Seriously: how many of you guys would even bother with archery if you were limited to equipment where you knew that anything past about 20-25 yards was realistically out of your effective range? And what percentage do you suppose for not just the Hardcore Elite who hang out here, but what about Joe Average?
So what’s the difference between a Compound and a e-bike???
JMO, a lot of times with stuff like this it comes down to Just One Thing, and that is whether you are already using (or interested in using) the technology in question.
So next time you get bent out of shape because some Old Guy says he misses the quiet, low-pressure hunting experience that was easy to find before high-tech archery caught on, maybe you oughtta just stop and think about how you feel toward e-bikes or trail cams or drone video or a bow sight with built-in laser rangefinder capability or crossbows or thousand-yard riflery or whateverthehell “advancement” you think is taking it all a step too far.
Everybody understands that a line needs to be drawn SOMEWHERE, but where it needs to be almost always depends one where people stand to begin with. Seems like everybody is OK with drawing the line just about at the end of his own toes.
I don’t have all the answers, but I’ll offer one prediction and one guarantee:
I will predict that if CO permits e-bikes to do anything not currently allowed for motorized vehicles, Archery Season is headed for a lottery system.
And I will GUARANTEE you that if they were to ban compounds from the existing archery season, there would be no discussion of limiting tags whatsoever.
That does kind of make me wonder, though… I wonder how many compound shooters are in favor of the ban on sabots, pelletized powders and scoped muzzleloaders during the ML season?
answer? it's just you, or your punctuation creates the inability to convey a message
do you wear boots?
ironic
I dare say that depends a whole helluvalot on where you hunt.
JMO.... It’s only a bad analogy if you weren’t Bowhunting before Compounds made it “accessible” to many times more people than had been participating when it was all Stickbows by default.
I dare say that depends a whole helluvalot on where you hunt.
JMO.... It’s only a bad analogy if you weren’t Bowhunting before Compounds made it “accessible” to many times more people than had been participating when it was all Stickbows by default.
So we should be uniting.... as long as we don't do it in such a way that it costs YOU anything... but who gives a rip if a bunch of cranky Old Dudes say that the whole experience of Bowhunting is nothing like it used to be....
LOL... I’ll just say that the equipment has improved a lot faster than the arguments for saying that it doesn’t make any difference....
I would love an e-bike, but am waiting until the tech improves and becomes slightly more affordable. I also cannot foresee an instance to use one out west in public ground. I already have one of the hated side by sides for that
Yes, I shoot a compound, slider sight, and release. However, I shoot single bevel two blade broadheads and limit myself whennit comes to how far how I will shoot an animal. Yes, I would love to have an ebike to ride on open trails and roads where allowed. Much quieter and don’t tear up the ground like an atv. Which I have as well. Lol
No bikes are allowed in wilderness areas.
Holler at the kids on your lawn about something else, perhaps something constructive, instead of creating division among bowhunters where there doesn't need to be. I know plenty of guys who hunt with trad bows who don't feel the need to get out and yell at all the compound guys...Maybe because they're too busy hunting and enjoying life?
They may get you to your hunting ground, but they sure don’t release the arrow or bullet.
Transportation is irrelevant.
^...X2...this. If someone wants to get back into some area, they will figure out a way. On top of that, if they are physically challenged and still want to hunt and get back in some remote place...more power to them, I salute them for having that strong desire. If something happens to me physically, I hope I can still hunt and fish where I want, when I want. Otherwise, IMO life would be boring.
What about when their “physical challenge” is being a lardass.... by choice?
What if the way into the backcountry that they’ve chosen I’d illegal? What if their desire to get back there only became strong enough to move them to act on their desire once action became easy enough to suit their level?
So OK, let’s throw e-bikes out of the conversation and replace that thought with a scoped crossbow and an integrated rangefinder/laser sight that paints a red dot on your mark out to a quarter mile.
You guys think I’m so “bitter”; that’s just a convenient excuse for not being willing to consider how your actions (and the applicable legislation) might affect people who don’t want what you want. But you have no clue how quiet the woods were before Bowhunting got easy enough that you decided to try it.
You think equipment other than the bow itself has no impact on hunter density? Two words: Laser Rangefinder.
How many guys who believe themselves capable of taking shots over 40 yards actually hunt without a laser?
About 25 years ago, Randy Ulmer was asked what he thought was the max Ethical range for a Compound, and you know what he said? 35 yards.
