ODFW, Turn in Poacher, Get Preference Pt
General Topic
Now here’s a plan. Read down below about the 6 year study on deer poaching. More are killed illegally than legally.
Cool. I just need to catch and turn in like 25 Oregon poachers.
A six year study found that illegal take exceeded legal take of mule deer in South Central Oregon?
Sounds like a great deal. Get a dirtbag out of the woods and get 4 or 5 points to split up among species. I like it.
That’s pretty hard to believe in today’s world - poachers killing more than legal hunters! Wow!
Too bad sheep don’t have preference points in Oregon. Would be out there hunting poachers every year for any kind of preference in that draw for sure!
It sounds like they are pointing the finger at poachers for the decline of our big game in recent years. I don’t know of any or known of any poachers in all my years of being in the woods. All I have met are good sportsmen, wanting to follow the rules, and have a good time afield. I am sure there are some out there (obviously) but doubt the deer/elk numbers are in decline because of poor actions of a few. Should we make sure to prosecute illegal taking of game... absolutely. Maybe we could put a bounty on cougars and wolves. Don’t know if 6500 cougars in Oregon alone that kill about 50 deer a week each may have an impact not to mention the introduction of wolves on top of that.
WOW....get a preference point to become a snitch. How low can it get. I don`t need a hunt that bad. Only on the left coast can this be a reality.
Providing incentive to protect a communal resource (which frankly folks should do without the expectation of compensation). Are people really criticizing this?
Good idea. Poachers (and trespassers) need to be prosecuted. I do not however need an incentive to turn them in, comes naturally. Private landowners should invest in security cameras and drones, great tools to help catch the bad guys.
I guess you can call me a snitch but I have TIP on speed dial and have used it a time or 2.
This isn't snitching like you're in high school on one of your buddies drinking, this is a valuable resource that now someone else won't have the pleasure of hunting. As a community we view poachers as the lowest of the low, I've never had to use the tip line but I wouldn't hesitate a second to turn someone in. How could anyone seriously find this program as a negative (I can at least hear the argument of false-prosecution, but if you didn't do anything wrong it shouldn't be a problem)?
So some A$%hole can poach deer, elk, sheep or whatever and it's not ok to turn them in because you're a "snitch"? One of the dumbest comments I've ever seen on Bowsite.
Unfortunately there are likely trespassers and poachers right here on this forum. Guys can get really stupid come hunting season.
I have heard the claim before that poachers kill as many deer as legal hunters per year. Most often, a further explanation is that, poachers kill as many Trophy BUCK Deer as legal hunters do. Horn porn, bragging rights seem to push some over the cliff of illegal take. Too bad.
According to Oregon's hunt harvest stats in 2017, hunters killed 26,000 bucks. my best, Paul
These type of individuals keep some of us employed.
'get a preference point to become a snitch. How low can it get. I don`t need a hunt that bad. Only on the left coast can this be a reality'. I guess in the mid west you'd let 'em come into your pasture at night and steal your cows, or spotlight and kill deer in your pastures? It's not snitching if you are trying to bust someone for illegally taking what is a public resource.
"WOW....get a preference point to become a snitch. How low can it get" WOW, Franklin, I'm thinking you don't understand the concept of the exercise! I also have heard, from a very credible resource, that the number of poached animals here in CO approaches the number of legally-taken ones. I'm glad Oregon is trying to be more proactive in catching poachers.
A guide friend in central Oregon had a property that was constantly hit by poachers. My friend was there to verify his claim. It was an Alfalfa field and on the back side were skeletons ofdeer and elk with the heads missing. They were apparently spot lighting at night with a .22. They found a large bull still alive that had been shot with a .22 tangled up in a fence. We’ve had the same type of poachers here. One bust found two guys with close to 150 deer racks poached. They were having a contest to see who could kill the biggest and most heads.
Paul, The story said that the study showed that the poachers often killed does, not bucks, so I'm not sure horn porn can be the main culprit here, although it's probably some of it.
Call me a snitch then, I'll turn any poacher in all day long. How could any respectable hunter not? Do you value what you hunt? I do agree an incentive shouldnt be needed but if it helps I'm for it
Man if they did this in Montana I could hunt anywhere in that state. Our place on the Missouri River is a haven for trespassers and poachers
If they had had and gave Preference points in NY all you'd have to do is drive around the day after the opening of the gun seaon and report every deer you see hanging.....most have the hunters wifes tags on it. " yea she shot it yesterday and drove back to Brooklyn "
I can appreciate the intent of the new program but I wonder if they've really thought through it and considered the unintended consequences.
Could bring back Bounty Hunters to the old west again. I can see a few folks coveting preference points to the point of misbehavior in pursuing poachers. Could lead to violent encounters or framing of innocent people.
Poachers are stealing from everyone. I cant believe one would say they would rather not be a "snitch" than to turn someone in......
Franklin, are you serious?
If guilty, put them on the 3:10 to Yuma.
Do you people have any respect for yourselves as men....I guess you were the ones that told mommy little Jimmy was calling you names when you were a kid....lol. Where I come from there isn`t much of a difference from a snitch and a poacher.
It takes a man to do the right thing Franklin, poachers are stealing the resource from us and our children. I guess that's ok with you...
Ohhh please with that nonsense....it`s the government agencies asking you to do their job for them and you fall for it. Like I said...."only on the left coast".
I'm from the midwest and have our T.I.P. (Turn in a Poacher) hotline on speed dial. Indiana has hundreds of thousands of hunters and only 214 conservation officers statewide. Pretty obvious which group is more likely to catch poachers in the act.
