AZ- Today’s the day
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WapitiBob 20-Mar-21
Charliebuck 20-Mar-21
patience2spare 20-Mar-21
StickFlicker 22-Mar-21
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Bake 22-Mar-21
Heat 22-Mar-21
StickFlicker 22-Mar-21
Medicinemann 28-Mar-21
From: AZ8
26-Feb-21
Good luck everyone!

From: MQQSE
26-Feb-21
It’s gonna take a miracle for me. Never know though!

From: Bake
26-Feb-21
Seriously!!!!?????

I'll be watching my dang card all day!

From: SW73
26-Feb-21
Think they’ll hit cards today?

From: BGbasbhat
26-Feb-21
Yep, should get hits this morning sometime. Good luck you all!

From: lineman21
26-Feb-21
I’m hearing it won’t happen today due to issues with the new portal.

From: SW73
26-Feb-21
It figures! ??

From: AZ8
26-Feb-21
Internet lies! Haha. If they delayed it, then they’d have to change the credit card update deadline. It’s gonna happen.

From: lineman21
26-Feb-21
I hope you’re right. Just what I’ve read elsewhere.

From: WapitiBob
26-Feb-21
The portal is not connected to the draw, never has been. They tried again this year to connect to the database and it's so bad they are entering data into portal accounts by hand.

From: Heat
26-Feb-21
Normally I would say you are correct that we will see hits today, but not so sure about that at this point.

From: Scoot
26-Feb-21
I really want to badmouth the AZ system, but that just seems like a terrible idea at this point. After I don't draw again, I'll let 'er rip though!!! :)

From: Bake
26-Feb-21
Scoot. . . me too. I registered for the Wyoming Portal today, and it was so incredibly much easier for anything to do with Arizona I couldn't believe it. I don't know why their computer system is so crappy. . .

From: TD
26-Feb-21
Just look at how they run elections...... =D

OTOH.... I do have a better shot at drawing an elk tag in AZ than in GA, MI or PA......

26-Feb-21
Or CA, or NV...

From: Heat
26-Feb-21
The system is horrendous! There is really no excuse for such a poor online user environment.

From: AZ8
26-Feb-21
I might be proven wrong! Haha Definitely the longest time from cc deadline to cc hit since they’ve been doing this.

I said it before way back when they decided to “upgrade” their system: They picked the WRONG draw cycle to do this. The AZ elk draw is the most demanding. The fact they chose this draw cycle to make this upgrade shows their ineptitude! If it were a private entity, heads would be rolling for this decision.

From: Knothead
26-Feb-21
How would you like to be a fly on the wall in G&F IT dept right now? I bet some people are cancelling any weekend plans they may have had.

From: WapitiBob
26-Feb-21
I'd rather be in the Directors office to hear when they're going to fire the their IT guy that conned them into this mess.

From: MQQSE
26-Feb-21
Absolute truth. In any private organization this mess would have never been allowed to go this far. Government agencies don’t really give a damn though.

From: Scar Finga
26-Feb-21
No Hits????

From: LINK
26-Feb-21
My credit card got hit. Nobody else’s did?

From: TODDY
26-Feb-21
Calling B.S., and that don't stand for Bowsite..... :0) TODDY

From: LINK
26-Feb-21
lol. Dang, I didn’t get a rise out of anyone. I’m just in for points.

From: wyliecoyote
26-Feb-21
Oh..you did get a rise...I went right to my portal account and checked it out....lucky for you I am a fellow Okie and appreciate the humor !!

Joe (grinning)

From: HoytHntr4
26-Feb-21
Just talked to customer service a little bit ago about an issue with my portal and she told me the draw likely won’t be until next week because of some issues they are having with their system

From: TODDY
26-Feb-21
Well I would really like to know before next week's Utah deadline.

From: pirogue
26-Feb-21
Don’t start loading the truck, even if, and whenever, your card does get hit. 3 yrs ago, I put in for elk and pronghorn point saver. CC got hit for elk tag amount. When portal info was updated, it showed elk unsuccessfull, and successful for a rifle pronghorn. What i ended up with, was lame excuse that “computer had a glitch”, and a refund.

From: MQQSE
26-Feb-21
GAME AND FISH NEWS Feb. 26, 2021

2021 elk, pronghorn hunt draw in progress

PHOENIX — The Arizona Game and Fish Department (AZGFD) reminds hunters that the processing of draw applications for 2021 elk and pronghorn hunt permit-tags is underway. The deadline to submit applications was Feb. 9.

AZGFD continues to validate a record 170,000 applications, an increase of almost 18,000 over last year. As a reminder, a customer’s receipt is verification that their application was received by the department. There is no need to contact the department if a customer cannot view data (such as submitted applications, bonus points, license purchases) in their personal portal account at this time.

AZGFD expects to resolve this inconvenience once the draw has been completed and hunt permit-tags are issued. In the meantime, the department appreciates the continued support and patience of its valued customers.

