Hopefully Virginia has had enough of CRT and other leftist foolishness. Clinton radical puppet McAuliffe is now polling behind Youngkin by a couple of points.
IMO....a Republican win in Virginia would foretell the demise of Biden's and Pelosi's attempts to complete the destruction of this nation.
My prediction ( well not a prediction an unfortunate fact) is it will be to close to call by the time we all go to bed. When we wake up the dems will have won in a landslide victory.
Unfortunately this is now the norm until this country is destroyed.
I just read, where a Judge just overruled the requirement to include the last 4 of the SSN on mail-in and absentee ballots (a violation of State Election Law), in Fairfax County.
Same crap, different Election...setting up for the steal. Those types of ballots went 10 to 1 for Biden in 2020.
I am just blown away with how totally screwed up our election systems are and how rabid the Democrats are about institutionalizing un-Constitutional cheating in elections. And how the judicial branch is in support of this insanity across the board.
The tree of liberty is definitely in bead of watering…
The dem cheating and voter fraud will happen. These days, the Independent vote must overcome the cheaters and fraudulent voters for any conservative to win. That is the condition created by dem pols and crooked judges, and will, if not stopped, be the ultimate ruin of this once great nation.
The stakes are too high to not see a fix in the works. In my state we have had a bag of Demoncrat votes appear in a large city in the last seven or eight elections. Of course it is also the last city to report results. Nothing to look at here, move along.
If we don’t take the mid-terms considering our dolt of a prez and the socialist takeover in the wings, then we absolutely will lose this country and deserve to. The two current governors races will be a preview to the mid-terms.
Difficult to prove whether harvested ballots were legit, and how many. But this we do know for a fact - the total vote difference between Trump winning and losing the Electoral College was less than 45,000 votes between AZ, GA, and WI, in three counties. The possibility of harvesting or faking 45,000 ballots in three counties with questionable election practices, where major swings happened in the middle of the night, isn't difficult to imagine.
If McAullife wins, it may just be the straw that breaks the camels back! School board members think they're in danger now?? They might want to start packing heat!
Nope. Unless your sole attempt is to be an asshead. Then it’s not hard to understand.
It kills me the people who reverence the courts as if they are the morality that defines right versus wrong. Yet, I don’t remember a state willing to withhold the cries of foul. Kinda a move along, there is nothing to see here kinda thing.
They changed the rules, kicked out the auditors, then continued to count votes. Changing results literally over night. Who the heck wouldn’t think there was foul play involved?
But, because a guy has voted in CO with mail in ballots, we have to hear bravado as if it’s all figured out. As if all is well. The look and sound like a duck analogy doesn’t appear to apply in all cases with all people.
Hurry up, get inline. Pay your taxes and those of the 35-40 million illegal immigrants that haven’t been let loose in our society. Remember, we have closed borders. Nonetheless, let’s make a budget and finance gay rights, fences being built, and all hosts of things in foreign countries. It’s all good. The train is still on the tracks. Let’s just ram up the speed and derail this booger.
As long as I’ve got the condo, the farm, plus a house or two on the beach, who cares where it’ll end up. I’ll be gone.
"It dates back almost 30 years and only found 1147 individual criminal convictions of voter fraud".
Yeah, getting Criminal convictions seems to be getting tougher, especially in those Counties where fraud was found. Getting the right Judge on the bench, creates endless possibilities to absolve fraud, despite the amount of solid evidence presented.
I agree, Bryon. How stupid was McAwful to say that parents shouldn't have any say in school curriculums? If that doesn't swing the election in Youngkin's favor, I don't know what would.
Trump's lead collapsed over the night as "additional" votes were counted. Now Trump's lawyers, Sidney Powell and Rudy Guiliani have faced defamation suits over their accusations of Dominion voting machines. It's pretty tough to prove and the evidence doesn't seem to be there that the voting machines alone caused the swing.
However, Bill O'Reilly and Mark Levin have been lone voices in the wilderness to probably have uncovered what exactly occurred to swing the election. O'Reilly actually presented his evidence to Trump recently and reminded him it wasn't even illegal but should be legislated as illegal for the next election.
