Jim Johnston (left) shot this 197 lb wolf in northern Alberta, while bear hunting. This was filmed by Jeff Grimolfson (right)and will air on "The Hunting Chronicles" on Wild TV.
They say it "looks like it's going to be close to the new world record."
This story and the facts above were in Big Buck magazine, and are assumed to be accurate.
how many deer/elk/moose etc, do you think a 197 pound wolf (and the rest of his pack) eat a year?
I don't know but that one won't be eating anymore.
I seriously doubt that this wolf weighs 197.
Turns out that all of the 200 lb wolves I have heard about here in Alaska were "killed" in bars!
Pete
It'd be interesting to know, true enough. But I'm more interested in how many yuppies and yuppies' puppies. Loud mouthed granola crunchers and their yappy little furballs. Those are the numbers that'll put a smile on my face.
Old news. I've seen this thing floating around for at least a year or 2.
Really neat pictures of a really big wolf, but we don't have to inflate its weight for it to be a good story.
As far as holding the weight, I'm not a very big fella, but I can bear hug my 200 lb brother and hold him off the ground. I wouldn't want to, but I could.
Lifting 200 lbs off the ground would be another story altogehter though.
I don't know, I've never even seen a live wolf, I thought it was an interesting set of pictures and story. But it seems like most everyone else is annoyed by it in some way or another. Go figure :)
Nice lookin' animal.
do the math on how many deer/elk a pack of 5 wolves will eat in a year.
According to the magazine article, this wolf is currently being scored to determine if it is a new record. My understanding is that it was taken in May of 2009. If that is true I don't see how it could surface every year on the internet with a different story. I provided as many facts as I could, based from the story of a reputable magazine. Sorry it upset you.
Ever hold a cougar or any other 125# animal up? Not very hard especially if you just shot the new world record wolf.
Get a grip and give the hunter a thumbs up instead of bashing the story, some of you guys that have never been in wolf country and seen some of these dogs would have a different view of this pic if you experinced it first hand.
Shot app 1.5 hrs west of home, big damn dog....
Ever hold a cougar or any other 125# animal up? Not very hard especially if you just shot the new world record wolf.
Get a grip and give the hunter a thumbs up instead of bashing the story, some of you guys that have never been in wolf country and seen some of these dogs would have a different view of this pic if you experinced it first hand.
Shot app 1.5 hrs west of home, big damn dog....
I'm pretty sure I saw this picture at least a year ago. Do the math. And if you blow it up you'll see the steel cable from the snare still around the critter's neck. Not my idea of "hunting".
The Old Sarge
So post, or at least link to, the video.
Again, I don't care to argue, because I don't really care whether its the same or not. I just wish people would stop passing off second hand info as fact because they were told by a guy who's cousins brother in law that used to date the sister of the guy that shot it when they were in the 8th grade. Give sources, if its going to be on tv, there should be a link to a webpage with a picture or a video clip promo or an air date.
Next thing you know, we'll hear that the monster Illinois high fence buck was shot in the Carribean after swimming the Gulf of Mexico from Texas because someone got it in an email...
Same reason I'm happy my wife has small hands.
Wages's Link
The information I posted comes from Big Buck magazine, a reputable publication. Here is a picture of the front cover of the most recent issue in which this article appears, along with a shot of the article from which the facts I've referred to appear.
I’m not a big fan of internet gossip and all of the “world record” deer photos that have no credible source, that’s why I’ve tried a number of times to provide the relevant information. If any of this information turns out to be incorrect, false or misleading, I apologize in advance.
It seems that at this point the people who are spreading the internet gossip are the nay-sayers who keep disputing this, without providing any proof of their own.
Also, here is a link to the website owned by Mr. Grimolfson.
I expect each of you who have claimed to have seen these pictures for years, or to “know” that this story is bogus, or to see somthing in the photo that suggest a snare, to provide as much to back your claims as I have tried to do here, I can not find these picture on the internet before the summer of 2009.
No hard feelings from me if you end up debunking this entire story, but don't just sit there calling B.S. or making claims of snares and such unless you have something to back it up with, after all, nonsense like that is how all of the internet rumors get started. This kind of behavior is no better than the very thing you are claiming to dislike.
http://proliberty.com/observer/20090623.htm
This is just another case of the anonymity of cyberspace allows people to make specious claims regarding that which they know nothing about.
Notice the cable?
The Old Sarge
Don't know what this thing is, probably some grass.
Go ahead and blow it up and point out the alterations if there are any. I'm just telling the story as I remember it ... from right here on Bowsite ... several months ago. And I'm not the only one ...
The Old Sarge
Maybe the wolf WAS shot. It's a very common way to dispose of animals still alive after trapping/snaring. I admit I have not see the video. Neither have the vast majority of those that accept this current version of the story.
Ever heard the old saying, "Don't believe anything you hear and only half of what you see."? Did it ever occur to any of you that the video to which you refer may be the phony? Any of you have any idea what can be done with video nowadays?
The Old Sarge
How about the other two at the top of the page?
The salient question is, have you? Take a step back and think about it.
Anyone compared all the photos to see if any have been altered?
The Old Sarge
"Actually, the joke is on anybody that believes this wolf weighs in at 197 lbs or believes it was NOT snared."
Really?
Wages's Link
The story in the magazine relates that the 2 men were bear hunting over bait and had a large bear come in, and then they notice the wolves next to them. They shot the wolf in the picture as you might guess. Again, this is how the story reads, I have it right here in my hand. (has a lot of great deer hunting stories too!)
