I was wrong about Biden delisting wolves
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Contributors to this thread:
Jaquomo 21-Aug-21
Stix 21-Aug-21
elkster 21-Aug-21
Rickm 21-Aug-21
White Falcon 21-Aug-21
Dale06 21-Aug-21
drycreek 21-Aug-21
WV Mountaineer 21-Aug-21
Rickm 21-Aug-21
BC 21-Aug-21
Don K 21-Aug-21
[email protected] 21-Aug-21
kentuckbowhnter 21-Aug-21
goldentrout_one 21-Aug-21
drycreek 21-Aug-21
JL 21-Aug-21
Quinn @work 21-Aug-21
MQQSE 21-Aug-21
BigOk 21-Aug-21
TD 22-Aug-21
spike78 22-Aug-21
SBH 22-Aug-21
DanaC 22-Aug-21
Quinn @work 22-Aug-21
Jaquomo 22-Aug-21
trophyhill 22-Aug-21
Zim 23-Aug-21
Jaquomo 23-Aug-21
DanaC 23-Aug-21
Pete In Fairbanks 23-Aug-21
kentuckbowhnter 23-Aug-21
DanaC 23-Aug-21
Snuffer 23-Aug-21
Ermine 23-Aug-21
DanaC 23-Aug-21
Thornton 23-Aug-21
Rocky D 23-Aug-21
Bowfreak 23-Aug-21
Rupe 23-Aug-21
trublucolo 23-Aug-21
DanaC 23-Aug-21
trublucolo 23-Aug-21
trublucolo 23-Aug-21
trophyhill 23-Aug-21
DanaC 23-Aug-21
Old School 23-Aug-21
trublucolo 23-Aug-21
DanaC 23-Aug-21
trublucolo 23-Aug-21
Rupe 24-Aug-21
Rocky D 24-Aug-21
DanaC 24-Aug-21
Old School 24-Aug-21
Missouribreaks 24-Aug-21
Missouribreaks 24-Aug-21
DanaC 24-Aug-21
DanaC 24-Aug-21
Missouribreaks 24-Aug-21
Rocky D 24-Aug-21
Old School 24-Aug-21
trophyhill 24-Aug-21
smarba 24-Aug-21
From: Jaquomo
21-Aug-21
When I'm wrong, I man-up. I predicted that Haaland and the Biden administration would relist wolves by mid-summer. But they just announced they will abide by the Trump rule to keep them delisted and allow states to manage them. The ARAs and wolfies are furious.

Shows the Bidenistas can at least get one thing right.

From: Stix
21-Aug-21
My prediction. They're waiting for Colorado to reintroduce, them BAM! They will relist. They don't want any federal to state conflicts with Colorado's forced introduction

From: elkster
21-Aug-21
Thats good news regarding the Biden administration.

Already knew the part about you manning-up!

From: Rickm
21-Aug-21
Lou, way to man up! I just found out I was actually Wright recently, per my wife. First time in 22 years! Feels strange.

Unfortunately Stix is probably correct but ya never know.

From: White Falcon
21-Aug-21
Good man, Jaquomo !

From: Dale06
21-Aug-21
Rick, I’ve been married 47 years. It happens about every 22 years, so settle in for the wait.

From: drycreek
21-Aug-21
He must have stumbled and dropped his pudding to make a decision like that, or better yet the puppeteers made it, because he’s not capable of tying his damn shoes.

21-Aug-21
I think Stix has it right. So, I wouldn’t be too upset. Because before it’s over, I think the time prediction is all that’s going to be wrong.

From: Rickm
21-Aug-21
Dale,

So your saying I have a chance?

From: BC
21-Aug-21
He's throwing a curve ball. Anything to distract from Afghanistan.

From: Don K
21-Aug-21
This is one of those times you want to be wrong.......

21-Aug-21
Just wait! Defenders of Wildlife, etc, etc, etc, will get their "act" together and go after JOE and the gang of " ________________________". (you fill in the blank).

21-Aug-21
Wait till they try to label them trans/refugee/immigrant/impoverished/privilege victim wolves and a whole new line of lawsuits and liberal judge rulings will happen.

21-Aug-21
???? Biden delivers 10,000 Americans into the hands of the Taliban, and you are worried about wolves????

From: drycreek
21-Aug-21
White Falcon, when this four year debacle is done I wonder if you will “man up” and admit that Biden is a joke, a poor joke…….

From: JL
21-Aug-21

JL's Link
For you Russian ammo shooters.......FYI. This just happened from the State Dept. Not sure if these Russian sanctions have been planned for a while or we're seeing Prez Biden do a "wag the dog" thing on this too.

(This is from Gun Zone.com)

Russian Sanctions Will Lead To Spike In Ammo Prices!

