Shoulder,my turn in the barrel
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Gunny 09-Feb-21
Muleysareking 09-Feb-21
jstephens61 09-Feb-21
midwest 09-Feb-21
Gunny 09-Feb-21
jstephens61 09-Feb-21
JB 09-Feb-21
Quinn @work 09-Feb-21
JL 09-Feb-21
bowhunter24 09-Feb-21
Casekiska 09-Feb-21
Matt 09-Feb-21
Quinn @work 10-Feb-21
Matt 10-Feb-21
luckydraw 10-Feb-21
Gunny 10-Feb-21
Charlie Rehor 10-Feb-21
milnrick 10-Feb-21
milnrick 10-Feb-21
Gunny 10-Feb-21
Habitat 10-Feb-21
Gunny 10-Feb-21
milnrick 10-Feb-21
Gunny 11-Mar-21
x-man 11-Mar-21
t-roy 11-Mar-21
12yards 11-Mar-21
Gunny 11-Mar-21
Rocky D 11-Mar-21
Burly 11-Mar-21
Gunny 11-Mar-21
Buffalo1 11-Mar-21
Knothead 11-Mar-21
JayG@work 11-Mar-21
Lost Arra 12-Mar-21
EMB 12-Mar-21
Gunny 12-Mar-21
Slate 12-Mar-21
x-man 12-Mar-21
GregS 12-Mar-21
EMB 12-Mar-21
8point 12-Mar-21
Gunny 12-Mar-21
Sean D. 12-Mar-21
BIGERN 12-Mar-21
Slate 14-Mar-21
Gunny 14-Mar-21
JB 15-Mar-21
tradi-doerr 20-Mar-21
YZF-88 20-Mar-21
Gunny 22-Mar-21
From: Gunny
09-Feb-21
Retired from the Marine Corps in 04. Among other things I was awarded 10% disability for each shoulder and had surgery on the left one before I retired.

Fast forward to this past July, I was having shoulder pain so I slowed down lifting weights to almost nothing. Was playing frisbee with my daughter and when I jumped and reach up to catch one, Had terrible pain in my right shoulder. Pain increased so I stopped working out, month later tearing down barn I had similar incident and felt like my shoulder was ripped out. no doctor because I knew something was wrong and was not going to screw up bow season.

Bear season was right around the corner. I didn't practice at all with the bow and shot my bear with a rifle, I did however kill a doe 5 days later with my bow. Hurt like hell, but got it done. more hunting stories but fast forward to today.

I'm scheduled for surgery March 8th to repair partial torn rotator cuff, full tear in labrum. He will also repair bicep tendon and take out a bone spur, There are also some cysts in the labrum. may have some more issues, but should have a full recovery.

I have first season turkey (April 21st), don't know what I'll use, but should be good for bow season.

Been reading for years how everybody else has had to cope with it, and now it's my turn. Have had several different surgeries and know the importance of PT. Can't wait for those torture experts get a hold of me.

Any ideas in prepping the house before surgery? I'm going to change the shower head out with one that has a hose. Right handed and that's the shoulder getting done.

09-Feb-21
Sometimes surgeons will turn loose of part of the bicep without telling the patient. It will give you a "popeye", be sure to ask before surgery. It will reduce your strength about 10% from what I am told. I have had 2 surgeries on EACH shoulder (rotator cuffs). Open surgeries not arthroscopic, both Drs. said they could see better and recovery was about similar time. Still shooting a recurve, never missed a season, had 2 done in '94 then had both done again in '12. Skreeding mud (concrete), sheetrock, concrete forms, underground mining, shooting very heavy recurves all my life took their toll, now dealing with arthritis. Life is good anyway!! Wouldn't change a minute. Good luck! ...Mike

From: jstephens61
09-Feb-21
Must be a Marine thing. Sounds exactly like the damage I had repaired in ‘13. Take it slow and do the PT, don’t over do it. Wiping your butt with left hand takes some practice. Good luck brother.

