Gas Prices Rising
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From: JL
26-Jan-21

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Community service post. If you're planning a fish or hunt trip in the near future, gas prices are rising. The below was posted by Gas Buddy yesterday.

I did some quick gozintas as I was planning a trip to Montana around July. It's approx 2400 miles out there and back only. I estimated conservatively 20 mpg's on the F150......120 gallons of gas. I noticed gas prices here (North MI) shot up to $2.45 today. I used that price and estimated that is $294 RT for the drive. If the gas prices keep climbing to $2.75 when I go, that's $330 RT.....an extra $36 cost to factor into the trip. For comparison, when the prices were $2.00 a gallon, that would be $240 RT (a savings of $54 or $90).

If you truck gets 15 mpg....that's 160 gals of gas. That puts ya at $392 RT at $2.45 and $440 at $2.75. $2.00 would have put ya at $320 RT. Of course once ya get to your destination, you'll have to factor that gas usage into the cost of your trip. Hopefully this is a temporary rise and the gas prices will drop back down as supplies increase.....hopefully.

""Gas Price Increases Slow As Gasoline Demand Rises to Highest Since November By GasBuddy | January 25, 2021

$2.40 today according to GasBuddy data compiled from more than 11 million individual price reports covering over 150,000 gas stations across the country. The national average price of diesel has risen 1.7 cents in the last week and stands at $2.63 per gallon.

“Finally, after several weeks of sharply rising gas prices, the pace of price increases has slowed significantly in recent days as prices are now largely caught up to oil’s increases as of late,” said Patrick De Haan, head of petroleum analysis for GasBuddy. “While the national average remains at its highest level since the pandemic, increases are likely to slow down in the immediate short-term unless and until oil prices see renewed momentum. When it comes to demand, Pay with GasBuddy data showed last week’s gasoline demand at its highest level since November, another bullish factor as the nation continues to see slow improvement from the pandemic.”

Crude oil prices opened the new week giving up some of last week’s gains, with West Texas Intermediate crude oil off 14 cents to $52.13 per barrel, just below its week ago level of $52.29. Brent crude oil, meanwhile, was down 11 cents in early trade at $55.31, just above its week ago level of $54.98 per barrel. Oil prices were little changed as the market waits for signs of any new trends to take oil to new highs. COVID-19 continues to be the powerhouse behind price movements, with mixed news over the weekend as President Biden seeks to limit air travel between countries seeing new COVID strains, but with several vaccine-makers now targeting these new strains.

Last week’s petroleum report from the Energy Information Administration highlighted a 4.4 million barrel rise in crude oil inventories, while gasoline inventories dipped 300,000 barrels and distillate inventories tacked on 500,000 barrels. The more jarring figure was implied gasoline demand, which jumped nearly 600,000 barrels to 8.11 million barrels, suggesting gasoline demand is defying typical seasonal weakness. Pay with GasBuddy data aligned with the EIA, albeit showing a smaller rise of 200,000 barrels per day. A fresh GasBuddy report also added weight to rising demand, showing last week’s gasoline demand climbed to its highest level since November, likely as states begin to slowly reopen as COVID cases begin to level off and drop.

At gas pumps, it was a mixed bag, with just over half of the nation’s 50 states seeing prices rise, while a third saw prices stabilize or fall slightly.

GAS PRICE TRENDS

The most common U.S. gas price encountered by motorists was up 10 cents to $2.39 per gallon, followed by $2.19, $2.29 and $2.09. The average cost at the priciest 10% of stations stands at $3.18 per gallon, down 8 cents from a week ago, while the lowest 10% average $2.00 per gallon, unchanged from a week ago. The median U.S. price is $2.29 per gallon, unchanged from last week and about 11 cents lower than the national average. The states with the lowest average prices: Oklahoma ($2.07), Mississippi ($2.08) and Texas ($2.08), while the highest priced states were California ($3.36), Hawaii ($3.27) and Washington ($2.80).""

From: drycreek
26-Jan-21
You ain’t seen nothing yet. You ever seen a liberal administration that didn’t like high gas prices ? It helps the perception that big oil is bad and green is the path to salvation !

From: bigswivle
26-Jan-21
I wonder why?

From: smarba
26-Jan-21
I agree with drycreek. In the near future anything below $3 we're going to think was cheap...

26-Jan-21
Many here voted for higher consumer prices and taxes.

From: jdee
26-Jan-21
When the idiot in the White House campaigns on shutting down gas and oil I’m sure gas is going to skyrocket.

From: bigdog21
26-Jan-21
IL 38.7 cents per gal. tax

From: JL
26-Jan-21

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Here's the 2020 gas tax rates by state. I see many states tax diesel higher than gasoline.

Fuel makes up a fair amount of the travel budget if you're going on a hunting, fishing or camping trip. If you're towing.....it will run up your budget....Capt Obvious.

From: gobbler
26-Jan-21
It isn’t any surprise. When someone runs on ending fossil fuels and gets elected it shouldn’t be a shock when they start doing it .

The new Secretary of Transportation is already planning to increase federal fuel tax .

Here’s my question . Federal and State fuel taxes is what funds highway construction and upkeep . With the plan to switch to electric vehicles where is highway funding going to come from? That should concern everyone. No doubt it will increase fuel taxes , will it also increase your electric Bill or will they just increase local, state, and Federal taxes to pay for it ? It’s got to come from somewhere

26-Jan-21
And, taxes will not come from those who refuse to get jobs.

From: Woods Walker
26-Jan-21
Like I said before....Democrats are in control, welcome to hell. And these are the good old days compared to what's coming.

26-Jan-21
Biden ran on increasing regulations, increasing taxes, and decreasing the production of cheaper fuels. All while expanding the government and its payroll, and increasing government subsidies. You bet those who have a job will pay for the increases.

From: keepemsharp
26-Jan-21
AND: OBiden stopped the pipeline to Texas. Put thousands out of work and forced trans to truck and rail? Within 2 days after taking office. Don't look good for normal folks in fly-over.

From: Woods Walker
26-Jan-21
Nope, it don't. One day people will wake up and realize that despite the hogwash they spew, the reality is they HATE US.....if you judge that by their actions.

26-Jan-21
Hopefully all who voted against us will get out of hunting, they do not belong with us.

From: Brotsky
26-Jan-21
The worst part is when gas is over $4 per gallon this summer everyone, and especially the complicit media, will say it is "increased demand" from the reduction in travel restrictions with the easing pandemic pushing price. 51% of America will buy that at face value without knowing there are many other factors at play including demand.

From: Norseman
26-Jan-21
You don’t think he is getting any contribution money from BNSF, CP or UP now. Ha! What a joke!

From: lewis
26-Jan-21
What about Buffet who owns the rail companies hmmm good luck Lewis

From: Jaquomo
26-Jan-21
Warren loves the pipeline shutdown. He will make billions transporting the oil on his trains.

From: trublucolo
26-Jan-21
"Warren loves the pipeline shutdown. He will make billions transporting the oil on his trains." - And he will continue to donate millions to democrats, just as he did this past cycle.

From: Supernaut
26-Jan-21
Just ordered heating oil for my furnace today. It's been steadily increasing in price every week. I also work in the oil and gas industry. It's going to be a rough time ahead for all of us that work for a living.

From: ben
26-Jan-21
If you remember Obama's Energy secretary got caught saying he was told by O to get the price of gas up to #6 a gallon and he damn near did it parts of the country. Old Joe is hiring many of the old O cronies so it will be more of the same. Joe told you in the campaign he would end fracking and shut down oil production on Federal lands. His handlers told him to back off til he got in so he softened it some. Tell as many lies as necessary to cover the truth. Just wait it will all get worse as time goes on. With 11 million new democrat voters and 2 new democrat states in the union democrats won't loose another Presidential election and always have control of the Senate. Duck because Harris will be President soon!

From: Rupe
26-Jan-21
Noticed that the fools who voted for our National suicide are conspicuously absent.

From: Woods Walker
26-Jan-21
Like I said, they hate us.

From: Dale06
26-Jan-21
Wha t Drycreek said “ you ain’t seen nothing yet”

From: Grey Ghost
26-Jan-21
Umm...the average US retail gasoline price was higher for most of Trump's term than it is today. One year ago the average was $2.59/gal. Today it's $2.47. But don't let that stop your Chicken little wailing.

That's not a promotion of the Blue Team, just facts.

Matt

From: joehunter
26-Jan-21
Look out supper Gretch is going to shut down line 5! Michigan is going to get cold!

