Moultrie Mobile
Major shooting in NZ
Community
Contributors to this thread:
yooper89 14-Mar-19
'Ike' (Phone) 14-Mar-19
'Ike' (Phone) 14-Mar-19
BIG BEAR 15-Mar-19
Woods Walker 15-Mar-19
Brotsky 15-Mar-19
Woods Walker 15-Mar-19
BowSniper 15-Mar-19
sleepyhunter 15-Mar-19
bigeasygator 15-Mar-19
Woods Walker 15-Mar-19
BIG BEAR 15-Mar-19
Woods Walker 15-Mar-19
BIG BEAR 15-Mar-19
Woods Walker 15-Mar-19
BIG BEAR 15-Mar-19
Woods Walker 15-Mar-19
South Farm 15-Mar-19
Will 15-Mar-19
Bowfreak 15-Mar-19
HA/KS 15-Mar-19
Will 15-Mar-19
Woods Walker 15-Mar-19
South Farm 15-Mar-19
Woods Walker 15-Mar-19
slade 15-Mar-19
slade 15-Mar-19
slade 15-Mar-19
KSflatlander 15-Mar-19
Bowbender 15-Mar-19
Amoebus 15-Mar-19
Annony Mouse 15-Mar-19
bowbender77 15-Mar-19
Will 15-Mar-19
Rocky 15-Mar-19
BIG BEAR 15-Mar-19
HA/KS 15-Mar-19
Bowbender 15-Mar-19
KSflatlander 15-Mar-19
KSflatlander 15-Mar-19
KSflatlander 15-Mar-19
KSflatlander 15-Mar-19
KSflatlander 15-Mar-19
Trial153 15-Mar-19
spike78 15-Mar-19
Woods Walker 15-Mar-19
'Ike' 16-Mar-19
slade 16-Mar-19
slade 16-Mar-19
Your fav poster 16-Mar-19
Mike the Carpenter 16-Mar-19
Woods Walker 16-Mar-19
KSflatlander 16-Mar-19
HA/KS 16-Mar-19
KSflatlander 16-Mar-19
KSflatlander 16-Mar-19
HA/KS 16-Mar-19
Mint 16-Mar-19
kentuckbowhnter 16-Mar-19
KSflatlander 16-Mar-19
tonyo6302 16-Mar-19
tonyo6302 16-Mar-19
TD 16-Mar-19
BIG BEAR 17-Mar-19
HA/KS 17-Mar-19
BIG BEAR 17-Mar-19
Rocky 17-Mar-19
Rocky 17-Mar-19
BIG BEAR 17-Mar-19
HA/KS 17-Mar-19
BIG BEAR 17-Mar-19
HA/KS 17-Mar-19
Rocky 17-Mar-19
Two Feathers 18-Mar-19
Annony Mouse 18-Mar-19
slade 19-Mar-19
BIG BEAR 19-Mar-19
gflight 20-Mar-19
gflight 21-Mar-19
gflight 21-Mar-19
HDE 21-Mar-19
BIG BEAR 21-Mar-19
gflight 21-Mar-19
From: yooper89
14-Mar-19
Hearing reports of a major mass shooting at a mosque in New Zealand. All live-streamed on Facebook. What is wrong with people man. Heartbreaking.

14-Mar-19

'Ike' (Phone)'s Link
Crazy for sure...

14-Mar-19

'Ike' (Phone)'s Link
Looks like two Mosque involved numerous fatalities...

From: BIG BEAR
15-Mar-19
4 people in custody including a 28 year old Australian who posted a white nationalist manifesto........ 49 dead. 49 people who were praying.

Let’s hear it Spike Bull....... What do you have to say ??? Come on all you Muslim haters..... What have you got to say ??? Are you going to ignore this thread because you don’t particularly like the victims ?????

Pure evil comes in all races and all religions....... This was pure evil.

Apparently,,, He live streamed the attack on Facebook. It was the worst mass attack in the history of the country.

From: Woods Walker
15-Mar-19
Yes it was pure evil BB. But what your missing is that what these murderers did was 100% OPPOSITE of whatever Christian "faith" they claim to profess...if any at all. What Muslim murderers DO have in common is that they are following their "bible", taqiyya and all.