From: midwest
09-Feb-21
Can't help you but thank you for your service.

From: Gunny
09-Feb-21
Surgeon told me he was going to release the bicep tendon and reattach somewhere else to avoid the popeye. Says it will heal faster that way also. Told me he will also do minimal damage to my tattoo. Can't wait to shoot pain free.

From: jstephens61
09-Feb-21
They’ll probably do a nerve block to send you home. When that wears off, you’ll discover the meaning of pain. Removing that spur, messing with bone, is painful.

From: JB
09-Feb-21
I would also like to thank you for your service. I can't completely sympathize with you as I "only" had rotator cuff repair. My RN wife kept me on schedule with range of motion exercises. Followed PT instructions. It all sucked, but surgery in March and shooting my bow by August made it worthwhile. Sounds like you have been living in pain so recovery might not be so bad. Best of luck to you.

From: Quinn @work
09-Feb-21
Based on what you said is the damage you have no other choice than surgery so you'll have to embrace the suck.

One at home recommendation is to make sure you have an Iceman* (cooler that you fill with ice/water that circulates the ice water to a pad that wraps your shoulder). The little machine is worth it's weight in gold. Thank me later.

From: JL
09-Feb-21
You may want to go back and and talk to your VFW or DAV rep about those service-connected shoulders. Sooner rather than later. I would think a quality recliner or electric bed would be handy to help you find a comfortable resting position as you go thru the recovery. You could have some long nights if you can't find a comfortable position to lay down. You can find an inexpensive electric hospital bed on Craigslist to use and then re-sell it when your recovery is done. Good luck on the surgeries. They don't sound fun.

From: bowhunter24
09-Feb-21
Reclining chair to sleep in, ice machine wrap for shoulder, PT, then bought 50 lb. bow...all good now!

From: Casekiska
09-Feb-21
I got out in '71. I had rotator surgery in 2017. Had to shoot left handed for one season (either that or not hunt) but I was successful. PT may kick you ass, but it's still not as bad as Parris Island! Semper Fi.

From: Matt
09-Feb-21
Never had shoulder surgery but separated my strong side shoulder pretty badly once. While you are doing the plumbing work on the new shower head, install a bidet.

From: Quinn @work
10-Feb-21
Bidet's are great but he still has his other hand to wipe with?

From: Matt
10-Feb-21
"Bidet's are great but he still has his other hand to wipe with?"

How many times have you wiped your @$$ with your off hand? Based on your response, I have to guess never.

From: luckydraw
10-Feb-21
X2 on the left hand wiping LOL also had same side done - bought a new comfy recliner with an electric up and down switch. since I slept in it for a month it was nice to have. Get done asap - should be ok for fall. Good luck

From: Gunny
10-Feb-21
IceMan*, new recliner. Two good ideas. I was just thinking about a new one. I have a big man recliner and think I will shop for a new one as this one has about seen its better days.

10-Feb-21
Good advice above. After the nerve block wore off the pain was brutal for a few days then for three weeks the only short sleep I got was in a recliner with ice on my shoulder. It’s a step back but you will move forward. Good luck.

PS: A year after the rotator repair I had a hip replaced which was easy peasy compared to the shoulder.

From: milnrick
10-Feb-21
Gunny

My wife, Lady Bowhunter, had a similar shoulder ailment in her right (draw arm) and had surgery to repair/reattach the bicep tendon, repair a torn rotator and remove a bunch of calcium deposits (similar to your cysts). The initial surgery was in late 2016, therapy had her shooting her bow in 90 days. She bear and turkey hunted 2017.

The calcium came back and the pins used in tendon had come loose and required a second surgery in summer of 17. The Ortho removed the calcium as well as the pins. Followed the PT regimen and was good-to-go.

She has noticed "popping" sensation that's actually audible when she first draws her bow (50# Prime). It happens once per session, and always the first arrow, so she's now drawing her bow at the start of each hunt.