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2020/11/13/whitmer-moves-shut-down-enbridges-line-5/6279755002/

From: thedude
26-Jan-21
Maybe fewer people will be in the otc units

From: Bowfreak
26-Jan-21
That's a great stat Matt. Biden has been President for a week. Let's check that same stat in 2 years.

From: Scrappy
26-Jan-21
During the obummer years they learned the fastest way to tank the economy is 4 plus a gallon fuel. They are doing everything they can to get back to that as fast as they can.

From: WYelkhunter
26-Jan-21
Gas was considerably cheaper on average during all of the Trump 4 years than it was during the previous 8

Year Ave $/gal

2000 1.563

2001 1.531

2002 1.441

2003 1.638

2004 1.923

2005 2.338

2006 2.635

2007 2.849

2008 3.317

2009 2.401

2010 2.836

2011 3.577

2012 3.695

2013 3.584

2014 3.425

2015 2.510

2016 2.204

2017 2.469

2018 2.794

2019 2.698

2020 2.242

From: drycreek
26-Jan-21
Must be a tough row to hoe pretending that the goober you voted for is actually capable of leading a country anywhere but to hell.

From: steve
26-Jan-21
Have seen a damn near .35 cent a gallon hike in regular hear in my area since the election. My diesels won't move unless I need the use of my trailers. Today one of our senior senators was on our statewide talk show, stated that obidens killing of the Keystone XL pipeline wiped out 80 million a year in revenue from said pipeline that is sorely needed in in the eastern part of our state, not to mention all of the union jobs he killed. Wonder how the union dues payers like him now ? Hold onto your wallets folks, me thinks this farce of an administration will make obummers look like childs play !

From: Ermine
26-Jan-21
Thanks to demo rats

26-Jan-21
Biden cares not for our nations people. Only his agenda. In our state, I believe 38% of the states budget, comes directly from the oil and gas industry. That equates to 10’s of 1000’s of jobs. It also equates to a couple billion a year that go directly to education and building new schools. Not that these kids in NM are getting an education anyway, but that’s not the point. When the moratoriums on drilling for oil and gas take affect, what do you suppose is going to be the outcome here?

From: bigdog21
26-Jan-21
just for info in IL if you own a elec.car you dont get off scotch free. when you regester it you pay a 2000.00 road tax fee. next year when re-newing the plates you will pay the 2000.00 road tax fee for electric cars.

From: ben h
27-Jan-21
Buy oil futures if you think prices are going to go up in the future to hedge your bet. If prices at the pump go up, no problem because you'll have made it up on your future. That's what I did when prices were $4+/gal where I live.

27-Jan-21
What concerns me most isn’t even the $4 gas that is surely coming back. Its the Biden war or “Military action” that is sure to come when in a few years after OPEC watches us give up our own national production and they will be patient. Waiting until we have filled the wells with concrete before starting to bully us with demands and high prices. which translates directly to national security.

27-Jan-21
You !want some cheese with that WHINE !

27-Jan-21
There will be downward pressure on oil prices. It will happen once our guns are taken away we will not be purchasing gun oil. This is the plan to keep gas under $4 a barrel.

Sarcasm dripping...

27-Jan-21
Higher prices in oil means economic growth. For Trumps terms, the demand for oil was coming from Economic growth. OPEC will play the market as they always have now that optimism for American production is dropping. And control supply to up demand. And, unless a recession worldwide happens, I’m guessing by mid to late term, gas will be close to $4/gallon.

From: Rocky D
27-Jan-21
Guys, you have to give Biden a minute. Once green energy comes on board it will bring better paying union jobs all the while saving Mother Earth. I am certain Americans are going to get an economical lift just like most of his family has since he has been politics.

27-Jan-21
The stupidity of Biden simply boggles my mind. This past summer, if you shopped around, you could find diesel at $1.89...sometimes a bit lower. Rocketed to $2.29 and rising following the election! Natural gas/propane has cut emissions and lowered our dependency on foreign sources. Food at Walmart is up, Fedex shipping is up, farmers' costs are headed up; I cannot afford beef...I think the average consumer is going to get hit very hard. I cannot imagine how the XL pipeline workers feel.

From: Woods Walker
27-Jan-21

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How they feel? S C R E W E D !!!

From: HDE
27-Jan-21
1) only a fool thinks renewables are a perfect substitute for the reliability of fossil fuels.

2) only a fool thinks China, Russia, and all the Middle East will quit using fossil fuels to reverse "climate change".

3) biden is a fool as is anyone who thinks he had anything to bring to the table. The man never held a real job in a competitive market a day in his life, what the hell does he know about anything other than being a coddled loser?

27-Jan-21
Woods...perfect!!!! Was back where I lived for 63 years and drove by a former dairy farm that was surrounded by solar panels. (fall of 2018). Got to wondering with my simple mind and googled 'snow-covered solar panels'. My caffeine-laced mind was wondering if any of you folk out there could explain how solar works under snow cover, ice, or rain, or cloud cover? I do know that natural gas-powered gen stations work 24/7. Wait until increased costs for food/fuel/taxes hit all in the coming months......shades of a very possible NASTY recession.

From: Metikki
27-Jan-21

From: Live2Hunt
27-Jan-21
Unless the ground below is waste and cannot be used for anything, those solar panel fields are a waste of ground. No, they do not work very well on cloudy rainy days, and very very little when snow covered. Windmills? again, the cost of maintaining and the waste of ground below, I question it. But, we have bumbling Joe and what's her name to fix everything!!! WTF!!!

From: Dale Hajas
27-Jan-21
Don’t think Biden’s plans are stupid. They have been planned for years and they don’t give a rats butt what we think and “we” includes the supporters that voted this in. After the Great Reset, after the US dollar loses 35% of its value, we will be rioting like they did in France when gas was over $8. But hey..... we wont go to sleep at night knowing that the people that did this to our country were elected.

From: Woods Walker
27-Jan-21
You're right, they are not stupid.

Why do you think they STILL have 20,000 armed troops protecting their lying keisters?

From: South Farm
27-Jan-21
The good news is once the economy is shot completely none of us will need to drive, so we won't need gasoline. Maybe that's Biden's brillinat master plan.

27-Jan-21
WW...Those troops would be very useful on the West Coast...I am too stupid to understand why they are not there! Dummy me...Duh! The sh-- is about to hit the fan.

From: LBshooter
27-Jan-21
The deems aren't stupid. Not only did they pull the wool over the eyes of millions but they have sewed the seeds for years to come. Joe Bama and cameltoe both claimed that they would not bam fracking and the first day wiped out our energy independence , and thousands of jobs. For those of you who might have voted for the Dems, I hope that you loose your jobs and feel the pain that's coming . Secondly, which I think a lot of folks have over looked, the Dems created the shutdowns to inflict real pain and make the people angry at trump. What they have also accomplished is they managed to get thousands if no millions of liberals to flee California and New York and populate republican states, Florida and. Texas. In the next two election cycles you will see the effects. Make no mistake democrats want to make real and long lasting change and its called socialism.

From: Scrappy
27-Jan-21
Wish you guys would stop say the current administration was elected in by the voters. Probably get me banned here too but here goes. THE 2020 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION WAS STOLEN,RIGGED, AND CHEATED. There will never be another fair election without some very serious house cleaning.

27-Jan-21
It is a lot of the American people who are entitled, and stupid.

27-Jan-21
Why would freedom of speech get you banned scrappy?

Huh? What’s that? Oh yeah right. It’s because it doesn’t exist anymore?

From: LBshooter
27-Jan-21
Scrappy your right, the only problem is proving it and now it's too late. I believe cheating in large numbers occurred, but trying to prove it is impossible.every so often the American people need to be reminded that democrats are unable to lead, and screw things up, this is just one of those times.

From: steve
27-Jan-21
Just think what could have been had the republicans had Trumps back the first two years in office, ie paul worthless ryan, and mitch china loving mcconnell, hell we had all 3 branches for crying out loud. I personally think a large portion of whats going on now still goes back to Trump beating their girl the hildabeast in 2016. Of all the great things Trump did for us the greatest was keeping that bag outta office. The second was exposing washington to millions of sheep !

From: Glunt@work
27-Jan-21
Won't be long until "Orange man bad!" is replaced with "Dang, orange man not so bad after all". Just not out loud.

From: bigeasygator
27-Jan-21
Any demand related impacts pushing oil price higher are a sign of a stronger economy, so I don't understand why these are viewed through a negative lens. On the supply side, Biden can only impact so much and there is just too much oil - both offshore and in the shale plays - uneconomic right now that will become economic if prices increase. In short, I just don't see the market getting so tight that the inflationary pressures are significant enough to move the needle substantially. My prediction for prices in a year - $65-70/bbl Brent prices and gas at $2.25-2.50/gallon locally (currently at about $2.00/gallon).