Here's how it worked:
Mark Zuckerberg (Facebook founder) and his wife donated 419 MILLION dollars to two "non-profit" and "non-partisan" groups , Center for Technology & Civic Life and Center for Election Innovation Research. These two heavily funded groups worked in AZ, GA, MI, N.C., PA, TX and VA. The groups paid and sent out "Vote Navigators" who did ballot curing and vote bundling. These people went door to door to solicit, correct and collect votes mostly in poor Biden precincts and explained the candidates and what they stood for, who to vote for etc.....
This is for now legal and can swing any election with enough money...….like 400 Million dollars. Many of these people would never have bothered voting and were probably very ignorant of the candidates and issues and could be easily manipulated. One can imagine...…..
Illegal Immigrants turned loose into this country are being given tax payer funded benefits. Just like citizens. There is zero hope that’ they are going to work for anything. Just like the citizen receiving those same incentives.
There is a reason that every single Brazilian and Haitian interviewed referred to things in this country being so much better then living in their native lands.
America. Home of the free handouts and the dumbest most spoiled voting populace on the face of the earth. Why not come here. If you don’t have a criminal record, they’ll detain you in a comfortable place for a week or so, put you infront of a judge for a citizenship hearing, then turn you loose to co e back in a couple years for your hearing to start the costly procedure of becoming an American.
For goodness sakes, I can’t imagine why that doesn’t work. You can’t make this up.
I say prosecute every politician to the fullest extent of the law. If a police officer has to account for smoking a joint 12 years before the academy, why don’t politicians have to be accountable for creating and nurturing this mess?
Anyone that thinks sleepy Joe, a guy that has ran for president twice with no traction, all of a sudden legally got 81 million votes is delusional at best. I’ve never seen such widespread outspoken support for a president such as the one that got the second highest voter turnout in history. If Youngkin doesn’t win this we just as well all start living off the government tit because working for a living won’t do you any good if these communist retards keep cheating.
pretty good race so far, come on Terry! The suburban area will probably decided the race and it's normally heavy Democrat but then again it could change. I love election may the best man win
I think many people voted for Biden just because he wasn't Trump. Heck, Mickey Mouse probably could have carried a few states, and could probably do a better job than Biden.
And for the record, I wasn't a Trump supporter in his first election, but I was in the second. I will proudly don my MEGA hat if he runs again in 2024.
I agree with GG. I don't think Biden got all 81 million for him. I don't know the percentage, but whatever is (let's say 5%) we're votes against Trump. And like GG. I couldn't bring myself to vote for Trump the first time. But I sure did in 2020
Dang Keith! Just cause we didn't vote for Trump first time around doesn't mean you have to insult our intelligence by asking if we voted for Hillary :)
On every political thread, someone chimes in about the "bowlibs defending Biden". I have yet to see anyone defend Biden on this site. I have seen and participated in disputing some of the far right propaganda and misinformation that prevails here, but I don't recall anyone ever speaking favorably about anything Biden has done. Perhaps someone can provide examples to the contrary.
With 2 million absentee ballots waiting in boxes under a table just in case. In case they need to pull them out at three in the morning CNN has declared McAuliffe the winner
“You must have missed all of Ksflatlanders post praising him?“
Oh boy, here we go again. I was going to try to avoid this thread but then there always one who solicits the bowlibs to post.
Right after January 6th I posted on a political thread that I felt my vote for Biden was vindicated based on Trump, his family, his entourage, and some of his supporters actions and words at the capital and eventual coup attempt. I still feel that was enough vindication for my vote.
Then someone posted (70lbs oe Missouribreaks I believe) that they wanted anyone to post any Biden policy they thought was good. I posted 3 things I agreed with I believe.
If you all want to call that praise…sure I guess. I have also been critical of some of Biden’s decisions. I’m not a Biden disciple or so brained washed in the left wing that I’m going to defend every single dumb decision, policy, action, or idea for Biden or anyone else. I’m willing to be critical for those I vote for and I don’t always vote Democrat. If I see something that I think is wrong I’ll call it out regardless if I voted for them or not. Unlike some here who can’t see or say one critical thing about Trumps decisions, actions, words, or policies. That is a red flag and frankly alarming.
I’m still happy that Trump is no longer our president. His assault on the foundations of our constitution and the institution of our presidency are the greatest risk to our democracy in my lifetime.