There also is no need to contact the department about draw results. AZGFD will post an announcement on its website and social media channels when draw results are available. All hunt permit-tags will be mailed by April 2.

From: MQQSE
26-Feb-21
Jeez! Have some patience!!

From: AZ8
26-Feb-21
They've never sent out a letter like that AFTER the credit card deadline has passed. Thats pretty much a STFU letter to everyone.... lol......One thing they better add is an extension to the credit card update feature. How many guys played by their rules and now risk the possibility of their credit card getting compromised after the fact. It would only be fair they open up the credit card update feature again until they're actually ready.

From: TD
26-Feb-21
All in good time I guess.

Right now I'm kinda like a dog chasing a car..... I'm barking, running and trying like hell..... but not a clue as what to do if I happen to catch it.....

From: Chuckster
27-Feb-21
Our fate is already sealed, we just don't know what it is. Interesting observation regarding the CC's AZ8. Hopefully cards will be hit early this week. Good luck to all..

From: Zim
27-Feb-21
18,000 More applicants this year. Ya we need more hunter recruitment. It's a dying sport.

From: TODDY
27-Feb-21
Zim, where did you pull that 18,000 stat from? AZGF Website?

From: Brijake
27-Feb-21
It’s on the post above where MQQSE copied and pasted the AZ email

From: StickFlicker
27-Feb-21
Toddy, it was in the G&F email that was quoted above.

From: TODDY
27-Feb-21
Lol!! I'm blind as a bat some days, thanks!

From: trkyslr
27-Feb-21
18000 seems like a huge jump in actual hunters. Been rumors last few years in Cali that non hunters (peta and other libs) have been buying 1,000s of tags to save the animals and sway the actual harvest data against animal numbers/hunters with an agenda. Wonder if this is spreading to az and other states.... or even true.

From: TD
27-Feb-21
I have some doubts as to anti's applying. Having to buy a license to apply, that's a decent monetary commitment on the CHANCE they may cancel out a tag. I'm sure there are a few whackos out there, but most will lose their dedication quickly as the effort and commitment step up past twitter posts.... EDIT: Forgot the resident whacko participation is a fair bit cheaper..... have NR on the mind I guess.....

So NOBODY has seen any CC hits yet? Nada, nothing?

From: StickFlicker
28-Feb-21
Anti-hunters buying tags and not killing would only be a short-term form of saving animal lives. As hunt success went down, G&F would issue more permits going forward to harvest the same number of animals.

28-Feb-21
Mines pending... :-)

From: BULELK1
01-Mar-21
When I read the 18,000 in the email, I was thinking it would be the 0 point pool.

Thinking it over it could be those that have decided to actually apply instead of getting just a point and could be a mixture of many point pools.

Interesting,

Robb

From: MQQSE
01-Mar-21
It could also be people who always applied for elk and now decided to apply for antelope and the other way around too. Any way you look at it, 18,000 seems like a lot to me.

From: sticksender
01-Mar-21
Virtually every western state, post-pandemic, saw a big increase in controlled hunt applications and license sales. In Arizona last year (2020), there were 155,000 people with elk bonus points and 134,000 with pronghorn points. So an increase of 18,000 would be roughly a 6% increase. Based on what happened in other states, that doesn't sound too far-fetched.

From: Olink
01-Mar-21
Has anyone else seen a CC hit? Are they done hitting the cards?

From: Chuckster
01-Mar-21
Olink, no cards have been hit yet. We still have a chance..

From: elktrax
01-Mar-21
April

From: Heat
01-Mar-21
I have no idea when we will know but this new portal roll out a month before the draw really messed it up. Since some people have portal info on their apps and other like me don't they will not complete the draw until everybody's info is updated. That could take a long while when you have to manually input the information.

01-Mar-21
Where the Hell are the results? The New Mexico deadline is almost here.

From: WapitiBob
02-Mar-21
Zero reason to update any portal info, they should have just turned it off. It has no bearing the draw process.

From: BULELK1
02-Mar-21
Iddy------> Utah this week too, deadline to apply.

Good luck, Robb

From: Heat
02-Mar-21
It sure seems that way though when you log onto your portal and see "Looks like you did not apply for the most recent Big Game Draw!"

From: TD
02-Mar-21
Are we there yet???

02-Mar-21
It’s broken...

From: MQQSE
02-Mar-21
Tomorrow is what I heard. They said it’s the best day ever invented.

From: BULELK1
03-Mar-21
HaHa!!

Good one MQ but I like Everyday is Saturday too!

Good luck, Robb

From: Matt
03-Mar-21
Someone needs to have the mods change the title to "AZ - this month's the month?"

From: AZ8
03-Mar-21
IT department at G&F!

From: BGbasbhat
03-Mar-21
lol

From: Olink
03-Mar-21
If anyone was waiting for AZ CC hits before doing their Utah apps, don't forget that tomorrow (3/4) is the UT deadline!