From: Brotsky
15-Mar-19
WW..Christian extremists aren’t any different than Islamic extremists. They both twist their religious texts to suit their extremism. Prayers for the victims. Any bets on how long it takes for the blame to be placed on Trump today?

From: Woods Walker
15-Mar-19

Woods Walker's Link
Uh....yes they are. The Bible does not permit one to lie or bear false witness for ANY reason. It also does not condone murder either.

From: BowSniper
15-Mar-19
What a mess. Back and forth, murders on top of murders. When will it ever end?!?!?! Terrible.

From: sleepyhunter
15-Mar-19
""Come on all you Muslim haters..... What have you got to say ???""

I'm not keeping score. I think it would be safe to say murder in the name of Islam is way ahead of everyone else. The only exception would be the Holocaust.

From: bigeasygator
15-Mar-19
What Muslim murderers DO have in common is that they are following their "bible"

So you’re saying the 99.999999% of Muslims that don’t become terrorists aren’t following the Quran?

From: Woods Walker
15-Mar-19

Woods Walker's Link
No, but they sure as hell don't do anything to counter them either because they're scared sh*tless. These are the "moderates". But what good is a "bible" that promotes lying anyway? And the koran most certainly does that. TAQIYYA........

If you want to kiss their a** and buy into their BS go right ahead. All I need to know about Islam I learned on 9-11.

From: BIG BEAR
15-Mar-19
What did Christians do to counter this Mosque attack Lou ??? What did you learn about them from this attack ???

Some of the stuff posted here only breeds hate......

From: Woods Walker
15-Mar-19
ISLAM breeds hate. I know we don't agree on that, but that's what it is.

From: BIG BEAR
15-Mar-19
What bred the hate in the murderers of innocent people praying ????

From: Woods Walker
15-Mar-19
I have no idea, but it certainly was NOT the teachings of Christ. These killers are no more "Christian" than Hitler was.

From: BIG BEAR
15-Mar-19
The answer to my question Lou is that evil exists among all races and religions.......

From: Woods Walker
15-Mar-19
Yes, but it is not preached, condoned and enabled in all religions like it is in Islam. That's my point.

From: South Farm
15-Mar-19
Who knew their were muslims in New Zealand? Learn something new everyday around here.

From: Will
15-Mar-19
Damn horrible on all fronts. The people who did it were pure evil. Incredibly sad that someone would wake up in the morning and think that going someplace to kill a bunch of folks is a good idea. Horrible.

From: Bowfreak
15-Mar-19
I agree Will. Sin manifests itself in many ways. It doesn't matter at this point, but is this killer a self professed Christian or are we just assuming this since the victims were muslim?

From: HA/KS
15-Mar-19

HA/KS's Link
As expected, the shooter is just another nut case with rambling thoughts. I haven't seen anything about his supposed religious beliefs yet.

"According to his manifesto, the shooter — who massacred civilians at two mosques in New Zealand’s city of Christchurch — appears to subscribe to a number of ideologies. The document is riddled with white nationalist talking points, and the shooter describes himself as a “fascist.” He also castigates Muslims as “the most despised group of invaders in the west.”

Yet elsewhere in the document, the shooter describes himself as a socialist, “depending on the definition.” The shooter also declares his support for “environmentalism,” “worker’s rights,” and “responsible markets.”"

From: Will
15-Mar-19

Will's Link
Just read the AP's story about the guy... Ooph... https://apnews.com/1e19fefcb2e948a1bf7ce63429bc186e

15-Mar-19
wow. that's stone crazy right there....support for “environmentalism,” “worker’s rights,” and “responsible markets.”" what is the world coming to...

From: Woods Walker
15-Mar-19
How about he's just nuts and leave it at that?

From: South Farm
15-Mar-19
Where'd he get the gun to do the deed? I thought they were forced to chop-up all their guns in that part of the world a while back.

15-Mar-19
Actually I regularly interact on the internet with long range shooters from Aus/NZ. They like a big over bored barrel eroding magnum as much as anybody.

From: Woods Walker
15-Mar-19
They were, so maybe this never really happened because the gun laws they have prevent it.

From: slade
15-Mar-19
Not surprised our Muslim sympathisers tried blaming Christians right out of the gate...........