Voter fraud…aka the Big Lie and you some of you fell for it with absolutely no credible evidence. Cyber Ninjas…cyber ninjas…lets go Brandon…let’s go. It’s a damn cult.
I don't care what equipment they use to unload carriers. Teach the immigrants how to use it, since our citizess don't seem to be interested in learning how to earn an honest living.
"I’m still happy that Trump is no longer our president. His assault on the foundations of our constitution and the institution of our presidency are the greatest risk to our democracy in my lifetime".
"I’m not a Biden disciple or so brained washed in the left wing that I’m going to defend every single dumb decision, policy, action, or idea for Biden or anyone else."
We can explain it to you, we can't understand it for you...
Trump wasn't perfect by any means. I have no issues saying that. I've caught him stepping on his tongue a number of times. There's no sense in rehashing his accomplishments or failures. Saying you're glad that Trump is out, you're basically saying that Biden is the lesser of 2 evils? Yes/no?
"His assault on the foundations of our constitution and the institution of our presidency are the greatest risk to our democracy in my lifetime".
I'm curious as to how that assault has been thwarted. You think China Joe has been the fix for Trumps dedication to the people, rather than the establishment; I have to ask you to address what you hated about Trump, then follow up with how FJB has improved each point.
I can't help but wonder what ever happened to, "sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me."?
Kyle Bush was ordered to go to sensitivity training because he called another drivers actions "retarded". Is that what you agree with? I personally think it's time to go back to using sticks and stones.
KSflatlander......which Biden policies have made you happy? Afghanistan disaster including 13 dead American heroes? Bidenflation? Shutting down oil pipeline? Awarding illegals 450K each? $4/gallon fuel prices? Supply chain issues/empty store shelves? Vaccine mandates? Critical Race Theory taught in schools? Putting a domestic terrorist tree-spiker in charge of Bureau of Land Management? Threatening the filibuster? Considering packing the SCOTUS?
Which of those, or perhaps other radical leftist ideas do you like?
“I'm curious as to how that assault has been thwarted. You think “China Joe has been the fix for Trumps dedication to the people, rather than the establishment; I have to ask you to address what you hated about Trump, then follow up with how FJB has improved each point.“
Trump emboldened idiots to try to stop a constitutional process. Trump keeps pushing a lie and a conspiracy that the election was stolen. I don’t see Biden doing that. I like that he’s not on twitter incessantly marginalizing people or whole groups of people.
Biden isn’t getting everything he wants in his economic package and the main reason is 2 Democrats. I give him props for talking with them and compromising. That’s refreshing and novel.
“ Kyle Bush was ordered to go to sensitivity training because he called another drivers actions "retarded". Is that what you agree with? I personally think it's time to go back to using sticks and stones.”
NASCAR is a private company. They can do what they please as long as they stay within the law. Personally, I think what Kyle Busch said was stupid. But on his own time (without M&M Mars logo on his chest) in private I agree he can say whatever he wants. He is privately employed. Do you want the government to step in here Mr. Conservative?
Trumps ideology was fantastic !!! his narcissism & big fing mouth not so much. The devide currently in this country is absolutely unbelievable & im not sure if we can recover from it. Ya have the radical right wanting a 2nd Civil War & they intend on it just go try to buy some ammo ya can't they've horded it all. But I ask whome ya gonna shoot first your dem neighbors & their children ???###!!!*** seriously whose this war gonna be against & what's the outcome gonna be. Ya gonna go back to a dictatorship. Ya gonna do away with the dems; democracy & the constitution is that your plan..........just remember the original patriots fought to escape a dictatorship !!! I live in va I voted republican across the board but i consider myself an independent with conservative values. But also believe in helping people in need. In fact I spent the entire morning grinding up a deer I shot the other day baged it & delivered it to a woman that cooks meals for the church that feeds the homeless & less fortunate in my area. ......... for all you radical right out there helping people is a dem value ....just keep that in mind ....
Ya just keep arguing while the dems set up another stolen election.
Fairfax County to release partial county of early in-person ballot count Fairfax County, which was on track to miss a self-imposed 8pm deadline for reporting its early vote ballots, will release a partial county of their early voter in-person ballot count, a state party official tells Fox News' Rich Edson.
