Will they get the required signatures?
"It will also criminalize common animal husbandry practices, slaughter for food ..."
No 'slaughter for food'?
Should be pretty easy to whack this silliness out of the park.
Oh Missouri, don’t forget the attacks on the 1st and 2nd Amendments, critical race theory, and the open assaults on hunters and hunting.
Our left leaning brethren tells us that it is so much more complex than that but I don’t know. Seems pretty simple to me.
That’s the two camps we have in this nation today. And, that’s about as blunt and accurate as it could be described. The only other option is shooting liberal America in the face for it’s treason against the citizens living under the constitution of the United States of America. It would leave a lot more room and resources for the good folk in this country.
Missing the days when insanity had a social stigma to be treated or helped with rather than a badge of "look at me".....
Oh Missouri, don’t forget the attacks on the 1st and 2nd Amendments, critical race theory, and the open assaults on hunters and hunting.
Our left leaning brethren tells us that it is so much more complex than that but I don’t know. Seems pretty simple to me.
It’s not in their wheelhouse. Sound about right?
"Camps" also put themselves into groups that literally don't physically exist but in somebodies head. Some "identify" as cats, dogs, lil' ponies..... YOU can classify yourself into any "camp" you want. And what you claim and say doesn't mean spit, does not overturn reality nor facts. Attempts to force the rest of the country follow your fantasy certainly puts you into the "camp" of anti-Constitution. Possibly bat-chit crazy.
"My truth"??? My wrinkles...... It's not like picking your personal favorite ice cream flavor. It's like saying ice cream is really broccoli because I say it is.
Clueless, while not as evil as dishonest, is not a virtue. Passion tied to a lie doesn't make the lie any more true. Nor does repeating it enough really make it so. Only so to the clueless.... or disinterested, which many dishonest people count on. They've moved now from "truth to power" to "the only truth is power". And not even trying to hide it anymore.
It is facts, truth.... your actions and results that set you into your "camp", not what you say. Constitutional rights, laws and reality take precedent over fantasy. And bald faced proven lies should be called out, confronted as to what they are. And loudly condemned along with those who would knowingly perpetuate them. There should be no "camps" in those regards. But clearly there are.
Things like voter ID laws, which a great many states already have, the majority of them in fact.... being called "racist" and "Jim Crow 2.0" should have been called out as BS of the worst kind. But "one side" sat on their hands and were OK with such knowing lies. Who might that have been? Those who were good with "fortifying" elections?
One side is clearly fine with lies. Ignores or perpetuates them if it's "for the cause". If you feel such lies are fine then it's pretty clear which "side" you are on. You have selected your "camp".
It's not near as complicated as some would have you believe. It's called the "you just don't understand the many nuances" defense, used when facts and reality supporting a position are um..... inconvenient, or actions/lies indefensible. Elitists always believe they are the smartest folks in the room, the only ones that "really" understand. You wouldn't understand their reasoning, their justifications, ya knuckle draggers.... It's why they are fine with lying.... it's what is needed to herd the sheep..... it's all for your own good, you just don't know it yet....
You know, like people trying to make hunting illegal and supporting, much less voting for such people, because, you know....it's more complicated than that....
No. It snot. It's telling folks "no, really, it's just raining...."
Sorry, all governments, good or bad, are designed and built by people. A few, like ours, are explicitly designed - by people - to protect our rights. Most are not; they're imposed to subordinate the many to the privileged few.
"In order to secure these rights, governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers..." Old Tom J. nailed it.
I have to say, the framers of the Constitution did a good, but not perfect job. (And they did build in a means for amendment/improvement as time passed and flaws became apparent.)