And there were a LOT fewer hunters in the woods....
Same story with let-off and legalization of releases and tree stands. The easier it got, the more people wanted in. Now Colorado is talking about reducing archery tags and everybody here thinks it’s a travesty and wants to blame it on anybody and everybody else but the guy in the mirror.
Tell me....when you’re thinking, does it sound like a bubble machine?
How many trad guys believe themselves capable of taking shots over 10yds and also hunt without a rangefinder?
And I don’t like things now compared to the way they used to be. All this progress — phooey! In my day, we didn’t have these cash machines that would give you money when you needed it. There was only one bank in each state — it was open only one hour a year. And you’d get in line, seventeen miles long, and the line became an angry mob of people– fornicators and thieves, mutant children and circus freaks — and you waited for years and by the time you got to the teller, you were senile and arthritic andyou couldn’t remember your own name. You were born, got in line, and ya died! And that’s the way it was and we liked it!
Life was simpler then. There wasn’t all this concern about hy-giene! It my days, we didn’t have Kleenex. When you turned seventeen, you were given the family handkerchief. … It hadn’t been washed in generations and it stood on its own …filled with diseases and swarmin’ with flies. … If you tried to blow your nose, you’d get an infection and your head would swell up and turn green and children would burst into tears at the sight o’ ya! And that’s the way it was and we liked it!
Life was a carnival! We entertained ourselves! We didn’t need moooovin’ pitchurrrres. In my day, there was only one show in town — it was called "Stare at the sun!” … That’s right! You’d sit in the middle of an open field and stare up at the sun till your eyeballs burst into flames! And you thought, “Oh,no! Maybe I shouldn’t’ve stared directly into the burning sun with my eyes wide open.” But it was too late! Your head was on fire and people were roastin’ chickens over it. … And that’s the way it was and we liked it!
I upgraded my backpack a few years ago. I don't think it made a difference in my chances to kill an animal. It's more comfortable packing them out though.
I don't have $400 boots, but they aren't $50 boots either. They're the boots that work for my feet. Since my feet are my ATV, if the only boots that worked were more expensive, I'd buy them.
We use mountain bikes in legal areas to cover some more ground. It's another kind of fun. If an e-bike is legal, I don't care if someone uses one.
People crashing in on your set-up... standing in the middle of a park at dawn... upwind... That can irk me. We just move on.
But I'm just another compound shooting schmuck with a rangefinder.
Matt
I guess I can’t get on that train. I wish there were MORE hunters and archers. That’s the only way our pastime won’t die with us
Which begs a new (Government Grant) study...... is it really an affliction or can you just simply wake up (woke?) one morning and identify as Curmudgeon?
I’m OK with more hunters in general; but let’s back up for a minute…
Archery seasons were set up as a set-aside, with the expectation that total harvest would be inconsequential, but CO (at least) had the sense to structure it as an either-or proposition.
And the difficulty of scoring with archery gear kept participation low, which was Good because low pressure sure helps a bowhunter, and popularity of the season + easier access to backcountry inevitably increase pressure.
It would be one thing if the equipment were still exactly what everyone had in mind back when the season was created , but the Archery Arms Race was never envisioned back when the season was created as an opportunity for a bunch of Retro types to go enjoy their exercise in self-flagellation....
Therefore a device that gets you further faster and also leaves you with more energy when you get there has absolutely nothing to do with what kind of weapon or other technological gadget you are carrying.
Hike 8 miles and pick up substantial elevation and you will also have physical limitations that you wouldn’t have to overcome had a motor propelled you to your destination.
Last.... some, not all but some people who get things handed to them lack appreciation. I have seen the difference in attitude from SOME motorized travelers in the amount of litter they leave behind. Most.... not all but most back packers have more of a pack it in pack it out mentality.
But I’ll repeat myself from the other thread “It’s freakin motorized so should be governed by motorized regs!” Period.
Carry on......
Maybe they should have a ski lift going to the top of Mount Everest so we can all say we have what it takes to summit the peak. Lol
I don’t care if the Johnny-come-latelies fill their tags or not - as long as they’re not losing wounded animals. I’m more concerned about the pressure they’ll bring to the drainage.
And if you are hunting "difficult back-country" and there is a guy with an e-bike there, you are not in as difficult area as you claim because contrary to what some believe they will not go up a 20 degree shale slide. :)
