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Even more so if there this virus can not be proven to exist…

The article states that Alberta has now lifted all restrictions and mandates. If that is so, can those of us who shall remain un-injected go hunting up there now?

Go back and read again, you missed it...

As I understand this case, the accused asked for evidence of isolation outside of a lab, or PCR test. The health officials couldn't produce that evidence, I suspect because all isolation occurs in a lab, or some sort of a test.

I think it's a ridiculous twisting of facts to say this case proves SARS-COV2 doesn't exist. Perhaps Mike in CT can confirm.

Matt

No, the problem we have is gov't telling us we have to believe their pet "experts" and no body else.

'Denialism' has become a powerful force in discussions of Covid - and in the realm of US politics in general. (See for instance, 'Trump really won in 2020!')

As if China 'collaborates' with anyone...

Or just not believing the broken record that doesn't know if it's playing forward or backward.

Naturally, the hand picked pet "experts" the gov't uses are the only ones that can be right. (Insert eye roll here...)

Would you rather believe the hand picked pet experts hired by FAUX News? (Insert ROFLMAO here...)

Or, continue to believe some unknown blogger from a site called Our Greater Destiny. Your choice.

Matt

Travel mandates should be lifted, vaccines should be optional, economies should be fully open. That said, the virus is real and has destroyed hundreds of thousands or millions of families lives and the vaccine is a safe albeit not 100% effective means of protecting yourself.

All this talk of “sheeple” and I basically only see two types of sheeple in these discussions, just divided by a fence on different sides of a topic.

Just curious, do you get an annual 'flu shot'? How many people have 'adverse reactions' to those? I'd bet quite a few! Probably not many deaths. I've experienced 'minor discomfort' several times. And I suspect that the vast majority of reactions fall under that category. I still get it every year because full-blown flu sucks bigly. I had about the same with the first Covid shot, a day of feeling a bit 'blah.' Beats the tar out of hospitalization, being put on a ventilator etc. etc.

Haven't watched Fox in a long time. I look at data available to me and make my own decisions. I don't sit around like a garden slug waiting for a paid for "scientist" that is willing to spew any crap a politician wants just to be in the news.

KLG of NM operates on the knee jerk up-and-down, side-to-side BS rhetoric from fauxci. Data doesn't lie, but politicians do...

Thanks for that article, Treeline. I needed some comic relief today.

Grown ass men perpetuating misinformation. The Russians would be proud.

Not only has the SARS-COV2 been isolated, so have variants and a wide variety of mutations. That people would suggest otherwise at this state of the pandemic - and based on such a cringe-worthy article no less - is almost unbelievable.

Now as far as the flu shot goes, I have known several people over the years that have gotten ill after taking the vaccine, none have died and I can't recall hearing of anyone dying from the flu vaccine but those vaccines have been tested and approved by the FDA and are voluntary. These Covid19 vaccines are still yet to be approved, which to me says they're still experimental. If you have chosen to get one, it was your choice. I do not believe in mandates, especially of an experimental drug.

Look up the CDC’s VAERS web site. Look up vaccine deaths for the Covid “vaccines” versus all the others over the years. Pretty shocking, even by their own numbers.

Probably as vastly underreported for the “vaccines” as the “covid” deaths were over reported. Look up the Covid statistics while you are at it. What you will find is they report is the COMBINED statistics for COVID, PNEUMONIA and INFLUENZA! Those numbers were what were being pumped every day last year leading up to November.

Yeah me too

Not really shocking at all, when you consider a basic tenet of statistics is correlation does not equal causation. This, coupled with the fact that you have increased reporting requirements due to the EMUA and it's no wonder you have higher death counts post COVID vaccination. It does not mean that the vaccine caused these deaths and it certainly doesn't prove that the vaccine is deadly. Just like when the CF was around, it is woefully apparent that this forum is filled with people who either (1) don't look at data or (2) don't understand statistics or how to put data into context.

hat you will find is they report is the COMBINED statistics for COVID, PNEUMONIA and INFLUENZA

Just because the report has statistics for each category, separate tallies have been kept for each category as well as combined categories (ie, COVID, pneumonia, COVID+pneumonia, etc) and the deaths from COVID being reported do not include deaths from pneumonia or influenza alone, only the cases where COVID is present. It is not a sum total of COVID, pneumonia, and influenza deaths.

That falls into the "you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink" bucket. I wonder if Trump won if our vaccination rates would have been higher.

https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-covid-rna-idUSL1N2LS27P

And another:

https://healthfeedback.org/claimreview/the-virus-that-causes-covid-19-exists-and-was-identified-and-isolated-multiple-times-by-independent-research-groups/

"Several scientific research groups independently identified and isolated SARS-CoV-2, the virus causing COVID-19, as demonstrated in numerous published studies."