From: slade
15-Mar-19

slade's Link
Australian Senator: Real Cause of NZ Bloodshed is “The Immigration Program that Allowed Muslim Fanatics to Migrate to New Zealand”

From: slade
15-Mar-19

slade's Link
Hey Christian haters, you may want to read this.............

New Zealand Shooter Hopes for U.S. Civil War: ‘Conservatism Is Dead, Thank God’

From: KSflatlander
15-Mar-19
I'm glad to see everyone here outraged at this evil act. But why is it when a right-wing extremist does something like this he is "just another nut case with rambling thoughts." But when a left-wing extremist commits any act of violence he represents all Democrats and those on the left with many of the CF?

From: Bowbender
15-Mar-19
"But why is it when a right-wing extremist does something like this..."

I dunno, but based on his ramblings he was more aligned with the left than the right.

From: Amoebus
15-Mar-19
'Real Cause of NZ Bloodshed is “The Immigration Program that Allowed Muslim Fanatics to Migrate to New Zealand”'

That is a bit of a stretch. I only see one immigrant from australia to NZ that killed 49 people - and he wasn't muslim.

I agree with Brotsky - "Christian extremists aren’t any different than Islamic extremists."

From: Annony Mouse
15-Mar-19

Annony Mouse's Link
...and vice versa.

And yet, somehow, one story gets much more coverage/publicity than the other.

From: bowbender77
15-Mar-19
Live by the sword, die by the sword !

From: Will
15-Mar-19
The biggest issue, to me, is that someone was able to become so filled with hate that they decided to go kill a bunch of people. The guy was clearly conflicted. His manifesto notes things that show he basically hated Muslims just a little more than he hated the rest of us, well, other than the white guys like him. He thought china was awesome, loves our president as a symbol but dislikes his policy's, looked up to R senator or congresswoman here, but had all sorts of socialistic ideals...

Trying to put a tag on the guy relative to ideology is easy for everyone. If you like to hate people, he's your guy. If not... The dude was a radicalized nut case who did a tremendously horrific deed.

This is NOT a L-C issue. It's an A-Hole killed a bunch of people issue.

Stay strong New Zealand!

From: Rocky
15-Mar-19
BB,

Sad that you live for these moments of tragedy and horror for political capital. I myself view Muslims with a hairy eyeball and I admit that and will not back off of that personal conviction. Ask the question which has led me to that conviction. I did not awake one morning and say I do not trust Muslim's, nor did I awake and say I want them all dead.

No one is keeping score BB. Nobody wins when these acts of horror takes place. Nobody. When you constantly intercede on the behalf of one people and sing their praises, people have committed atrocities unheard of, YOU are creating the prejudice that hear and see. Don't blame anyone else for being human and their reactions when they reference barbaric historical events by a people that have shaped our idea of who they are. Sad. Yes. That's just the way it is and history continues to prove it.

The Rock

From: BIG BEAR
15-Mar-19
“My enemy is the criminal”........Sheriff Clarke.

No score keeping here Rock...... Every time a heinous murder occurs...... It is committed by my enemy.

From: HA/KS
15-Mar-19

HA/KS's Link
"Owning or using a firearm in New Zealand does require a licence. Applicants must be over 16 and pass a background check by New Zealand Police to check whether they are a "fit and proper person".

A history of violence, relationships with criminals, a repeated involvement with drugs, or irresponsible consumption of alcohol are some of the reasons why someone might be denied a licence."

"Carrying a gun is only permitted for those with a "lawful, proper, and sufficient purpose", such as hunting, pest control or sports shooting. Self-defence is not considered a reason to have a gun."

From: Bowbender
15-Mar-19
"Self-defense is not considered a reason to have a gun." ... WHAT ??? .. how stupid is that .. smh ..."

When the queen is still "head" of your country it makes perfect sense. It's that whole subjects vs citizens thing.

From: KSflatlander
15-Mar-19

KSflatlander's Link
And then there is always the ever present “he’s not a right winger” defense on the CF when convenient.

“Tarrant, believed to be from the New South Wales city of Grafton, espouses far-right and anti-immigrant ideology in the document. He claims he had brief contact with the Norwegian mass murderer Anders Breivik, who gave his blessing to the attack.”

I’m not at all saying all those in the right are colored by this evil person but the hypocrisy runs deep in the CF. Don’t you think JTV, TD, Woods Walker, slade?