They have to re-scan a portion of them and will release the portion of what they have completed soon.
Talk about assualt on the foundations of our constitution..lol Granted, both parties are guilty but I dont think we could get any more assaulted on our constitution than these leftist Democrats we have in office now
timex, your comment that helping people is a dem value is patently false. Statistics have shown the Republicans give more to charities than Democrats. So you ground up a deer, good on you ! Not to have a pissing contest, but every month, (there are twelve of them in each year), my wife and I give $25 each to the Shriners Hospital, to St. Jude, and to Tunnel to Towers. When I was in business and when I was consulting I paid confiscatory taxes so my government could give it away as they saw fit. The Dems were giving when they formed the KKK too I reckon. They were giving when they invoked Jim Crow laws and stood in school doorways to keep black kids out. Yeah, they’re just a giving bunch, those Dems…….
Repubs may very well be doing it, after studying the Dem playbook from 2020. Harvest ballots in neighborhoods from people who otherwise wouldn't vote while "helping" them figure out who to vote for, flood nursing homes to "help" old demented folks fill out ballots, allow illegals to vote with no ID, enlist the complicit media and social media giants to skew the information. All the tricks. And if this the "New Democracy", then whomever has the most creative cheating techniques will win elections.
It’s pretty clear right now that McCauliffe is toast. This should be a harbinger of the mid-terms. The New Jersey race is within the margin of error if it continues as is. I’m waiting on them to “find” some uncounted ballots, 93% of which will be for Murphy.
Per Yahoo, McCauliffe has lost, but there is still time for the Dems to pull it out. The pipes have burst is out, but there are other excuses to cover for the ballots being drug out of the trunk.
BIDEN/HARRIS AGENDA SOUNDLY REJECTED. HOUSE DEMS RETHINKING THEIR VOTE ON TRILLION DOLLAR SPENDING BILLS. VIRGINIA GOV RACE IS A BELLWETHER FOR THE MIDTERMS!
Each party has pushed the limits to win. Democrats have been better at it since the Obama election.
They missed judged how many votes Trump would get and didn’t “submit” enough extra unverified ballots for Hillary. Even though they told her she had won. Just as Biden knew he didn’t even have to campaign.
Mark zuckerbergs 450 million to pay for people to go into homes and “help” fill out the millions of extra absentee ballots. Mailed to people that never requested them.
Then harvest them and drop them off. That is where the extra ballots came from. Which unbelievably is legal.
All of these corrupt cities and districts have banned voter ID and or signature verification of any kind.
So it can’t be proved those ballots are not legit.
So people that won’t except that corruption exists in these areas. Fall back On the “Wide spread Fraud” defense.
So Republicans have tightened up laws in states they control. And apparently are now playing the ballot harvesting game too.
I'm reading that Zuckerbergs money was dispersed to whichever voting jurisdictions applied and qualified for it. In total, more than 2500 jurisdictions received money, with over half of those historically voting republican. Where are you guys getting this information about door-to-door vote harvesting?
I'm also reading that Arnold Schwarzenegger donated an undisclosed amount of money to 33 counties to fund the 2020 election. So, yeah, I guess both sides are playing the same game.
Exit polls showed an even split of 46-46 Biden vs. Trump voters in this election even though Biden won VA by 10 points. Perhaps a few thousand dead democrats didn't vote this time?
So, was this a fair and non-fraudulent election because it had our preferred outcome this time? Or, did the red team steal a page from the blue team's playbook?
Blows my mind how anyone who “likes” hunting or owns any guns could vote Democrat. You are voting for something that is against you. You realize that right?
If you look at anything anti gun or anti hunting in history it is all pushed by democrats
Socialism got pounded yesterday as voters have started to come to the realization as to what the left is trying to push. God bless our Republic and the Founding Fathers.