03-Mar-21
^^^ This is where those 18,000 new applicants come from...You must like competition!

From: lineman21
04-Mar-21
Anyone read this thread?

https://www.coueswhitetail.com/forums/topic/99218-tick-tock/

Some interesting stuff in there regarding people using their nonhunting, elderly mothers and fathers to accumulate bonus points to draw primo tags and then transferring the tag to grandkids to hunt. Sure, I suppose that’s legal but man that’s pretty shady and comes at the expense of someone else who has waited for that tag. Thoughts?

From: BGbasbhat
04-Mar-21
lineman21, if AZGFD has the rule and allows it, then I do it.

I've been putting my wife in for points for almost a decade now, with the full intent of transferring them to my boys when they can hunt. Even on youth cow hunts, they would be lucky to draw twice in youth ages 10-18. So, along with this potential, I want to try and get them another tag or two during this time.

I grew up in MO with tons of hunting opportunity. AZ has a fraction of that opportunity, so just trying to my boys a shot at catching the hunting bug.

From: lineman21
04-Mar-21
BG, you make some good points. I have a son that I would love to take to Arizona hunting. I can see why you and many others do it. Not trying to be a “holier than thou” type here but it just doesn’t seem right to me. I feel like it sends the message to the kids that it’s ok to manipulate the system if the system allows it. Not saying I’m right or you’re right. I was unaware that folks were doing it and a bit taken aback by it.

From: Bake
04-Mar-21
So. . . . Does anyone know when/if they’ll ever draw? I’d like to know what date and time I can get all excited only to come crashing down to earth

From: BGbasbhat
04-Mar-21
All good lineman21. I agree with you on sticking with my principles, as I do with 99% of my life...but when it comes to instilling hunting with my boys...i'll do anything that is legal.

From: TD
04-Mar-21
Are we there yet???

04-Mar-21
Also legal: Abortion, Satan worship, and dressing in the clothes of the opposite sex.

Loopholes exist in many facets of life and often times get closed eventually because they're not "right." Everyone else has the same limited opportunity that you and your boys do.

This post is really judgmental and I apologize for that. But I just don't agree with the "if it's legal, then it's ok" logic. And I practice what I preach and don't exploit loopholes that I could financially afford to exploit.

From: Huntcell
04-Mar-21
Bear Point transfer is very big in Wis . an interesting feature I recently found out about, is points are considered part of the deceases estate and can still be transferred even after the person dies. The legacy continues, wait until that feature catches on out west. transfer 30 sheep points to the next generation and the next.

The year 2069 Great-grandson Hiram Ledbetter finally draws with 80 points.

From: Knothead
04-Mar-21
I actually agree with the ability to transfer points on to someone else after you leave this earth. You bought and paid for them, they have value, they are yours so why shouldn't a person be able to pass them on?

From: sticksender
04-Mar-21
Because most point systems are already broken, and artificially increasing someone's point total to push them ahead of others, who may have already waited a lifetime to draw, is not right.

But then again, I guess we're getting way off-topic here ;-)

From: BGbasbhat
04-Mar-21

BGbasbhat's Link
IdyllwildArcher, understood and I'm just fine being judged:)!! It is not a loophole here in AZ, but an actual endorsed program by AZGFD...which is why they intentionally limit the transfer ability to youth (ages 10-18).

https://www.azgfd.com/hunting/tagtransfer/

I could absolutely see your objection if tag transfers could be to ANY age; however, getting youth hooked on hunting in AZ is a challenge.

From: TD
05-Mar-21
Are we there yet???

From: 'Ike'
05-Mar-21
How about now?!?

06-Mar-21

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From: MQQSE
06-Mar-21
I predict March 17th. Let’s do over and under. If I had to guess I would predict over for March 17.

Since this thread is worn out, who thinks over or under?

From: elktrax
06-Mar-21
Bonus points don't even exist. How do you own a point.. Inanimate object. Just saying... lol

From: Rocky D
07-Mar-21
“ I've been putting my wife in for points for almost a decade now, with the full intent of transferring them to my boys when they can hunt. Even on youth cow hunts, they would be lucky to draw twice in youth ages 10-18. So, along with this potential, I want to try and get them another tag or two during this time.””

BG, while teaching your boys hunting and gaming the system I would be careful of what else that you are teaching them.

“Victory without honor is an unsavory dish” Joe Paterno

From: Knothead
07-Mar-21
“Victory without honor is an unsavory dish” Joe Paterno

This quote coming from the guy who looked the other way as young boys were getting raped & molested. You know what they say about people who live in glass houses.

From: Rocky D
07-Mar-21
I figured joe would get some comments but that doesn’t invalidate the the words. I am sure he was literally living out their resounding truth.

07-Mar-21

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Haaa!

From: c3
08-Mar-21
LOL @"ike"

I couldn't stop laughing as it's exactly the conversation with my kids and a few buddies.

