GVT Covid Vax Mandate Guidence Here
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JL 22-Sep-21
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WV Mountaineer 27-Sep-21
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From: JL
22-Sep-21
I don't see anything in there about providing proof of natural antibody test being acceptable. I too can see this going to the SCOTUS.

From: Woods Walker
22-Sep-21
Just tell them that you're here from Haiti. No problem!

From: deerhunter72
22-Sep-21
Fast track to the SCOTUS.

From: spike78
23-Sep-21
Sad part is the SCOTUS goes by their feelings and not so much by the law.

From: 4t5
27-Sep-21
funny thing is in ny city, health care workers have the mandate, teachers don't. It's not about science, it's about political donors, always has been.

From: DanaC
27-Sep-21
"Sad part is the SCOTUS goes by their feelings and not so much by the law. "

Or 'precedent'.

It will be 'interesting' to see Trump's (...) on SCOTUS rationalize like pretzel-benders when they overturn Roe v Wade.

And as I've said elsewhere, Biden *will* load the court, and we *will* all see our rights eroded to dust.

27-Sep-21
Biden can’t just pad the court. You talk as if he’s a dictator while cursing Trump for acting like a dictator.

From: TGbow
28-Sep-21
One of the goals of the "progressive" movement was to get the courts to quit referring to the constitution on their rulings and refer to "past cases". The reason for that goal is so that we end up where we are today..basicly change it as you go and thats where we are today. Its a crap shoot when it comes to the courts

From: TGbow
28-Sep-21
Its ironic how they pushing for mandated vaccinations but they have no problem with a wide open border

From: Nemophilist
28-Sep-21
Members of Congress and Their Aides are Exempt From Biden’s Vax Mandate.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/09/members-congress-aides-exempt-bidens-vax-mandate/

From: Nemophilist
28-Sep-21
Pfizer does not mandate vaccines for employees, leaked documents reveal.

https://m.thebl.com/health/pfizer-does-not-mandate-vaccines-for-employees-leaked-documents-reveal.html

From: Nemophilist
28-Sep-21
Dr. Sherri J. Tenpenny is an (osteopathic medical doctor) Dr. Sucharit Bhakdi (nobel prize winner microbiologist and virologist) Dr. Mike Yeadon (former VP of Pfizer and chief scientist for allergy and respiratory) Dr. Roger Hodkinson (Pathologist and virology) Dr. Geert Vanden Bossche (virologist and vaccine expert) Dr. Robert Malone (inventor of mrna vaccines, hes a virologist, immunologist, and molecular biologist) Dr. Judy Mikovitz (former NIH research scientist) Dr. Jim Meehan (MD) Dr. Hooman Noordchashm (surgeon and immunologist) Dr. Richard Bartlett (ER doctor) Dr. Lee Merritt (MD Orthopedic and spinal surgeon) Dr. Chris Shaw (Neuroscientist) Dr. Simone Gold (MD) Dr. Wolfgang Wodarg (world renowned epidemiologist) Dr. Pierre Kory (lung and ICU and pulmanry specialist, President and Chief Medical Officer of the Front Line COVID-19 Critical Care Alliance) Dr. Scott Jenson and State Senator (MD) Dr. Ron Paul (American author, physician, and retired politician who served as the U.S. Representative for Texas's 22nd congressional district from 1976 to 1977 and again from 1979 to 1985, and then for Texas's 14th congressional district from 1997 to 2013) Dr. Rand Paul (American physician and politician serving as the junior United States Senator from Kentucky since 2011) Dr. Steve Hotze (MD and founder and CEO of the Hotze Health & Wellness Center) Dr. Zach Bush (endocrinologist) Dr. and Professor Dolores Cahill (Immunologist and molecular biologist) Dr. and Professor Luc Montagnier (Virologist and Nobel Prize laureate in Medicine for his discovery of the human immunodeficiency virus (HIV)) Dr. Lynn Fynn (virology and infectious disease) Dr. Angie Farella (pediatric medical director) Dr. Peter McCullough and professor of medicine (MD) Dr. David Martin (M-CAM International Innovation Risk Management Chairman) Dr. Ella Nave (Environmental Epidemiologist) Dr. Janci Chunn Lindsay (molecular biologist and toxicologist) Dr. Bill Gallaher (virologist) Dr. Douglas J Green (immunologist and deputy editor of the journal Science Advances) Dr. Carrie Madej (osteopathic internal medicine physician) Stephanie Seneff (MIT senior research scientist) Romeo Quijano (Professor (Ret.)?Department of Pharmacology and Toxicology?College of Medicine) Dr. Andrew Wakefield (Physician and Academic who claims to have found the link between the combo MMR vaxxx and Autism) Dr. Jacob wes Ulm (MD Geneticist) Dr. Goh Kiang Hua (MD and consultant general surgeon and Fellow of the Royal College of Surgeons (FRCS)) Dr. Vladamir Zelenko (MD Physician) Dr. Charles Hoffe (MD) and many other doctors and scientist say this vaxxx is dangerous but you wouldn't know that because they get censored...not to mention these vaxxx’s according to the offical website for adverse reactions and (the opposite of alive) show these vaxxx’s have already hurt and (the opposite of alive) more people than any other vaxxx in the past 15 years combined. https://vaers.hhs.gov