Well I have to disagree with some of ya'lls views about considering myself an independent.... If your content with jumping on the red bus no matter where it may go or do so be it & the same for the blue bus. Myself personally like to evaluate things then make decisions based on information.... I'm most certain almost almost every aspect of your life is based on decisions after evaluating info & not just choosing to go red or blue. Kinda like saying I'm a Ford or chevy guy without even considering any other options. I live about as conservative as anyone I know. No vehicle debt no credit card debt & owe less than 30k on my home. Put 20% in retirement But hey you do you & I'll do me. Just because I don't ride the bus to the game doesn't mean I'm not rooting for the team. ...and I damn sure have no interest in participating in the hell raising in the parking lot with the radicals that rode the bus with the rest of yall......
The problem with not being registered with one of the two major parties is you forfeit your rights in the primaries, making you settle for other people's choices. Some people still vote straight party regardless, while many do as you do and evaluate all that is offered.
This comes with, however, the need to not necessarily make a decision based on who aligns best with all your ideals (morals and beliefs) on governance and personality, but who will do best for the nation as a whole. It is even more absurd to make decisions based on the actions of a few you don't agree with, such as the "vindication" based on the actions a very small group of people on Jan 6. Whatever helps someone sleep at night, but the next morning the sewer is still backed up and you're standing in 2 feet of crap water.
One or two elections do not make the changes America needs to get back on the best track for America to recover from decades of socialist aggression.
Term limits for not just elected officials, but all Federal employees responsible for signing off on policy Americans have to live under. Bureaucrats may be appointed by the President, but American voters should be able to determine their term in that office, and be rejected by vote of the public. Having to answer on regulations they approve before the American public ought to help them understand who's in charge of their future employment.
Germany, Sweden and Switzerland all have recent public supported fiscal restraints written into their legislation. It is time for a Constitional Amendment to limit the Federal government to sound fiscal policy curtailing the enormous debt.
Overreach of Federal powers has been a work of collusion between the three branches of our government. It all began in 1803 with Chief Justice John Marshall declaring that Congress could not tell the Supreme Court what it could adjudicate and that it would be the final word on what the Constitition says. President Jefferson fought that power grab for the remainder of his life and Congress ignored the rebuff with consequences we suffer to this day. "In a 5-4 vote the Court found that the Guns Free School Zone Act was unconstitutional, and upheld the Court of Appeals decision consequently overturned Lopez’s conviction. The Court rejected the Federal Government’s claim that crime in schools substantially affected interstate commerce, holding that carrying handguns or crime in schools were not economic enterprise." The "commerce clause" has been thus so distorted since they found a wheat farmer in violation of their regulations, for growing wheat for his personal use and that never left the farm.
Your liberties won long ago, eaten away at and vanishing, are at stake
The Convention of States project is working to pass state resolutions that will implement the provision in Article V of the constitution for the people to put the Federal government back in the box intended for it by the Constitution. Read all about it and sign the petition at https://conventionofstates.com/ “These are the times that try men’s souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of his country; but he that stands by it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman.” - Thomas Paine, writer and supporter of the American revolution
"Right after January 6th I posted on a political thread that I felt my vote for Biden was vindicated based on Trump, his family, his entourage, and some of his supporters actions and words at the capital and eventual coup attempt. I still feel that was enough vindication for my vote."
If you're so inclined, Tucker Carlson has a special on this week called "Patriot Purge". I realize you've probably been told by CNN that it's all "misinformation", but it might give you a different prospective,...that is, if you have the guts to watch it.
"Dang Keith! Just cause we didn't vote for Trump first time around doesn't mean you have to insult our intelligence by asking if we voted for Hillary :)"
No way was I trying to insult you; just trying to figure out who we are talking with. Hillary was just one of the many options.
Ks, I’m a little confused. Above you say you voted against Trump the first time and for Trump 2020. Then you say the Jan 6th protest vindicated your vote for Biden. So it sounds like you voted Hilary then Joe.
The trouble with timex’s evaluation theory is that since I’ve been following politics there has been nothing to evaluate. The choices we’ve had in major elections have mostly been poor and poorer, but you can tell poorer at a glance, no need to spend time “evaluating”. Independent just means you’re easily swayed.
“It is even more absurd to make decisions based on the actions of a few you don't agree with, such as the "vindication" based on the actions a very small group of people on Jan 6.“
HDE- as you can see in the quote from 70lbs above, my vindication was not a few. It was based Trump, his team, and some idiots. I thought that was clearly stated. Trump emboldened them to try to stop (with force and violence) a legal constitutional process. I here chants and threats from some right wing nuts calling civil war on here and other places. Trump could do the same on a larger scale and I believe he would if he gets the chance. It’s not just based on “a few” but based mainly on the words and actions of a then president and now ex-president. That’s my vindication.