Good luck everyone !!! Praying they don't call to change my card as I put in for the wrong unit and specifically changed my card so they wouldn't. Now with all the delays, I'm not so sure what will happen with a bad card #

Cheers, Pete

From: huntinelk
08-Mar-21
GAME AND FISH NEWS March 8, 2021

AZGFD continues to process 2021 elk, pronghorn hunt draw applications

PHOENIX — The Arizona Game and Fish Department (AZGFD) is asking hunters for a bit more patience as staff continues to process a record number of draw applications for 2021 elk and pronghorn hunt permit-tags, as well as validate bonus points.

In recent years, AZGFD would have been expected to make draw results available by this time. This year, hunters submitted more than 170,000 draw applications, shattering last year’s record of more than 153,000. Another record: More than 214,000 applicants either applied for hunts or bonus points, compared to 194,000-plus in 2020.

As a result of the increased workload, hunters should know that AZGFD remains committed to ensuring the accuracy of draw results and providing quality customer service. The department will announce on its website and social media channels when draw results become available. All hunt permit-tags will be mailed by April 2.

In the meantime, some customers may not be able to view personal data (such as bonus points, submitted applications, bonus points, license purchases) in their AZGFD portal account at this time. AZGFD expects to resolve this inconvenience once the draw process has been completed and hunt permit-tags are issued. As a reminder, a customer’s receipt is verification that their application was received by the department.

AZGFD is aware that hunters are anxious to find out if an elk or pronghorn hunt permit-tag will have their name on it. To that point, there is no need to contact the department about draw results. Once again, AZGFD appreciates the patience and support of its valued customers. Did you know? The Arizona Game and Fish Department conserves and protects Arizona’s 800+ wildlife species but receives NO Arizona general fund tax dollars. Contribute to our on-the-ground conservation efforts at www.AzWildlifeHero.com.

The Arizona Game and Fish Department receives Federal assistance from the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, and thus prohibits discrimination on the basis of race, color, religion, national origin, disability, age and sex pursuant to Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, Title IX of the Education Amendments of 1972, the Age Discrimination Act of 1975, Section 504 of the Rehabilitation Act of 1973 and Title II of the Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990. To request an accommodation or informational material in an alternative format or to file a discrimination complaint please contact the Director’s Office at (623) 942-3000 or by mail at 5000 West Carefree Highway, Phoenix, AZ 85086. Discrimination complaints can also be filed with the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, Office of Diversity and Inclusive Workforce, Attention: Public Civil Rights and Disability Coordinator, 5275 Leesburg Pike, Falls Church, VA 22041. Arizona Game & Fish Dept. · 5000 W. Carefree Hwy, Phoenix, AZ 85086 (602) 942-3000 · www.azgfd.gov Arizona Game and Fish Department · 5000 West Carefree Highway · Phoenix · Arizona · 85086

From: AZ8
08-Mar-21
.....meanwhile, we’ll lock up your app for 2+ weeks and if your credit card gets stolen, well, gfy......and thanks for the $13/15!! :)

From: HFlier
08-Mar-21
Honestly their press release seems like BS to me. Computers don't care how many people applied. Now if they are doing the draw by hand, then I would get it. Better to say we are all jacked up and here is the date things will happen, but always as with any Gov. agency you never get the real truth. I'm sure they are good folks, just handling this poorly.

08-Mar-21
That's exactly what I was thinking HF. The difference of an increase of <20% should translate into an additional nanosecond of computation time for a computer if the system isn't programmed incorrectly in the first place.

From: WapitiBob
08-Mar-21
Well, they are doing them by hand.

From: 'Ike'
08-Mar-21
^^^ I thought this as well...

09-Mar-21
This reminds me of the last election...

From: MQQSE
09-Mar-21
I said it before and I’ll say it again. If this wasn’t the fantasy fun world of the government, the people who set this all up would be looking for new jobs. With it being government it’s just March.

From: Treeline
09-Mar-21
Must be those extra van loads of applications that came in at 3 AM thaws need to add up! Those Dominion machines being used for this year’s applications might be having a little difficulty with the higher math... Make sure every application counts;-)

From: wilbur
09-Mar-21
GAME AND FISH NEWS March 8, 2021

AZGFD continues to process 2021 elk, pronghorn hunt draw applications

PHOENIX — The Arizona Game and Fish Department (AZGFD) is asking hunters for a bit more patience as staff continues to process a record number of draw applications for 2021 elk and pronghorn hunt permit-tags, as well as validate bonus points.

In recent years, AZGFD would have been expected to make draw results available by this time. This year, hunters submitted more than 170,000 draw applications, shattering last year’s record of more than 153,000. Another record: More than 214,000 applicants either applied for hunts or bonus points, compared to 194,000-plus in 2020.

As a result of the increased workload, hunters should know that AZGFD remains committed to ensuring the accuracy of draw results and providing quality customer service. The department will announce on its website and social media channels when draw results become available. All hunt permit-tags will be mailed by April 2.