From: TGbow
28-Sep-21
Frank, thats exactly why I dont trust Fauci, Biden and the media...they dont seem to want both sides to have a say in the matter. Im not anti vaccine but its hard to make a decision when we cant get the facts. One big problem I have with this particular vaccine, not sure if it is all of the brands, but aborted fetus were used in the research...not the vaccine itself. The rumor that it changes your DNA is not true though

From: Nemophilist
28-Sep-21

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I'm not anti-vaccine either. But these covid vaccines I don't trust. Fauci and the CDC has been caught lying by Fauci's own emails. To much lying going on. Also why haven't this administration closed the border and are letting thousands of illegals in that haven't been tested or vaccinated. Why did Pelosi have a fund raiser with no masks and no social distancing ? Why did Obama have a huge birthday bash with no masks and no social distancing ?

From: Nemophilist
28-Sep-21

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Something to think about.

From: Nemophilist
28-Sep-21

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CDC, WHO, Pfizer, staff are not being mandated to take the covid jab. And Biden has said white house staff are not being mandated to take the covid jab. Yet these lying hypocrites want everyone else to get it. I'm willing to bet Fauci, Gates, Soros, Biden, Pelosi, and many more of these evil politicians never go the real jab. It should be up to the individual if they want to get the vaccine or not.

From: Old Bow
28-Sep-21

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From: TGbow
28-Sep-21
Come on Walt...you know we can trust the gov..right.

From: EMB
28-Sep-21
You have to wonder and question why the media, big tech and the gov't absolutely and quickly shut down all contrary questions about the vaccines. Hello, I'm from the gov't, and I'm here to help you. Please bend over and grab your ankles.

From: Nemophilist
28-Sep-21

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Trust the government ? Yea right.

https://allthatsinteresting.com/tuskegee-experiment-syphilis-study

From: TGbow
28-Sep-21
JB, Im not sure there are enough constitutionalist on the Relublican side to make a difference. The Democrats have their Marxist agenda and the Republicans..well Im not sure what they stand for, there are a few that fight back but you have the Rubio type sell outs, Neocons.

From: TGbow
28-Sep-21
Since I work for a co that contracts to the government, guess I will have to get vaccinated or find another job

From: Old Bow
28-Sep-21

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From: smarba
28-Sep-21

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From: BowenAero
28-Sep-21

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From: TGbow
28-Sep-21
JB, but yet so many are willing to give up their freedom for what they percieve to be security. " a people willing to give up their freedom for security, deserve neither "

From: Bob H in NH
29-Sep-21
Nothing is mandated, yet.

Biden issued an "I want", now it's up to others to see if it can be implemented

I work for a government contractor and that's how our lawyers explained it to us employees

01-Oct-21
"Rumor has it tomorrow my employer is going to put me on leave without pay indefinitely. I work at a contractor to the federal gov. but there is no way I will get a shot that was either tested or developed with murdered baby humans. I don't think I should benefit off of a innocent person's bloodshed. Rather just find another way to make a living."

i respect your beliefs but im curious if you feel the same way about any of the other routine vaccines that were developed using the same cell lines?

From: TGbow
01-Oct-21
Rocky, sounds like Nazi Germany. Sad day when the US dont regard all life as valuable

From: Grey Ghost
01-Oct-21
"I work at a contractor to the federal gov. but there is no way I will get a shot that was either tested or developed with murdered baby humans.