Where you at KPC? I thought you call out all BS on the CF? I guess you missed this one. Must be too busy arguing with HFW. That’s ok I got this one.

From: KSflatlander
15-Mar-19
Thanks for again proving hypocrisy is still alive and well here. I guess if it makes you feel better about yourself.

From: KSflatlander
15-Mar-19
Ok JTV, you win he was a left winger. He was filled with hate just like all Democrats and leftist liberal socialists...right?

From: KSflatlander
15-Mar-19
Shew away fly...the adults are talking

From: KSflatlander
15-Mar-19
Ok you got me on that one JTV...lol

From: Trial153
15-Mar-19
Nice see there is plenty of hate on both sides of the fence. This place is sad.

From: spike78
15-Mar-19
Is Blumenthal really blaming Trump? Just when you heard it all from these kooks.

From: Woods Walker
15-Mar-19
You mean Da Nang Dick? If he said it, it MUST be true, as he'd never lie.

From: 'Ike'
16-Mar-19
'The rise of social media and the ability to livestream an attack gives sick killers an added incentive to do their deeds with a huge, international audience of transfixed viewers. And there is no intermediation to soften the blow.'

From: slade
16-Mar-19
For our resident Christin loathing Muslim sympathizers..........

As media outlets across the world bring you the minute-by-minute updates of the Christchurch mosque shooting in New Zealand, those same outlets have been mostly silent on the recent mass slaughter of Christians in Nigeria by muslim herdsmen. Those attacks have resulted in 120 dead and 140 homes burned to the ground.

From: slade
16-Mar-19
Hey KS Lielander aka HFW's buttboy.........

Christchurch Killer: Nation with Closest ‘Values to My Own Is the People’s Republic of China’

16-Mar-19

Your fav poster's embedded Photo
Your fav poster's embedded Photo

16-Mar-19
As tragic as this is and I hate to see innocent lives lost no matter who it is, but one has got to wonder, why in the world would anyone want to build not 1, but 2 mosques in a town called “Christchurch”. Things that make you go Hmmmmm...

From: Woods Walker
16-Mar-19
SYBIL

"My name is Ethan and my mother needs insulin"

How many other Facebook accounts have you hacked today scumbag?

From: KSflatlander
16-Mar-19
Ok now social media is to blame. No wait, it’s the Muslims fault for building a mosque in a town called Christchurch. No...no...that’s not it. It’s simple because they are immigrants it’s thier own fault. Do you all ever read your own words? You don’t think the anti Muslim words spewed here on the CF play just as much a part in the world hate?” I mean the CF is social media.

This guy was emboldened to do this because anti Muslim rhetoric is in vogue now on the extreme right. I’m not saying at all that all those in the right are colored by this evil person. But if you are pushing the anti Muslim crap and generalizing around here then you align more with this guy than the majority of those on the left...including me.

You don’t get to rewrite history and blame this on the left. Blame the victims, deny science if the results don’t suit you beliefs, push conspiracy theories (but I was just posting information...BS), use fear and hate to drive your agenda. That is the hallmark of fascism. If this angers you and stings a bit then good...it was directed at you. Some here are filled with hateful ignorance.

Lastly, Slade I let you off the hook the last time you called me a liar. You made a complete fool of yourself and then had the audacity to blame me for your accusation (wind turbine thread). I turned the other cheek thinking that maybe you learned a lesson. Or that maybe by me not calling you out that you would take it as an olive branch. Nope...your that guy and call me a liar again here. One word describes you...COWARD.

From: HA/KS
16-Mar-19
To be clear, I would never attend a church that fails to condemn attacks like this one - though I also don't want the church to spend too much time and energy on every individual tragedy worldwide.

While the government should attempt to protect from attacks by enemies (even with deadly force when necessary), it is not the job of individuals to do so unless they are at the command of the government.

Mosques around the world are harboring terrorists, but that is probably not the case with most of them and we certainly have heard nothing that says these mosques were anything but worship centers. Even if they were involved in terror activities, many of the people attacked were not.

As I stated earlier on this thread, the person responsible for the attacks is just a nut case. He also dropped lots of names in his incoherent and rambling writings. I doubt he had a political ideology any more coherent than his writing. He did seem to be more supportive of socialism in its various forms, but I would not blame socialists (or social media) for this attack.

