Discuss our Australia Water Buffalo Hunt
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From: bghunter
15-Jul-10
Pat

The first day is already exciting, just waiting to see if you get into a big shark. Can't wait for the rest of the hunt it is one I hope to do one day in the future.

Have a fun hunt and I will be looking forward to the rest of the posts.

From: elkman
15-Jul-10
Pat, I just finished my hunt for water buffalo and had a blast in the Northern territories. You should have a ball, we were into buffalo every day. Stay safe and have fun. I am looking forward to following your hunt. Be sure to put out some traps for the fresh water prawns and crayfish, they are excellent. Ron

From: Zbone
15-Jul-10
Way cool... Good Luck!

BTW, luv the feature cover photo.

From: bigpizzaman
15-Jul-10
Good Luck! Am VERY interested in going, SOON! Tim

15-Jul-10
Ok, here we go, another Bowsite "classic"! Good Luck! Pat & Pat Jr.!

From: bohuntr
15-Jul-10
Good luck fellas!!! Looking forward to following the hunts!

From: medicinemann
15-Jul-10
Pat,

Looks like a great time.....I wouldn't imagine many boys that are your son's age will be able to go back to school in the Fall with a "How I spent my summer" story that can compete!!

I am surprised that you released that Queensfish....it looks like you have quite the gill grip on that sucker!!

Is it safe to assume that you are using the exact same rig that you used for your cape buffalo?

From: Gene
15-Jul-10
OK Pat, what kind of nasty snake are you going to mess with on this trip? You know they have some really deadly ones down under! Good luck to you and your son.

From: Bou'bound
15-Jul-10
good luck this will be great!

my guess is at the end of this trip you will say this will be the best trip you have ever taken since Patrick is sharing it with you and it is a true adventure (not that the gators and hogs with him haven't been, but this will be different).

From: TD
15-Jul-10
I can't wait for the stalk on the mighty feral cat.... 94 lbs should be enough with the right broadhead.... =D

Good luck! What an adventure!

From: Clutch
15-Jul-10
Good luck Guys--make the first shot count--

From: Zbone
15-Jul-10
Forgot to ask - Is your shark hunting over?

16-Jul-10
Here we go - good luck pat and pat.

sounds like the first two days have already been amazing and i am pretty sure the others will be too.

at long last i have something useful for this computer to do and thats to tune in every day so you better post plenty.

all the best and heres to you smoking one of those h2o buffalo.

16-Jul-10
Good stuff lads, Antonio and Shane are great fellas.

My close mate Andy will be with you on the water buff I think, make sure his hair doesn't get caught in yer cams when you hit full draw! LOL

From: INbowdude
16-Jul-10
Wish I'd have takent the time to do more than just hunt buffs when I was there. Thanks for taking us along on this adventure. Cheers, mate.

From: antarcher
16-Jul-10
Well I must say that it was an absolute pleasure to have been able to share a camp and some fun with both Pat senior and junior and also with Shane. Right from the get go we had that feeling of mutual respect that only true hunters can feel and appreciate and when you get that feeling, you know that whatever goes down, it is always going to fun.

Pat jr. is a very fine young man and he is as keen as they come. He was always willing to listen and learn and never complained once, even when on a bit of a death march to far out swamps in very hot and humid conditions and also when I got us bogged 200m out of camp. He loved his fishing big time and I am sure he is still smiling when he thinks about some of the lunkers he pulled in.

You guys are always welcome back and next time we will taste some of the other fine hunting opportunities we have on offer and maybe get you back up there to get one of those blasted sharks attached to your bow.

Looking forward to following along on the rest of the trip and I also wish that we had some more time up there. Sure was an action packed couple of days though and thanks for coming down

16-Jul-10
"He was always willing to listen and learn and never complained once"

Julie: Did you see that quote from above about Pat Jr.?? I bet you have the same results! LOL! It's always a pleasure as a parent when folks outside of the family appreciate all the great parenting work you both do! Can't wait for the next day and the next!! Charlie

From: medicinemann
17-Jul-10
Pat,

Is there a travel day or two before the water buffalo bowhunt will start?

From: Orionbeme
17-Jul-10
Pat - can you comment on presence/absence of snakes where you are and at this time of year? Have always read so much about the number of really nasty snakes in Australia - including sea snakes.

From: medicinemann
17-Jul-10
Pat,

How big are the King brown's? The Inland Taipan is another one that you really want to avoid.....