70lbs- I will watch the special from Tucker Carlson. However, I seen what went on live that day. I have seen several “documentaries” about January 6th but I pay attention mostly to the videos it’s self and not the commentating so much. I am willing to look at all sources when deciding how I feel about events and action. But I’m leery of adopting anyone else’s view of what happened. I can watch what the footage from various sources and decide myself how I feel about it. I seen an insurrection. A violent action to overthrow a government but stopping a constitutional process to install a new president. An attempt to stop a peaceful transition of power. And 95% of the blame is on Trump and his inner circle of loonies.
Are you willing to watch the New York Times documentary about January 6th? Linked above.
Ambush- I voted for Hillary and Joe…against Trump. However, after he was legitimately elected in 2016, Trump was my president. I didn’t like it but he was just that. I stated that on the old CF after he was elected.
No one person matters more than our constitution. It was designed specifically to matter more. And I’m sticking with it as the solution to our problems. I believe Trump thinks he matters more for the simple sake of vanity.
I hope they dont make Va like California...the leftist dont have a very good tract record when they in control...but I guess there are those that will find excuses why leftist destroy everything they touch
Grey ghost the ballot harvesting info is pretty much everywhere. Just not in the news papers or CNN. It’s only found at news organizations.
What bothers me about the post election protest in the first month of this year is. The Media and Elites, thought it was perfectly fine to protest all over the country trying to burn a federal courthouse in Oregon, killing a Retired police chief And other police officers and citizens. Burning small businesses. And the continued looting.
But the people that work for us are somehow off limits and their greasy politician lives are more valuable than a mere commoner.
So you peasants revolt and burn your towns down and threaten citizens lives.
But how dare you come to Washington to revolt and scare the elites.
That is exactly where it should be done. Not some innocent minority business owner
Somehow the sleazy people in DC fly all around the world on jets we pay for. Then scold us for driving a pickup truck.
They are exempted from mask mandates. But want people fired for doing the same.
They sic the FBI or IRS on citizens that dare question Marxism.
Drycreek Here are a few that come to my mind without much thought. The red = my body my choice when it comes to the vaccine. Or a stupid mask... But God forbid if a woman has a choice about her body & abortion .... Trickle down economics is in my opinion a f***ing joke....with the middle class bearing the tax load to support the country. Deregulation. During the Bush era Deregulations my medical insurance trippled & basic utilities increased by a 1/3d...... The housing inflation bubble bust what a joke. Another Bush era classic. Let's all invest in property & push the inflation rate through the roof & we'll all get rich. Yea ok now the median single family homes around major city's is well over 300k. Iraq . great idea let's kill Sadam Husayn so all the radical groups he kept under control with his ruthlessness will be free to do as they choose. Alkieda comes to mind.... These are a few. Team red is absolutely not perfect my friend yes I agree in recent years its been the only choice. But perfect & without fault. Hell no.........
KSflat, you are cherry-picking what is actually a very, very limited and isolated event to make yourself feel better about a bad choice. How many left wing nut-jobs that are all for "team biden" have said very similar things on public TV? To the effect of harassing conservatives, killing, maiming, etc? "I have thought a lot about blowing up the White House" while Trump occupied the Oval Office? Which idiot liberal celebrity showed a pic of herself holding a severed head of Trump as POTUS?
Geez dude, you just don't get it. You made a bad choice, now the rest of us have to live with it...
It should be clear to folks that if they thought the current administration was a more moral or principled choice...it wasn't.
Trump is a narcissistic blowhard but simply far better for the country than what we got. There wasn't an option to vote for someone of high character who is polite and "presidential" with a chance of winning.
If you have two dogs that bark too much but one actually guards the livestock while the other one ignores the wolves and eats a chicken himself occasionally, the choice of which one to keep is obvious.
I have a question about the protest turned riot at the Capital.
Yours' and my own state run media immediately labeled it an "insurrection that shook the very foundations of US democracy". But nobody has said how this would have been accomplished. Would it have gone something like:
Biden: "General, the Whitehouse is full of a disjointed band of misfits, now get them out."