" Article I, Section 8, Clause 1 of the Constitution, the “general Welfare clause,” is often referred to as the “Taxing and Spending Clause” because of its expansive use today. Many people claim it gives the feds the authority to do anything imaginable as long as it “promotes the general welfare” – however one might define it. But this creates a dilemma. Either James Madison and other supporters of the Constitution were lying when they said the powers of the federal government would be “few and defined,” or people have misconstrued the legal meaning of this clause. The existence of enumerated powers resolves this dilemma. As Alexander Hamilton wrote in Federalist #83: “This specification of particulars [the 18 enumerated powers of Article I, Section 8] evidently excludes all pretension to a general legislative authority, because an affirmative grant of special powers would be absurd as well as useless if a general authority was intended.” James Madison reinforced this view in a letter to Henry Lee: “What think you of [Hamilton’s] commentary … on the terms ‘general welfare?’ The federal Govt. has been hitherto limited to the Specified powers… If not only the means, but the objects are unlimited, the parchment had better be thrown into the fire at once.” In a legal document, the enumeration of specific powers logically excludes all powers not listed. This is a legal maxim – Designato unius est exclusio alterius – meaning, “the designation of one is the exclusion of the other.” It follows from this construction that Congress has the authority to tax and spend for the general welfare, but the enumerated powers limit the federal government’s spending power to specific objects. As Rob Natelson put it in his paper, The General Welfare Clause and the Public Trust: “The clause was designed as a trust-style rule denying Congress authority to levy taxes for any but general, national purposes. Because the Clause prevented Congress from using tax revenue for local or special interest purposes, the Clause indirectly qualified the appropriation power. Even if some enumerated power could be enlisted to support the appropriation,317 federal tax money was not to be used for the private benefit of a museum-however worthy-in Savannah, nor an artist-however struggling-in New York.” To take the clause as a general grant of power for the federal government to do anything that promotes the general welfare would, as Madison put it, “would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators.” https://tenthamendmentcenter.com/general-welfare-clause/
Progressives always find an excuse to "make it say what I want it to say", and that is text our of context which is pretext.
pretext [?pr??tekst] NOUN a reason given in justification of a course of action that is not the real reason.
You either recognize God’s values and influence in the founding and establishing of this country. Or, you believe men, guided by human nature has the answers.
It’s a condition of the individual heart. And, telling of which camp you reside in.
Maybe even more dumb is that nobody here calls it out…accept DanaC. Instead they cheer it on. Good grief. Right wing nuts don’t hold the high ground on facts and truth. They are willing to turn an election loss (by vote and courts) into a big enough lie to cause nut jobs to p#%^ all over the Constitution by beating cops to get in the capital building to stop a Constitutional process.
You just can’t make this stuff up. But carry on with your logic yoga.
This can go on all day and is just another way to try to divide Americans.
I do not agree with this animal rights petition but I do stand for their right to bring forth the stupid petition. I don’t have to check any party on how I feel or vote. Same can’t be said for you…you’re given your opinion.
Kick them out of your camps LMAO! My camp has Trumpers, liberals, right wingers, you name it. But we stand on common ground hunters and Americans. Diversity of ideas is a prerequisite. I bet your camp is a barrel of fun.
You’ve spent most of your time here offended. Or, you spend your time here trying to offend with your ideas on everything from your religion, to your twisted understanding of anything that contradicts it. So, that reaction is no surprise.
Start with a blame shift, duh, that's stupid, in light of the fact that you also agree with WV that the ban is wrong, or do you? Are those the people you voted for KS? Now that's where stupidity really lives. Voting for people who despise your lifestyle and seek to deprive you or your rights, and then call other people stupid because they point out the truth to you.
You have to be smaller than a hypocrite to hide behind one.
“End Animal Cruelty,” an animal rights activist group in Oregon, has proposed an initiative to be placed on the 2022 ballot that would eliminate all hunting, fishing, and trapping in the state of Oregon. Initiative Petition 13 (IP 13) would prohibit the injuring and killing of any mammal, fish, reptile, or amphibian, unless it resulted from an act of self-defense. The initiative would also make it a felony to engage in common animal breeding practices, including for domestic animals.
If passed, IP 13 would immediately impact Oregon’s 940,000 sportsmen and women who participate in the outdoors in support of conservation efforts, food procurement, and tradition. For generations, Oregonians from across the state have relied on Oregon’s rich natural bounty to provide fresh meat and fish for their families. The proposed initiative would also significantly impact the state’s ability to manage and protect its natural resources, wildlife, and public lands.