Is the stream that you are camped next to fresh water, or is it a brackish tributary? How far are you from the ocean? How far inland will the saltie's travel? Are these the gharials (or however it is spelled)?

Judging by the insect netting, bugs must be a factor some of the time. You're sleeping rather close to the water, isn't that a concern based on the saltie's?....or don't they leave the water at night?

How are you getting internet access out in the bush?

GREAT adventure!

From: elkman
17-Jul-10
Pat. Do you have traps in the water for freshwater prawns and red claw crayfish? They are delicious additions to the evening meal. Ron

From: Chip T.
17-Jul-10
Pat-You are hunting with Mick. Would that be Mick Dundee of Crocodile Dundee fame?:)

Jake-Just keep up the pep talk:)

From: Waterfowler
17-Jul-10
If I'm not mistaken this hunt was about 2 weeks ago. So its a post hunt semi live hunt correct?

Either way speed it up man the wait is killing me.

From: Chip T.
17-Jul-10
Yes, it is about 2 weeks old but Pat is keeping it to a daily post.

From: Buffalo1
18-Jul-10
You've got a really interesting story going. Wishing you a safe and successful hunt.

Pat Jr. is a blessed young man to experience all of the outdoors he has at such an early age.

From: antarcher
18-Jul-10
On the snake subject, on the day I hunted alone, I came across 4 Taipan's, these are no.2 deadly in the world behind the inland taipan, or Fierce snake, as it is now known. All four snakes were not mature adults, but I was quite wary all the same as they were inside my comfort zone when they were spotted. One was up and ready to go and the others played dog, which suited me fine.

In fact I was looking at the ground so much after the fourth snake, that I almost missed spotting the pig I shot. Snake paranoia is not a fun thing when it kicks in, but normally you don't come across many at all. We covered a heap of ground the day before and saw none and in my many hours of time spent in the Aussie bush, snake's have been a rare occurance, all except that one day of course

From: Zbone
19-Jul-10
I know what SCI is, but what are Douglas Points?

From: antarcher
19-Jul-10
Douglas points is actually the Douglas Score system. it is the system of measurement here in the south pacific. We also have some organisations using SCI, but Douglas is the main one. It is very similar to Pope and Young scoring, but we don't record gross scores, just the doubling of the smaller side

From: medicinemann
20-Jul-10
Pat,

You were right.....that bull didn't go very far!!

From: Trophy8
20-Jul-10
Congrats Pat!

From: antarcher
20-Jul-10
Good going Pat, a huge beast for sure. Can you tell us a little on how the arrow and head fared and if it hit any bone, or anything else for that matter,on its deadly course. Also what is your take on bone thickness and toughness between the cape buff and this one

20-Jul-10
well done way to go Pat. for most 25 yards is close but to get it down to 14 just to count the eyelashes is really showing off. lol. congrats on a great stalk and i bet you were looking for a tree when that critter jumped up and looked at you!!!! again well done on a very nice trophy. look forward to reading and seeing what you got up to for the rest of the trip.

20-Jul-10
Great stuff mate, great stalk-shot-aftermath. Well done!

From: Owl
20-Jul-10
Nicely done. Your bull had a flair for melodrama dying with all 4 in the air like that. Good stuff.

Kudos to Pat Jr. for shooting the action so smoothly. Takes an advanaced presence of mind.

From: njbuck
20-Jul-10
Pat, congrats on another fine trophty. Following along with bowsites live and semi live hunts is amazing, they really make me feel like i am right there alongside of you all. Tell Pat Jr. great work filming crunch time.

From: Seminole
20-Jul-10
Pat: Congrats on a fantastic trophy. Looks like you got plenty of arrow penetration! The bull had very little flight response and that was a very fast kill! Great shot!

From: joshuaf
20-Jul-10
That's a beauty. A little easier than a Cape Buff? Seems like maybe the Water Buffalo don't travel in herds quite so much, making stalk opportunities a little more high percentage?

I'm curious about the arrow's path to the vitals. Obviously you were shooting at a slightly downward and strongly quartering away angle, based upon how the bull was bedded when you shot. From the location of the entrance wound and the fact that the arrow went in up to the nock, it looks as though it would barely have penetrated far enough forward to get into the vital organs. And yet, it was a mighty quick kill. Can you tell us which organs your broadhead got?

