Biden's Plan to Preserve More Wilderness
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midwest 06-May-21
Missouribreaks 06-May-21
Bowfreak 06-May-21
Norseman 06-May-21
DL 10-May-21
drycreek 10-May-21
elkmtngear 10-May-21
Huntcell 10-May-21
Wayjames 10-May-21
BC 10-May-21
ahunter76 10-May-21
WV Mountaineer 10-May-21
Matt 10-May-21
Elkslaya 10-May-21
RK 10-May-21
Tonybear61 10-May-21
John in MO / KY 10-May-21
DL 11-May-21
WYOelker 11-May-21
Jaquomo 11-May-21
bowhunt 11-May-21
elkmtngear 11-May-21
chillkill 12-May-21
Missouribreaks 12-May-21
bowhunt 12-May-21
bowhunt 12-May-21
DL 12-May-21
bobbinhood 12-May-21
Eagle_eye_Andy 12-May-21
Jaquomo 12-May-21
TD 13-May-21
moon 14-May-21
From: midwest

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Lots of unanswered questions...

I am hoping for a positive. Somehow I doubt the best interests of white hunters and trappers will be in the forefront of anyone's thoughts. But, let's see how it goes and perhaps I am wrong.

From: Bowfreak
Whatever the plan is you can guarantee it won't benefit us flyover rubes.

From: Norseman
Refreshing. But not holding my breath.

From: DL
They have started this on Ca coast. This means taking some of the prime hunting and fishing areas and make them off limits. They claim these areas will increase wildlife and have a spillover affect in bordering areas. We have refuges here in Ca and I have hunted deer near them to no avail as have others. It does increase the amount of deer eating predators. This also can also mean private property too. The feds have been after wetlands for a number of years and if this goes through they will be after them for sure. They will cherry pick some of your prime hunting and fishing areas and you won’t be able to hunt or fish there again. They did it here on the coast. Large areas that can no longer be used. We don’t need less areas available to us.

From: drycreek
Without opening the link, I’m inclined to believe exactly what DL said. After 74 years on this planet I think I know what to expect from a democrat politician.

From: elkmtngear
More Government control (in general), seems to be the main objective, of Biden's puppeteers.

Not sure when that was ever a good thing for anyone in this Country.

From: Huntcell
Hang on, wouldn't be long and Republican Gov. Jenner will right all the wrongs and Califor-n i-a will be a paradise once again. (o,o)

From: Wayjames
One thing about Kaitlyn is she is good at making changes! We’ll see

From: BC
Er, just for the record, she's a he.

From: ahunter76
She, he or whatever.. Anything will be an improvement over current so called leaders. I don't care how she piss-s.

It’ll be like most all other political statements. Misleading by design.

From: Matt
As is typically the case, the devil is in the details. Protecting habitat is valuable, but I fear the strings attached may make it a net negative for sportsmen.

From: Elkslaya
Especially when the strings are being manipulated by the socialist puppeteers. Notice that is plural as in more than 1

From: RK
Yea. There is nothing positive for any American that will come from any Biden policy

Democratic Socialists on this site should be So proud.

From: Tonybear61
There is HUGE difference between a preservationist (e.g. no hunting, no fishing, no hiking, camping-NO ACCESS, NO HUMANS) and Conservation (hunters and anglers, trappers typically paying the bill but protecting the wild and wild places by appropriate management). Humans have been a part of the wilderness as long as humans have been around, not meant to be an observer but a participant. With the bowhunting history going back maybe as much as 180,000 years absolutely no good reason archers shouldn't have access. Besides arrows penetrate those Kevlar vests on the deerz so much easier. Com'n man!!

Good information about this on The MeatEater Podcast today. Whit Fosburg from Teddy Roosevelt Conservation Partnership was the guest.

From: DL
All you need to do is look at all the people who are for this and Pushing it. #1, the UN Google 30 by 30 and just see who is wanting this. A lot of the same people that don’t like hunters.

From: WYOelker
this is going to be a disaster. Nothing good will come from the BIden administration in this area. They have already proven incompetent on the border, on fuel/energy, on taxes, spending(actually they are very good at spending, but not good for the citizens), China, North Korea, The middle east, etc. The only thing they can call a success is the Vaccine rate, which was already set up by the previous administration and was already rolling.