From: JL
27-Jan-21
The local Costco and Sam's Club is holding their gas at $2.09. That is 5 cents cheaper than the next independent station ($2.14) and 34 cents cheaper than the chain stations ($2.45).

If you're doing a hunt/fish road trip, it may be worth the membership (if you don't already have one) if you have either store along your route. I haven't joined them because I don't think the membership cost would get a ROI. We also don't normally by in bulk like that. However, I'm always open to it.

27-Jan-21
Big, I know that’s what people suggest. But, that’s not the way the new suppliers will/have play. They’ll slow down production to increase price. Regardless of economic conditions.

From: bigeasygator
27-Jan-21
As someone who works in the industry, I can tell you no one ever responds to price increases by curtailing production. If you aren’t producing, you aren’t getting paid. If barrels become economically attractive, people are going to invest. Most of these shale barrels have a very quick development cycle and companies are going to dive back in to take advantage of any price uplift. Go look at the rig counts - it’s already happening thanks to prices recovering from the pandemic lows. If price continues to climb that trend will only increase and it will ultimately have a stabilizing factor on price (like it did in 2015).

27-Jan-21
OPEC has openly stated in the past of slowing down production to bring the price of oil back up per barrel.

I hope you are right about everything else. And, you likely are. I hadn’t considered that. So, prices may indeed stay lower then they have pre Trump. The ability to force suppliers to compete is much greater now versus 8-12 years ago.

One thing is for sure though, if liberal minds can legislate to curb that interest, it’s all for naught.

From: TD
27-Jan-21
"Energy prices must necessarily skyrocket....."

Necessarily.

Who was it that said that? Yup, Such short memories..... or such, um.... willfully misinformed people.....

Might be one of the only promises he'll keep. Already broken a half dozen or so in just his first week. But hey, his arms seemed to be outstretched, wrapping around America.... but those leftists never mention he's standing behind you....

From: Ollie
27-Jan-21
Dems understand that conservatives believe in the rule of law and therefore can do anything to us without concern for civil unrest. They will continue to do this as long as conservatives do nothing in response other than talk.

27-Jan-21
talk about spoiled as- americans , the world wont bow at our feet, Asia is the dominant Economy for for the next century, who owns our debt? and most of our country already ,India alone has more people in its middle class than we have US citizens, we wont even mention China as a Economic super power transforming into a Military superpower, who moved our jobs outside our shores CEOs and boards of corporations not our govt, it all started after WW2 and noe has hit its destructive peak, Hang ON.

From: Shaft2Long
27-Jan-21
If anybody thinks you’re going to vote this crap out you may want to look at HR1. The Dems are trying to take what happened in States like Penn. and Michigan to a whole new level and make it permanent for every State.

From: Glunt@work
27-Jan-21
BEG I don't disagree with your take. The issue is throw in government over-regulating and all the free market rules change.

From: Woods Walker
27-Jan-21
The more government is involved, the less "free" market we have. Compound that with horrifying fact that the people now in total control of the government couldn't run a nylon stocking with a roll of barbed wire even on their best day and you have an idea of how screwed we really are.

From: JL
27-Jan-21
Two things I seen in the last two days that are of interest.

1. A proposal was started to make DC a state. I don't see it happening as the moderate Dems will squash it.

2. Sen Ted Cruz is proposing Congressional term-limits. 2 terms for Senators and I think I heard 3 terms for Reps. If he is sincere and runs for Prez in 2024.....he's got my vote already!! Like Prez Trump (vs Hil) getting his SCOTUS Justices thru as the golden egg.......Congressional term-limits is the 2024 golden egg for me. States can't be counted on to flush their deadbeat Congress folks down the crapper. These career Congressional politicians get very powerful and have a lot of influence over the country...yet you and I in other states don't get to vote for them. That is horse poo IMO.

From: drycreek
27-Jan-21
Term limits will never happen IMO, because it just like firing yourself from a cushy job ........ain’t it ?

From: JL
27-Jan-21
IMO.....reasonable term limits are a requirement as we go forward. Call it Drain The Swamp 2.0.

27-Jan-21
I’d love term limits mandated. Since citizens have shown the inability or unwillingness to be responsible with their voting. And, it’d for sure hurt the party system.

From: Ucsdryder
27-Jan-21
I’ll stay out of all the BS but I completely agree on term limits!!!! They’re an absolute must.

From: Jackaroo
27-Jan-21
Term limits are a gift to the system. By the time someone understands the complexity of the system and becomes effective their term is up. It’s like a mandatory retirement rule. The most valuable person can be forced to retire makes zero sense.

From: Woods Walker
27-Jan-21
Unless we address mail-in vote fraud, and all the other vote crime, term limits won't matter a hill of beans, and especially if they ram through the HR1 bill. Fair and legitimate elections will have the final stake driven through it's (and our) heart.

From: LBshooter
27-Jan-21
Not for term limits, it's up to the people to choose who they want as their rep. The real problem in our country/politics is the news media. With a media who actually does their job we wouldn't have the scumbag politicians we do now. They would be voted out , the fact that Maxine (James brown waters) is a congressman tells you the whole story. People need to wake the F up and start using their brains.

From: spike78
27-Jan-21
In regards to term limits that could backfire as the millennials are way more far left then we have seen thanks to teachers and college professors spewing their liberalism.

From: JL
27-Jan-21
^....I'd disagree for the reason I listed above. Some of these Congress critters amass much power and influence over the country yet the whole country can't vote for/against them. That's regulation without representation. Congressional term limits is the great neutralizer that keeps all Congressional influence in check.

From: bigeasygator
27-Jan-21
Glunt, I don’t like the administration’s moves thus far but for now it’s mostly signaling and not carrying with it a lot of teeth. Most of the production in this country is on private land, not federal so there’s only so much they can actually impact. Permits are still being issued despite the “moratorium.” And even if federal leasing is paused, it’s not permanent and most companies have more than enough acreage to keep them busy exploring, appraising, and developing for the next four years. Despite the headlines, I am *optimistic* that the near-term effects will be minimal.

From: Wild Bill
27-Jan-21
C'mon man, it's Trump's fault.

From: DL
27-Jan-21
Cheapest Diesel around here is $3.35. California of course. And Biden’s picks for cabinet members are wanting to add more federal tax for the environmental issues

27-Jan-21
I’d love term limits mandated. Since citizens have shown the inability or unwillingness to be responsible with their voting. And, it’d for sure hurt the party system.

From: Glunt@work
27-Jan-21
Its no secret the left hates fossil fuels. Nothing new. But, considering where we are and how the economy has been forced to shutdown, wouldn't it be prudent to wait a year or two before intentionally hurting any American business more than the mandated shutdowns already have? It wouldn't change the result on the climate. It's a pretty low blow even for them.

27-Jan-21
Yep.

From: Woods Walker
27-Jan-21
"...... intentionally hurting any American business...."

But that's what Democrats LIVE for!

From: TEmbry
27-Jan-21
Politics aside... I’m not skipping a hunting trip over $100 in fuel.

From: JL
27-Jan-21
Once you get to where ever you're going, you still have to factor in the driving around. If you're in the hills or mountains or off-roading it.....that extra fuel usage will add up quick. That of course means your total fuel costs will run up with the higher gas or diesel prices. If you have a couple-three road trips planned....that extra fuel cost from the increasing fuel prices will bite your wallet.

From: Jaquomo
27-Jan-21
The Dems don't have anywhere near the votes to pass a gas tax now. Hopefully that won't change in 2022. But blue states like CO sure could with their solid ownership of all three branches.

28-Jan-21
Funny...We, the People term limited our Presidents some time ago. Many other political bobbin heads are term limited. Congressional members time has come. As to fuel, unless Canada opens up soon, one will not have to worry about traveling there. Being on a very fixed income does not allow the boss and I many extras...Wallyburg bill...very same items...was up $23 on a monthly basis.... As we are seriously stuck at home; power bill is up $40+/month compared to this time last year. Have had to make over 50 extra round trips in the last 3+ months for medical care...125 miles/trip. Have had to drastically alter current budget and forget any 'extras'.

From: Grasshopper
28-Jan-21

Grasshopper's Link
You guys need to watch this UK documentary. It is about 50 minutes long, but ties it all together. I am a believer in what they are saying is happening and their end game, it needs to be stopped.