So some A$%hole can poach deer, elk, sheep or whatever and it's not ok to turn them in because you're a "snitch"? One of the dumbest comments I've ever seen on Bowsite.
Amen!
This seems like a plan that could turn sour real fast.
One day you come home from work and you find your wife and kids looking at the smoldering ruins that was once your home. You explain to your wife and kids what you did.....your wife kicks you in the nuts so hard, wax blows out of your ears. While your writhing in pain on the ground, your kids come up and give you a few more shots. And your response is....."But, but honey....I got a preference point"!
Franklin's got it. Snitches get stitches... or worse.
Where I live, that's become an important credo. See someone get beat down? You didn't see anything. See an old lady get robbed by some punks? Look the other way. See some guys breaking into your neighbor's house? Just be glad it's not yours. Guy beating his girlfriend in the street? Shut up.
It's one of the aspects of areas of Chicago that's helped turn this city into a utopia.
That`s part of the point too....where is the government to protect you when you do them a favor??? NO WHERE. You stick your neck out and then you`re left high and dry.
As we have seen clearly this past month with the Kavanaugh hearings....false accusations can ruin people`s lives.
How many on this post know of a poacher....have reported a poacher??? In 50 years of hunting I have NEVER known of a poacher....seen a poacher or even heard of a poacher. The only people I`ve seen breaking the hunting rules are the ones holding the licenses. The stats cited in this thread are pure BS....this is only meant to deputize the public so they don`t have to enforce the laws themselves. Government at it`s finest.
Franklin - My post was sardonic humor.
"Not my job", failing to recognize that we all have collective responsibilities is a big part of the problem.
Standing up to d-bags is part of the ticket or tag.
I am Spartacus!
^^^^^^^^^ That's also humor. ( For the chuckle impaired )
If some of the people commenting have never known or seen someone to break the law in decades of hunting you are either running in some very, very small circles or are intentionally not looking for violations. Wildlife crime is rampant.
So as far a Franklin is concerned if someone stole from him he's not going to call the cops and report it because he would be a snitch. LMAO!
To what degree? Breaking a law, or breaking the spirit of the law?
Picked up a buddy in the evening after a hunt. He set his bow on the back seat. It was uncased. That was against the law. Could have made him walk. Could have turned him in. He wasn't poaching. He wasn't looking for an opportunity to poach. I just gave him a ride.
I'm guilty of nocking an arrow on my hanging bow when I get into my stand before light. I've had good deer move through just prior to legal shooting time. I didn't shoot any of them.
When back tags were required in WI, there were times that the back tags were on our backpacks and not on our backs or on our backs, under our backpacks.
I've seen a friend lean a gun with rounds in the magazine against a truck while taking off his pack in WI during gun season.
All technical violations, but not poaching. I have not seen someone that I know kill a deer or any game animal out of season or without a tag.
The OP specifically posted information relating to poaching, not having a tail light out.
I like the idea. And, it plainly states by simply reporting, you are not entitled to points. That has discretion attached. I wander how they know the poaching take is greater then the legal take? That is statistics at work and about as credible as the average liberal partisan. I do think it is a great incentive though. But, it will have no effect on guilt or lack of it. So, let it role and see how it goes
I also understand Franklin's point about people getting even too. But, that goes about as far with me as poaching. I don't fear them or what they might do. When faced with that, I have suggested they had better think about what I'm going to do in return. It keeps everyone honest. And, I suspect the common knowledge that most will share that view, will keep the "spiteful and untrue" reports to a minimum as well.
Do u get the points if u turn yourself in?
I was responding to TheTone
I also live in Wisconsin. Caught and turned in a poacher on our property last rifle season. Poaching around our area is a terrible problem. Our old game warden who was a freind of our fathers and what game wardenss should be told us. You would have way bigger bucks and more deer if not for the poaching. Can't catch most of them. They busted a ten + person poaching ring in our area this past summer. I've been in professions my entire life where I and my family get threatened. I and my family all have conceal carry. We're fine.
I used to call these guys friends until I found out what they were doing.
Plenty of other guys knew what they were doing, too, but didn't have the balls or didn't care enough about the resource to do anything about it.
Link...
Their elk unit of choice was GMU61.
Franklin - "How many on this post know of a poacher....have reported a poacher???"
Once turned in a poacher and got a conviction without leaving my house. My 15 year old son was bowhunting across the road from our house one evening after school....10 minute walk from home. I heard the shots, but had no idea what happened until my son walked through the door. He was set up on the ground along a fence line in a natural blind watching a group of does and fawns feeding in the soybeans...hoping for a shot opportunity. When the shooting started, he heard bullets whizzing past him and two of the deer dropped in their tracks.
He hightailed it home and told me what happened. I called the C.O. and reported it. They caught the idiot with the rifle and both deer in his truck. He was using a rifle (an illegal deer hunting weapon in this state at the time)....during an archery only season and didn't even have a hunting license or deer tag. Not to mention the freaking moron could have easily killed my son.
If that makes me a snitch in your eyes....I could give a rat's a$$! You want to stick your head in the sand out of fear...that's YOUR problem.
Aside from figuring out Franklin listens to gangster rap, what have we learned here?
And a tear drop tattoo on his cheek.
Every time someone shoots a nice buck the poaching rumors start. Imagine if hunters not only get the thrill of ripping someone else down but have a chance at personal gain too! What could possibly go wrong?
Its funny you think telling your mother someone is calling you names, and turning in a poacher is the same thing......