And an article on the earliest date I could find after ~5 mins of research on when the virus was initially isolated and mapped:

https://time.com/5882918/zhang-yongzhen-interview-china-coronavirus-genome/

"Zhang and his team set to work, analyzing the samples using the latest high-throughput sequencing technology for RNA, the viral genetic building blocks, which function similar to how DNA works in humans. By 2 a.m. on Jan. 5 [2020], after toiling through two nights straight, they had mapped the first complete genome of the virus that has now sickened 23 million and killed 810,000 across the globe: SARS-CoV-2."

I posted this Alberta, Patrick King court case on my Instagram story and my story views went from a normal range of 1500 to 2500 down to 423. Never, ever had anything go that low, no lies in it, no misinformation. Just didn’t fit the narrative. If it’s all wrong then mainstream media should feature the court case and blow it apart for everyone to see but they bury it instead.

Don’t be sexist and forget that “people that can give birth”or “chest feeders”can be Russians too!

https://mobile.twitter.com/KyleMartinsen_/status/1416094954603044864

The defendant in the OP's link wanted the "expert" to provide evidence that wasn't isolated in a lab, the very bug making everyone sick outsideof a lab. When they couldn't, the case was dropped because it wasn't conclusive the same lab bug was making everyone sick.

It's easy to get the data you need in a controlled environment...

There is ample evidence showing SARS COV2 exists and is making people sick. I have no idea what point the defendant was trying to prove by saying all of the work done isolating and characterizing the virus was done only in a lab.

That's the equivalent of saying you all don't have brains because the only way you can see it is by going to a lab and therefore we can't prove they exist outside of that lab. Hmmm, on second thought...

And how did they expect to 'view' this 'evidence' without *laboratory* equipment?

“A viral isolate is a pure microbial or viral sample that must be obtained from an infected individual and not grown in a laboratory setting. In other words, a true viral isolate must be taken or extracted from a human or animal host and purified.

According to the sources I converse with, no scientists have done this procedure with regards to sars-cov-2. What they have done instead is gather a scant number of genomic sequences (“viral particles”) from a patient allegedly infected with COVID-19 and decided by a committee that these structures were the identified virus and proceeded to label them as viral isolates. This practice is the scientific community’s idea of viral isolation. I think it’s junk science!”

"There are multiple examples of scientists isolating SARS-CoV-2 (here, here, here, here), the virus that causes COVID-19 disease, where they also sequenced the complete genome (here, here, here). Pictures of isolated SARS-CoV-2 particles have been released by the U.S. National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (here).

Meanwhile, the second argument, that coronaviruses have never been purified, shows a misunderstanding of how viruses work – and does not prove they do not exist. Siouxsie Wiles, an associate professor at the University of Auckland’s Department of Molecular Medicine and Pathology, has previously addressed similar claims, saying they reference outdated microbiological theory (here)."

"The etiologic agent of an outbreak of pneumonia in Wuhan, China, was identified as severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 in January 2020. A patient in the United States was given a diagnosis of infection with this virus by the state of Washington and the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention on January 20, 2020. We isolated virus from nasopharyngeal and oropharyngeal specimens from this patient and characterized the viral sequence, replication properties, and cell culture tropism."

The first part of the statement is accurate though I'd omit "microbial" as we're talking about "viral isolate." However, once you get to "and not grown in a laboratory setting" you're showing your (the author of this statement) ignorance. Samples are taken from the nasopharynx (you can also use bronchial washings if lower respiratory tract involvement is evident) and you can test for the presence of virus by a number of methods; EIA (enzyme immunoassay), fluoroscopy or molecular methods such as PCR.

All of the above should be confirmed by the gold standard which is isolation of the pure virus in cell culture. SARS-CoV-2 has been isolated in Vero cell lines (derived from the kidney of African Green monkeys) and as many have posted here there is no shortage of literature to confirm this.

Cell culture provides the means to further confirm by viewing CPE (cytopathic effect-changes in cellular structure caused by the virus; RSV (Respiratory Synctial virus) causes very specific and easily identified changes in cell culture for example), EIA, Immunoperoxidase stain and molecular assays.

OK, but as someone mentioned in an earlier post why all the hullabaloo about vaccination for a disease with a mortality rate of <6% (in the US it's actually around 2% now). Well, as someone once told me long ago statistics are a lot like bikinis; they show a lot but they don't show everything. Looking just at a raw number is misleading; look at the mortality rate broken down by age and you'll (hopefully) get a clearer understanding of why we should be vaccinating.