Your descendents won't need cars or gas when universal income is in place, you own nothing, and Uber a driverless car when you are allowed to leave rented tiny homes.

28-Jan-21
I’m not missing a hunting trip over $100 in gas either. But, a 30% increase in energy bills. Plus, A increase on everything taxed that we buy to go on that trip starts adding up, if we get a fuel tax increase. All of a sudden, that extra couple thousand dollars you have floating around, is spoken for before you ever leave.

So, anytime government policy decides to take peoples income with taxes, it has a trickle effect much more crippling to everyone’s disposable income then the face value it promises.

From: Brotsky
28-Jan-21
Only if you're paying those taxes WV. The people voting for those implementing these taxes typically are the ones least affected by them.

From: Z Barebow
28-Jan-21
Mileage tax is ultimately where they want to go.

Step one. Push Electric vehicles. (They might have merit in big cities but not a functional alternative to those not hugging the left or east coast) Give subsidies to EV vehicle purchasers.

Step 2- Lament that fuel tax doesn’t cover road infrastructure support because EV owners don’t pay fuel tax (which helps support roads)

Step 3. Implement mileage tax and increase fuel tax to further punish middle income and middle America who need to travel greater distances.

This country is being run by people who live near the tallest buildings. For those that are harmed by the new philosophy, we are just collateral damage.

The “green” movement and climate change have NOTHING to do with the environment. The movement is akin to religious zealotry. It is about power and control of the masses. (Loss of freedoms on how I live my life) And if some rubes in flyover country suffer, the rubes need to fall in line and move to the big city. ( Where we “respect” the environment by irreversibly destroy the land with housing and parking lots. )

I didn’t know I was going to be this good today!

From: 12yards
28-Jan-21
"Its no secret the left hates fossil fuels."

Oh yes! But they sure love using them.

From: Stix
28-Jan-21
With all the complaining, when do you guys get a chance to shoot?

From: Glunt@work
28-Jan-21
I can multitask :^)

From: TD
28-Jan-21
Gotta love it when someone takes the time out of their busy day to complain about people complaining.......

From: bigswivle
28-Jan-21
Brotsky nailed it

28-Jan-21
Stix...just mounted a scope on my AR this morning. Have had it for 8 years and never used it. It is locked in at 20 yards and I am headed to the 100yd range after this post. Coyotes mouse the pastures next door and the neighbor just finished brush hogging them. Breeding season just around the corner. No fuel costs involved today!

28-Jan-21
GM just announced no more gas or diesel vehicles after 2035.

From: Woods Walker
28-Jan-21
By then I'll either be too old to drive, or dead.

28-Jan-21
Well, it’s not all about you woods.

From: Woods Walker
28-Jan-21
Didn't say it was. If you don't like my posts then DON'T READ THEM.

28-Jan-21
Free speech Buddy

28-Jan-21
I truly believe the world won’t be stable enough by 2035 to support infrastructure needed for all electric vehicles. Big Government and the tyrants controlling them will have broken the whole fiscal system by then.

From: 5575
28-Jan-21

5575's Link
What did you expect with this guy in office..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?fbclid=IwAR1vL789ZQwycHnLaA6ncRH2zTz-CkPlkadzmrYWNRSF4YjvPZU8LB8slRE&v=gIIbsgFJJPs&feature=youtu.be

28-Jan-21
only thing that surprises me is that anyone would be surprised.

From: keepemsharp
28-Jan-21
Do they plan to put some plug-ins on gravel roads?

From: steve
28-Jan-21
Habitat, screw GM. At that time both of my mid 90's Dodge 12 valves will still be purring right along. And yes diesel will still be available, and yes I'll still be filling the tank, even if it goes north of $20/gallon. Free Speech ! I can't wait to see the first load of flatbrimmers headed to the trailhead in their prius with the stock trailer loaded with mules and tack !!!

From: Z Barebow
28-Jan-21

From: Chief 419
28-Jan-21
All of you quitchabitchin and fall in line. Biden is king and knows what's best for you. Comply. He has a pen and a phone and is running low on ink. Really looking forward to the Green New Deal being implemented. There won't be any way to harvest and transport food to the liberal cesspool cities. They'll all starve to death. Not one of them could grow a tomato to save their lives.

From: TD
28-Jan-21
What would anyone expect from Government Motors? Folks running it were basically installed by the government. Not for their talents WRT cars or building them.

I have nothing against electric anything. I'd guess I carry as many or more electronics into the woods as anyone I know. Carry very few conventional batteries anymore, nearly all Li-ion (mostly 18650s) and rechargeables that can be charged from a USB or power bank (of 18650 batteries). Change is not an issue if it improves performance and makes economic sense. Right now..... no. It doesn't. Not for my uses.

IF they get to the point where they have about equal limitations with gas/diesel, pull whatever trailer I want, get where I need and back again, carry extra fuel to go even farther, haul the same loads at the same speeds the same distance...... AND it costs the same (or better yet, less) THEN it becomes a viable choice, maybe the preferred choice. Some may be getting close, depending on the mission parameters. Some folks have very, um..... undemanding parameters...

Leftist think conservatives are against change of any kind. Not true at all. But change has to prove itself worthy of the effort, be equal to or an improvement. If not come back when you're ready for prime time. Trendy is not a reason for anything..... just look at those damn ugly worthless ball caps...... =D

From: Jackaroo
28-Jan-21
The tax donkeys and the debt serfs will tar and feather the Tsars before 2035.

From: Woods Walker
28-Jan-21
10 years ago we had a "snowmageddon" here in northern Illinois. It was as bad a storm period here since '78-'79. A friend of mine plows snow, and he asked me if I would help him out during that winter which I did. On the night of the worst storm we had, he called me when I was about half done with the places I had to do, and told me to head on home, as it was bad, and was going to get worse, and the county/towns had STOPPED plowing until the storm quit. I live in a rural area and was about 5 miles from home when the road became drifted over and I got stuck. By the time I dug out, the road I had plowed that I was so I on so I could move became drifted over from behind me was well.

I was in a 1 ton dump truck with twin diesel tanks that were 80% full. So....I called my wife to let her know I was OK, took my wet outer clothes off and dried them on the dashboard, and then got my cooler out and had something to eat and drink and then spend a WARM, comfortable night watching the horizontal snow blowing across the fields. I was there for 11 hours until the county finally came by with a road grader and opened things up. That truck purred all night long and I STILL had plenty of fuel left. I remember thinking then how different that night would have been if I had to rely on a battery. NO WAY!

From: LBshooter
28-Jan-21
What is so funny is that the electric car people don't think of how much energy will be need to charge the batteries of electric carsLol also, if we are going electric with the cars and trucks, will John (lurch) Kerry be flying in an electric jet?

From: Glunt@work
28-Jan-21
A guy in Australia has a pretty good business going putting diesel powered charging stations in remote areas for folks who want to explore the outback with their EVs.

From: Woods Walker
28-Jan-21
Oh, come on now LB, you should know by now that freezing in the dark is only for us dirtbags. The political elite can do whatever they wish. They are our "leaders" and the rules don't apply to them. Never have in fact.

28-Jan-21
After Carter, Clinton and Obama, aren’t you all surprised the country is still here? Maybe I shouldn’t ask, and you shouldn’t tell.

28-Jan-21
Not surprised at all Frank. Just not arrogant enough to suggest decisions don’t come without consequences. If you drive down a road long enough, you will finally get to the end of the road. That’s the way life works. And a republic that neglects their democracy applies like everything else.

From: Rupe
29-Jan-21
Amen WV

29-Jan-21
If that road is an oval race track, or long enough, you will run out of gas before coming to the end.

No arrogance Justin, just tired of extremists on both sides, most recently from the right who seem bent on the same goal as the extreme left, destroying the greatest democratic republic to have ever existed without a plan to replace it with something better. Unless something better is defined as their narrow view of the way things ought to be. And the more I observe and watch, the more I am convinced there are a lot of bigoted and racist individuals stirring the pot. Count me out.

From: midwest
29-Jan-21
Dang, now you're even a racist if you don't like the old white man in office.

29-Jan-21
Yep. SMH.

From: Rocky D
29-Jan-21
Habitat, after Carter an Clinton we had major economic downturns. As far as a lesson on how not to handle a hostage situation just look at how Carter mishandled that fiasco. Clinton brought shame to the Oval Office and was impeached and lied about his behavior to the American people. Now, do I need to expound Obamer!