Without sportsmen-generated revenue through license and tag sales, along with the excise tax revenue generated through Pittman-Robertson and Dingell-Johnson for sporting-related purchases, ODFW would have their budget drastically cut by almost one half. ODFW, the primary stewards of protecting and enhancing the states’ wildlife and their habitat, would lose over $50 million dollars annually from hunting and fishing license sales alone.
The Congressional Sportsmen’s Foundation (CSF) submitted comments to the Oregon Secretary of State on June 3 challenging the proposed ballot title language for not adequately notifying voters as to the sweeping and profound effects of IP 13 if passed. After a review of these comments and any modification, the Secretary of State will finalize the ballot title language, which clears the hurdle for the “End Animal Cruelty” campaign to begin gathering the 112,020 signatures necessary to place it on the 2022 ballot. CSF will continue working in opposition to IP 13 throughout this process.
I wasn’t aware I was hiding. I also wasn’t aware of me ever voting or signing a petition in Oregon.
" the kkk and neo nazi groups were started and funded by the Democrats ! "
Indeed! The former 'dixiecrats' migrated to the GOP after LBJ pushed civil rights legislation through into law.
Flatbrimmer and Dana and a few others with your radical beliefs can kiss my a$$ This damn sure is not the democratic party of yester years. As far as I am concerned the liberal wing of the party with appears to be the majority of the democratic party is an enemy. You don't try to negotiate or find a middle ground with the enemy you defect them. Things are going to keep going in the wrong direction until that happens.
Yes, men write such things on paper as opposed to God on stone tablets, but only our Constitution was written to elevate personal rights and freedoms over and above any government of man. Because they knew and acknowledged the true nature of mankind. Given power, they want more power, and when forbidden to exercise that power over those they "rule" by a Constitution, they then seek to remove that restriction to their power. Again..... ALWAYS under the guise of "it's for your own good...."
The corruption of power to rule over our citizens on many levels has never been so clear as it is right now. The Constitution and it's protection of our rights is literally in their way to finalize their corruption. That is why it must be..... removed.
This is where leftist go off their rails. The CONCEPT that free citizens RIGHTS are NATURAL granted rights that no government and thus no man can (or should) ever take, they try to ignore.... IF it fits THEIR situation. Their view of rights are that the government grants them out of the kindness of their lil hearts. They can't even imagine it any other way. It is literally only government that gives leftists their power.
Ironic when radicals use radical words like this to say I’m radical. Maybe you should follow your own advice and read your posts when pointing the finger at radicals. Maybe you will learn something about yourself but something tells me you already know.
Don’t forget to delete your web browser history.
I have never voted for a party in my life. I vote for individual candidates.
That those candidates follow a party platform must be irrelevant. The party that is supported by eco-terrosists, anti-gun, anti-hunters,.... side step all you want. Your individual gets election $$'s from that party.
I'll add my real name as soon as kentuckbowhnter, JohnMC, Dirty Mike, Sito, and all others do as well. Funny you haven't ever asked any of them to post their real names.
My vote against Trump was vindicated on January 6th.
'Radical' - having zero tolerance for dissent ? ;-)
What Does the Idiom ‘Cut Off Your Nose To Spite Your Face’ Mean?
Meaning of the Term. The ‘Cut off your nose to spite your face’ idiom simply means that in trying to bring harm to someone, you’re causing yourself harm too.
LMAO! And your vote FOR Biden was vindicated by last year's B urn L oot M urder riots?
If it's not clear already that in many ways there really are basically two camps as WV stated, you just have to ask yourself if you see the US as sovereign to itself with individual Constitutional rights, America First so to speak. Or if you see the US as just a part of the world, a Globalist who feels the US should fall under a more Globalist rule.
It's clear those in the Globalist corporate world do not see the US as sovereign, if you are looking for Globalist corp to do anything in the US interests you will be looking in vain. There is NO loyalty that exists there, only the nature of man to make themselves more powerful. With the Leftist/Socialist/Communist, that Globalist side is unarguable. It is their only means to power, to subvert the Constitution and deconstruct the US as a sovereign country. Individual rights, free speech, freedom of religion, even gun ownership.... all the antithesis of leftist goals. That is literally in their playbook.
But always remember as justification with all Elitist goals..... it's for your own good.....
It’s funny you say there are only two camps when it’s independents that decide elections. Yours is truly just steaming hot BS.