FYI, they didn't use "murdered baby humans" to test these vaccines. They used lab grown cell lines that were originally derived from fetal material over 50 years ago to test the vaccines. I know that doesn't sound as melodramatic as the way you phrased it, though.

Matt

From: TGbow
01-Oct-21
Doesn't matter how old the fetus is, that sounds like something the Nazis did.

From: Grey Ghost
01-Oct-21
What if the fetal material came from a miscarriage? Would you still oppose using it to advance medical science?

Matt

From: TGbow
01-Oct-21
Yes I would oppose it. We shouldnt eat other human beings just because we are desperate..human nature tells us that...same difference

01-Oct-21
"Yes I would oppose it. We shouldnt eat other human beings just because we are desperate..human nature tells us that...same difference"

so if a murder victims organs could be used to save another persons life youd be against that too?

01-Oct-21
All the Google searching I did showed the cells were collected in the 60’s from two elective abortions.

From: TGbow
01-Oct-21
We are talking about government sanction of willfully taking innocent life

01-Oct-21
big difference in my opinion between taking a life of an innocent victim for the sole purpose of using it's parts... and using the parts of an innocent victim in order to save other lives after the fact. jesus was murdered and i have no doubt whatsoever he wouldn't have a problem if his body could be used to save others.

From: bigeasygator
01-Oct-21
Spot on, Ricky.

From: Grey Ghost
01-Oct-21

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The original stem cells used to grow stem cell lines in labs come from various sources including, 3-5 day old embryos, adult stem cells from bone marrow and fat, and stem cells from amniotic fluid as well as umbilical cord blood. Lab grown stem cells not only have and are used to test vaccines, which most of us have benefited from, but they are also being used to develop therapies for spinal cord injuries, type 1 diabetes, Parkinson's disease, amyotrophic lateral sclerosis, Alzheimer's disease, heart disease, stroke, burns, cancer and osteoarthritis, among other things...according to the Mayo Clinic.

I think it's a gross misrepresentation to claim all stem cell research and development comes from "murdered baby humans", but it makes for good political fodder.

Matt

From: TGbow
01-Oct-21
i see your point but to me, the aborted was a murder sanctioned by the gov. Not someone killed by a civilian. Not that both lives are not equally valuable.

01-Oct-21
Ricky, Jesus arose from the dead and remained for 40 days on this earth. Scars and all. His body and life was dedicated to save all. That was the purpose of it.

From: bigeasygator
01-Oct-21
Organ donation is a much more apples to apples comparison with the use of fetal cells than cannibalism is.

From: bigeasygator
01-Oct-21
Plenty of murder victims victims become organ donor. Are you saying they shouldn’t be?

From: bigeasygator
01-Oct-21
Debating about the importance of consent is a different point than the one you initially made which suggested there was some sort of relationship with murder and organ donation (“Except the fact that a person was murdered in the case of abortion.”)

From: KSflatlander
01-Oct-21
"...I think the point of this thread is getting guidance about the gov mandate and how to deal with it so.................."

My recommended solutions are to get the vaccine, go through the testing procedures, quit, or get fired.

From: bigeasygator
01-Oct-21
This^^^

01-Oct-21
...you two are missing another option ...stand up for life and liberty and fight! The Feds should be made to defend their non-scientific and extremely political decision to rule-out natural immunity as an exemption to their fascist mandate.

From: KSflatlander
01-Oct-21
"If you aren't offering solutions then you are part of the problem."

I guess crow is the main dish tonight as you did not offer any solutions.

From: Treeline
01-Oct-21
All of this total bullshit over this virus that is highly survivable with scientifically documented and highly effective treatments versus an injection that is documented to not be effective for prevention, transmition, hospitilization, or dying with it...

Injections that account for higher adverse reactions and deaths than all of the vaccines for all of the diseases over the last 30 years?

Totalitarian-Communism is certainly the virus. Covid is obviously how it is spread...

From: Grey Ghost
01-Oct-21
I have to agree with Andy. The fact that the government, and most of the media, are ignoring natural immunity in this whole mess makes no scientific sense, and it’s disturbing.

Matt

From: HDE
01-Oct-21
"My recommended solutions are to get the vaccine, go through the testing procedures, quit, or get fired."

You'd make a horrible corporate legal council or HR rep. All of what you just said is illegal.