29-Jan-21
To hell with electric and GM. Given the ranges and charge times I am 4 days from my daughter's family. Well under 2 days with diesel. A bit rocky in the stock market arena yesterday...maybe a Jimmy Carter era returning capped with the stupidity of Biden and we are in for a clown show. Rumor in my rural area is the Chinese are buying up land for growing maryj....on the 'no rumor' side of that coin...greenhouses are going up all over the area!!!!!

29-Jan-21
Midwest,

Has nothing to due with Biden, but the association of too many of the clowns who attempted to disrupt congress on January 6th. But you already know that, so what does that say?

Justin, you spend a lot of time on sites like this, while being self employed. Lots of energy maybe could be redirected with better results? SMH

From: M.Pauls
29-Jan-21
For as long as history has been written, nations have risen and fallen. I don’t understand peoples’ complacency in grasping the concept that there are no guarantees for us. There as so many warning signs. It’s like ignoring you’re driving on “E” and saying, “well she’s still running ain’t she?, let’s go on a road trip!” I’m a Canadian so our outlook is slightly different but seems to be getting similar. I’m not sure when the end is for the Canadian currency, but I do believe that this is the beginning of the end, whenever that may come.

From: Woods Walker
29-Jan-21
Blow it out you butt Frank. The LAST thing people need is advice from YOU! Like you're important....LOL!

From: Live2Hunt
29-Jan-21
It has all to do with the luggage that Voting Bidon into office brings with it. Pandora's box has opened and Stupid is coming out.

From: Old School
29-Jan-21
Antifa and BLM riot, burn cities and take over govt offices - Biden/Harris condone and encourage it - somehow that has no impact on the likes of Habitat For Wildlife. Biden surrounds himself with people that have outright said they want Gun bans and confiscations - that somehow has no impact on the likes of Habitat for Wildlife. Obama and the left claim they want to “remake” America - that somehow has no impact on the likes of Habitat For Wildlife.

Some rioters storm the capital and Trump tells them they need to go home - yet this is why the likes of Habitat For Wildlife say they don’t like and even fear the right.

Bottom line is this - you’re never going to please or appease the likes of Habitat For Wildlife because they really aren’t willing to be objective. Don’t like their side - well that’s because you’re a bigoted racist - that’s the best they’ve got - baseless name calling. If you want to see bigoted racism just watch the MSM.

From: Scrappy
29-Jan-21
Yup four dollar fuel to quickly crash the economy and multiple investigations and new regulations to crash the stockmarket will have us right back to the good old days of obummer. Just like President Trump never existed.

Damn this is a very depressing time in our country.

From: Woods Walker
29-Jan-21
Get used to swirling the bowl, because it's the new norm.

From: Skippy
29-Jan-21
Old school is right on the money.

From: Norseman
29-Jan-21

Norseman 's Link
https://www.solarnovus.com/photovoltaic-heat-island-effect-large-solar-power-plants-increase-local-temperatures_N10518.html

Funny we don’t see the mass media covering these type of studies when it comes to climate change.

From: HDE
29-Jan-21
All nations and civilizations that have fallen is due to the degradation of morals, morality, and basic human decency. Has nothing to do with a slow pace in technological advances.

My hell, we live in a nation that says abortion is OK and a fundamental right. What did anyone expect when a FOOL has been "elected" to the most influential office in the world.

As goes the U.S., so goes the rest of the world...

29-Jan-21
Ha! Is that what you got Frank? What a laughable excuse for a man you have become.

FWIW, I’ve worked out of town the las several weeks. We have been taking fridays and most weekends off. Something to do with labor laws and such for workers. I can’t imagine the guys not wanting to come home and be with family. Anyways, the good news is I’m off all day. It’s 15 degrees out with a 15 mph wind. No outside work within hours of home scheduled. So, I’m going to be here all DAY long. :^)

From: S.C.C
29-Jan-21
Hopefully it destroy’s the migration to TN,they are coming in droves and bringing there leftist crap with them!Stay away we don’t need anymore commie’s in TN!

29-Jan-21
Victimhood is alive and well on BS!

Our FF created a wonderful system, and I cling to the belief that Divine Intervention played a part and will continue to do so. Good will win over evil in the end. The worst of Biden's tendencies will be prevented by a closely divided Congress and a conservative leaning judiciary. We will survive it and have an opportunity to turn it around, again, in 2022 and 2024. I would rather spend my time cheerfully communicating my beliefs in conservative ideology to possible young, future supporters than constantly tap keyboards with a bunch of useless dribble and dire rantings/predictions.

Some here had the same 'world is coming to an end' crap when Clinton was elected, and then Obama and now Biden. Get over it guys, I voted for Trump, but he LOST because of his behavior. Let's learn from it and move on. Personally, I hope the dems do go too far, as it appears Biden is doing with EOs, it will make it that much easier to turn it next cycle, unless a narcistic ego maniac still wants to make it about him and not the country.

From: RutnStrut
29-Jan-21
Raising fuel prices eventually hits EVERYONE and every aspect of life. It's the Dems first attack on the American way of life, and it's a significant blow.

From: Elkpacker1
29-Jan-21
Biden has nothing to do with this, its the people he works for to push thier agendas. Why do you think he is signing so many excutive orders

From: LINK
29-Jan-21
You guys that will only spend an extra $100 on fuel for a trip after prices double must be hunting close to home or driving a Prius. Most of my elk trips are close to 3000 miles round trip from a neighboring state. A mans vehicle gets 15mpg so 200 gallons right now would be $500. When gas doubles it will be $1000. Not enough to deter me but it’s not beer money either. Well maybe for some of you it is. ;)

From: Scrappy
29-Jan-21
"I voted for Trump, but he LOST because of his behavior"

Sorry Habitat for wildlife. Trump didn't loose the election it was stolen from him and the people that voted for him.

29-Jan-21
The only Democrat in Congress from my state was booted last Nov. When all sinks in, more will be booted from rural/conservative leaning districts and NunCee will be forgotten. 4 months ago I paid $1.79 down on I40 10 miles from my house; paid $2.09 one month ago at a QTrip when went to last cancer treatment; hit Wallyburg this am...paid $2.34 at Murphys....Loves was $2.73...2.68 cash right on I40. Coming spring food crops in the Heartland are going up! Seriously considering; if Canada does open up; of eating my $1000 deposit on canceled bear hunt and not going. Will have to see.

From: 70lbdraw
29-Jan-21
"I voted for Trump, but he LOST because of his behavior."

"it will make it that much easier to turn it next cycle, unless a narcistic ego maniac still wants to make it about him and not the country."

I'm still having a problem seeing everything that Trump personally gleaned from his presidency. Did he really benefit from it, or is just a way for the TDS'ers to justify their ailment.

If you fell through a frozen lake, would you refuse help from someone simply because they may be rude or obnoxious?

Clinging to identity politics is one of the things that got us where we are today. Victimhood is alive and well, simply because rational thinking is not a common trait in many folks these days.

What ever happened to "Stick and Stones"?

29-Jan-21
70,

You can keep denying the fact that enough people vote emotionally, not rationally, to have kept Trump from a second term, but that is the reality of it.

I have never fallen through the ice, probably because I behave rationally. No TDS here, but tired of being labeled a communist by the far right just because I refuse to pay homage to any human. And know many others who feel the exact same way, and they hunt as well.

29-Jan-21
Boom!!!! 70lb draw nailed it.

From: JL
29-Jan-21
Folks have to move on from the past and look forward to 2022 and 2024. As Prez Biden keeps rehashing Obama 2.0 + Extreme.....his demise is inevitable in 2024 if his faculties last that long. If the Repubs put up a good candidate with great speaking skills....I think they will take back the WH. IMO.....Pence and Cruz would be likely candidates at this point in time.

Short term......I think the House is definitely re-takeable next year. Again....the Repubs will need to put up great candidates.

From: Rocky D
29-Jan-21
Just because you voted Republican doesn’t mean that you suffer from TDS. Ironically, the left labeling once again.

From: 70lbdraw
29-Jan-21
"You can keep denying the fact that enough people vote emotionally, not rationally,"

Oh, no denial here. I have no doubt it's true in Trump's case. Problem is, it's been going on way before the Trump era.

HfW, I'm not trying to be rude, or attack you, and the ice scenario was simply a hypothetical, but you just proved my point. I don't understand the desire to be miserable in an effort to make your case of, "orange man bad!" What's that saying?... Don't cut your nose off in spite of your face... Anyways, I don't understand it.

From: Jackaroo
29-Jan-21
Trump was just a symptom of an underlying problem. We ignore it at our peril.