It would ban the killing of animals for any reason, period.
Farmers would Have to wait for them to die of natural causes to slaughter. It would also obviously Criminalize hunting. As far as I can tell a animal rights activist with pretty much no backing started the process of trying to get enough signatures to get this on the ballot for a vote. I think this is even SO crazy none of the big animal rights groups will put money or resources behind it, but we will see.
Anyone can attempt to get enuff signatures to put just about anything on the ballot for a vote here. The 112,000 signatures required might be doable, but I don’t see this going anywhere.
Just wanted to put a little info about the actual topic since almost none of the posts in this thread are about this topic.
Or maybe want to rehash the lie the leftist media had to retract where Trump called for clearing the park to go to the church .... you know, the church those "peaceful protesters" set on fire? You guys pile lies on top of lies like "Russian collusion" etc. and not so much as a blush when it's proven to be KNOWING lies. Lies of siding with WS as "very fine people" when you KNOW the prior sentence was denouncing white supremacists.... but that was carefully edited out. But the lies get justified in your twisted brains..... TDS mental disorder....
Facts? Clueless. Being unaware of lies told to you is not a justification for being uninformed. Having no knowledge of Globalism mostly means you have little knowledge of far more than politics or ideologies.
These are the people who would still be subjects of the King in 1776 due to nothing more than their apathy..... or fear and cowardice. It wasn't that there were not two clearly defined sides. They failed to choose a side. But clearly that difference is lost on some....
We are living our lives and doing what we have the freedoms to do. Freedoms lost already in a good deal of the world. Never forget we are not trying to take their way of life or freedoms away. I'd say we really couldn't care less how they live their lives. Just leave us alone.
It is they who are attacking us. And should be treated that way. I take such attacks on my way of life, my freedoms, personally. I take them seriously.
Ignoring WHO it really is attacking our rights and lifestyle, even our way of making a living..... IMO is playing to their strong point. Apathy and the view that someone else will take care of it....we don't need to get involved.
Neither stands for much beyond "Re-elect me! Send money so I don't have to get a real job! Strong on spending! I really really really care about you! (And keep those dollars coming.)"
As the man said, "A plague o' both your houses! "
I definitely was not thinking just to ignore this. It just seemed like the discussion on the ballot measure had veered completely off track to Trump, January 6th, ect.
Reading back through it all again, I see the progress of the conversation and how it got there. I was just pointing out the conversation wasn’t really about this ballot measure after the first 8-10 posts.
I haven’t really been able to find anymore info about this measure since it was announced, and it appears that one individual guy that is an animal rights activist from Portland started this campaign to get this in the ballot. I would think the only people that would get behind this would be the vegan crowd.
The scary part about this is I believe it is the secretary of states office that writes the voters pamphlet in Oregon. They have a pretty good record of very deceiving voters pamphlets that help measures the governors office are in favor of. If the Governors office is behind something politically, the big money rolls in. Then there are months of deceptive tv ad campaigns, and a deceptive voters pamphlet and they get what they wanted.
As a resident of Oregon I was just hoping to find out more information about a ballot measure that would criminalize hunting in Oregon On a Bowsite thread about the exact Oregon ballot measure that would criminalize hunting in Oregon
Reading the website from the guy that started the initiative I don’t see any endorsement from any other political groups or people. So it appears to not have any backing at this time
Hopefully it stays that way and this goes away
OF COURSE it's stupid. Of course it's radical idiocy. BUT, I'm a 'veteran' of the battle here in Mass. against the notorious 'Proposition One' that effectively ended trapping and bear hunting with hounds here. So I really don't need to be lectured on the dangers of 'ballot questions' by people whose main agenda is pushing partisan politics. It would make more sense to reach out to all those who would be adversely affected by this idiotic initiative instead of bashing people for not toeing some party line.
A lot of Democrats, Libertarians, Greens, Independents etc. are going to find fault with this initiative. Why is it so bloody important to bash them instead of finding common cause with them ON THIS ONE ISSUE ???
That’s probably the most factual statement in this entire thread. And (JMO) the choices on offer just keep getting worse and worse and worse. Though I’m sure that the Party Faithful” on each side would disagree, which (from out here in the middle of the road) only proves the point.