The Dr said the calcium and shoulder injury were not related to her bow or plinking with her .308, and we don't know what the cause was, we're glad, however, that its behind her.

From: milnrick
10-Feb-21
I had my right shoulder repaired (rebuilt) twice back in the early and mid 70's while on active duty.

Hardest things for me post-surgery was shaving, buttoning shirts and going to the bathroom. You'll figure that all out pretty quick..

You'll be shooting sooner than you think. Start at a low poundage and work your way up.

Hope you have a spendy recovery.

From: Gunny
10-Feb-21
I had a surgery on my left shoulder a year before I retired from active duty. I was back to work in a sling two days later. Obviously on light duty. They removed a ridge of bone spurs, released a tendon, and cleaned out frayed tissues. During PT I developed "Froze Shoulder" and had to go back under to get it all broke loose ( that hurt worse than the surgery).

I asked how long I should take off work, thinking a couple of days, and they said about two-three weeks! I now work from a desk, so do I really need two weeks off? Also working from home. 2-3 weeks!?

From: Habitat
10-Feb-21
I had a scapulara muscle reattached and that was no movement for 8 weeks and that was far worse than the surgery.I could send you my bent rod that you fasten a corn cob on so you don't have to use your left hand.Do your PT and you won't have issues shooting after.Usually a rotator cuff surgery is these little biddy cuts but don't know about yours.My surgery was a 8 inch slice and my daughter had the labrum repair from softball when she was 18.She won't ever throw a softball again but she can shoot a bow no problem.It sometime limits the over hand function

From: Gunny
10-Feb-21
Surgeon told me it will be four separate incisions. The fourth is because of the bicep tendon repair.

Bent rod? I may have to engineer something like that. Was thinking about rigging up an old bench grinder with a paint roller.

From: milnrick
10-Feb-21
Gunny

Give yourself 2 weeks off, even if you work from a desk. Your first inclination will be to use a keyboard while you're in your sling- I made that mistake years ago thinking I could use a typewriter and experienced a bunch of discomfort from continued tendon flexing.

Millie made the same basic mistake thinking she could text and use her iPad with her right hand - flexing hurt the shoulder tendons. She quickly adapted and started using the left hand.

Follow PT directions...

From: Gunny
11-Mar-21
Had my surgery Monday morning. First night was rough, took one oxycodone when the block started wearing off that night. woke up at 4:30 to take another. Tuesday was better and only took a couple ibuprofens. Last night took girlfriend to birthday dinner and had one ibuprofen right before bed. No meds so far today.

Five total incisions. First follow-up doctor's appointment is on the 16th. Can't wait to start using it.

From: x-man
11-Mar-21
I also work from home. I took one week off but, I was back to work three days later. I don't really have to type, just mouse work. Took a while to get used to using my left hand on the mouse. Much more of a learning curve than off-hand wiping...

From: t-roy
11-Mar-21
Sounds promising so far, gunny. Hopefully the healing process goes well for you!

From: 12yards
11-Mar-21
Put an "X" on your right shoulder so he doesn't do the wrong one. Best of luck! It's in my future as well.

From: Gunny
11-Mar-21
12 yards, had surgery on the 8th. He did the correct one.

From: Rocky D
11-Mar-21
Doctor recommended to me to rent an electric recliner and even slept in it! I was lucky because I had zero pain throughout the entire process. Doctor made take pain pills so the muscle would relax and heal better. He also told me that it would take a year to recover completely and it did strength wise. I am probably going to have to get the other one done within the next year.

From: Burly
11-Mar-21
Recovery sucks, but it will get better. Just follow PT and Docs orders to the tee. You don't want to go threw it again.

From: Gunny
11-Mar-21
I was prescribed muscle relaxers but not informed on why to use them.

Very pleased with the surgical hospital the surgeon used and how professional they were. The sent me home with an “Iceman” which I used the first night for a bit, and assume will be useful when PT starts.