From: Jaquomo
29-Jan-21
"Don't cut your nose off in spite of your face" - No offense, but I LOVE malapropisms. Thanks for that. I'll use it sometime. My all-time favorite was uttered by a guy who worked for me: "Sleeping dogs never lie". How true is that??!! Yogi Berra was the World Champion and had some amazing ones. "If you come to a fork in the road, take it."

From: Rocky D
29-Jan-21
Joq, that dog won’t hunt or discussion after decision is dissension.

29-Jan-21
those who can, do. those who can't, teach. those who can't do either get into politics.

From: HDE
29-Jan-21
^^^ you have it wrong. It's those who can, do. Those who can't, regulate.

30-Jan-21
70,

Orange man was bad enough to the majority, I guess I don’t understand why people are still confused over it. Why do people think a guy who went out of his way to be a jerk would be able to have everyone ignore it. Few would accept that behavior in a friend, fewer would allow their daughter to date it. I get the pent up anger that had many, mainly white guys, get behind a man who rudely articulated their frustrations. But only really dumb people still cling to the belief that demographic is enough to win elections. Trump was a son of a witch, but few actually believed he was our son of a witch. Most realized it was always about him, and we used him like he used us. We had better move on with a leader who believes most of the policies were sound, but someone eloquent enough to invite people in.

Cruz won’t be the nominee, and if so we will lose again.

All the tough talkers here, what have they actually done? Were they at the Capitol, or still just talking, waiting for someone else to actually do? We all know it is the latter.

From: trublucolo
30-Jan-21

30-Jan-21
HDE, its an incompetence spectrum.

producer-------> teacher-------> regulator

From: Lawdy
30-Jan-21
I have been a activist against the federal takeover of our land up here for 15+ years and have testified in DC and our state capitol. I can tell you that we elect some very strange people, especially on the federal level. Most I talked with were incredibly out of touch with ordinary America, especially the multi-termers. Every single one I talked to face to face assured me that they would “look into it.” Never heard from them again. Several sent me requests for campaign donations. To almost a person, they are incredible liars. You people that live in the West and Northern states had better pay attention to Biden’s picks for the Interior Dept. one is multi-millionaire Chellie Pingree. She tried to push for a national park encompassing Northern NH, Maine, NY, and Vermont, using her 80,000+ acres as the start. With Biden’s EO to have 30% of this nation’s land mass federalized, she may succeed. Over 1/3 of my town is federal now and with a new Comprehensive Conservation Plan coming in a couple of years, we will probably lose much more of our tax base. Washington does have a competitor though, China. They are buying up land like crazy. My brother is the foremost fruit specialist in this country, especially in apple production. The Chinese government offered him a #250,000 yearly salary to set up orchards for them. He refused. I help out at a food bank, and guess where all our canned fruit comes from, China. We have hundreds of cans no one will take because no one with brains trusts what the Chinese puts into those cans. If it says “product of China” or “canned in China,” don’t eat it.

From: Old School
30-Jan-21
HFW - with the MSM line “it was pent up anger from mainly old white guys”. Father in law was at DC and said it was awesome that day - whites, blacks, Hispanics and Asians - a true melting pot. Of course HFW and the MSM cannot accept or believe that - and you’ll hear/ see no reporting on it. Because you know - it’s just mainly uneducated old white men that support Trump.

The Trump base is only getting stronger through this HFW.

30-Jan-21
You left out racist white guys Old School.

30-Jan-21
Old School, the Trump base is getting stronger, but not getting larger. That points to increas d friction.

I don’t rely on the MSM. I looked at lots of videos, pictures from multiple sources. Most were white, most of the arrests have been white.

From: Old School
30-Jan-21
My last post for the day, or at least for a while. HFW - so being white is a bad thing I guess - that’s what you and the MSM imply. And colleges teach - you know, the whole white guilt, white privilege divisive garbage.

Think about it this way - perhaps it’s mainly white because there are simply more whites % wise - I know, crazy idea. Who did the Latinos in Florida overwhelmingly vote for? Yep, they weren’t angry bigoted racist old white guys - and somehow they voted for Bad Orange Man. Perhaps because they’ve tasted socialism in their homeland and know Trump is pro America and anti socialist....

In 4 years you may be surprised at how many would vote for Trump.

30-Jan-21
OS, I don’t apologize for being white, and no one else has to either. Please quit deflecting and changing directions.

You see more whites by far at an average BLM riot than you do blacks at the Capitol movement. Notice, my wording, so as not to offend you ideologues who cannot process facts any longer.

I will not be surprised at how many will vote for trump in the future. Even if he is not on the ticket, my prediction, he wii garner numerous write-ins, and will still lose. I don’t care about trump, I care about conservative ideology. Many here obviously are in love with the man, not conservatism. Bible has much to say about worshipping false gods.

30-Jan-21
How did 'false gods' get into a gas price increase thread?

From: TD
30-Jan-21
newfi..... obviously this is you first introduction to dealing with terminal TDS.... things that trigger anxiety levels and neurosis must be removed... at all cost apparently, even if you have to burn down your house to do so.

From: Old School
30-Jan-21
HFW - if their is an angry white guy on this thread - you ought to look in the mirror.

I did notice your words - you stated in was mainly angry white guys that support Trump - I didn’t deflect anything. And no, I don’t worship at the altar of Trump - in the primary in 2016 I didn’t vote for Trump. For you to claim it’s angry white men would be like me saying it was bitter black men that voted for Obama - neither of which is true, and both are a smear.

You claim to be a “conservative” but all of us here see none of that in your posts - you come off as a RINO. Wanting to “be a centrist”. Problem is the left has run so far into left field that center is no longer center, it’s left. The left has run to socialism and gun confiscation - how has the right moved like that, attempting to destroy our republic? Obama and the left want to “remake” America - the right has not stated a desire to “remake” America. I have no issues processing facts - and don’t need to defend myself there.

You’ve claimed multiple times that both fringes (left and right) are trying to destroy our republic and you throw Trump in with those trying to ruin our republic - I’d like exact details on how Trump is for destroying our republic. The rest of us can sure point to how the left is. Your extreme hatred of Trump and smears that coincidently align with exactly what the MSM say are very telling. That’s it

Busy day - I’m out.

30-Jan-21
TD,

Where are the discussions of conservatism by conservatives here? Mostly we hear whining about a stolen election.

From: itshot
30-Jan-21
frank, how's the coffee in this joint?

lemme guess, cold & bitter but free? filler up!

From: ahunter76
30-Jan-21
2001 I drove 30 miles each way to work (the year I retired) Gas in Iowa was 99 cents per gallon. My Pontiac Formula made the trip for $20 per week (6 days). In 2007-08 my wife was extremly sick (near bed ridded) from a horrible infection & after 38 days in the hospital I had to take her to Iowa City Hospital once a week (150 miles round trip) & gas was $4.00 & more during that time. These are the reasons I can "remember" the price of gas. Today, I paid $2.25 in Iowa. Lets hope it doesn't get 4 bucks again..

From: Rocky D
30-Jan-21
HFW, why discuss when the left just denies?

From: JL
30-Jan-21
I think Old School makes a few good points above.

I'll stick with Cruz or Pence in 2024. IMO opinion Cruz and Pence would do the same/similar policies as Trump but without much of the negative rhetoric. Prez Trump's policies laid the framework for future policies that have been shown to work for many Americans across all stripes. I think those folks who benefited from the Trump policies will remember that.

From: TD
30-Jan-21
Can't be Cruz. According to those oh so honest and truthful patriots defending our democracy.... Cruz tried to have AOC murdered..... yes, murdered. But as with all their psychopathic lies they pile one on top of the other over the last four years..... at least they said it politely and so as not to offend anyone's sensibilities.... well, anyone who doesn't oppose them anyway.....

From: Woods Walker
30-Jan-21
Until we get rid of unverified mail in vote fraud, it won't matter. And I stress "WE", because the Democrats and the other Swamp Scum sure as hell won't.

From: ahunter76
30-Jan-21
Im not a fan of Cruz from the last run BUT he has been doing a great job bringing up various points lately. As far as someones demise, AOC & a whole bunch more would not be missed. Maxine Waters, Schiff, Pelosie, OMAR & the rest of the squad should be in the top, first round to go.. Hell, way to many to list...