Both parties are backed by their own sets of complete whack-jobs, whether they want them or not. That will never change. So the argument that says “if you voted for the party that was backed by ______________, you are an imbecile and my enemy”….. you’re putting a lot of good and thoughtful people on your Enemies list for no valid reason.
The proposition I would submit is this: If you believe in the principles of the Republican Party, it’s high time to recognize that the party - especially at the National level - got its ass kicked fair and square. When pressed to defend their lies about the voting machines, Trump’s own lawyers’ best defensive argument was that they were talking such outlandish Crap that they can’t be held responsible for the fact that a bunch of people were fooled enough to believe them.
Yes, Trump got more votes than anyone who had ever lost an election before. (File that with the Department of Dubious Distinctions.) But even MORE more people than EVER got off their butts to keep him out of office.
JMO, if you want to see the GOP survive, you probably ought to consider whether you would rather help elect a “republican” who is somewhere off to the left of your comfort zone, or live with a “democrat” who is well off to the left of the comfort zone of more than half of the people who voted against Trump.
Not against the Party. Against the Individual the party selected as their representative…. although clinging to that individual is proving to continue to drive people away….
If Kasich had gotten the nomination in ‘16, he would still be President today. A wet sock could have beat Biden if it weren’t DJT. But the My Way or the Highway mindset deprived us of that comfort.
Thanks for NOTHING.
That’s why Fundamentalism is so incredibly dangerous. It doesn’t matter if they are religious, political, or anything else… The problem with fundamentalists is that if they are wrong about ANYTHING, then that will mean that they are wrong about EVERYTHING. Because everything is outlined in Absolutes.
So they are utterly incapable of ever acknowledging a mistake or taking corrective action.
It ain’t pretty.
This Oregon petition is likely going nowhere if it gets on the ballet. That does not in any way mean that it should be ignored but there are many idiot petition like this all the time. The best way to combat this IMO is to talk to non-hunters about the benefits and take them hunting. Or you can "kick them out of your camps." Yeah, that will work and help KEEP public opinion on our side.
Calling people defending their CURRENT freedoms and rights they enjoy now extremists? wow.
Did I go to these peoples homes and businesses demanding they live their lives my way? Demanding they give me their property? Threaten arrest for defending your life and property when they try to burn it down? Demanding you "say his name" or some other such BS?
And I am the extremist? Guess when no factual logical arguments are winnable the only cards available are broad brush accusations. Extremist! Racist! (fill in the blank)
That corporate/government mandated CRT and sensitivity training with some folks has really sunken in I guess......
Back to the OP.... If NOBODY signs this then (IMO of course, so as not to upset any sensibilities or triggers) there is hope some common sense still exists in this country. But folks will sign it. And, hey, those who do I'm sure are not ideological. That's for extremists who would oppose such things don'cha know. God forbid anyone stand up to defend their God given rights..... buncha meanies....
Some have said it's very possible they get enough signatures to get on the ballot. I remember hearing about legalizing meth and heroin "not having a chance". How did that work out?
This level of insanity and yes, REAL fascism, not the clueless ignorant words mouthed by people who just think it's like calling someone an a-hole.... that level of stupid is scary. But people who bring it up, only thing they are doing is trying to RETAIN their freedoms and rights.... are extremists. Likely racists too I'm told. Members of some super secret white supremacists group I've never heard of or seen but somehow are poised to take over the country. Literally THE largest threat to the United States we are told, by the President you guys voted for.... not China or Russia or other enemies (not a bad deal for just a few million dollars, a President in your back pocket).... but hey, the Big Guy and his Crew aren't on any side or "camp"..... real centrists with no ideology, good grief. Nocking Futts......
Extremists indeed..... As cities across the country burn down from mostly peaceful protests that are not just ignored, literally supported..... I'm sure the supporters really aren't on any "camp"or "side" or anything. Move along, nothing to see here....
And others who's mission seems convincing people it's just rain running down your back....
Fixed it to fit the facts, not your opinion.
Let me rephrase it, we got a jar of old mustard, and we got a poodle, and were just gonna get in there and put some .....well, you know KS .