From: bigeasygator
01-Oct-21
All of this total bullshit over this virus that is highly survivable with scientifically documented and highly effective treatments versus an injection that is documented to not be effective for prevention, transmition, hospitilization, or dying with it...

That is exactly the opposite of what the data suggests.

And you may call it “highly survivable,” but in the last week I’ve lost one friend to the disease and one is now incubated and it’s not looking good. They were both unvaccinated. These were healthy individuals. When you look at our most at risk population, I’d hardly call things “highly survivable.”

Sorry, but to suggest that the disease isn’t serious and that the vaccine isn’t effective is just not borne out by the data.

From: bigeasygator
01-Oct-21
You'd make a horrible corporate legal council or HR rep. All of what you just said is illegal.

My company has just removed the testing option for our offshore staff. It’s get vaccinated or find alternative employment.

From: KSflatlander
01-Oct-21
I agree GG, I don’t understand why a positive antibody test isn’t as good as a vaccine.

From: trublucolo
01-Oct-21
So much for follow the science…

From: TGbow
01-Oct-21
its been about the vaccine all along

From: Rocky D
01-Oct-21
“Totalitarian-Communism is certainly the virus. Covid is obviously how it is spread...”

X2, damn you are good today!

02-Oct-21
"So by your logic if you and your child were starving to death in the wilderness and he or she died would you eat them to save your life because they were innocent?"

not really an accurate comparison but lets explore it. intent matters. I would certainly never kill my child in order for me to survive, but if he or she had already died, i have no doubt they would want me to use their corpse in any way possible in order for me or others to survive. i know i would definitely want them to. after all, something in the wilderness is going to consume their corpse in order to survive, thats what god intended.

now lets actually compare apples to apples. If my child died in the wilderness and i could remove a few cells from their already dead body, clone them, and assuming I had enough time to use those cloned cells in order to grow something that I could eat in order to survive, I'd do it in a heartbeat. wouldn't you?

From: 70lbdraw
02-Oct-21
"My company has just removed the testing option for our offshore staff. It’s get vaccinated or find alternative employment."

I don't know what's worse, Good people losing good jobs over liberal hype, or that fact that you seem to celebrate other people's demise as your own little victoy?!

02-Oct-21
I’ll say it again. It appears that the MRNA vaccines were using cells obtained in the 60’s from two elective abortions.

02-Oct-21
"I’ll say it again. It appears that the MRNA vaccines were using cells obtained in the 60’s from two elective abortions."

that's only partially true. the cells used in the mrna vaccines aren't actually cells obtained from the 60s. the cells used to produce the vaccines are actually new cells that were grown in a laboratory based on the cells obtained back then. current fetal cell lines are thousands of generations removed from the original cells.

02-Oct-21
“Totalitarian-Communism is certainly the virus. Covid is obviously how it is spread” Can’t be over-stated enough. My point regarding natural immunity proves it. There’s no other reasonable explanation. The answer is if they acknowledge natural immunity their entire premise behind Covid safety protocols and their ability to control major sections of the population is dead in the water. That’s why people like me all over the country see this for what it is a Lie!!! The goalposts have been moved so many times were not on the playing field. Their explanations have changed everyday. The problem isn’t, as Biden would say, “the unvaccinated that need to be dealt with” it’s the Evil that’s spreading through our elected and unelected officials and bleeding into so called Drs and medical professionals who’ve been blinded by it. It’s Evil! I swore nearly the same oath of office 18 years ago as Joe did and 1 of us is blatantly violating it by his actions...

From: Knifeman
02-Oct-21
Anyone remember that not too long ago the antibodies in covid recoveries were so important that they were paying folks for their blood with the covid antibodies? I have an inlaw that in the early stages of the scamdemic got a grand for it. What changed?

02-Oct-21
NewBow...

i answered your question...are you going to answer mine?

"not really an accurate comparison but lets explore it. intent matters. I would certainly never kill my child in order for me to survive, but if he or she had already died, i have no doubt they would want me to use their corpse in any way possible in order for me or others to survive. i know i would definitely want them to. after all, something in the wilderness is going to consume their corpse in order to survive, thats what god intended.

now lets actually compare apples to apples. If my child died in the wilderness and i could remove a few cells from their already dead body, clone them, and assuming I had enough time to use those cloned cells in order to grow something that I could eat in order to survive, I'd do it in a heartbeat. wouldn't you?"