According to State.Gov

President Biden's state department announced today further sanctions on Russia. Such sanctions will include the denial of all pending and future import permits for firearms and ammunition manufactured in Russia.

Why is this a bad thing for Gun Owners In America?

Russian Ammunition accounts for approximately 40% the US Ammo Market. Steel ammunition historically has kept brass ammunition prices lower. These latest sanctions on russia may very well cause ammo prices to skyrocket!

(This is copy/paste from the State Dept sheet)

Fact Sheet: United States Imposes Additional Costs on Russia for the Poisoning of Aleksey Navalny

Fact Sheet

Office of the Spokesperson

August 20, 2021

CBW ACT SANCTIONS

Description of Sanctions: Pursuant to the Chemical and Biological Weapons Control and Warfare Elimination Act of 1991 (the CBW Act), the United States will impose a second round of sanctions on the Russian Federation over its use of a “Novichok” nerve agent in the August 2020 poisoning of Russian opposition figure Aleksey Navalny.

New sanctions imposed today under the CBW Act include:

Restrictions on the permanent imports of certain Russian firearms. New and pending permit applications for the permanent importation of firearms and ammunition manufactured or located in Russia will be subject to a policy of denial.

Additional Department of Commerce export restrictions on nuclear and missile-related goods and technology pursuant to the Export Control Reform Act of 2018.

From: Quinn @work
21-Aug-21
Biden’s to busy trying to wash the blood off his hands that called Afghanistan to worry about wolves.

From: MQQSE
21-Aug-21

MQQSE's Link

From: BigOk
21-Aug-21
That a boy,Lou. A blind squirrel can find a nut, so he can do at least one thing right. To bad it wasn't leaving Afghanistan.

From: TD
22-Aug-21
I'm guessing its' hard feelings from when he had to fight off a wolf once with Cornpop in Russia and was bitten...... or was it Afghanistan??? he forgets sometimes.....

From: spike78
22-Aug-21
Give it time he still hasn’t banned assault weapons yet.

From: SBH
22-Aug-21
Not a bad thing to b wrong on Lou.

From: DanaC
22-Aug-21
"Give it time he still hasn’t banned assault weapons yet. "

Doubt he ever will. Too many in Congress understand that guns are a 'third rail' danger, fatal to their careers.

(Plus, he's bleeding 'political capital' with the Afghanistan situation.)

From: Quinn @work
22-Aug-21
“ Give it time he still hasn’t banned assault weapons yet.”

Now he’s just giving them to the Taliban.

From: Jaquomo
22-Aug-21
Seriously goldentrout? We can't be concerned about more than one thing at once? Sheesh!

To quote Sleepy Joe, "I can gum and walk chew at the same time"

22-Aug-21
Yes we can talk about more than 1 thing at a time. Thanks for the heads up Jaq!

From: Zim
23-Aug-21
Biden’s advancing dementia does not allow him to be cognizant of wolves.

From: Jaquomo
23-Aug-21

Jaquomo's embedded Photo
Jaquomo's embedded Photo
Seeing this Facebook post made my day! It's from the governor's husband, a hard core ARA (also in charge of selecting members of the Colorado Wildlife Commission). Poor, heartbroken little Marlon! Ahahahahaha!

From: DanaC
23-Aug-21
Biden stuck by Trump's deal to leave Afghanistan and Trump's position on wolves. For this Biden takes crap from _both_ sides. Stuff like this is why despise I political partisanship.

23-Aug-21
I think TD has the most cogent explanation!

Pete

23-Aug-21
DanaC, Trump did not have a deal to leave thousands of Americans behind enemy lines while evacuating foreigners first.

From: DanaC
23-Aug-21

DanaC's Link
https://www.axios.com/trump-taliban-agreement-doha-biden-8dabe136-6dce-4e43-9289-98551bd47ed6.html

From: Snuffer
23-Aug-21
Bidens fault. Period.

From: Ermine
23-Aug-21
I’m sure they are waiting until Colorado can introduce them And then they will be back on the list shortly after

From: DanaC
23-Aug-21
From the link I posted -

"John Bolton and H.R. McMaster, two former Trump national security advisers known for their hawkish views, have lambasted both Trump and Biden for the withdrawal — though both have long been critical of the Taliban agreement.

"Our secretary of state [Mike Pompeo] signed a surrender agreement with the Taliban," McMaster said on Bari Weiss' podcast. "This collapse goes back to the capitulation agreement of 2020. The Taliban didn’t defeat us. We defeated ourselves." Bolton told CNN: "Had Trump been re-elected, he’d be doing the same thing. On this question of withdrawal from Afghanistan, Trump and Biden are like Tweedledee and Tweedledum." "

Yeah, Biden could have done better, but blaming one OR the other is blind partisanship at its damnedest.

