gave a large endowment. Being shocked at this would be like being shocked that college atheletes get academic preferential treatment, freebies and favors. Oh you need to have a place for your folks to live near the college and a job? No problem.
I confess, we also paid money to help get our daughter into college. She already had a 3.8 GPA from a private high school, and we spent $1600 to have her get tutored for her ACT's so she could score higher and hopefully get an academic ride. She did score higher and she went to Iowa State with a 75% academic scholarship. Combined with the tuition from her high school it was the best money we ever spent and we "got it back" not just monetarily but with the quality of education she received and the job she eventually got a few months out of school.
I'm ok with children of POTUSs getting into good schools. It adds to the prestige of the University to have certain people attending their schools and that goes for athletes as well. No University admissions staff worth their salt would turn down a President's kid if they knew what was good for the school, so long as the kid had good grades. Just like they wouldn't turn down the child of Bill Gates who could very well become a major benefactor, which also eventually benefits the student body.
I went to Stanford (not for undergrad, waaaay too expensive for me) and I had a tinge of pride/happiness when Chelsea Clinton chose Stanford, even if it was just to stick it to Harvard, Duke, and Yale and Stanford is the most conservative school of the bunch.
Just like athletes who don't have as good of grades as the kids who get in based exclusively on academics, some admission slots in every University are reserved for some students who help the University in one way or the other, be it notoriety through sports, money for facilities so students don't have to pay even higher tuition for facilities, or in case of many University's opinions, for the sake of diversity alone.
There's nothing wrong with a private institution looking out for it's own advancement, whatever that may be. A case could be made against this for public universities (although most public universities nowadays are getting a smaller and smaller % of their total monies from the state govt), but they have to compete and survive as well.
Universities attract the best candidates based on a lot of factors and the best overall student body + the best overall faculty + the best overall facilities = what defines the best University.
Woods - absolutely. If you're a good parent, you do everything in your power to set your children up to have the happiest and most successful lives that they can (up to and excluding breaking the law). Many people don't lift a finger and only the most ambitious and/or gifted of their children lift themselves out of their parent's socioeconomic strata. I'm ok with that; that's how the world works.
We only had one so we were able to do the utmost for her. That's one of the reason's why we only had one. We're kind of old fashioned that way in that we go by, "If you can't feed 'em, then don't breed 'em."
A few years ago, an American I know who was living in China had a friend who owned a university there. Any American who would come to the school could attend completely free (except for personal expenses) for one year. Tuition, books, room and board were all paid for by the school.
Why?
For the prestige of having American students attending the university.
Great posts, Idly. "There's nothing wrong with a private institution looking out for it's own advancement, whatever that may be. A case could be made against this for public universities"
I agree with this. However even the private schools milk the government as much as they can, so have an obligation that they would not if they were truly independent. If you want real independence look at Hillsdale.
BTW, when my kids were approaching their teens I looked them in the eye and told them "You are going to college and you are paying for it. Start figuring out how you are going to do it."
They have both thanked us multiple times for that. One had lots of jobs and some scholarships. One had lots of scholarships and some jobs. They both came out with minimal debt and a great work ethic.