Can you also tell us a little about the cost of the hunt. I don't know if I'll ever be able to afford an Africa cape buff hunt, but I want to kill a big wild buffalo with my bow at some point. Is the Aussie buffalo hunt a good deal less expensive than an African buffalo hunt, or not that much difference?

From: bohuntr
20-Jul-10
Waaaaay to go Pat!!! Also a double thumbs up to the cameraman for getting really good footage!

From: INbowdude
20-Jul-10
Welcome to the royal order of water buffalo hunters!

From: Hawkeye
20-Jul-10
Well done! Very impressive.

From: Horn Donkey
20-Jul-10
That's the real deal there! Congrats Pat!

From: BuckSlayer
20-Jul-10
Awesome stalk and shot Pat! Pat Jr's turn?

20-Jul-10
So are you going to chase Scrub bulls and Brumbies? I would love to see a brumbie in a trophy shot. I didn't think too much about wild horses until I moved to an area where there are too many of them. They are really dominate and will take over water holes, chasing deer and elk. I have even had to throw rocks at a stallion to get him to stop following me!

From: Shiras
20-Jul-10
Great job, Pat and PJ did an excellent job with the camera.

From: Hollywood
20-Jul-10
Nice! Good stalk, great shot!

From: steff
20-Jul-10
Great bull!!! Nicely done!

From: Txnrog
20-Jul-10
Awesome live hunt! Congrats Pat, that one's definately on my list.

From: W8N4RUT
20-Jul-10
man--that was cool.

From: rooster
20-Jul-10
Nice job Pat, very exciting, and I second Owl's mention of Pat Jr's fine camera work. I hope the story evolves into Patrick's taking a buff as well. MO

From: TD
20-Jul-10
Congrats! Thanks for taking us along!

Those buffs must be so wide they can't lay over on their side!

Many more animals like that and you'll have to start bumping stuff to another wall....

From: elkmtngear
20-Jul-10

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Congratulations, Pat! Go, Pat Jr!!

Best of Luck, Jeff

From: Bou'bound
20-Jul-10
nice job and great video.........are you going after another one? Is Pat Jr. going to hunt one as well.

From: Zbone
20-Jul-10
Wow, way cool… You have some big ones stalking that close without backup. Many CONGRADS!!!

Question – What are "trooper shafts".

Thanx

From: Stillman
20-Jul-10
Awesome!!! Great footage from the kid. Congrats on a really cool stalk and hunt.

20-Jul-10
Something else that I have to do. Awesome.

From: Buffalo1
20-Jul-10
Thanks for sharing your great adventure. Super stalk, great shot placement & nice trophy. Patrick did a great job capturing the hunt on camera.

From: Bigpizzaman
20-Jul-10
Congrats! Can I borrow Pat Jr. for my return to Zim? ;o)

From: Beendare
20-Jul-10
Good stalk and great footage but to tip them over with feet in the air like that...very cool- congrats.

From: Bou'bound
20-Jul-10
what are you going to do with the head? do they keep the meat from those things

From: Rupe
20-Jul-10
Well done! Kind of funny to see it with all 4 legs up in the air.

Thanks for sharing your hunt with us.

From: antarcher
20-Jul-10
That's what I would a call a 4 hoofed salute

From: sagepig
20-Jul-10
Awesome stuff, well done. I hunted buffalo a couple of years ago and heading over next month to hunt Scrub Bulls in Cape York. What is the camo your wearing Pat? we can't get anything like that here in new Zealand.

From: Clutch
20-Jul-10
Great footage--congrats

From: Orionbeme
21-Jul-10

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Sagepig - Pat mentioned that his camo is Predator Spring Green - have attached a link to the Predator website. Others come and go, but they've been around for a long time; was good, is good, will be good.

From: sagepig
21-Jul-10
Awesome mate, thankyou. Will take a look.

21-Jul-10
Another one bites the dust! Way cool! Congrats Pats!

From: joshuaf
21-Jul-10
Awesome pigs, Pat Jr.! Man, I want to go to Australia!

From: INbowdude
21-Jul-10
Great pigs mate! Very cool to see it on video. I'm with you on the leeches, although I'd take them over the fleas on the hogs. LOL. Congrats, Pat Jr.

From: elkmtngear
21-Jul-10

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Congrats Pat Jr, way to bring home the bacon!

Great video!!