In the meantime, some customers may not be able to view personal data (such as bonus points, submitted applications, bonus points, license purchases) in their AZGFD portal account at this time. AZGFD expects to resolve this inconvenience once the draw process has been completed and hunt permit-tags are issued. As a reminder, a customer’s receipt is verification that their application was received by the department.

AZGFD is aware that hunters are anxious to find out if an elk or pronghorn hunt permit-tag will have their name on it. To that point, there is no need to contact the department about draw results. Once again, AZGFD appreciates the patience and support of its valued customers.

From: BOWUNTR
09-Mar-21
An update to tell us there is no update. This tells me they are having serious problems... They would have been better off to keep us in the dark. Heads would be chopped if this was a private company. Ed F

From: LINK
09-Mar-21
I wish I applied for a tag instead of points. Maybe in the chaos I’d actually have a chance of drawing.

From: Bake
09-Mar-21
THis just has to happen the first year I put in for an elk tag in 12 years. . . . And of course the card company has reissued me a new card, even though mine will not be expired for some time. I haven't activated it. Wondering how long until they automatically deactivate the old one and I get screwed over.

This is absolutely ridiculous. I'm sorry, but I've been bitching for years about the unwieldy AZ system. It's extra ridiculous when other states have such easy and simple processes. I signed up for the Wyoming portal in literally 2 minutes.

It is 2021. There really is no excuse for this anymore.

If the government can't handle it (no F'ing surprise), then outsource it to a private company that will do it right.

From: AZ8
09-Mar-21
Bake, that sucks. This is the real issue now as the CC window expands.

Here’s a crazy stat. The application period was open for 20 days. The update CC feature has now been closed for 12 days and counting. The window between the CC closed feature and actual draw may be longer than the application period was open. Lol

From: StickFlicker
09-Mar-21
Bake, when your credit card company sends you a new one, it typically has the same number just a new expiration date. Any charges on the old card should be honored without a problem. You can call and ask them what will happen to any charges made to your old card. I suspect you will be fine.

From: AZ8
09-Mar-21
But the new card will have a new 3 digit security code that will invalidate the old card.

09-Mar-21
How about now?!? :-)

10-Mar-21
Hi, low for Friday?!?

10-Mar-21
There's as many predictions regarding the AZ draw as there are about the end of the world.

And they both continue to all be wrong!

From: TD
10-Mar-21
Well, they best get with it..... my divorce lawyer's schedule is filling up and I need to make sure I get to him before, um, somebody else does..... you know, if I have to.....

From: BOHNTR
10-Mar-21
I got hit!

......with a big sleepy waiting on the draw. :)

From: AZ8
10-Mar-21
Looks like the credit card update is open again until Friday 5pm. It was the right move.

https://www.azgfd.com/azgfd-offers-final-opportunity-to-update-credit-card-information/

From: Bake
10-Mar-21
Successfully updated. Thank goodness

13 years and finally out in for elk . . . Would have stunk to lose out for this

11-Mar-21
Extended the credit card update till Friday at 5:00 pm? That tells me they’ve really screwed it up this year.

From: AZ~Rich
11-Mar-21
Hmmm, so if it was that compromised they have to run all the drawings again, then what about those applicants who saw hits on their cc prior to now? Will those be honored or dissolved? I can’t see how anything resembling fair could come out of this if they don’t run the whole process from scratch so everyone is included not just those who have not seen cc hits yet.

From: AZ~Rich
11-Mar-21
Hmmm, so if it was that compromised they have to run all the drawings again, then what about those applicants who saw hits on their cc prior to now? Will those be honored or dissolved? I can’t see how anything resembling fair could come out of this if they don’t run the whole process from scratch so everyone is included not just those who have not seen cc hits yet.

From: BGbasbhat
11-Mar-21
BOHNTR your CC got hit? I think you are only the 2nd person I've heard. ...

lol, sorry it was early...didn't catch the joke.

11-Mar-21
Not surprised. A few years ago I drew a rifle deer tag for a unit (33) I didn’t apply for. When I told them the response was “ if you don’t like it don’t go”. End of story. Since then I always print copies of my apps as proof.

From: AZ8
11-Mar-21
AZ-Rich: not one cc has been hit. The few people saying they’ve been hit was said in jest or are f.o.s.

From: Heat
11-Mar-21
We're not there yet, but we're getting closer!

11-Mar-21
"We're not there yet, but we're getting closer [to the deer/sheep draw]!

Fixed that for you Nick :)

11-Mar-21
Well damn, there goes my money on Friday...

From: Heat
11-Mar-21
Thanks Ike, this is true, LOL!

From: Tilzbow
11-Mar-21
MT implemented a new system. I applied yesterday and it’s way better than their old system. I’m told they used the same company NV uses to design, implement and manage it. Not sure if that’s true but it was definitely done by a private entity. I’m not sure why AZ can’t figure out designing a computer based draw system with a web interface isn’t in their wheelhouse.

