Who's more important?
General Topic
Trump or Jesus?
With people now often being defined on this forum as a "pro-Trumper" or "never-Trumper" and how charged that can be it had me thinking if anyone else ever was this defining as a person. As in what they did was so important that people would either align themselves with or without this person. Jesus came to mind, seeing as millions of people have literally pledged their life to him. The "pro-Christ" people are called christians, and there is no denying his impact, and how it seems to even be growing thousand of years since his death.
Thought it might be interesting to ask the question: "Who's more important to you in life? Trump or Jesus? Keep it civil.
Jesus of course. Trump just makes our time on this earth easier to bear.
Adam, you might have to explain to some people on here that there is a difference between Trump and Jesus.
Jesus first, Family Second, Trump 3rd (forgive me Lord, I'm kidding) !
I saw Trump as a barrier, to this Country diving headfirst into a Socialist nightmare. Never really had much to do with Politics, until 2016.
Looking at the State of the Country right now, after just a few months of Leftist rule, I feel like my concerns were far from unfounded.
Jesus. Jesus dont ride an elephant or a donkey. I voted for Trump but if my own father was president and he pushes for something I disagree with Im just gonna have to disagree with him. I dont have to l Iike somebody's personality or their looks to vote for them. Whether you like Trump or not ...I dang sure would trade him back right now for this tyrant we have in office
I have lived my life with God/Jesus first & though not so good many times in my liftime take the mind set that "if" one keeps just a little faith, your needs will be met & you & yours will be taken care of. Next comes family. Then all the other worldy chit. Trump & his decisions (to me) were what we as Americans needed & need again. NO person guides my life but God does.. Deny God & you will suffer (my thoughts)
The obvious answer is the only answer. Trump is just another sinner, but he had the guts and intelligence to implement some ideas that this country has needed for a long time, and he’s not politically correct. In fact, he’s not political much at all, which was very refreshing. All the presidents we’ve had in my lifetime were politicians to the core, with the attendant baggage that all politicians have.
Trump can’t save the world, or any individual in it, but Jesus can. Trump can’t see the future or he would have acted differently, but Jesus can. It’s childs play to see who’s most important.
The whole water into wine and filling the net with fish thing, I got to give it to Jesus :) To relate it to hunting, Jesus is into net scores and Trump is into gross scores...lol
Jesus. And ironically Trump did more for the Church than the last few including Joe. As long as you leave his personal life out. IMHO
Jesus…not even a question. And i seriously doubt that many believe Trump is any part of that conversation and if so they are just extreme whackos that are no better than the extreme whackos on the left. There arent many things in life that you would be better served to be to the extreme side of, but the one thing would be the bible and what it says. No man here on earth is any kind of able to be perfect like He was. However, each sinner with his own sin, there are certainly sinners that are much better for the direction of this country and the left ain’t it. The bible matters not to that ideology as a whole. So, Trump aint Jesus, thats silly and its not even worth discussing. But as said above, I think a lot of people (Christians especially) see him as the guardrail on the side of the road that keeps you from rolling down the mountain to a fiery crash. The people that deny thats what is happening, well, you’re always gonna have them people. All we can do is pray for em and our country as a whole because only God can right this ship
Jesus first.
But as long as we are being biblical look up the sins of David, Moses and Saul, the early leaders of Christianity. They were huge sinners....
This may be the most rhetorical question I've ever seen on Bowsite.
Matt
Almost all the wars were religion founded.
I expect this thread to be the same
Tgbow... jesus specifically rides a donkey, it's written in the bible in black and white.
Guess I'd vote Jesús given those 2 options. That would leave the multiple time adulterer, abortion financier, snake tongue liar, and thief as a close second
"This may be the most rhetorical question I've ever seen on Bowsite. Matt "
Certainly up there with 'recurve or longbow?' ;-)
Topic is just a thinly veiled shot at Trump.How about Obama or Jesus.Hint:one is atheist.
"How about Obama or Jesus. Hint:one is atheist. "
Hint -*I* am an atheist, and yet I prefer the words of Jesus to those of Obama. Jeshua Bar Yusuf was a very smart rabbi...
I lean atheist, so I like to do good for my community, family, and others in general just because it's the right thing to do. That's atheism in a nutshell. If the big guy in the sky is real, when I get an invitation, hopefully in 40-50 years and not sooner, he will - assuming all I hear about him is true - say "Hey, check it out, this dude didnt even think I was really here and he did lots of good by others and the world, open those pearly gates!"