From: Grey Ghost
02-Oct-21
I think NewBorn just likes saying "murdered babies".

Matt

From: Rocky D
02-Oct-21
“ My recommended solutions are to get the vaccine, go through the testing procedures, quit, or get fired”

What happened to my body my choice?

It amazes me when our altruistic left wants to stand on the necks of free men. Their collectivism is a direct threat to individual rights and personal freedoms!

02-Oct-21
"I think NewBorn just likes saying "murdered babies".

i think "murdering babies" is a disgusting and immoral act in and of itself. i believe those who take part in it that will ultimately answer for that decision. that is an entirely different and separate issue than what happens after the fact and what good can come from a disgusting and immoral act. im pretty confident the god i worship can differentiate between the two.

02-Oct-21
"We don't have anything more to talk about on the abortion issue. It is clear you don't have a problem with it. Too bad your mom didn't practice what you preach!"

that couldn't be further from the truth regarding how i feel about abortion. the second part also tells us a lot about what kind of christian you are.

From: Grey Ghost
02-Oct-21
Newborn,

You're opposed to elective abortions. I get that. But, claiming "murdered babies" were used to test these vaccines is not only factually incorrect, it shows a profound lack of understanding about stem cell technology, and how it has and continues to be used to advance medical science.

"Too bad your mom didn't practice what you preach!"

This may be the most hypocritical comment you've made. You profess to be a Christian who is opposed to abortions, but you wish those who disagree with you on the vaccine issue would have been aborted. That's not very Christian-like of you.

Matt

From: HDE
02-Oct-21
"My company has just removed the testing option for our offshore staff. It’s get vaccinated or find alternative employment."

Then your company can face a costly lawsuit if they didn't follow the necessary steps to provide an accommodation or document and provide evidence that it causes a legitimate undue hardship on the company. Burden of proof is on them, not the employee. Title VII of the Civil Rights Act...

From: Bou'bound
02-Oct-21
Ahhh harkening back to the good old days when this site was about bowhunting.

From: 70lbdraw
02-Oct-21
"Ahhh harkening back to the good old days when this site was about bowhunting."

It still is. You simply need to click a thread with a hunting title, rather than a political title. It's really quite simple. You're welcome!

From: HDE
02-Oct-21
I would rather discuss politics, from time to time, with "like minded" folks than flaming liberals...

From: bigeasygator
02-Oct-21
Then your company can face a costly lawsuit if they didn't follow the necessary steps to provide an accommodation or document and provide evidence that it causes a legitimate undue hardship on the company

I’m sure we’ll be fine.

From: TGbow
02-Oct-21
Well, Im glad everyone on this site is here today. Even among prolifers there is different opinions to a degree. Im glad all of our mothers were pro life..I was born in 60 but my mother would have layed down here life for all 8 of us...how she kept her sanity I will never know..lol...I sure miss her

From: TGbow
02-Oct-21
Nate, I dont call the bunch we got in DC Liberals..they are leftist thugs. Ive been called a Classical Liberal before..lol Gonna have to look that up

From: HDE
02-Oct-21
"I’m sure we’ll be fine."

Maybe, probably. Everyone knows companies ran by the prima-dona's from ATM can't be touched. But how awesome it would be for an entire hitch to walk off the job and shut an offshore operation down...

From: TGbow
02-Oct-21
Nate, there are a whole lot of folks where I work, thousands, that are threatening to walk off

From: bigeasygator
02-Oct-21
We had offshore staff walk off the job when we instituted mandatory testing and quarantining. But even with those measures it’s gotten to the point where we cannot afford to have anything but a vaccine mandate. In a typical year, we average about a dozen Medevac flights across our offshore assets. The last two months we had a roughly a hundred in response to COVID incidents offshore. On multiple incidents we’ve had to shut in and de-man platforms for in deep cleaning and disinfection. The absence of a vaccine mandate was becoming unsustainable for our operations. The mandate was just announced - I wouldn’t be surprised if we lose staff to it. But it will likely prove far less costly than the alternative.