From: elkmtngear
11-Mar-21
"I’m not sure why AZ can’t figure out designing a computer based draw system with a web interface isn’t in their wheelhouse".

They should coordinate with Maricopa County...I'm sure they have a warehouse full of those Dominion machines...lol !

11-Mar-21
I just want to know so I can apply for WY....

12-Mar-21
If you're talking elk Ike, you're a little late for WY...

12-Mar-21
No sir, Deer and Lopes...

From: huntinelk
12-Mar-21
Does anybody know or have an educated guess on how long the actual draw process takes once they push the start button?

From: Huntcell
12-Mar-21
You can apply for Wy preference points, the deadline is way latter this year.

From: pirogue
12-Mar-21
Ike, WY is holding out elk tag money for 4+ months. Can’t imagine anyone in a hurry to let them hold our deer and pronghorn tag money.

From: pirogue
12-Mar-21
Ike, WY is holding out elk tag money for 4+ months. Can’t imagine anyone in a hurry to let them hold our deer and pronghorn tag money.

12-Mar-21
That's why I won't apply until end of May...Least Ill know AZ is out of way...Lol

12-Mar-21
Well, I guess they’re going to give you the weekend to think about it....And hopefully not have your CC compromised...

From: BOHNTR
12-Mar-21
Who cares.....it will post when it posts

From: t-roy
12-Mar-21
Any truth to the rumor that the people running this, trained under the same people that ran the Iowa Democratic party caucuses last year??

13-Mar-21
^^^ Lol

From: BOHNTR
13-Mar-21
Ha...

13-Mar-21
I predict game and fish will next extend the credit card update to October

13-Mar-21
Just heard from a friend, whose friends girlfriend knows a guys aunt, who has a really good friend who knows a guy, that has a friend whose wife, knows a lady, whose husband knows a guy...That guy knows a guy, whose friend lives next to a state worker, who said it’ll be Monday...

From: AZ8
13-Mar-21
Hard to believe I started this thread 16 days ago and we still haven't seen the intial credit card hit!

From: Cedarv
14-Mar-21
I’m sure game and fish feels just horrible about this

14-Mar-21
Ya they do

From: TD
15-Mar-21
Are we there yet???

From: Cedarv
15-Mar-21
GOOD ONE TD!!

15-Mar-21
Today's the day...

From: Norseman
15-Mar-21
I just got hit.

Wife is at Target again it appears.

From: smarba
15-Mar-21
HAAA!!! Dang that's cruel Norseman!

15-Mar-21

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From CW....I could actually see this happening...

From: MQQSE
15-Mar-21

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Damn! The only reason they may post tomorrow is because of this prediction. It’s representative of anything I ever bet on.

Good luck to all in the draw.

From: TD
17-Mar-21
I'll take the over.....

Are we there yet????

From: 'Ike'
17-Mar-21
Nope!

17-Mar-21
In other news... AZGFD has announced that archery elk tags are expected to be mailed out by November 24th, 2021. This, however, cannot be confirmed. Stay tuned.

From: AZ~Rich
17-Mar-21
I’m having a really bad day!! Was notified at midnight that my cc was being charged but declined. I confirmed it was fraudulent and they immediately froze my cc. Had to have my card number changed as there is no other way Visa will remedy in these frauds. After a good conversation with AZGF my worst fears were confirmed. Since the initial draw run was not performed on the specified date March 6th, they allowed applicant ccs to be updated for a second time last Friday. I was informed that “no” drawing runs have been performed so far and they were waiting until all applications were fully processed (by hand???) . It sounded like the new system they bought into was failing at some level but they anticipated it would be ready to run the draw sometime this week. Unfortunately, the only way my applications would be viable is if they decided to again reopen another window to update cc’s. Apparently, I’m not alone as they have had many call in already to report new fraudulent cc shutdowns. A slim chance exists for me and my buddy who is on my apps but what else can you to do? They are unfortunately being very rigid with their draw process when ccs are concerned. No options are available to remedy if your card doesn’t process for any reason. Lady Luck has left the room.

From: Cedarv
17-Mar-21
Maybe G and F got hacked. That could explain why others are getting their cards hacked. Seems odd that thee is a run on applicant cards being hacked.

17-Mar-21
I can’t see them ‘not’ going with another CC Open session, with what you described Rich...Especially if they’re still not ready! SMH

From: RYAN
17-Mar-21
My card that I used for applying in Arizona had fraudulent charges on Friday of last week. I was able to update with another card before the deadline but I couldn’t figure out where the numbers got nabbed from. Has anyone else had a compromised card?

17-Mar-21
I also have a friend who put in with his brother who's card just got canceled and reissued yesterday. They called AZ and they're out of luck. Lots of folks are getting screwed by this. And still no one reporting any cc hits...