I can find all kinds of internet hogwash about this wolf all over the net, on lots of other discussion forums like this one, but the Big Buck magazine article seems to be the only story that has anything other than hear say.
I find it interesting that everyone that claimed to have seen these pictures for years seems to have gotten awfully quiet, when asked to back those statements.
And still others continue to add to the rumors in an attempt to "straighten" this all out. lol
I did finally get the search to work, and found this thread from June (see link).
New Moon - of course!!! Werewolf!!!
Sarge if you didn`t shop the pics someone did. I look at your post and you say you have to blow up the pic to see the snare around his neck. Clearly without blowing the pic up you see the "snare" hanging from his hand, not even close to his neck. If this is the best you can do not buying it.
Spring wolf with short hair, easily 197lbs. and if you have ever taken a 125# wolf and held it up you would buy the weight.
Look at the 130# wolf with winter fur and then the 197#er, no comparison.
Sarge if you didn`t shop the pics someone did. I look at your post and you say you have to blow up the pic to see the snare around his neck. Clearly without blowing the pic up you see the "snare" hanging from his hand, not even close to his neck. If this is the best you can do not buying it.
Spring wolf with short hair, easily 197lbs. and if you have ever taken a 125# wolf and held it up you would buy the weight.
Look at the 130# wolf with winter fur and then the 197#er, no comparison.
Sarge if you didn`t shop the pics someone did. I look at your post and you say you have to blow up the pic to see the snare around his neck. Clearly without blowing the pic up you see the "snare" hanging from his hand, not even close to his neck. If this is the best you can do not buying it.
Spring wolf with short hair, easily 197lbs. and if you have ever taken a 125# wolf and held it up you would buy the weight.
Look at the 130# wolf with winter fur and then the 197#er, no comparison.
Also, the image Sarge posted is a completely different image from the one shown in the first post of this thread (same dude holding wolf though). If you will read the June Bowsite thread in Wages' link (about 9 posts above this one) you will see that same picture was posted by member "Bear Track" back in June. In that June thread, it was referred-to by several members as "old" at that time. FWIW.
I don't really care what the wolf weighs, nor when he was taken.....just glad he's dead ;)
Not sure if you get Wild TV but they may offer it (the clip) online, other than that I still can`t find it. Saw it at Hunt/Fish Show this summer.
But if you have ever read the National Enquirer, you'll certainly belive in visitors from Mars. After all, it was in print, therefore it must be true.
The cardinal rule of journalism is check your sources. Then understand the inverted pyramid and who, what, when, where why and how.
Just as an aside, I have a close friend in MB who is laughing has asse off about that story and pictures.
One way to put this all to rest. Have the guy who killed the wolf surface and tell his story...not the magazine, the actual hunter.
Personally, I don't care if the wolf weighed 500 pounds. I don't like wolves, glad to see that one dead, don't care how it was killed. I was glad to see it killed when I saw the picture last year.
I concur JHP's advice is sound, and I have only reported what I have read, I sited the source from the very beginning, and have repeatedly asked for others to counter the magazine article with something substantiated, if they can.
On the 30th you wrote: >>"What is annoying is that is surfaces every year with a different story behind it. It is always the cousin of somebody who knows the sister of the guy who killed it."
And then tonight you wrote: >>"Just as an aside, I have a close friend in MB who is laughing has asse off about that story and pictures."
Again, as others have, it seems as if you are doing the very thing you are condemning. (here with coy suggestions)
You also wrote: >>"One way to put this all to rest. Have the guy who killed the wolf surface and tell his story...not the magazine, the actual hunter."
Maybe you want to employ that cardinal rule of journailism and call him and ask for an interview as a journalist and outdoor writer. The contact info is on the grims monster bait link listed above.
Just an FYI, my cousin's sister knows a guy that finds this story humorous as well. :)
What I am pointing out is just because this story ran in a publication doesn't make it true. What I might also point out is I know of no category for world record wolf. It is judged by skull size, length, tip to tip, weight? What makes a world record wolf? It is true, SCI will score anything including a Tampax but how do you score a wolf? What is the criteria?
What I am also pointing out, just FYI, is my friend in MB has seen this picture many times. He works near Sled Lake in SK...as a trapper...a wolf trapper.
I think I know your cousins's sister, may have met the guy she knows. Both his eye are on the same side, right? They call him flounder? :)
Rest assured, if I send something for print, it has been verified and villified. On a forum,I may say any screwing thing. :)
gunslinger's Link
My brother brian, alot of you guys know us from hunting with us up at bear camp. has killed 170 pound wolf up here already out at nordegg, this wolf is legitimate and all on video.
He is a monster wolf and it was shot here in alberta.
Ive attached a photo here of the one we got, we still ahve alot of work to do killing alot more. This is dad holding him up
I guess we will argue over FRONTAL shots, MECHANICALS, and HIGH FENCES too!
I finished my first bag of popcorn already so let me know if I need to pop some more. Mike
LIAR!!! PHOTOSHOP!!
Just kidding. I am coming to the conclussion that no amount of proof will convince the skeptics that there are wolves that are 200 or even 170 pounds.
It's like Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and the Holocaust. When people get too invested in their opinion, things like video of the kill shot and second-hand accounts from people who actually know the guy in one of the pictures get trumped by photoshop conspiracy theories, theories of "friends", and so forth.
It doesn't but we would have the same exact discussion here if someone claimed to have shot a 2000 lb Brown Bear or a 500 lb whitetail.
COULD it happen? I suppose, but the chances are infinitesimal.