30-Jan-21
I lie right of center and have voted that way all my life; win or lose, 90% of the time. Only time I am a bit left of center is on my birthday...Social Security arrives. If Biden keeps moving the country left (farther left nearer socialism), backlash will be ugly. The Constitution cannot be altered unless by amendment; the ugly radicals left/right cannot be allowed to exist in a civilized society. The SC needs to stay at 9, period. Why stick it to Canada by stopping the XL? The OK segment runs 5 miles west of my house...cattle graze on and hay is cut. Where is the true Christian/moral core of a leadership that does those things? Was fired twice over a 55 year work span and was working the next day...somewhere. The Squad needs to stop pushing the country left; better they resign. Either political leadership all across the country rejects extreme factions within and moves centrist governing as best both sides can working together, or the country will continue its decline and fall. Biden best pay close attention to crime/fuel prices/food prices/electric/taxes/$15 minimum wages, etc. Those who lose jobs under his watch will turn on him in coming elections... COVID is another story...all of us need to overcome!

30-Jan-21
Exactly what is radically right?

It’s now a term used to describe people who prescribe to biblical morality. That’s not radical. So, educate me. What is radically right? There is a constitution. There is morality defined by God that most all the FF prescribed too. So, what is radically right?

30-Jan-21
WV...Hope you are easily educated... I have been biblical moral mostly and you are correct as such is applied to us today...... The farthest radically right you can get in history during the last 100 years or so is the likes of Hitler/Mussolini/Tojo. Such cannot be allowed to exist as I hope you agree with me. On the extreme left you have the Mao/Stalin factions. I am defining my politics based on support of the Constitution, ownership of the means of production, freedom of religion/speech, and especially law and order. Anti-abortion places me on the right. So...Taught history/political science/macro-economics for over 40 yrs. Maybe my ancestors were at Concord or Lexington...I hope so.....

From: Glunt@work
30-Jan-21
I'm no expert but I have tried to educate myself on world history a bit. I don't see Hitler as extreme right. What they had was a terrible mix of basically rejecting the good parts of the right and the left. To me, "right" is grounded in freedom, personal responsibility & accountability and the rule of laws based on those three things.

30-Jan-21
New I, I’m easily educated if there is something g to learn.

That’s my point Glunt. Hitler wasn’t right. He was a frighin’ nut job. Same as all the other nutjobs in history. They weren’t ultra conservative. Or even conservative. So, why do they get labeled far right? I think as a common sense man, people would ask that obvious question. Nope, people responsible for educating our youth are participating in the farce. SMH.

Somewhere the disconnect has become norm. We call those that lean towards bigger government as left leaning. But, society has labeled the radical nutjobs as far right. Hitler didn’t want small government. He wanted to rule the whole dang world!!! That’s not small government!!! Same with all the nutjobs in history that were radical dictators. Yet, it’s become standard to label them as far right. Sounds to me like that’s the definition of what we label far left. Are you paying attention teachers. Because you sure don’t seem like it when you recite bs feed to you. It’s not a coincidence either. You are helping the concerted egoist to make anything but liberal beliefs taboo.

Anyways, supposedly educated people participate in this attack on ideology. The quicker this effort can make true conservatism deemed the same as radical belief, the quicker we no longer have to worry about conservatives.

It’s beyond neglect to recite that crap. I’m not being mean either. I’m as conservative as any person to ever live. But, I’m not a racist, homophobic, nazi, or any of the other things it’s becoming normal to suggest.

Wake up. Or shut up. Your words are Influential. And, I’m getting tired of being lumped into the lines of people that evil cannot even fathom.

From: TD
30-Jan-21
Nazi.... the English translation is the National Socialist German Workers’ Party.

Socialist. Workers. Yeah, sure, you'becha.... sounds far right to me..... (facepalm....)

Crap like this is why the left needs a monopoly on the media and information. All they have to do is SAY it's far right..... label it so. And with no honest discussion or debate..... it gets entered into the books as so. It's not only Fake News, it's Fake History. Openly so the last 4 years, but likely far longer. Truth and facts just don't matter when there is a cause at stake. Again.

So deletion and censoring avoids all those unnecessary debates that would just confuse the "common" people who don't really understand the nuances and.... ahhh, just shut the hell up..... Hitler and Trump were the same guy..... and everyone who voted for him are Nazi's. Because, well.... Nazi and white supremacist are the worst insults I can come up with right now..... BTW, are you still beating your wife?

But let me see here, leftists support censorship, remove private gun ownership, state control of media and information along with centralized control over individual citizens rights and freedoms. And total unquestioned control of elections with no opposition oversight. All things done by Nazi's, (as well as Socialist/Communists....) it's in the playbook. Then accuse the right as being Nazis. Only on Planet Left.......

From: JL
31-Jan-21
FWIW.....I have seen a thread or two on other websites debating what Hitler was....or at least what he tried to enforce. On those threads, there was a lot of going around but the thoughts were more of a Socialist leaning. One of the Nazi groups under Hitler was considered a union....don't remember which one it was though.....maybe one of the Nazi police groups?? Interesting history discussion.

31-Jan-21
TD nailed it. A solid litmus test has always been. Whatever the greasy politicians/Media are accusing the right for trying to do. Is exactly what they are currently doing.

A fine example. Trump asks questions about sleazy politicians getting rich from Ukraine and China they impeach him. How dare he expose how they and their families are all getting rich while being government employees

From: Woods Walker
31-Jan-21
Your last 3 sentences are dead on....to the letter!

From: Grey Ghost
31-Jan-21
Not sure how this thread got derailed to a discussion about Hitler and political labels, but I don't really care.

Back to the topic. If anyone is interested, the average nationwide gas price has actually fallen since this thread was started, and it's almost $0.25 lower than it was a year ago.

Now, back to your regularly scheduled rhetoric.

Matt

From: Woods Walker
31-Jan-21
Not here Matt. Going up in fact.

From: Grey Ghost
31-Jan-21
Your's is just one small part of the nation, WW.

This whole thread was about fretting over rising gas prices, and how that might add a few bucks to the cost of your hunting road trips. So far, that isn't the case based on a national averages. Now, when fuel prices inevitably rise, like they always do in spring/summer, I'm sure the wailing will start all over again.

Matt

31-Jan-21
Prices are up over $.60/gallon for diesel here and it is not spring yet...checked and it was 1/31/21. We who live on fixed incomes cannot wait for the horse plops to hit the fan. Our farmers will need to take their tractors and visit the cities as India just did. Fuel + food + power + taxes + job losses = recession. More government enters the economy the worse it will get. Unsure where Matt gets his gas prices but mine come from the electronic billboards at major intersections along I40...and we are a major oil/gas state.

From: Woods Walker
31-Jan-21
Time will tell Matt. One good thing about this, is that gas prices don't lie, unlike most of the other "facts" we get from the government/media.

From: Grey Ghost
31-Jan-21
Good point, Lou.

From: bigeasygator
31-Jan-21

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Here are two charts illustrating why I don’t see prices getting too crazy.

The first chart shows Bakken oil production. You can see how production has ramped up from 2012 onward. This is a direct response to higher oil price making these barrels economic.

You can also see how as price collapsed due to all the excess oil supply, rig counts have dropped. Development has slowed and production has plateaued. There is still a lot of STOIIP (stock tank oil initially in place) in the Bakken that is just sitting idly by as it is not economic at current oil prices. When the Bakken development was most active, oil was $75-100/bbl.

The price drop that followed in 2015 was a direct result of these barrels coming to market. And if prices start climbing any more than what they are, you will see a similar supply side effect to counteract any market tightening.

The great thing about shale production compared to say deepwater is that the time to develop and bring the barrels to market is drastically faster, meaning companies will generally be able to respond quickly to any upside in price.

You can see how this has impacted gas prices over the last 10 years in the second chart. As shale production peaked, prices fell and have remained fairly depressed.

Lastly, most of these onshore barrels are essentially untouched and unaffected by the actions of the current administration.

I expect some overall tightening in the market as demand picks up, but I just have a hard time seeing how we could ever realize some of the prices being suggested. Even if we did, it would have to get there extremely fast (which would be great if that was a demand driven response), and I don’t see it lasting long - just in time for development to ramp back up and increase supply.

From: JL
31-Jan-21

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Getting back to the gas prices.......Gasbuddy has some great tools to use for trip planning and gas price trends by city, state, nation.

From: Grey Ghost
31-Jan-21
I think demand for fuel will remain lower than normal this spring/summer due to lingering Covid restrictions and concerns. Especially airline travel and cruises. If the vaccine roll-out starts showing big drops in new cases and hospitalizations, things may pick up by fall.

The other thing that may keep prices stable, or even lower than previous years, is Covid has made a lot of companies realize how much money they waste on business travel. Virtual meetings have eliminated the need for much of that travel. They've discovered employees can be equally productive working from home, instead of driving to and from the office every day. All of that should serve to reduce demand for fuel, and may turn out to be a silver lining to the pandemic.

Anyway, those are my optimistic thoughts.