From: Thornton
23-Aug-21
How hard is it to call one in? I'm thinking about a late winter or early spring Idaho hunt.

From: Rocky D
23-Aug-21
DanaC, I think the difference between Biden and Trump is that their intent would have been polar opposite plus as they say in the Army “it’s in the execution that you fail “ but this mission failed in the planning because our President said that everything had been taken into account and it clearly had not been! Unless the decision was made to execute in this manner!

This means that it was a complete blowoff when the intelligence basically said that the Afghanis would fall like dominoes! Also, that would validate the fact that the prison, equipment, and money had fallen victim to to the same thought process. If this be true then at best it would prove total incompetence and at worst a total dereliction of duty. If dereliction is proven then there needs to be a call for a criminal investigation.

If you understand military planning you would know that these issues would have to been addressed. Someone had to make a decision to execute the mission in this way! That should have been Biden and Harris because she stated that she was the last one in the room. There was clearly a decision to execute in this manner! We are on our A$$ and Congress is setting there like the three blind mice!

From: Bowfreak
23-Aug-21
DanaC, your Trump's fault argument is embarrassing. Just stop.

From: Rupe
23-Aug-21
[email protected], you’re on fire. Great comments dude!

From: trublucolo
23-Aug-21
DanaC says "From the link I posted -"

""John Bolton and H.R. McMaster, two former Trump national security advisers known for their hawkish views, have lambasted both Trump and Biden for the withdrawal — though both have long been critical of the Taliban agreement."" = Two Trump Haters with an axe to grind, one trying to peddle his old book.

"Bolton told CNN: "Had Trump been re-elected, he’d be doing the same thing." = Laughable right there, - pure speculation that Trump wouldn't have listened to his advisers.... which has already been proven that Biden failed to do so. You'll have to excuse me, I'm still laughing at the thought of "Bolton told CNN".

Using the opinions and speculations of two what would be outsiders, on what Trump "would" have done is a perfect example of "blind partisanship at its damnedest."

From: DanaC
23-Aug-21
"John Bolton and H.R. McMaster, two former Trump national security advisers..."

Outsiders??? In what alternative universe?

From: trublucolo
23-Aug-21
Try the "FORMER (Fired) national security advisers" part, they would not be in the loop currently as to what would happen if Trump was running the drawdown known as the Biden clusterfluck. If I have to draw you a picture with crayons, if you wish - I can. They are purely speculating on how Trump and his cabinet would have proceeded. I can just as easily speculate that Trump would have listened to his military advisers on how to withdraw from a country, without leaving Americans in the soup. Something Democrats seem unable to do, apparent from their track record.

From: trublucolo
23-Aug-21
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-admin-dismantled-ccr-kabul

Trump had the blueprint, the dog and pony show in the White House shredded it

23-Aug-21
This admin is made up of puppets, puppet masters, and cowards. Those who voted them in are just as much to blame

From: DanaC
23-Aug-21
" I can just as easily speculate that Trump would have listened to his military advisers on..."

Now that's funny - Trump couldn't take advice from anybody.

From: Old School
23-Aug-21
Dana - so rather than man up to what Biden has ACTUALLY done. You’d rather speculate on what Trump would’ve done.

And you’re the one complaining about partisan politics - perhaps a look in the mirror would be appropriate about now.

From: trublucolo
23-Aug-21
There's ego standing between the face and the mirror........

From: DanaC
23-Aug-21
Old School, it was Trump's aides doing the speculating. Personally I don't think King Solomon himself had the smarts to extract us from Afg. *cleanly*.

(And I'd love to know exactly who these Americans still there *are*. Did they not see the writing on the wall when the troop draw-down started?)

From: trublucolo
23-Aug-21
"it was Trump's aides doing the speculating" .......still don't get it do you? They were fired by Trump, before the end of his presidency. Keep on pretending that what they are opining about doesn't come with a bitter taint. And are you asking if the "Americans" that everybody acknowledges are there, aren't real Americans because they might be of Afghan heritage? Or are you insinuating that those Americans that even Biden's administration admits are there, aren't really there?

From: Rupe
24-Aug-21
Amen trublucolo

24-Aug-21

Altitude Sickness 's embedded Photo
Altitude Sickness 's embedded Photo
The new Biden commemorative coin

24-Aug-21
DanaC both the trump admin employees you cited are Hawks as you pointed out. Both did not want to withdraw from Afghanistan. EVER.

If it were up to Bolton we would have invaded Iran also.

I wouldn’t be using those two War mongers as your foreign policy experts.