From: KSflatlander
16-Mar-19
HA/KS- he supported socialism the the name drop of Trump was just “incoherent and rambling writings.” Nice selectivity.

From: KSflatlander
16-Mar-19
And the poster child shows up...priceless

From: HA/KS
16-Mar-19
Flatlander "He did seem to be more supportive of socialism"

How is this not an accurate statement. He did a lot of name dropping of people in and out of world politics which has nothing to do with his statements in support of socialsim.

From: Mint
16-Mar-19
According to his manifesto his ideology was socialist/communism. Can't have that in the media so make him a white nationalist. Oh yeah, he hated conservatives and President Trump.

As far as Muslim extremists and Christian extremists they would be the same if they killed people in the name of their god. I only hope and pray that the amount of Muslim extremists gets down to the level of the Christian extremists that kill.

16-Mar-19
My sources say Obama considers this fake news because mass shootings only happen in America and nowhere else in the world.

From: KSflatlander
16-Mar-19
I can see well enough that I’m literate...more than you can say. FYI- Those things on the self in libraries, those are books.

From: tonyo6302
16-Mar-19

tonyo6302's Link
From the link; Why no one cares about the Campaign of Death against Christians

.. . .

. . . .

"Open Doors says each month more than 300 Christians are killed for their faith, more than 200 churches or Christian properties are destroyed, and almost 800 acts of violence are committed against Christians"

Hint: Christian deaths do not meet the litmus test of the Main Stream Media

http://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/world/2016/april/why-no-one-cares-about-the-campaign-of-death-against-christians

From: tonyo6302
16-Mar-19

tonyo6302's Link
"Radical Muslims Murder 32 Nigerian Christians, Torch Church in Brutal Attack"

.. . . .

. . . .

http://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/cwn/2019/march/radical-muslims-murder-32-nigerian-christians-torch-church-in-brutal-attack

From: TD
16-Mar-19
He was a nut case crazy person. Due process and a very public execution IMO.

If this act were aided or supported by ANY group or ideology I would support hunting them down and stopping them and see they are removed from civil society however necessary.

Can you can point to any group that aided or supported this? Trump's fault?

Some people are blaming white Christians for this nut job? All white Christians I have talked to.... to a person..... want justice for the evil he has done. Most say, yeah.... fry the evil bastard. OK.... we got nothing there.... but their "hate" speech is the cause?

Vigilance as to a threat is no more hate than a police officer carrying a firearm is "hate" for his community. He's sworn to protect his community from danger and harm..... not hate them. (some will accuse them of hate as a group for just one bad apple regardless) And they should be aware of suspicious activity..... and yeah, profiling to a degree I would think. If someone or some group is sworn to kill you.....and has already done so by the thousands, is it to be ignored? If there is a group sworn to kill all muslims.... they should be dealt with in kind as well. I see no reason to give anyone any passes for such actions.

If one wanted to debate or compare the support and reaction of various religious ideologies, cultures actually... to terrorist acts... by all means, that is a discussion that can be held. But facts are, insane people do insane things..... by definition. Look at the Los Vegas shooting..... after all this time, still no clue as to why. And certainly not supported or aided by any groups I'm aware of anyway. Or any ideology other than psycho. Was Jim Jones considered an organized group or just a psycho when he murdered all his followers.... a one man "group" you might say. Who or what "caused" him to do such things? No social media, no video games, no Islamic extremism, not even any guns..... why?

Trying to assign a "why" to such things is the natural reaction.... to a sane person..... sometimes there IS no other reason other than sanity is not applicable.....

These people definitely hated others..... and in insane minds they mostly just look for ways to justify their hate and their actions.

Due process, eliminate them from society. Fry him. Guess that makes me what some here would call a "right wing extremist" for, um.... let me get this straight... for wanting justice against what some are calling a right wing extremist......

From: BIG BEAR
17-Mar-19
I don’t give a damned what they were “killing in the name of”....... They were evil murderous bastards....... the same as any other evil murderous bastards.

From: HA/KS
17-Mar-19

HA/KS's embedded Photo
HA/KS's embedded Photo

From: BIG BEAR
17-Mar-19
Isn’t that what you guys call one of those “straw man” arguments Henry ?? Deflecting attention from the horrors of what happened ........