Best of Luck, Jeff (Bowsite Sponsor)

From: SJJ
21-Jul-10
Sorry if I missed this info....what are the temperatures your hunting in? Hope you could briefly describe how you get the pigs (and Buffalo)out.... how are they processed and where does the meat go? Looks like a great time for sure

thanks

From: T Mac
21-Jul-10
Pat and Pat Jr. outstanding! Enjoy your time together they are memories that will last a lifetime!

From: Genesis
21-Jul-10
I think you showed me that for myself and my family that Australia would fit us better than Africa,very impressed!

From: Purdue
21-Jul-10
What is Pat jr's. setup?

21-Jul-10
Great huntin Pat Jr.!

21-Jul-10
Yeah awesome stuff as this goes along :)

From: Buffalo1
21-Jul-10
Congrats Pat, Jr. Good shooting. I believe you are steadier on the camera than your dad.

What a testament to "take a kid hunting!"

From: Clutch
21-Jul-10
Father & Son team--congrats

From: BuckSlayer
22-Jul-10
Australia looks like an awesome hunt as an alternative to Africa. I noticed the head of your buffalo on the ground there Pat. What is the plan for it? Euro mount? Just wondering what kind of options you have when taking such large game. Do most guys just mount the horns? Does the remoteness of your hunting area have anything to do with your options as far as keeping the cape from spoiling? Again, awesome father/son hunting. Looking forward to more!

From: joshuaf
22-Jul-10
That is incredible penetration that Pat Jr.'s arrow got in your bull. Do Water Buffalo have the overlapping ribs same as Cape Buffalo? What is your son's bow set-up?

From: antarcher
22-Jul-10
Way to go Patrick, well done on smoking some big bacon. Leeches are a small price to pay for so much fun

From: elkmtngear
22-Jul-10

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Wow, Pat, thanks for the info on Australia, it is truly the "land of the free" when it comes to hunting

I'm hopeful that both you and Pat Jr get further opportunities on Buff before the long journey home

Best of Luck, Jeff (Bowsite Sponsor)

From: elmikebow
22-Jul-10
Don’t let this opportunity go, you’re not going to be disappointed by your son he would do it, he has a good teacher

22-Jul-10
I enjoyed the Live Hunt discussion of the "lack of regulation" in N.T. for hunting feral animals.

Do NOT get the idea that all of Australia is this regulation-free! Where I have visited in NSW and Vic, there are TONS of regulations. Hunting (as a NR alien) in those states is complicated and paper-work intensive!

And getting trophies home is even more complicated!

Pete

From: sid1970
22-Jul-10
Pat

What did you guys do with the meat from those animals and also could you give me an idea of what a hunt like that costs. Looks like a lot of fun for sure. Pulling for Pat Jr. now!

From: antarcher
22-Jul-10
If anybody would like to know more about some of the regulations in the southern states then please feel free contact me and I will fill you in.

As a basic guide, getting your own guns into Australia is a big hassle, so if you are planning a rifle hunting trip, then it is best to know someone or use a gudie. If you want to bring a hand gun then you can basically forget it. As far as bowhunting is concerned, we have no regulations as to the transportation and use of bows, bar minimum poundage in a couple of states for deer.

Queensland has the same regulations as Northern Territory when it comes to feral game. Basically it is none, you can go for your life. In Queensland there are large herds of Red, Chital, Rusa and Fallow deer, plus absolutely tonnes of pigs and goats and other ferals. Cape York is a pilgrimage few serious bowhunters miss out on doing at least once in their lives. No bag limits at all in Queensland.

In NSW, to hunt all feral species you do not need a license except for hunting deer. For deer on private land you need a G license and for public land, of which there is a lot now, you need an R license. Both of these can be obtained on line www.gamecouncil.nsw.gov.au There is a season for Red and Fallow deer in NSW from March 1st to October 31st and all other deer species are open all year, with no bag limits on any species. There are also large herds of Rusa and some Sambar and Chital in NSW, plus heaps of pigs and goats and other small game.