From: AZ8
17-Mar-21
Going on a week since the SECOND cc update deadline. For those saying there are no problems.....you’re all delusional! lol

18-Mar-21
Well, NM app is in. Can't put that off any longer...

18-Mar-21
At least AZ and NM border each other, so when you draw both....

;-)

From: Scoot
18-Mar-21
Idyll, I waited as long as I could too. Ike I had the same thought too! Unfortunately it's much more likely that I will have neither tag than both.

From: midwest
18-Mar-21
What an utter mess.

From: BOWUNTR
18-Mar-21
There has to be a serious problem.... zero transparency. I'm worried.... Ed F

18-Mar-21
No update to their website regarding the draw in over a week. CC deadline extended to last Friday yet I’ve not heard from anyone who’s card was hit yet. They’ve really screwed it up this time.

From: Riverman
18-Mar-21
The story's of cards getting canceled sux bad. I've had that happen before, but luckily not during draw season. I have 2 cards, 1 for the draws a a few other purchases. And 1 for everything else. Good luck everyone

From: StickFlicker
18-Mar-21
Thanks Obama!!

18-Mar-21
LMAO...

From: SW73
18-Mar-21
We’re from the government and we’re here to help! Right!

18-Mar-21
"At least AZ and NM border each other, so when you draw both...."

Good point. Especially when I pull unit 1 in AZ and 16D in NM :)

Although, good 'ol Murphy's law will probably dictate that I draw 6B in NM and have a longer drive...ahh shucks :)

From: KHunter
18-Mar-21
See you there on both counts Idyll!

18-Mar-21
I'm hoping for an AZ tag and I debated long and hard about applying for NM too. I finally decided that after waiting so many years for an AZ tag I wanted to commit 100% to AZ and didn't want to draw NM the same year so I didn't apply. I sure hope AZ comes through!

From: Heat
18-Mar-21
My apps finally showed up in my portal.

From: TD
18-Mar-21
Some guy in a trench coat standing on a corner in Phoenix..... you walk by, he opens his coat and says "hey, psssst, buddy....need elk tags???"

From: JL
18-Mar-21
Someone should have started to run some squares as to when it will happen. 5 bucks a square...winner take all.

I wonder if other western states are going to have record apps??

From: AZ~Rich
18-Mar-21
Im really very frustrated with their new policy of not helping you if, (from no fault of your own), your cc is comprised ... ”Applicants are responsible for keeping their account information current. If payment is declined at the time of the draw, the application will not be drawn. AZGFD no longer calls customers to obtain payment on drawn applications if their credit card or debit card has been declined.” I believe this lack of fair play will come back to bite them. Lawsuits??

From: Heat
18-Mar-21
Cards are allegedly being hit as I post this.

From: Curt Wells
18-Mar-21
I've been applying with my two sons for a long time and I just go hit for $1,950!

From: creed
18-Mar-21
5BS or 8

From: BGbasbhat
18-Mar-21
Congrats Curt and creed! Nothing for me yet, but I'll keep on hoping....

From: huntinelk
18-Mar-21
Just got a hit, most likely late rifle for my son, mine was an extreme long shot.

From: Norseman
18-Mar-21
About a 3 hour delay for my pending charges to show up. Fingers crossed.

18-Mar-21
Been hovering around this thread to see when they start hitting. Got popped for 3rd tag in 7 years. Gosh if it’s first choice I’ll freak. Probably not though

From: bowhunter1
18-Mar-21
I just got cc hit too,

18-Mar-21
Do they hit residents first, or both

From: bowhunter1
18-Mar-21
Nonresident here

From: 'Ike'
18-Mar-21
Congrats everyone...

18-Mar-21
Congrats bowhunter1 what unit did you draw

From: BOHNTR
18-Mar-21
I’m thinking my wife drew her first archery bull tag! She’s got more than double the points I have. That would be awesome

From: huntinelk
18-Mar-21
Any guesses on how long before they update the portal to show results?

From: Mark S
18-Mar-21
When do you know unit? I put in for 4 great units and looks like I got something on cc for one

From: bowhunter1
18-Mar-21
Elk whisperer that the question I can not answer at this time ,,, hopefully soon though

From: StickFlicker
18-Mar-21
This year is really too screwed up to be able to guess with any certainty when they will be on the portal.

From: Bake
18-Mar-21
How long does it typically take to charge cards? I expected to draw but nothing so far

From: SBH
18-Mar-21
Only government run operations have the freedom to operate like this. How come every single private company in the world is able to facilitate online transactions daily without issue? They have to or they won’t be in business. What a joke.

From: Capra
18-Mar-21
I just received an important memo ! Confirmed from your sisters friend at G&F.

All CC hits are for the drawing application before the actual successful applicant. It is the new " Pay it Forward application system" this is the system that has been adopted and modeled from new Colorado game management system " No Deer for You"

We appreciate all of your kind donations to your fellow hunters.