From: Rocky
17-Mar-19
BB,

I believe Henry was highlighting perspective to sensational media coverage. Forty nine dead in one place at the hands of one man does not super cede forty nine dead in another by a group intent and planning future acts of terrorism, to kill scores of other innocent people on a continuous basis. The one demented sole actor has been removed and will be no more. The same can not be said for a terror org. that has replacements standing in wait to fill the shoes of their fallen Muslim barbaric brothers to carry out and enforce the holy words of the Koran.

The two are completely separate in regards to dangerous and imminent future acts of violence in its planning and blueprinted stage as we speak.

Would you agree BB?

The Rock

From: Rocky
17-Mar-19

Rocky's Link

From: BIG BEAR
17-Mar-19
I would agree ....... As long as you are clear that it is Radical Islamic Terrorists you are speaking of. The guys who we are at war with.

From: HA/KS
17-Mar-19
BB, in case you missed it, this is what I said earlier on this thread.

"To be clear, I would never attend a church that fails to condemn attacks like this one - though I also don't want the church to spend too much time and energy on every individual tragedy worldwide.

While the government should attempt to protect from attacks by enemies (even with deadly force when necessary), it is not the job of individuals to do so unless they are at the command of the government.

Mosques around the world are harboring terrorists, but that is probably not the case with most of them and we certainly have heard nothing that says these mosques were anything but worship centers. Even if they were involved in terror activities, many of the people attacked were not."

As for your statement about "The guys who we are at war with." I think it should be a declared war, not a police action.

From: BIG BEAR
17-Mar-19
If our soldiers are shooting at them..... and getting killed by them........ It’s a war. Call it what you will.....

From: HA/KS
17-Mar-19
BB, if we are serious it should either be declared. Remember what was the first war declared by the US.

From: Rocky
17-Mar-19
BB,

"Radical Islamic Terrorists". Absolutely agree. The problem becomes heightened In America that a particular sect in alarming numbers allows themselves to be radicalized and indoctrinated at such a young age so easily, with a burning desire of hate for the West. The horrendous acts they commit are so deeply ingrained, that Americans, generally speaking, find themselves in knee jerk protective mode. The human condition is conditioned by humans, and the social interaction and response becomes mandatory to survival, the video of beheading and cages of fire dancing in our heads.

The Rock

From: Two Feathers
18-Mar-19
I don't remember where, I think Europe, the birth rate is 9 muslins to 2 of the rest. If you don't think world dominance isn't the religion of Islam, thlnk again.

From: Annony Mouse
18-Mar-19
Wonder why so much more media coverage on the NZ shooting while Christians world wide are being slaughtered and a much higher ratio by the koranderthals.

Agenda much?

From: slade
19-Mar-19
""THOUSANDS of Christians killed in Nigeria “GENOCIDE” by radical militants – Ignored by the media"", spineless liberals and Musloid sympathisers/excuse makers..............

""Black Lives Matter. Except when they’re Christian and happen to be living in Nigeria""...

From: BIG BEAR
19-Mar-19
Pretty much any and all mass murders and airplane crashes overseas get about one minute on the news in the U.S. for one day......

From: gflight
20-Mar-19
Plenty of that knee jerk acceptance from so-called conservatives right here...

From: gflight
21-Mar-19
Lost all mine in the boating accident. I used to say Republican supermajority but repuglicans have warmed up to gun grabbing as of late...

From: gflight
21-Mar-19
NZ to ban car horns....

Disturbing footage reveals how accused Christchurch mosque gunman beeped his car horn to get Muslim worshippers' attention 'before opening fire on them'

Even though Trump and the NRA sold out gun owners, at least we are not NZ yet. Hard to kill 2A that easily, and the ATF rule only sets the stage for a semi-auto ban....Hopefully courts will shoot it down soon like 0bama's unconstitutional BS.

From: HDE
21-Mar-19
Only cowards practice group punishment. The NZ prime minister is one such coward.

Having something taken away when you did nothing wrong? Bullshit.

From: BIG BEAR
21-Mar-19
Where’s old Spike saying the point is let’s not allow this to happen in the U.S.A.,,,,,,, Interesting that he has no comment here.........

From: gflight
21-Mar-19
"If A HRC was in, you'd alreAdy have the 93 ban and further back."

Nope, but we would have two liberal judges on SCOTUS which would be just as bad...

  • Sitka Gear