In Victoria there is a lot of public land available and to hunt both public and private land in Victoria you need a Victorian game license, which can be purchased over the counter, or on line, at www.dse.vic.gov.au This website has plenty of info and the following link has all the hunting info in it http://www.dse.vic.gov.au/DSE/nrenrt.nsf/LinkView/FF005D6524DBDDA3CA2573750023299B7380F92E35E27D99CA2573750023D375

Victoria is home to mighty Sambar deer and they live in beautiful alpine areas where you can hunt them backpack style and they also have the only huntable hog deer herd in the world. There is a season for hog deer for the month of April only and it is private access or ballot only, although some ranch style places have them too. Red deer have a season in Vic and there are Fallow as well. Pigs and goats are in Victoria as well.

South Australia has some great opportunities for deer and Western Australia has a few, WA has a lot goats and pigs in the northern half of the state. Tasmania is the only state where it is illegal to hunt deer with a bow.

So there is a rough description and as I said, I would be happy to help with any queries any may have, including info on guides and the like.

From: antarcher
22-Jul-10
Water buffalo were introduced in the 1800's into northern Australia as source for meat and the top end of Australia is wet tropics, much like there home range in south east Asia, so they made a good fit.

In the 60's and 70's, buffalo numbers were out of control in the Northern Territory and there was also a break out of Tuberculosis, so there were mass culls put in place by the government. Some meat farms still thrived, but as they collapsed the buffalo were left to roam once again and this, mixed with the wild ones that remained, as they do have a huge range, the herd has recovered very well.

Now the buff, although still culled in certain areas, are seen as a valuable resource and are managed for hunting purposes in the main, though most station owners still give them a touch up as they compete for food and damage land and fencing.

The Northern Territory has also the only huntable population Banteng in the world and these hunts are quite expensive due to their rarity, but they are in an area near where Pat first went and there are also buff and heaps of pigs available on these hunts too. This would be a true wilderness adventure in the area known as Coburg Peninsula. A few guides operate Banteng hunts. By the way, there are tonnes of camels to hunt as well in the interior part of the state

From: Txnrog
22-Jul-10
Pat, Any conversations with Mick on minimums for trad gear? I think it would be an awesome hunt to do to try to go after one with trad and one with conventional gear.

When I was a kid coming out of college, I had a bit of starter $ saved up. Had big dreams of doing a round-the-world DIY hunt hitting NZ, Aus, and RSA, job offers and the like got in the way, but did a fair amount of research on the regs and whatnot - would've been a doable adventure moreso if not concerned about importing the trophies. . .

From: Bigpizzaman
23-Jul-10
Way to go guys! Pat Jr. is going to effect the pork market down under, sell your futures in pork bellies!

From: rooster
23-Jul-10
Nice work on the pigs Jr! What is Patrick's draw length? I ask because on the last boar there looked to be quite a bit of arrow sticking out of the near side yet you could see the exit wound in the off shoulder. MO

From: medicinemann
23-Jul-10
Camel with a bow....now there is something that you don't hear about!!

From: kennelboy
23-Jul-10
Congrats to Pat and Pat Jr. way to go!!!!!!!!!! I have to say this has been very truly enjoyable and exciting to tune into every day. the pictures and video are awsome quality. One of my favorite Semi-Live hunts to follow and read to date. I could only dream of going on a hunt like that, what an awsome opportunity that you will never forget. Thanks again Pat, and best of luck on your last 2 days, Hope you get another big one!!!! be safe and best of luck!!!!

From: Bou'bound
23-Jul-10
how do you keep the meat in the heat?

hats off to Pat Jr. for being honest in his assessment of his interest in trying to take one of those things. a lot of young guys would not have the brains or confidence to make that decision in the field. says a lot about him and his dad.

From: bigpizzaman
23-Jul-10
Biltong? ;)

From: Zbone
23-Jul-10
Great experience to share with your child that will last forever.

Will try again – Anyone know what are “trooper shafts”?

Thanx

From: TJS
23-Jul-10
Thanks Pat. Great experiencing to some degree your time spent with your son. Sure helps to remember and cherish similar times with my son, and of course, plan for more.

Good shooting.

Nice to hear there is still a place in the world that is sportsman friendly with some sanity to their game laws and regulations.

From: cazador
23-Jul-10
I don't think any of the meat is used. I know a few guys that went down and none of it was salvaged. To each is own I suppose. That would be hard for me to get around.

23-Jul-10
TJS - there are those (most of whom are greatly uneducated about hunting) who would like to see the end to our great past-time here, just like over there in the US.

But to strengthen our claim to hunt the level headed support of bowhunters from places like the US that are going to help us keep hunting strong in Aust.