From: SBH
18-Mar-21
Dbl post

19-Mar-21
I'm expecting to draw but my card hasn't been hit. I just logged into my AZ portal and it shows my application as pending so I still have hope...

From: Cedarv
19-Mar-21
I’m confused... “All CC hits are for the drawing application before the actual successful applicant” What does that mean?

From: Medicinemann
19-Mar-21
Cheesehead Mike, I applied for a very hard to draw unit and I don't have that many points. There is virtually no way that I will draw. However, my AZ portal also shows a "pending" status, and my credit card has not been charged. I'm betting that "pending" just means that they are still working on it. Perhaps they used that description to keep the complaints at bay for a few more days?

From: Medicinemann
19-Mar-21

From: Cedarv
19-Mar-21
I’m confused... “All CC hits are for the drawing application before the actual successful applicant” What does that mean?

From: TD
19-Mar-21
My CC company is asking me "is everything ok over there? your log activity is many times higher than normal....."

So far still at just the same insane balance it's been for some time now...... not up to the "bat chit crazy" or "WTF, go for it" limits yet.....

From: BOHNTR
19-Mar-21
Guys:

The actual draw and credit card hits is SEPARATE from the portal system. It usually takes a week or so AFTER the draw occurs to update your portal account. Everyone’s portal that is in the draw will usually show ‘pending’ until it is updated.

If your card has not been hit by now , then there’s a good chance you have not drawn. There are exceptions, but those are not the norm.

From: KHunter
19-Mar-21
"I'm expecting to draw but my card hasn't been hit. I just logged into my AZ portal and it shows my application as pending so I still have hope..."

No, there is no hope, based on the facts of the situation, sorry to say. Moral of the story for the thousands of guys who over-worry about drawing both NM and AZ? Always put in for amazing NM tags if still waiting on AZ draw results.

All 171,000 or whatever applicants still have 'pending in portal accounts.

From: huntinelk
19-Mar-21
Tell them that you identify as a successful applicant

19-Mar-21
I applied for a unit that applicants with the same number of points as me were 100% successful last year. Looks like it's not 100% this year...

From: Knothead
19-Mar-21
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but with more than 18K more applicants than last year, I'm guessing there is going to be some point creep for most hunts. AZ is supposed to grow by more than 1.3 million people by 2030 so it's only going to get worse.

From: Mark S
19-Mar-21
Believe I have an early archery tag (Sept 10-23) in Unit 1,2B,2C or 10. likely 10. any thoughts on if this is a good tag to have drawn? Thanks for opinions .

From: Junior
19-Mar-21
Id say you have better odds for 1 than 10...but either is possible with the random. Both are great hunts.

19-Mar-21
Well I wouldn't think that those 18k new applicants would have double digit preference points and be able to affect point creep just yet...

From: Knothead
19-Mar-21
Cheesehead Mike, If AZ was preference point state I would tend to go along with you but we are a bonus point state and everyone has a chance of drawing a tag. Albeit a small chance the fewer points you have, there is still a chance. A 12-13 percent increase in applicants in one year is bound to have an affect on the draw.

From: Junior
19-Mar-21
Better rut dates seems to bring the guys that just apply for points to the table.

20-Mar-21
Well,1:30am Saturday just checked my credit card after being out with my girl for a few beers and I discovered I got hit by Arizona for $650. Looks like I'll be bow hunting for bull elk in Arizona this September!

From: creed
20-Mar-21
It’s official. I drew 5BS!

From: Mark S
20-Mar-21
Congrats Creed!

From: huntinelk
20-Mar-21
Portal is updated

From: Castle Oak
20-Mar-21
Nothing for me but I was not expecting anything. I just checked my portal and discovered that my bonus points are incorrect. They somehow shorted me one point. So, you may want to check your points carefully.

From: Junior
20-Mar-21
I don't think they have added 2021 points yet?

From: TD
20-Mar-21
Yeah, portals updated on the draw, that they did pretty quickly. No joy.....but no divorce..... =D

Points not updated yet though. Oh well, guess they've got most of the next year to do that.....

From: Bake
20-Mar-21
Well that’s disappointing

From: WapitiBob
20-Mar-21
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From: Charliebuck
20-Mar-21
I drew hunt 0300! I’m hoping this is points only code. I can’t remember

20-Mar-21
Well.... bummer. Portal is updated and no dice for me. Congrats to you guys that drew tags. I hope you have an incredible adventure!!! Pete

From: StickFlicker
22-Mar-21
Charlie, you probably mean 3000, and yes, that is points only for elk.

From: midwest
22-Mar-21
Congrats to those who drew! Points only for me.

From: Bake
22-Mar-21
So. . . . Does anyone know when/if they’ll ever draw? I’d like to know what date and time I can get all excited only to come crashing down to earth

From: Heat
22-Mar-21
Its a done deal Bake. Check your portal.

From: StickFlicker
22-Mar-21
It's been done for days.

From: Medicinemann
28-Mar-21
Points are updated now.

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