As for comparing Trump and Biden’s plan,

trumps plan had conditions at every step and had the people and equipment out before the military not the reverse

I think everybody agrees we needed to get out, it’s Biden that put politics before the correct pull out timeline

Trump’s plan was to do it in the winter when the fighters are all in Pakistan, and be done by May. Biden is doing it during peak fighting season

Afghanistan has Iran on its western border and China on its eastern border

China will soon be building an oil pipeline to Iran through Afghanistan, allowing Iran to bypass sanctions and fund more terror. Also giving a lot of funding to the Taliban and Islamic terrorists

What a mess

From: Rocky D
24-Aug-21
It is true reach when liberals try to use conservatives against conservatives!

Anyone who has walked in the land of the bad clearly understands that the bad man only fears other bad men! If this was comic book we could call Orange Man to the rescue but sadly it is not.

If you voted for Biden and do not own it and and the ineptitude then you are complicit.

If you say nothing against CRT then you are a racists!

If you say nothing against the 1619 project you should be horse whipped for deceiving the children of America.

Lies by Biden and his cohorts have undermined the administration’s credibility!

Americans should not have to determine is what is true and what is not!

From: DanaC
24-Aug-21
"It is true reach when liberals try to use conservatives against conservatives! "

Not such a reach when you pit 'conservatives' against Trump ;-) (Who imo is a disgrace to America, the GOP and 'conservatism'. But you knew that...)

But the point was that there is NO consensus on the notion that the current debacle was the fault of one OR the other. I merely quoted two of the multiple opinions in the article as an example. Feel free to quote others.

From: Old School
24-Aug-21
Dana - I’ve got several liberal acquaintances and they are all shamed and embarrassed by the behavior of the guy they put in office. If you want to see partisan politics you really do need to look in the mirror.

It takes someone with some special political blindness to actually place the blame on the individuals that the President deserted rather than on the president himself. You and Biden are about the only 2 people I’ve heard placing the blame on Trump and quite frankly that’s the stance of a coward plain and simple. Your liberal friends even call it that - cowardice.

If you’re tired of partisan politics then start with yourself and stop it. You’re truly making a total fool of yourself here.

24-Aug-21
Who would think it was best to pull out excessive troops before the intended civilians were evacuated, and unwanted military equipment and munitions either removed or destroyed? I have no issue with getting out, it just has to be done with a sensible plan. Even the Liberal media has a problem with this one.

24-Aug-21
And on wolves, the states will see to it we keep plenty around. The Feds will intervene if they see too few. The overall wolf population is safe, and with an expanding range.

From: DanaC
24-Aug-21
Old School, a lot of people are trying to blame one OR the other. And a lot of people blame BOTH. I'm in the latter camp. I fail to see how that makes me either a partisan or a Biden supporter.

BUT, if you subscribe to the notion that anyone who doesn't 100% support Trump is a communist-socialist-liberal-Democrat-pinko blahblahblah, well...

I said earlier that I support Trump's positions on Afghanistan and wolves. We can argue about how his plan is either being followed or not, but if Biden discarded it, maybe we should ask _why_?

From: DanaC
24-Aug-21
Missouribreaks, agreed on that equipment. When it was clear that it would end up in the hands of the Taliban it should have been destroyed if it couldn't be moved out.

As for wolves, there is actually a closed season on coyotes here, but some folks subscribe to the 3-s rule (shoot, shovel and shut up.) I imagine it's the same in wolf country.

24-Aug-21
The 3's rule is likely practiced. Telemetry and modern microchips make it a bit risky though. Even shed elk antlers are now extensively being chipped for track and trace, then planted where some can legally, or illegally, locate and collect them.

From: Rocky D
24-Aug-21
DanaC, you merely tried to use a turd as salvo for failed decisions and poorer execution.

P. S. Destroying equipment is standard SOP. Staff Sergeant knows that nevertheless all the generals. Biden’s guidance is coming from Susan Rice so own it!

From: Old School
24-Aug-21
Dana - pretty simple why I and almost everyone else blames Biden. It was HIS decision.

You trying to lump in Trump by saying it was his idea is actually laughable. There’s a vast difference with Trump and Biden agreeing to withdraw and their said execution of the withdrawal. Biden showed total and utter incompetence (at best) in his execution of his plan.

To say - well this was Trumps plan so he shares blame is absolutely laughable and shows partisan politics at its worst.

Like Trump left the plan on the desk of the Oval Office and Biden simply picked it up and executed Trumps plan exactly as written - interesting perspective I guess.

And the people that were left stranded there in Afghanistan in your opinion should have known better and got themselves out. I still can’t believe that is your position. When you lay the blame for this at the feet of innocent American citizens in order to cover for an utterly incompetent President, that is saying quite a bit about you - and it’s not good.

I’m out…and done with this thread.

24-Aug-21
That’s because he is incompetent. And so are those who voted for him obviously.........

From: smarba
24-Aug-21
I don't know what this has to do with wolves, but I heard 9 out of 4 that voted for Biden now regret their decision ;o) LOL

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