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Or 'precedent'.

It will be 'interesting' to see Trump's (...) on SCOTUS rationalize like pretzel-benders when they overturn Roe v Wade.

And as I've said elsewhere, Biden *will* load the court, and we *will* all see our rights eroded to dust.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/09/members-congress-aides-exempt-bidens-vax-mandate/

https://m.thebl.com/health/pfizer-does-not-mandate-vaccines-for-employees-leaked-documents-reveal.html

https://allthatsinteresting.com/tuskegee-experiment-syphilis-study

Biden issued an "I want", now it's up to others to see if it can be implemented

I work for a government contractor and that's how our lawyers explained it to us employees

i respect your beliefs but im curious if you feel the same way about any of the other routine vaccines that were developed using the same cell lines?

FYI, they didn't use "murdered baby humans" to test these vaccines. They used lab grown cell lines that were originally derived from fetal material over 50 years ago to test the vaccines. I know that doesn't sound as melodramatic as the way you phrased it, though.

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so if a murder victims organs could be used to save another persons life youd be against that too?

I think it's a gross misrepresentation to claim all stem cell research and development comes from "murdered baby humans", but it makes for good political fodder.

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My recommended solutions are to get the vaccine, go through the testing procedures, quit, or get fired.

I guess crow is the main dish tonight as you did not offer any solutions.

Injections that account for higher adverse reactions and deaths than all of the vaccines for all of the diseases over the last 30 years?

Totalitarian-Communism is certainly the virus. Covid is obviously how it is spread...

Matt

You'd make a horrible corporate legal council or HR rep. All of what you just said is illegal.

That is exactly the opposite of what the data suggests.

And you may call it “highly survivable,” but in the last week I’ve lost one friend to the disease and one is now incubated and it’s not looking good. They were both unvaccinated. These were healthy individuals. When you look at our most at risk population, I’d hardly call things “highly survivable.”

Sorry, but to suggest that the disease isn’t serious and that the vaccine isn’t effective is just not borne out by the data.

My company has just removed the testing option for our offshore staff. It’s get vaccinated or find alternative employment.

not really an accurate comparison but lets explore it. intent matters. I would certainly never kill my child in order for me to survive, but if he or she had already died, i have no doubt they would want me to use their corpse in any way possible in order for me or others to survive. i know i would definitely want them to. after all, something in the wilderness is going to consume their corpse in order to survive, thats what god intended.

now lets actually compare apples to apples. If my child died in the wilderness and i could remove a few cells from their already dead body, clone them, and assuming I had enough time to use those cloned cells in order to grow something that I could eat in order to survive, I'd do it in a heartbeat. wouldn't you?

I don't know what's worse, Good people losing good jobs over liberal hype, or that fact that you seem to celebrate other people's demise as your own little victoy?!

that's only partially true. the cells used in the mrna vaccines aren't actually cells obtained from the 60s. the cells used to produce the vaccines are actually new cells that were grown in a laboratory based on the cells obtained back then. current fetal cell lines are thousands of generations removed from the original cells.

i answered your question...are you going to answer mine?

"not really an accurate comparison but lets explore it. intent matters. I would certainly never kill my child in order for me to survive, but if he or she had already died, i have no doubt they would want me to use their corpse in any way possible in order for me or others to survive. i know i would definitely want them to. after all, something in the wilderness is going to consume their corpse in order to survive, thats what god intended.

now lets actually compare apples to apples. If my child died in the wilderness and i could remove a few cells from their already dead body, clone them, and assuming I had enough time to use those cloned cells in order to grow something that I could eat in order to survive, I'd do it in a heartbeat. wouldn't you?"

Matt

i think "murdering babies" is a disgusting and immoral act in and of itself. i believe those who take part in it that will ultimately answer for that decision. that is an entirely different and separate issue than what happens after the fact and what good can come from a disgusting and immoral act. im pretty confident the god i worship can differentiate between the two.

that couldn't be further from the truth regarding how i feel about abortion. the second part also tells us a lot about what kind of christian you are.

You're opposed to elective abortions. I get that. But, claiming "murdered babies" were used to test these vaccines is not only factually incorrect, it shows a profound lack of understanding about stem cell technology, and how it has and continues to be used to advance medical science.

"Too bad your mom didn't practice what you preach!"

This may be the most hypocritical comment you've made. You profess to be a Christian who is opposed to abortions, but you wish those who disagree with you on the vaccine issue would have been aborted. That's not very Christian-like of you.

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Then your company can face a costly lawsuit if they didn't follow the necessary steps to provide an accommodation or document and provide evidence that it causes a legitimate undue hardship on the company. Burden of proof is on them, not the employee. Title VII of the Civil Rights Act...

It still is. You simply need to click a thread with a hunting title, rather than a political title. It's really quite simple. You're welcome!

I’m sure we’ll be fine.