From: Thornton
02-Oct-21
Lots of RNs walking off jobs because they don't want to be vaccinated. Travel agencies are blowing up with opportunities for both covid response and lack of RNs. My agency does not require the vaccine, neither do either ER I'm working. This may change, but not before my contract is up. I have a coworker in AZ making $7k a week for 48 hours of work in an ICU. With more hospitals implementing the mandate, more opportunities will come open. The time is right for a vaccinated RN to make a lot of money.

From: TGbow
02-Oct-21
it just sounds like to me this is about the vaccine and control, and not the virus..I dont mean every individual involved but the grand scheme of things

From: Thornton
02-Oct-21
The vaccine for healthcare workers already infected is completely asinine. I'd estimate at least 40-50% my coworkers are unvaccinated, this includes practitioners, physicians, and the rest of us. We all got covid last year and we treat covid patients daily with no reinfection.

From: TGbow
02-Oct-21
Jason, my wife lost one of her friends to Covid last week. She had been on a ventilator, started improving a little but then passed away. My wife's uncle was 93 and passed away. I definitely dont take it lightly. Myslef, my wife and 17 yr old daughter had it last month. Thank God we made it thru. Im 61, my wife is 54..they had some issues with their lungs but nothing major. I had bad head congestion and tired for first 4 days. Went back to work 10 days from the date of testing. Got over heated and went to the hospital. My EKG was perfect they said, oxygen level was 98%, heart rate was 95...which is normally about 65 at rest heart rate. Its strange how it effects people so different

From: HDE
03-Oct-21
"The mandate was just announced - I wouldn’t be surprised if we lose staff to it. But it will likely prove far less costly than the alternative."

Just as long as the company man's up and takes responsibility if an employee forced to take it has an adverse reaction to it. This vaccine mandate is walking on very thin ice...

From: TGbow
03-Oct-21
Not to mention the mandate is unconstitjtional

03-Oct-21
Hey Ricky, thanks for writing it out correctly. I’m not sure anyone here is smart enough to correlate that the cells they are growing now, came from two aborted babies in the 60’s.

Shew, I’m not sure this conversation would have survived had we just said they came from two aborted babies in the 60’s.

Thin hair splitting makes for lost souls.

03-Oct-21
BEG, how many of those flights ended in an icu visit?

04-Oct-21
It’s pretty telling when a man gets on the internet and makes claims. Claims he was using to suggest Covid was ravaging a companies off shore operations.

All the while leaving out what surrounds the whole situation. Covid positive. The whole team is flying out to go into quarantine. Yet, we hear how the unvaccinated are costing such high costs. I wander how many of those flown out are Covid positive. Or exhibiting symptoms. We will never know. All we hear is a twisted plot.

It’s the over reaction, demanded by a minority of the population, that is dictating Covid responses by big companies. And. It’s minions spreading their version of the truth fueling it.

04-Oct-21
"Hey Ricky, thanks for writing it out correctly. I’m not sure anyone here is smart enough to correlate that the cells they are growing now, came from two aborted babies in the 60’s."

i get that people have firmly held religious beliefs. i have my own. i am firmly pro life. i can however differentiate between a baby that was killed in order to use its parts, and a baby that was killed for completely separate reason, having their cells used to save other lives. if a greater good can come from a tragedy, i'm all for it. no different to me than using a persons organs who was brutally murdered in order to save another persons life.

i just hope that the people that can't or won't make that differentiation also refuse to use tylenol, ibuprofen, aspirin, sudafed, tums, pepto bismol, benadryl, claratin, sudafed, or maalox. they were all developed using fetal cell lines also.

04-Oct-21
I don’t recall any of those pain relievers being made from aborted baby cells. I understand you are willing to say that it’s ok to use the cells grown in a lab from those aborted babies for a vaccine. I’m not here to say whether that is wrong of you. I’m just saying there is a lot of splitting hairs to justify ones own means in this discussion. From accepting that reality as justified to, insinuating a company is flying so many sick people off off shore rigs, that mandating vaccines only makes sense.

You look at it as you must for your conscious. Allow others the same without all the shaming. That’s the happy median.

From: TGbow
04-Oct-21
I got it!!!

I will simply tell my employer that I "identify" as vaccinated...that should work ..shouldnt it?

04-Oct-21
"I don’t recall any of those pain relievers being made from aborted baby cells."

if you found out that they were, were you stop taking them?

https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/20210918/some-medications-also-tied-to-religious-vaccine-exemption

i didn't shame anyone. im just trying to be consistent is all.