Matt

31-Jan-21
I sincerely hope for everyone's sake that common sense prevails. JL...your chart is for nationwide averages so higher $$$ in CA/NY are factored in. That is understood. Local wells had been shut for a long time; just turned back on last week. Time will tell.

From: Jackaroo
31-Jan-21
For the history buffs. Lots of Jews in Poland reassured other Jews that everything would be Ok in 1939. The big oil companies are the single largest group of investors in green energy. Global investment in oil is at a 10 year low. That hedge alone tells you where this is headed.

From: Randy Green
31-Jan-21
The only thing they can do is call Democrats racist and give em some free stuff

From: JL
31-Jan-21

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Newfi....On Gasbuddy, you can go state by state to see what your state is doing. Here is Oklahoma.

I added Michigan to show what the gas suppliers do here is yo-yo the gas prices to milk out the increase. You can go by a gas station and the price is say $2.00. You will go by later on that day and the price sky rockets to $2.25. Then the gas suppliers will slowly lower it back to say $2.05 to make you think you're back to normal when in reality it's 5 cents higher from when the yo-yo started. I just checked the other Great Lake states and they are subject to the same yo-yo game. Ontario is not.

From: JL
31-Jan-21

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Here's three more mountain states.

From: JL
31-Jan-21

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Just for grins....here's Newfoundland. They're currently north of $4.80 a gallon and climbing. If ya have a Newfi hunt in the works....heads up.

From: steve
31-Jan-21
JL, as you probably already know the raising of prices one day and lowering it two days later to .05 cents above where it started is known in the corporate world as consumer conditioning. Just happened here last week, the locals raised the price of regular .12 cents over night and the next day knocked .08 cents off the price. Steadily climbing ever since,it's now higher than when they jumped it .12 cents.

31-Jan-21
I just heard The Energy Czar on the radio :15 ago state he thinks the best way to get the peasants to submit is to put a carbon tax on pretty much everything. Concrete, steel, wood, plastic, rubber, oil, natural gas, water drilling. So it’s a nice sneaky way to tax everything.

From: Grey Ghost
31-Jan-21
I used to have an employee who would drive 10 miles out of his way to a gas station that was routinely $.05/gal cheaper than other stations. He drove a small SUV with a 20 gallon tank that got 20 MPG.. So, he'd burn 1 gallon of gas (10 miles each way = 20 miles) to save $1 on a tank full gas. At the time, I think gasoline was around $3.00/gal. So, he was wasting $2 every fill up. No matter how I tried to explain the math, he insisted he was saving money. Math was hard for him.

I dunno, I've never let the price of fuel dictate where, when, and how far I travel. I average 20-25K miles on my pickup every year, regardless. I know it becomes a concern for people on tighter budgets. But, if a few pennies/gal higher makes you reconsider a hunting trip, then I'd question whether you can afford the trip in the first place.

Matt

From: Tilzbow
31-Jan-21
Years ago a good friend, who had a Dodge pickup with a V10, and I were talking about what MPG our trucks got. He said he’d never checked his because no matter what it was he wasn’t selling the truck. I’ve followed this philosophy ever since.

From: JL
31-Jan-21
Matt,....I think where folks on a budget can get in a fix is after they drew an NR tag and/or put down a deposit on a hunt and then the unexpected costs arise.....like fuel costs going up. They will likely have to give up on something else in the budget to stay within budget. Hopefully they factored in a percentage for unplanned costs.

31-Jan-21
JL...very unsure if Quebec will be open for a spring 2020 bear hunt that was pushed to 2021. Have been to NL 7 times and have some very nice friends (guides) and wanted to visit The Rock with the wife this summer but that appears it will not happen. Cancer and age have taken a toll on me and soaked the budget...cannot be helped. Your chart is accurate for OK for regular gas. Last Friday I paid $2.39 for diesel and I recall, Loves was $2.63 when I came back home on I-40.

From: Skippy
31-Jan-21
Old school is right on the money.

From: HDE
31-Jan-21

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"Global investment in oil is at a 10 year low. That hedge alone tells you where this is headed."

Forbes thought differently in March of 2020. The point is that no matter how heroic the cause to "green energy" may be, solar (and wind) will only get you so far, fossil fuels will take you the rest of the way.

From: Glunt@work
31-Jan-21
In the old days controversial executive orders were more of a last resort after explaining how good your idea was for America but the people didn't agree enough to get it through Congress.

I have to admit just doing it before getting rejected by the people is a lot more efficient.

From: HDE
01-Feb-21
People confuse executive order's with the legislative process. An executive order is NOT a law...

From: bigswivle
01-Feb-21
Already changing the ground I was gonna farm this spring to a piece of ground where I have electric wells. Diesel is gonna get nasty

From: Rocky D
01-Feb-21
“But, if a few pennies/gal higher makes you reconsider a hunting trip, then I'd question whether you can afford the trip in the first place.”

GG, is this the left’s perspective of what the little man is supposed to do in their search for happiness. Get real, if gas prices go up then so does a lot of other essentials. This discussion may be about gas prices but the real issue is on the direction of the country and the use of it’s resources. That is why climate change is such an enormous issue. Once you agree with climate change it becomes the umbrella that governs everything else and then you are forever held hostage by it!

01-Feb-21
Anyone wanna buy a Tunda with a 5.7. Shes a powerhouse!!!!

From: JL
01-Feb-21
"That is why climate change is such an enormous issue. Once you agree with climate change it becomes the umbrella that governs everything else and then you are forever held hostage by it! "

^....X2. Likewise....Prez Biden going back into the Paris Agreement after Prez Trump got us out of it may prove to be a catastrophic mistake for the U.S.

From: TD
01-Feb-21
Shutting down the pipeline, stopping drilling on fed land, etc. are instant job killers (as well as indirect jobs in those local economies) at a time the country needs it. But as Lurch so eloquently put it..... "I don't live there and those people don't vote for us so..... let them eat cake...." Go get a job making solar panels (is that the same as "learn to code"?)...... panels which are made in China, but I guess nobody told him..... must be like all those "shovel ready jobs....." touted by people who have never touched one in their lives.....

Doing so now may or may not have a small effect on CURRENT prices WRT fuel, especially when demand is sketchy and helter skelter across the country. But make no mistake about their intentions. Again.... "energy prices must NECESSARILY skyrocket...." their own words from the Obama/Biden administration just a few years ago. Big money has already bought these guys. Big tech, Big Corp, Big Gov. That pipeline, that drilling.... might lead to cheaper fuel. In their view that's bad. New money has little control (and less ownership) of fossil fuels that currently dominate. In order to break that they need it to be expensive. More expensive. So they must hinder production. And then tax the livin' crap out of it if it's still too cheap. That's what all these "Paris Accords" and Green New Deal "carbon taxes" are all about. Saving the planet? You're kidding right? It's power, money and control. They see it as a win win. Helps their enterprises compete where they currently cannot.... and lines their own pockets with taxpayer money at the same time.... win win.

01-Feb-21
Just got back from the local county seat buying feed for my old horses and one of the clerks in the hardware told me that one of his friends has been a contractor/subcontractor for years and laid off 70 workers last week...roughly split between the XL and the border wall. Said his friend's contracts were in the low single digit millions. Lost jobs, all-around price increases (inflation) are going to hit the working man/woman. Jimmy Carter days coming?

From: Brun
01-Feb-21
Oops, I thought I was looking at a hunting site.

From: Randy Green
02-Feb-21
We’d be ok if his heart bled for the American displaced oil and gas workers like it does for illegal immigrants. Not to mention all the support workers that benefits that are screwed.

From: RymanCat
02-Feb-21
They know how to follow the Benjamins meaning this about all the illegal's that will work at CVS, Walmart and all other china company's. They will shop there as well and add to Chinas profits.

From: JL
04-Feb-21
Some our local prices at the name brand stations went up $2.55 today. The yo-yo is in play....

From: Jaquomo
04-Feb-21
Gas prices went up .15 in three blocks here in CO yesterday. Regular was $2.05 at one station, and three blocks down the street it was $2.20...

From: LBshooter
04-Feb-21
I just paid 2.86 for regular here in the Chicagoland area, by summer it will be well in the mid to high 3's. To all those who voted for Joe Bama I hope your enjoying what you voted for, it's only going to get worse.

From: Huntcell
04-Feb-21
I've sent memo to self that a "gas surcharge" for this years DIY hunts, will not be an IF, but how much $$$.

From: Chief 419
04-Feb-21
I wish Biden would shutdown the mask industry instead of the oil & gas industry. Mask life!

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