If he's not, then hopefully my family can really do that whole cremation used to grow a tree thing with me so I can give back to the earth that gave me everything. Actually, hopefully that happens regardless.
That said, I'd like to think that one's spiritual world view - be it Christianity, Atheism, Judaism, Hinduism, Buddhism or whatever - would hold a higher value than a person who wants to be or once was the president of a nation.
In theory all of those things should have one seeking a better world for all. They all want people to live positive, healthy, productive lives which foster a greater existence for each of us.
So, if one's religion is (or has become) Trumpism (or frankly Bidenism or Clintonism, or Reganism etc), then that would suggest some priorities that need assessment... In my mind.
my belief is that the first commandment and exodus 20:3 addresses your question quite directly.
"thou shalt have no other gods before me"
“How about Obama or Jesus.Hint:one is atheist.“
This is a prime example of how low social media can take us. 4nolz can make an inflammatory, unfounded, and untrue statement like this and nobody challenges him. Making a statement like this is the opposite of the Bible teachings.
Our country and democracy is bigger than any one person. We do not have a national religion. It was purposefully set up that way.
Dumbest thread ever…
Jesus or Trump? As a Christian, answer is a nobrainer. But, have a problem with extremist supporters of each; from the Sunday morning TV "seed money" begging charlatans to the disruptive "patriotic" capitol Hill invaders.
Tough question? One is a self proclaimed God, and the other is Jesus. Blasphemy has never been more fun! By the way, we are all atheists. You are either an atheist to all gods, or every other god but your own, because all religions with many different gods to worship and praise make the same claim, (that there is but one god)....therefore someone has it wrong. It's them of course! Jesus 2024!
Obama ran on a religious platform until elected then ignored the bible's teachings.
Would it change anyone's mind if one of them shot Rage broadheads?
Community Forum dead? Pardon my chuckle, but a Forum by any other name is still odorous.
I'm not an American but can't help the interest. We seem to be living a parallel political life in Canada, with it seems, less hope in a worldly type of way. We are living in a time where there is a major war on Christianity and seemingly anything traditional or logical at times. Critical theory has brainwashed the masses into thinking (or "re-imagining") basic truths like gender, everyone is not "born a racist", maybe kids don't need a father or mother and the list goes on and on and it seems like the deeper you dig in, the more twisted it gets.
Both the US and Canada were founded on christian principles and the Bible's basic morals. In the present age these seem to slipping away faster than we can even keep up to hear about it. You're left wondering sometimes "Am I nuts, or is everyone else nuts?? Surely it must be me!" But the scriptures remind me that while I am an incredibly broken sinner with more problems than most, I am not nuts in my assessment of our culture. It is fading fast. Of course our ultimate hope is in Jesus, and now more than ever, I daily think about and await his return. I can't be sure that it will be in my lifetime, but I have never felt so "ready and excited" for it as now. Having said all that, when someone enters the political race from the outside of politics who says something like "I'll be the best president for christians in years" and follows that up with coming through on multiple promises and works hard to at least slow the erosion of society (which I'll admit is ultimately inevitable because our nations are immersed in sin), one can't help but become quote passionately supportive of a leader like that. In 1st and 2nd Samuel we read the incredible story of David, and his incredible leadership qualities. Was he a "great guy"? Maybe, maybe not. I mean he had sex with a married woman and then murdered her husband to try and hide it. So, far from perfect for sure. But he was a LEADER and God chose him. God works through broken men all the time. Why did God choose Paul, someone who was responsible large genocide of christians. Then the guy turns his life around and writes more of the bible than anyone. I can't help but think that God can and often does choose these guys just to remind us of both his grace and his power, and I'm thankful for that. So no, Trump isn't more important than Jesus, not even close, but he's a small glimmer of worldly hope, while we wait for our secure future after life on earth
I like Trump a lot but until he can walk on water, turn water into wine and defy death there’s really no comparison.
KS,, I agree our nation was set up for freedom of religion. There are a lot of religions I disagree with but I 100% support their freedom of worship. Unless a particular religion crosses the line and engages in violent acts against US citizens
The answer is clear. Why a Canadian feels compelled to even ask it is dumb. Must be a Trudeau man.