This will be a mess...

From: Jaquomo
It really pisses me off that "preservationists" have now co-opted the term "conservationists" because it sounds much softer and more cooperative. And the media talking heads promote the fallacy because they're too stupid to understand the difference. "Preservationist" has disappeared from 21st century vernacular except for people trying to save historic buildings.

From: bowhunt

bowhunt's Link
I am all for preservation, I do have some concerns about how some of these private organizations get control of large swaths of land, and what happens after they take it over.

Attached is a link for a pretty large area that is owned by a nature conservancy in my state. You can’t even go hiking on a trail there since March of 2020, due to Covid 19!

The last year and a half I have seen tons of outdoor areas closed to access around my state.

From what I have seen here in Oregon, the feds have seemed to limit access the least. State, county, city, and the conservation groups seem a lot more prone to full closures to public access at a whim.

When these conservation groups get involved I also see public access restricted to only certain times of the year, like 4 months out of the whole year, or not at all.

I love the idea of preserving wild places with the public being allowed to access it.

I hate the idea of our government partnering with private entities to buy up land, and shutting us out of it.

From: elkmtngear
"I hate the idea of our government partnering with private entities to buy up land, and shutting us out of it".

Yes, especially, the current Government !

From: chillkill
Look its 270 acres hardly the end of the world.. They are here in nzd as well as a number of other countries. And as deer/ elk/ bears and all the rest are native American animals they will not be advocating for their destruction and removal... Perhaps you should team up with like minded people and buy land for yourselves...

Keep an eye on the American Prairie Reserve. They have the formula to deceit hunters with short term promises. Hunters can be so gullible and short term minded.

From: bowhunt

bowhunt's Link
Link to press release about this executive order.

CHILLKILl, I don’t think I have any right to someone’s private lands. I am all for private land owner rights. I just don’t want our tax dollars used to partner with private organizations to buy land, and then put it under their control.

Read the press release, there is a very strong emphasis on tribal lands. Driving on highway 26 through the warm springs reservation most of the gravel roads have no trespassing signs that lead into the woods off the highway. No public access.

My opinion is if US tax dollars are going to be used to protect or acquire lands, public access should be part of the deal. The access should also be like the access we have on US forest service lands.

Here in Oregon large landowners can get grants for hundreds of thousands of dollars for habitat restoration. It makes that persons land very desirable for wildlife. There is no public access, landowners charge for hunts. I don’t want to subsidize the landowners guided hunt operations.

I don’t want the money taken from me by the government given to who ever has the best lobbyists to get that money.

From: bowhunt
“The report calls for a decade-long effort to support locally led and voluntary conservation and restoration efforts across public, private, and Tribal lands and waters in order to create jobs and strengthen the economy’s foundation; tackle the climate and nature crises; and address inequitable access to the outdoors.”

...address inequity in access to the outdoors?

I’ve seen this crap before too.

They claim “people of color” don’t have the same access to public lands as white people.

From: DL
Where I used to live there were conservancy groups that would buy up land and then give it to BLM to manage. They put stipulations on it that there was to be no hunting.

From: bobbinhood
The ONLY thing BIDEN is good for is testing "BROAHEADS ON"! POS!!!!!!!

From what I’ve read and discussed about this it will be worked out through USDA specifically NRCS by using CRP and other voluntary conservation programs that oftentimes leverage state and local funding to provide incentives to landowners and producers to adopt and apply conservation practices. In other words look for a HUGE Farm Bill increase in farm Bill program funding. Just my $.02.

From: Jaquomo
"Wolf in sheep's clothing" comes to mind whenever these schemes are proposed...

From: TD
Biden has a plan? huh.... somebody maybe, but not President Houseplant.

Lou, the word weasels love this stuff as most folks don't grasp the differences of "conservation" vs "preservation" as these people do the same with "equity" vs "equality". Differences that can be polar opposites in practice but most never even consider there are any differences at all. No accident, the misdirection is intentional as they are dishonest people at heart. But justified in their minds, as it's all for your own good, of course..... here's a cookie, now go sit down..... is that rain I feel running down my back?

From: moon
Never trust a democrap .. be aware of Agenda 21

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