Maybe, probably. Everyone knows companies ran by the prima-dona's from ATM can't be touched. But how awesome it would be for an entire hitch to walk off the job and shut an offshore operation down...

Just as long as the company man's up and takes responsibility if an employee forced to take it has an adverse reaction to it. This vaccine mandate is walking on very thin ice...

Shew, I’m not sure this conversation would have survived had we just said they came from two aborted babies in the 60’s.

Thin hair splitting makes for lost souls.

All the while leaving out what surrounds the whole situation. Covid positive. The whole team is flying out to go into quarantine. Yet, we hear how the unvaccinated are costing such high costs. I wander how many of those flown out are Covid positive. Or exhibiting symptoms. We will never know. All we hear is a twisted plot.

It’s the over reaction, demanded by a minority of the population, that is dictating Covid responses by big companies. And. It’s minions spreading their version of the truth fueling it.

i get that people have firmly held religious beliefs. i have my own. i am firmly pro life. i can however differentiate between a baby that was killed in order to use its parts, and a baby that was killed for completely separate reason, having their cells used to save other lives. if a greater good can come from a tragedy, i'm all for it. no different to me than using a persons organs who was brutally murdered in order to save another persons life.

i just hope that the people that can't or won't make that differentiation also refuse to use tylenol, ibuprofen, aspirin, sudafed, tums, pepto bismol, benadryl, claratin, sudafed, or maalox. they were all developed using fetal cell lines also.

You look at it as you must for your conscious. Allow others the same without all the shaming. That’s the happy median.

I will simply tell my employer that I "identify" as vaccinated...that should work ..shouldnt it?

if you found out that they were, were you stop taking them?

https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/20210918/some-medications-also-tied-to-religious-vaccine-exemption

i didn't shame anyone. im just trying to be consistent is all.

You don't seem to have a grasp of what oil companies policies have been.

Until now, for us, all that was required was a period of quarantining at home or in a hotel for roughly a week before going offshore. Also, a pre-flight PCR test was administered and a negative result was required before getting on the flight. Vaccinated individuals were exempt from the quarantining requirements (submittal of vaccination status was voluntary), but still required to perform the PCR tests.

Despite these mitigating measures, we still incurred multiple instances of COVID in our offshore locations along with the associated costs - Medevac flights, decontamination costs, and in multiple instances, deferred oil production. Most hitches are two weeks, and it's likely individuals were exposed to the virus and still in the incubation period when they were tested and flew offshore.

As we understand who was exempt from the quarantining requirements due to their vaccination status (again, voluntarily sumbitted) and also know which individuals were coming down sick offshore, a quick cross reference of the lists resulted in the vaccination mandate being seen as the logical step in mitigating the issues.

There is no "twisted plot," whatever that means - just the complexity and realities of dealing with the pandemic.

I know this. Covid positive equals 14 day quarantine. Minimum. Covid exposed equals quarantined until incubation and a negative test result. Etc…. It ain’t rocket science. Nor is it ground breaking. But, one thing you left out is the urgency of corporate in doing something when a positive Covid test hits in a work force. Covid being used by employees as ammo against corporate America is guaranteed. And, they know it. It’s just another example of negative side effects associated with this whole debacle.

But, you go on and defend your stance as if it’s a non mandate causing the problems. And, all the costs you used as justification for a mandate is nothing more then a forced reaction by people who are afraid of this virus killing them. And a HR department trying to head off the lawsuits.

Save your breath talking about lost production too. I shake my head at anyone who thinks a shot is going to stop the panic that like minded people as you, have spread into shear hysteria. Over what? Dying?

Ricky, I quit taking over the counter medicine a long time ago short of cough syrup. Prescription too. And, I’ve likely laid under the knife more then most here. It’s a Choice. You have options. Just like you should with the vaccine.

Consistency is the result of handling what is yours to do and, allowing others to do the same.

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The quarantine requirement was removed for vaccinated individuals and essentially followed CDC guidance. In terms of outcomes, I don't know the results of all of the cases (there have literally been hundreds of them). To my knowledge, no one passed away but admittedly I don't know the outcomes for everyone that was evacuated - only the impact these cases have had on our business.

One thing I do know is we are losing our freedoms more and more and its nearly always during some kind of crisis..remember the Patriot Act, Obama Care. If you want to get the vacvine..get it, if you dont..it should be your choice.

Just like marajuana..I dont have any use for it personally but a person should have the right to smoke it, eat it, whatever. Years back, some Asian folks were wanting to build a Buddist Temple in our area. One Sunday morning we had a discussion at church and some were trying to find ways to stop it. Me and another fella stood up and protested the silly notion.

I may not agree with a lot of things in this world but if we give the gov the power to take away something we dont like, that same power can come back and bite you in the butt. I understand both sides and both sides of the vax issue have valid points. For me, I dont want to be forced to get it