From: bigeasygator
04-Oct-21
All the while leaving out what surrounds the whole situation. Covid positive. The whole team is flying out to go into quarantine. Yet, we hear how the unvaccinated are costing such high costs. I wander how many of those flown out are Covid positive. Or exhibiting symptoms. We will never know. All we hear is a twisted plot.

You don't seem to have a grasp of what oil companies policies have been.

Until now, for us, all that was required was a period of quarantining at home or in a hotel for roughly a week before going offshore. Also, a pre-flight PCR test was administered and a negative result was required before getting on the flight. Vaccinated individuals were exempt from the quarantining requirements (submittal of vaccination status was voluntary), but still required to perform the PCR tests.

Despite these mitigating measures, we still incurred multiple instances of COVID in our offshore locations along with the associated costs - Medevac flights, decontamination costs, and in multiple instances, deferred oil production. Most hitches are two weeks, and it's likely individuals were exposed to the virus and still in the incubation period when they were tested and flew offshore.

As we understand who was exempt from the quarantining requirements due to their vaccination status (again, voluntarily sumbitted) and also know which individuals were coming down sick offshore, a quick cross reference of the lists resulted in the vaccination mandate being seen as the logical step in mitigating the issues.

There is no "twisted plot," whatever that means - just the complexity and realities of dealing with the pandemic.

04-Oct-21
You are most definitely correct in that I don’t have a grasp on anyone making the claims you have. You are a smart one BEG.

I know this. Covid positive equals 14 day quarantine. Minimum. Covid exposed equals quarantined until incubation and a negative test result. Etc…. It ain’t rocket science. Nor is it ground breaking. But, one thing you left out is the urgency of corporate in doing something when a positive Covid test hits in a work force. Covid being used by employees as ammo against corporate America is guaranteed. And, they know it. It’s just another example of negative side effects associated with this whole debacle.

But, you go on and defend your stance as if it’s a non mandate causing the problems. And, all the costs you used as justification for a mandate is nothing more then a forced reaction by people who are afraid of this virus killing them. And a HR department trying to head off the lawsuits.

Save your breath talking about lost production too. I shake my head at anyone who thinks a shot is going to stop the panic that like minded people as you, have spread into shear hysteria. Over what? Dying?

Ricky, I quit taking over the counter medicine a long time ago short of cough syrup. Prescription too. And, I’ve likely laid under the knife more then most here. It’s a Choice. You have options. Just like you should with the vaccine.

Consistency is the result of handling what is yours to do and, allowing others to do the same.

Y

From: Orion
04-Oct-21
BGE curious why the quarantine period wasn't the same for everyone? Also how many of those cases did the individuals have to go to the ICU? Did of any of them pass away?

From: bigeasygator
04-Oct-21
BGE curious why the quarantine period wasn't the same for everyone? Also how many of those cases did the individuals have to go to the ICU? Did of any of them pass away?

The quarantine requirement was removed for vaccinated individuals and essentially followed CDC guidance. In terms of outcomes, I don't know the results of all of the cases (there have literally been hundreds of them). To my knowledge, no one passed away but admittedly I don't know the outcomes for everyone that was evacuated - only the impact these cases have had on our business.

From: TGbow
04-Oct-21
This is my last post on this thread. Lot of good input but I dont know the answer to a lot of things..and there will always be different opinions among doctors, nurses, ect.

One thing I do know is we are losing our freedoms more and more and its nearly always during some kind of crisis..remember the Patriot Act, Obama Care. If you want to get the vacvine..get it, if you dont..it should be your choice.

Just like marajuana..I dont have any use for it personally but a person should have the right to smoke it, eat it, whatever. Years back, some Asian folks were wanting to build a Buddist Temple in our area. One Sunday morning we had a discussion at church and some were trying to find ways to stop it. Me and another fella stood up and protested the silly notion.

I may not agree with a lot of things in this world but if we give the gov the power to take away something we dont like, that same power can come back and bite you in the butt. I understand both sides and both sides of the vax issue have valid points. For me, I dont want to be forced to get it

04-Oct-21
Nice post TG

From: kyrob
04-Oct-21
I think if the government was really worried about our health they would be standing at the border giving out vaccinations as they let the masses from the South roll in, or better yet, just stop all the people coming in til the pandemic is over. There's more to it all I think but we may never know the whole story.

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