Hunts documented such as this one are a great way of highlighting the right ways in which bowhunting is carried out :)

24-Jul-10
Congratulations Pat and Pat Jr. on some awesome trophies! The pictures alone were worth every penny and hour spent travelling! I can't imagine what it must have been like to be there and experience it (well, except for the leaches...I got the willy's just looking at the pictures of them on your legs).

Pat Jr- I wish most adults were as level headed as you are young man. Your parents must be proud. Congratulations again!

-Cheryl n Matt

From: Gaur
24-Jul-10
thanks for taking us along Pat. I'd like to head down there and hunt sometime. Great videos and pictures. Good shooting Pat Jr (and Pat Sr too).

From: RK
24-Jul-10
antarcher

I think it would be helpful if you could break down the costs associated with this hunt. Possilby commenting on in country flights, costs and the cost of various services associated with this hunt.

Very cool hunt and excellent coverage by Pat on what they experienced during their adventure.

One of the best yet. Thanks for sharing

From: antarcher
25-Jul-10
Not a problem RK. I cannot give exact figures on what the hunt costs as I am not sure, but most buff outfitters are charging somewhere between 4 and 6 grand Australian dollars and this would include everything once you hit the ground in Darwin. I did speak to one guy who is going to start them at a cheaper rate 2 on 1.

Logistically these are big hunts and they are conducted in vast wilderness and mostly run over 10 days. To get yourself there in your own car from a southern state would already get you into a couple of thousand dollars, and then you need to get access which is very hard, so the guided option is quite good. Also having all the gear to be comfortable and be able to survive out in that remoteness is another big cost.

In country flights would cost between 4 and 600 dollars Australian, return, and there are always specials on in this department. Most American's that I know that have come have booked themselves a combination ticket from the states with all connecting flights already organised. This is a smart option as this will allow you to carry your full international compliment of luggage with you wherever you go without paying excess. The only issue though is that you are locked in and to change anything form your itinerary would cast a heap. Just ask Pat as he dearly wanted to come earlier but the conversion cost was massive.

Another note is that flights to remote areas, if a guide is not driving you, are lightweight affairs and it would be best to check with your guide before leaving in this regard.

One other that you would be crazy to not do is to go fishing in northern half of the country. It has truly some of the best fishing you can ever hope for. I do know that Mick from, Trophy Bowhunts, is now looking at providing 3 day house boat trip's at the end of the buff hunts and this would be a very sweet time indeed.

There are several Buff guides and only a couple who have access to Banteng and these hunts, due to their rarity do get up there in price. They are usually buff/banteng/pig combos.

Most guides do not charge any extra for shooting pigs on any hunt and this is a cool thing as some places are crawling with them.

Must do trips to Oz usually include either the going to the Northern Territory as Pat did, or to go to Cape York for awesome wild toothy boars and Barramundi fishing. These are two pilgrimages that most Aussie bowhunters make at least once in their lives.

There are also 6 deer species out here that are awesome to hunt and guiding operations can cater for most species. As I have stated before, I would be more than happy to help anybody with any specific information they are after and also to put them in contact with the appropriate connections.

25-Jul-10
Great hunt Pat and Pat! Many more! Charlie

From: medicinemann
25-Jul-10
I am disappointed to see this daily feature come to an end. Looks like a GREAT adventure.

From: RK
25-Jul-10
This was an incredible adventure. One to be remembered for ever.

Antarcher. The fishing sounds great. One of my must do list is to fish for Marlin in Austrailia. Combining it with a hunt would be even better. I know it is not the best time for the "bite" but what are those options during a hunt like this.

Also, when Pat was hunting there were some burns going on, by the aborigines I think. Question, the meat is an issue here due to cold storage. I understand that this basically is a cull hunt for non native game. The question is do the aboringines not want the meaat? The native population in Africa kills for that stuff and I was wondering why the native people do not do the same in Australia.

I would also like to know the relationship between the sport hunter and the native population in that area.

I appreciate the wealth of knowledge that you bring to the subject.

From: Clutch
25-Jul-10
After this adventure, looks like Australia will be on my bucket list-- congrats guys

26-Jul-10
RK - We don't consider our hunts over here as purely 'cull hunts' Sure all our game animals are 'introduced species', but we highly prize the game animals we have

From: antarcher
26-Jul-10
Here is more info for you RK. The best big Marlin fishing, as in Hemmingway big (1000lbs+), is off Cairns in North Queensland. This is away from the buff areas, though you can fly from anywhere in Oz to Cairns. The season runs around September/October and this would run in conjunction with the buff hunts, as it is the dry season.