From: Buffalo1
11-Mar-21
Things you will need to learn how to do.

1. Learn how to wipe your butt with opposite hand/arm

2. Learn how to put tooth paste on a tooth brush

3. Learn how to eat pasta with the opposite hand.

4. Learn to let people cut your food for you

5. Learn to like gym shorts and sweat pants because you won’t be able to zip your zipper.

6. Learn to accept help when drying off from a shower

7. Learn to take orders from your PT and don’t violate the orders

8. Learn not to go to buffets- can’t carry a tray alone with one hand/arm.

9. Dump pain meds after 3 days and learn ice is your “new best friend.”

10. Learn how to operate with one hand on computer/cellphone.

Best of luck with your surgery.

From: Knothead
11-Mar-21
I am recovering from the exact same surgery I had Feb. 16th. Torn labrum and partial tear of rotator cuff. Finishing up with week 3 of physical therapy tomorrow and pretty happy with everything so far. The inconveniences people have mentioned are spot on. A little embarrassing when you have to ask your daughter to buckle your pants and zip you up. My physical therapist said I should be able to start shooting my bow at the 11-12 week period depending on PT success. Good luck!

From: JayG@work
11-Mar-21
I had my right shoulder rebuilt a couple years ago. I recovered pretty quickly. I had 3 complete tears in my ligaments that held everything together and my supraspinatis was so ripped that they had to use a bovine tendon to repair it. It took a while to mend, but i got back shooting within 3 1/2 months. Good luck and God bless.

From: Lost Arra
12-Mar-21
PT's = Physical Terrorists disguised as attractive, always-happy, ex-cheerleaders who enjoy human suffering. But it works.

From: EMB
12-Mar-21
I haven't had your surgery , but I broke the proximal head of my right humerous diagonally across the ball, basically in half, in a tree stand fall. I have a plate, 6-9 screws, and an 8 inch scar. Shoulder recovery and rehab is tough, and you can never ever give up on yourself. Here's what I learned that may help you:

1. Ice is your new best friend no matter how you apply it. Stay away from the pain meds, they will f--- you up, and you don't really need them. Pain is only a temporary condition. 2. Doctors and PTs will try to impose "realistic" goals. I was told not to expect to do many things and to expect only 95% recovery. I refused to accept that and overcame them all. 3. You sound like a gym rat like me. Use your PT to help you learn what to do then use your gym experience and discipline to get it done. My PT was only 3x a week, and insurance only paid for a limited amount of PT sessions. So your recovery is pretty much on you. My gym time was and still is 6x a week. My self-imposed sessions were much worse than my PT could ever dish out. Enjoy the suck, don't complain, and just get it done. Dr. Google can be your friend. I read a lot on shoulder anatomy and learned a lot of stretches and exercises that helped me. 4. Wiping your butt, eating, and doing anything else left handed is interesting, but it beats having someone else do it for you. It'll pass-eventually. 5. I got hurt in November and was out of the hospitals early March. I bow hunted in September. Low poundage and some issues, but I was back in the game. I began by shooting 2 arrows. I didn't care where they hit the target. And, that was all I could do in the beginning. You will be back in the game too. 6. Be patient with yourself and refuse to get frustrated or discouraged. Healing takes time and no amount of hard work will shorten that time. 7. Injuries like these are only temporary.

Good luck.

From: Gunny
12-Mar-21
Thanks for all the info guys. Started this thread for information from guys who have been there done that, to share with others who may have it happen. Surgery was Monday and I'm two days meds free as of today.

I want to start doing some exercises but have been told not to push it, especially with the repaired bicep tendon. I've been told in the past to use my pain as a gauge, and that is the wrong thing to tell me. I will go past the pain threshold for gains. (Marine Corps runs deep). When my left shoulder was done, I did everything they told me plus, and still developed a froze shoulder and had to go back in under to loosen it up. That one was only spurs and torn tissues from the impingement. This one was much worse.