Additionally, we have much younger people who have underlying co-morbidities and/or are immuncompromised; removing potential viral carriers substantially lowers their risk of disease. We may not all agree with the concept of public health but there are clearly defined moments in which it is best to act in the interest of public health; this is one of them.

One last parting thought; I worked with a large hospital system in the Northeast last year on a COVID project; they were alarmed at how many COVID positive patients (true positives) were going into renal failure and requiring dialysis. Using the protocols we developed for earlier detection they reduced the number of patients requiring dialysis by 86%. I'm starting another project with one of the largest health systems in NY and they're up against similar grim numbers; owing to the hyper-politicization of this pandemic I can certainly understand healthy skepticism; when anyone questions whether this disease is real or not I can only shake my head. I've seen and continue to see just how real it is.

Also meant to say that I'm absolutely hanging onto this one haha what a gem and so true.

I still don't understand the intent. The particulars of the case seem to hinge on some legal loophole that has nothing to do with the actual science. There is plenty of conclusive scientific proof that SARS-COV2 exists. What was the intent then by posting this and following it up with statements like "there is no conclusive proof that SARS-COV2 even exists?"

I would be surprised if the OP's intent was anything other than to communicate the assertion in the thread title ("P. King, Alb - SARS COV2 doesn't exist"), especially given his first demonstrative comment ties directly to it ("Interesting, reading this, that there is no conclusive proof that SARS-COV2 even exists.").

Matt, I’m sure you are right

The real death toll isn’t known. But, what is apparent to anyone with a brain cell is the death toll is high. That’s is undeniable and easy for anyone to confirm. Yet, once again, we use the inflated count because that’s all we have. It should make anyone concerned with reality, to keep that in mind.

Positive for Covid based on a flawed test procedure. The CDC has now admitted this.

Again, the CDC counts (that were reported by every MSM outlet up until January) included anyone that died with Covid, influenza or pneumonia in the totals.

Why on earth would anyone be so adamant about anything to do with other people’s personal health choices?

Particularly for something that is less fatal than the annual flu?

It’s statements like this that I find incredibly baffling after a year and a half of dealing with this disease.

COVID killed over 300,000 people in 2020. The flu typically kills a tenth of that. Keep in mind we have never shut down the country to stop the spread of the flu. If we had treated COVID like the flu, I can’t imagine how many more people would have died.

The mortality rate of COVID in the USA is somewhere around 2%. The flu is something like .1% at most.

COVID has an R0 of something like 3. I’ve actually heard with the Delta variant it’s closer to 8. The flu is something like 1.5.

In summary, COVID is twice as contagious and 20 times as deadly for those that get it when compared to the flu.

So please, by what metric is the COVID “less fatal than the flu??”

These have been debunked and put into appropriate context. Stop treating this like the norm.

Again, the CDC counts (that were reported by every MSM outlet up until January) included anyone that died with Covid, influenza or pneumonia in the totals.

This is straight up false.

Covid killed all those people?

Or they died with Covid (based on faulty tests - and oh, don’t forget the large payments to the hospitals for any Covid deaths)?

So these shots:

1. Do not stop infections 2. Do not stop transmission 3. Do not stop hospitalization

But may:

1. Decrease your risk of being hospitalized. 2. Cause acute health issues including death, paralysis, nervous disorders, blood clots, heart issues 3. May cause chronic issues but it will be a year or two before we figure out what else those are…

And, the government (and MSM, fellow citizens, etc) wants globally mandated injections of substances that have not even been approved?

They are imposing medical segregation, limiting free travel (unless you come into this country illegally), and allowing companies to mandate injecting all employees or risk being let go?

How can anyone not be concerned about how whacked out this is?

My grandma always told me, no one wants to go to Hell alone…

And no. It is straight up the truth. I actually checked the CDC numbers being reported by the MSM. They were always the combined numbers.

Just trying to get logical, common sense information out.

And I hate seeing how deep a country founded on personal freedom, limited government, and the recognition God Given Rights has fallen into a Marxist-Totalitarianism Hell.

And sorry, if you checked the CDC numbers it’s only proof that you don’t understand the data you were looking at. Covid, pneumonia, and influenza cases are part of the same report, but the numbers are not combined and treated as “all COVID.”

Do you have no consideration at all for your credibility? Speaking of arguing with a rock....

If masks work then why have so many caught it? If the vax works, why do you need a mask? If you’ve had it and have anti bodies, why do you need the vax or a mask? Why aren’t the vax’s FDA approved? Why should one take a drug that isn’t FDA approved? And last but not least, why should anyone trust bureaucrats, politicians and tyrants who silence anyone who question them? Too many questions and no answers. Only more questions......