Marlin fishing can be pretty hot up and down the eastern seaboard, Queensland right down the southern NSW, but this in summer and it is the wet in the tropics at that time and access is impossible. Good spots on the east coast are around the Gold Coast, Coffs Harbour, Port Stephens, South West Rocks, Jervis Bay and Bermagui, just out of interest.

In the Northern Territory and north Western Australia there is awesome fishing to be had and there are some great sailfish fisheries around if that takes your fancy. There are also pleny of top fishing guides in NT itself.

The burns were happening all over the top end and this is done each year and in some areas it is very well coordinated. I remember very well driving out to camp and seeing nothing but small spot fires burning away in the darkness, it was like you were driving through space, very surreal. Pat and junior Pat missed it as they were out due to jet lag, so I was glad to hear they got to see it as there is no other light out there what so ever.

Meat time: Logistically it is a nightmare out there in terms keeping meat cool. You are seriously hundred's, if not getting over a thousand kilometer's, from the nearest towns. A big beast like a buffalo would be impossible to keep cool as the temp's up there hardly ever get below 30degC. There have been buffalo farms in the past and these were setup with abbotoirs and the like and chiller trucks would come and get them. In the wilderness though you can forget it.

Usually most hunts will take a young animal, usually a bull, to eat and these are given to the aboriginals. I have been told that the locals will not take off you, or eat, a mature bull or cow as they say it is very, very tough and not very tasty.

One big thing here in Australia that is different to the States is that all of our hunted game are introduced species. The agenda of many a government is extermination, so people see it as though you are doing the country a favour by taking out these beasts, especially the pigs as they are nigh on impossible to control and do a lot of damage. In the national parks in the Territory, helicopter culls are conducted in order to keep numbers in check. Some people call our game feral, but like to stick to the word game, as that is what they are.

Australia does not have a single hard hoofed native animal, so our plant life has adapted to this and the hard hoofs of ungulates and the like do affect their growth. Still some of these animal's have been here for over 150 years, so I like to think the introduced animal's are earning their place and everything is adapting.

The native population and the sport hunter is a quiet relationship where they never really bother each other. Access is almost always gained on a who you know basis and recommendations are a must. They do get trophy fees, when it is a paid hunt, and things in this department are changing as the commodity value of the game is becoming a valuable income. Some outfits in certain areas insist on having Aborignal's along as guides, like in Africa. This is becoming a rule in many areas.

The top end of Oz is a true wilderness adventure and going by Pat's excellent recount I am sure you can appreciate it for what it was. I am hanging to get back there myself

From: DonSchultz
26-Jul-10
This whole adventure looks much more attractive to me than the Africa trips. The "attitude" displayed by the buffs and the scrub bulls is apparent.

Throw in the hogs, crocs, and dingos and you've got plenty of "pucker factor" without having to worry about black mambas.

I also like the reasonable trophy fees, and not having to worry about all kinds of gov't red tape.

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26-Jul-10

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From: RK
26-Jul-10
BigGameHunter. Sorry, did not intend for it to sound like I was bashing your hunting. In fact you guys do live in OZ. Really cool stuff. I just worded it wrong.

Antarcher

Great information, thank you. I knew about the Black Marlin in Cairns. That has always been one of my goals to go there and fish for those huge blacks and even the scores of little ones.

I appreciated the great rundown of some of the things to do.

Pat did an excellent job on his report and it really sounds like he and Pat Jr. had a wonderful and exciting trip. Reading it just took me to wondering about other things and you did a great job filling in some details.

Certainly a trip worth taking for anybody.

Thanks again.

26-Jul-10
RK - no mate,no offence at all takn, wasn't trying to sound that way at all. just stating how important these animals are to us :)

there is some fantastic deer hunting here that really should not be overlooked that provide totally free range/wild opportunities on deer species that from what I can tell are classed as 'exotic' over there in the US :)

From: RK
26-Jul-10
BGH

They should be important to you. Actually you have an almost overlooked treasure there in OZ. Only been there once, and on tour with the wife and stuff. Never got to do the outback stuff (that is probably a wrong term) but always wanted to.

Just seeings some of what Pat saw would be incredible with or without the hunting part.