Thanks again for any information and any/all advice.

From: Slate
12-Mar-21
I had my turn. Good luck it’s well worth it

From: x-man
12-Mar-21
The biceps tendon was the most painful and took the longest to heal & rehab for me. Follow your PT and don't do anything extra for at least 6 weeks.

From: GregS
12-Mar-21
Gunny I had my left shoulder done last Friday. Same repairs as yours w/o the cysts. I kept to the ice for 6 days to minimize the swelling. One quarter of my chest looks a yellow/gold/green rainbow.

I am hoping that by 5 weeks I am casting a fishing rod, even if it needs to be side arm. lol I have my post surgery appointment with the surgeon on Monday to determine when/what PT is going to be like. Good Luck

From: EMB
12-Mar-21
You'll know the pain that you just have to work through and deal with vs. the pain that is causing injury. I was non-weight bearing for 3 full months while things healed up. During that time PT and OT were daily and non-weight bearing as well. The sole goal then was to keep me moving so that when the time came I could do the real rehab work. You'll need time to heal up as well.

Good luck.

From: 8point
12-Mar-21
I was told three months to heal, not more than 5lb lift for a couple of months, but a full 12 months to be assured everything is right. I jumped the gun, and now only have about 60% use of my right arm. I can draw 50 lbs, and not a pound more. Don't get in a hurry.

From: Gunny
12-Mar-21
GregS, we're only 2-3 days a part. Can't believe how common this injury is. Now that I had it, seems like everyone I talk to has had it. Good to know there are a lot of positive results from it. Lots of good advice from this site.

8point I will heed your advice on not pushing it.

Turkey season on April 21st. Not sure what I'll use, but I will be hunting.

From: Sean D.
12-Mar-21
I go for MRI next Wed. This will be second surgery on same shoulder if it shows tears which Dr. said more than likely is

From: BIGERN
12-Mar-21
Had similar surgery at the end of October. About 90% now and shooting daily, lower poundage for now. Do as instructed by doc and pt and have patience, it will come back. That was my bow arm not draw arm.

From: Slate
14-Mar-21
Well said have patience, it will come back

From: Gunny
14-Mar-21
Was making an omelette for breakfast this morning and almost dropped an egg. I instinctively started to reach for it with my right arm. I almost went to my knees from the pain! Good thing I’m all strapped into this sling or I may have reached further. Sat down for ten minutes until the pain subsided. Ok now, so I don’t think I hurt anything.

14-Mar-21
Best wishes Gunny!

From: JB
15-Mar-21
Unfortunately those "reactions" are tough to avoid. Hope you didn't strain anything! Therapy may feel like you are straining it at times, but you will make it thru this.

From: tradi-doerr
20-Mar-21
Keep at it Gunny TP, but pace it like they tell you to. I had done a complete tare on my left long-head bicep tendon resulting in the Popeye arm, and the MRI's showed I have slight tares in both shoulders of the front/back rotater cups and a very slight tare on right long-head bicep tendon in same place as the left. No surgery for any of it, but after PT I'm able to pull my bow's with very little issue at all, just took a while to get there. Best of luck!!

From: YZF-88
20-Mar-21
Great to hear it’s going well. Really focus on your form during rehab. I’ve had 3 shoulder surgeries and trying to avoid a 4th via preventative rehab. Looks like everyone else gave solid tips. Posting on Bowsite definitely takes longer...but what else are your gonna do now? Just had my scaphoid bolted back together and am in a holding pattern and getting the Youtube algorithm adjusted to hunting shows.

From: Gunny
22-Mar-21
Thanks Tradi and Good luck YZF.

New twist in the recovery. Towards the end of the day, my sciatic nerve in my right side flares up. So bad I can't hardly sleep. Nothing works to relieve the pain. I start my PT today and will see if they have any ideas.

Pretty sure it's happening because I am favoring my right side in everything I do. Any ideas?

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