I've always felt that "discussions" about religion or politics between grown men (or women) were a waste of time. Everyone's mind is already made up and no one ever seems to change their opinion. It would be a lot more fun if these "debates'' were held in person and then when it all goes to sh*t parties could don boxing gloves and just go at it. Still, no one would likely change their minds but I enjoy a good fight.
"Are you saying that Jesus Christ can't hit a curve ball?"
"It's very bad to drink Jo Boo's rum. Very bad."
"Would it change anyone's mind if one of them shot Rage broadheads? "
Thanks, now I have a picture in my head of Jesus with an Assyrian horn bow... ;-)
Those Rage exit wounds are Huuuuge
Link, finally spellcheck gets it right with your reference of nonacaholic Trump turning water into "whine." Yep, bullseye! LOL
No contest, of course. Jesus.
Will--John 14:6 says "Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." While I commend you for your good deeds, there's more to know. Don't hesitate to pick up a Bible and check out the Word.
Neither. But if I had to pick, Trump because the libtards hate him so much.
M.Pauls, that was a great post. I never was a Trump fan because of his personality and behavior, but your comparing him to David really puts some perspective on his presidency. David was far from perfect, yet he was God's anointed and was a "man after God's own heart". Your points are well taken that throughout history God used men who could be viewed as evil to do his will. Perhaps that explains Trumps election. I do like what he did and tried to do for the USA. He isn't a political hack and made no bones about it. I sure do wish he had won again.
Adam, to the original question: "...if anyone else ever was this defining as a person. As in what they did was so important that people would either align themselves with or without this person"....I'd say there have been many individuals and ideologies in history and in the present who have fit this description. Just look at a current example like Fauci...he stated if you oppose him you are opposing "Science". He wants people to define themselves as "Pro-Science" and by association to be "Pro-Fauci". It seems to happen throughout history all the time with different leaders and ideologies to varying degrees.
I think the bigger underlying question here is "whom do I worship"? The Bible clearly states that if you worship and adore anything (be it a golden calf, a politician, health, "Science", money, hobbies or even your own family) above the Lord you are committing idolatry and violating the first commandment. I think it's helpful to step back from the Trump question and just examine generally what we worship in our own life. Everything in this world is temporal (James 4:13-14) and nothing, apart from Christ, is worthy of sitting on the thrown of our hearts. Ultimately, every person worships something or someone and defines their lives around that. We are creatures created to worship. If you look at the Book of Revelation, all of eternity will be filled with worshipping the Lamb, it's our ultimate purpose to bring God glory. But as sinners we often misdirect our worship to the temporal instead of the eternal.
Having said all that, that doesn't mean there aren't still things to be enjoyed in this life, politicians and ideas to strongly support or strongly oppose, or goals to be pursued. Christians are called to be involved in civic life, to stand up for what is good and to oppose what is evil and for many Christians this has meant supporting Trump. If I were American I certainly would have voted for him, especially considering the alternatives. I think you can be "pro-Trump" in a political sense without being "Pro-Trump" in a religious sense. That is true of many, if not the majority, of Christians who have supported Trump (I know there is also a lot of actual "Trump worship" going on and of course that is sinful idolatry). Of course Jesus is more important than Trump (or Bernier haha), that's not even a debate for a true Christian. But Jesus was not on the ballot when I voted in the election and so I need to act wisely with the very imperfect choices I'm given.
Jesus no doubt. Incidentally Trump was very supportive of Christians. The other day I heard Biden make a comment that nobody is talking about. It went something like this when referring to his green new deal proposal. “We will get it done if it takes 6 days 6 weeks or 6 months”
You folks need to go hunting.
"It is when a people forget God, that tyrants forge their chains." - Patrick Henry
Call me ignorant, but I think the right answer is 'Biden'.
Neither Trump nor Jesus have been able to opine since China joe took over.
But we sure have plenty of folks 'praising and kneeling' to the new pandemic dictatorship though, don't we?
How is this even a real question? It would be Jesus.
Threads ( politics non-hunting ) like this is the reason I've gravitated away from bowsite and dumped some of my friends on Facebook. I'm sick of the politics brought on by social media. Back in the good old days you didn't see 95% of the political bickering posts you seen now. Bow hunting is my out from it.