Yep, all those deer are classified as exotics over here. On large enough ranches they are a challenge, well not the park deer (fallow) but the chital are. Nothing replaces free range for a true hunt though.

OZ is on the to do list, but I must admit I would start with the Black Marlin and work my way to the hunting. Wife and I have caught blacks but no real big ones, 250lbs, a grander would be fun even if it beat either of us.

From: antarcher
27-Jul-10
I have a friend who does marlin charters and is one of the best young skippers up there. Can get you in contact with him if you like. pm is your friend

From: Eddiebobeddy
27-Jul-10
Awesome hunt. That hunt looked like an absolute blast. That said I also realize you all made it look easy. I'm sad the thread is over. Great job and hunt and thanks for sharing.

From: troymclellan
02-Aug-10
Congrats on the bull Pat he is a cracker. That was the fastest I've seen anyone drop one of these brutes. They can certainly carry a good shot well but when hit perfectly like that don't get too far. Shane told me you guys had a great time and your young bloke was a pleasure to have along. The only downside to hunting the Northern Territory is having to go home. It's like a hangover after a party. Thanks for sharing your videos and story. Troy

From: Bowbender
13-Aug-10
Congrats on the awesome bull Pat. Judging on the photos posted, you and your son had a really memorable experience. I also have a question which I hope antarcher would be able to answer. In the near future I will (hopefully) visit AU to do a little bowhunting of my own, probably without a guide. The only thing preventing me from doing this is my shoulder needing an operation - I fear I won't be able to use my good old Mathews, but a crossbow. Now as far as I know X-bows are a major no-no in N.S.W, Queensland, Tasmania and Victoria while the Northern Territory and South Australia permit them. On the other hand I heard that there are some restrictions on using them for hunting. Could you please give some info on that?

From: mn_archer
13-Aug-10
That was awesome! I follow along on all these hunts, but really have no desire at all to go to Africa. This hunt looked like a blast though! Might have to put it on the list.

Jr's hunts were awesome too, and he sounds like a kid with a good head atop his shoulders. I say put his first hog video in place of the whitetail that has been killed 2.345 million times ont he homepage! lol

Thanks!

michael

From: fuzzy
13-Aug-10
amazing trip! :-)

I am very proud of Pat Jr making the tough call.

Shows sense, and maturity. He's a great kid and an awesome hunter!

From: antarcher
13-Aug-10
G'day Bowbender. You are correct on your information in regards to carrying a crossbow in Northern Territory. You are free to carry and use one for hunting as long as you are over 18 years of age. In South Australia you can use one also and the only proviso is that you have a lawful reason for carrying one, of which hunting is one. You can apply for a permit to carry one in Victoria, but NSW is the toughest of the lot. In Queensland you have to apply for one also, but you can hunt if you have the permit. Forget Tasmania as a bowhunting destination as it is the greenest state in Oz and it will be a long battle before bows get reinstated there.

23-Aug-10
Sorry folks I have been flat out doing safaris and have only got a couple of days home so I thought I had better follow up on some questions.

Firstly a huge thanks to Pat & Pat Jr for coming downunder and sampling some of our Hunting and fishing. I was very impressed with your dedication to the sport and the lenghts you guys go to give your readers the full story. A true pleasure.

Thanks to Antonio for helping me out by answering some of your questions. We just got back from a Cape York Hog hunt and Ant will be doing up a story for everybody.

I see a few guys want to know the costs for a Buff Hunt so I will fill you in.

Basic Hunt: 6 Full Days Hunting 2011 $5500 2012 onwards $6000 plus Trophy Fees:-

Hunt includes internal Airfares from Darwin to Hunting Area by Jet. All food and drink included plus Bush Camp as described by Pat (There will be 2 Camps) No Alcohol due to being restricted Area.

Trophy Fees: Buff to 85SCI $500 86 to 99SCI $750 100+ $1000 Scrub Bulls $400 Caping Fee (If Required $200) Full shoulder Mounts approx $2000 including packaging ready for shipment.

Shipping unknown until final weight known. Would expect to your door approx $600 to $1000. All prices US.

I can add a 3 day Houseboat for some great fishing at the end of the hunt for an extra $1000.

2 hunters and 2 guides...If you require a specialised trip please send an e-mail and I can give you a price.

Hope this helps

Cheers Mick Trophy Bowhunts Australia

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