OK, I'll try and keep this simple; on point #1 there is no vaccine nor is there any natural immunity that prevents "infection." Infection is the action of a microbe (virus, bacteria, fungus, etc) gaining entry into the human body.

Infection progresses to symptom(s) and may progress to disease based on a number of factors, the most common being 1)the immune status of the person and 2)any underlying conditions/co-morbidities of the infected person.

On point #2 vaccines that promote an effective immune response rapidly decrease the viral load of the infected person; viral load is a key component of the passage of pathogens-less pathogen equals lower transmission rate. Unvaccinated (and non-immune by natural means) persons act as efficient transmission vectors because their viral load remains high until (if) they are able to clear the infection by mounting an effective immune response.

Point #3 is tragic; not in its being real but rather that given the overwhelming evidence to the contrary there is anyone in today's information age that would actually make that claim.

Viruses that are spread via airborne transmission would only be prevented by a properly fit-tested N95 respirator mask. Viruses that are transmitted by droplet transmission (like SARS-CoV-2) can be minimized by surgical masks (cloth masks help but aren't as effective). The ineffectiveness of masks owes more to the reality that it caused many people to constantly touch their faces (adjusting the mask for comfort/coverage) and provided access for virus present in nasal secretions to get on peoples hands. People tend to touch common surfaces and that is a great means of spreading infection.

The vaccine works but it doesn't prevent the virus from gaining entry; what it does do is allow the body to clear the virus and relatively quickly. While your body is clearing the virus though you still have sufficient virus to infect immunodeficient people; this includes those with autoimmune diseases (e.g. lupus), those on anti-rejection drugs (transplant recipients) and those on an anti-cancer regimen. As the majority of these people are not easily identified it is a preventative measure and makes sense in certain settings, most notably doctors offices and hospitals.

"If you’ve had it and have anti bodies, why do you need the vax or a mask?"

For the mask, see above, with regard to getting vaccinated I've responded to this on multiple threads that I don't see a need for it and it may actually be counterproductive.

"Why aren’t the vax’s FDA approved? Why should one take a drug that isn’t FDA approved?"

The vaccines have been granted Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) by the FDA; an EUA is subject to the same safety & efficacy standards as a 510k (Full FDA approval). The EUA submission for the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine showed data that met the criteria and with flying colors. The sample population was both robust in numbers and in terms of demographic coverage. I fully expect this vaccine to receive 510k clearance by the end of 2021 or early 2022.

As to why anyone would take this vaccine I'd answer based on the data submitted for the EUA; it is overwhelmingly positive and the results after almost a year have been excellent.

"And last but not least, why should anyone trust bureaucrats, politicians and tyrants who silence anyone who question them?"

They shouldn't provided they are pushing back with valid facts and not simply regurgitating the conspiracy du jour. I personally have pushed back on those clamoring for people who have recovered from the disease (a clear demonstration of an effective immune response) to get vaccinated. As with almost anything possession of all the facts is the first prerequisite for having an informed discussion/debate and that goes for all parties involved.

I hope this has been helpful.

"Is it possible for a guy to be reasonable and believe the disease is real and deadly yet still believe media and governments are over extending their powers infringing on our rights? Why does it have to be one or the other? Why is someone who is diabetic written off as a non important death in the eyes of so many? You see it every single day. He didn’t die of Covid he had UnDeRLYiNg conditions…. Well he wasn’t dying of diabetes that week, he caught a virus and died. Travel mandates should be lifted, vaccines should be optional, economies should be fully open. That said, the virus is real and has destroyed hundreds of thousands or millions of families lives and the vaccine is a safe albeit not 100% effective means of protecting yourself."

This describes where many folks are, myself included, but because the dividing line is so well defined, not taking a side means you are either a extremist/conspiracy theorist, ready to start a civil war, or an obedient, get in line, marxist sheep, not worthy of calling yourself an American. In my opinion, the division, at all current levels, is a much greater danger to our American freedoms than any stinkin' virus. The distraction of this virus has been powerfully abused. (I believe the virus is real, so keep your $hitslingin' away fro me) We need to figure out how to restore sensible, non partisan government and common sense. I believe we have alot of pain to go through before that happens, if it ever does.....

...and why should anyone who doesn't trust anything the fed does care whether something is FDA approved or not? lol

Division, Chaos and Confusion are our greatest threat to Western Democracies right now. Massive debt loads don’t help either.

I wholeheartedly agree. IMO the first step is for people to learn that "sheeple" don't exist solely on the other side of the political spectrum (this thread being a prime example) and seek common ground with those of differing view points rather than further division.