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Slackening demand puts downward pressure on prices, as does increased foreign supply.

Any way, more than any one variable at any given time effecting price changes.

Weakening demand globally seems to be a growing concern also as public transportation, telecommuting, i.e. substitute goods are also playing a role. And cars last longer today.

That's funny. I was going to post on that thread how I regularly pull 7500lbs with my 'heavy' half ton Tundra, but figured I would get slammed for pushing a brand. Thing is, I have owned at least one each of the domestics, and my Tundra pulls better, even better than my F250 did. But, I get beat up enough on the CF so I held back.

Fast forward to 2016. Bought a new Bighorn Edition Dodge 2500, diesel. Paid $54,000 I believe, but that included about $2,000 worth of oversize tires and wheels. Or something close to that. A few bells and whistles. Cloth seats, but Navigation, etc.

But they put so many new things on them now. Back up cams. Cargo cams. Bluetooth. Nav. Power seats. Heated seats. Heated steering wheel, etc.

Is it any wonder they cost more?

As for the pulling thread on the main forum. . . . I admit to an extreme bias. I drive my diesel as an everyday driver and put 30-40,000 miles on it a year. I can't stand driving a little car. Not a big fan of little SUVs. I LOVE my big truck. Love the power and the torque. I don't mind that it rides like a big truck. It IS a big truck.

In between diesels, I had a half ton GMC for a while. I hated that truck. No guts. True, it rode nicer. Hell, you didn't know it was turned on, it was so quiet and vibration free. I was pulling a little 7x12 foot utility trailer with a Polaris Ranger on it a lot. That's like 1500 lbs. (light, but like a big sail on the back, caught the wind). Truck would barely pull it. I was never so happy to get rid of a truck

When I got this new truck, and I bought my daughter a Razr, I needed a new trailer. So now I pull my Ranger on a 16 foot custom tandem-axle car hauler trailer. I pull it maybe 50-60 days a year. Don't even know it's there on the 3/4 ton

The Tundra even feels like it is more comfortable with that load, but it could just be me. I can say the Ford got stuck a couple of times pulling my tractor up my muddy farm road. I would have to unload the tractor and pull my truck and trailer with it. Have never done that with the Tundra, the 4WD locks really good. Again, I am not a fan. Besides the poor gas mileage, I believe they are the ugliest of the light trucks out there.

But, the guy driving is fairly ugly as well!

With that said I think I am leaning to a diesel.

I pointed that out. But the thread on BGF was about towing. That was my point.

Michael, if Toyota ever builds a diesel, game over.

I thought of getting one and going back to two vehicles, but how difficult are they to start in cold weather? Do you have to plug in a block heater? They would not be available where I park at school. Thanks.

Can’t help u there as I live in FL. All I care about is AC seats

We keep our vehicles in an unattached garage. The normal winter morning routine is to remote start them both about 10 minutes before we leave (garage doors up of course)

I thought they did. Isuzu (Toyota had a joint partnership). Isuzu makes Duramax.

Thanks. I am actually thinking about the Diesel Colorado. It will pull 7500lbs I believe, and my trailer and tractor without an implement would be under that. Fuel economy is better than a full size I believe?

Thanks.

Since then I've had 2 new Tundras. A 2008, which I put 145K trouble-free miles on. I traded that in for the 2015 that I have now. My 2015 is the "1794 Edition", which is Toyota's answer to Ford's "King Ranch" model. It has all the bells and whistles, and a nicer interior than most luxury cars. I will buy another when I get tired of this one.

Matt

I didn't know that. Diesel is not an option on the Tundra, at least not the last time I checked. Thanks for the heads-up.

My mid-life crisis ride is my '81 CJ7 that I restored a few years ago. It was my Father's since new. It's like a time machine...I get a flashback to more simple and carefree times every time I fire her up.

Matt

You just have to go to Europe or Australia to get one...

SA, No Kidding. For his magic Tundra to only turn 2000 rpm at 70mph means it had hwy gears and it is very doubtful it could out tow a rig turning 2500rpm.

Show me something that isn't going up in price. Everything from mortgages to moose hunts is going up; that's just life.

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