General: "But Mr. Prez, they are in there so they get to say what goes now."
Biden: " So, they're the boss of it now and we have to do what they say?"
General" "Yes, that's the rules."
Biden: "Shoot, I just had the drawers filled with jelly beans too. Oh well I guess my presidency is done then"
Does anybody actually believe this event was a serious threat to the US as a country?!? Because if that's all it takes, you sure better get ready for when a couple hundred guys from a Mexican drug cartel find this out!
One thing is for sure...redistribution of wealth sure as hell dont work. Truth is, rich people create jobs. The leftist claim to be for the "workin class" but yet they are the ones that are always taking more of my money in taxes
Timex, None of your examples hold up. Adults and masks or vaccines Unborn with zero choice
The housing bubble was created by Barney Frank & Clinton saying and thinking that every American should own a home even if they can’t afford one. So lending institutions were forced to loan to people they knew could never pay it back. The banks were left with bundling them and selling them off as Penney stocks.
Just like the government getting everyone hooked on student debt. Allowing colleges to increase tuition every year. Why not Uncle Sam will loan the money.
That housing bust was govt employees sticking their nose into industries they know little about.
The accurate portion is Bush was President when the Ponzi scheme collapsed
HDE- why is it one or the other? Why can’t both actions be wrong? Why is one an excuse for the other? There is absolutely no justification for either. Personally, everyone involved in Oregon riots and January 6th insurrection should be sentenced to exile.
You just don’t get it. Trump brought us to the brink and some of his supporters WANT a civil war. Our country is definitely not better off after 4 years of Trump IMO. We are more divided than ever. Trump exasperated the divide 100 fold. And he absolutely accepts no blame has has no remorse. He is an habitual liar, populist, and authoritarian.
You made a bad choice of person and party over country. With relief, we don’t have to live with it for next 4 years. And hopefully forever.
Trump was the first person to fight back=Trump exasperated the divide.
The media and the left treated GW Bush as bad only he never once responded. He allowed them to say and do whatever they like. When Trump fought them tooth and nail the country became "divided." The truth is the divide has always been there but nobody cares until you not only disagree with Democrats, you attack them back.
KS, are you pleased with Biden, or just happy that he isn't Trump? On one hand you sound like a mega lefty, but on the other hand, you don’t seem to have much good to say about him and his admin.
Intelligent people vote on issues, not personality. Much of America is too dumb to understand that. Look at the voter( especially women) lovefest with Obama, who had zero leadership experience. And to think now we have hunters voting alongside PETA, HSUS, ASPCA and Friends of Animals in support of Biden, some hunters must be especially ignorant.
Jimmy, unfortunately you are correct. This thread is evidence that some people dont have a clue that they are supporring their b own destruction. If anybody has divided this nation it has been the leftist and their buddies in the media. If somebody doesnt see that they are just plain ignorant
Without a doubt the Dems and their supporters are the the biggest division makers. Just watch the news when it come to an election. It's not R and D voters. It's black, Hispanic, white females, UNEDUCATED white males. And so on!
The MSM and the far left are saying this is white people voting and being racist. Explain how the new Lt Governor was elected then. I hope the Dems keep thinking this way since 2022 will be a blow out. On Long Island all the Democrats running lost and a couple of the Democrats were moderate but their party killed their chances.
The same people that say we all should be equal sure break us down by race, gender, and whether we are "educated" or not. But by god, when it comes to a job and we should all be equal. Of course, unless your in the NBA or NFL then "no, not so much"
I honestly can't believe that any "sportsman" would vote for Hillary and Joe and publicly announce it. That's almost as delusional as claiming your vote for Biden was to save the country
A lot of educated white males too, especially teachers and professors at universities are clueless on political issues. They are more concerned with wokeness, " gender whatever ", same sex bathrooms, and other worthless issues. Who are the hunters who vote for such issues, are you on here?
timex, I believe you read my post saying poor and poorer. It’s self explanatory. Both Bushes were jokes in my opinion. But better than any democrat. I think Clinton was actually a better president than George W. Bush in retrospect. Obama was the biggest racist politics has ever known and Biden is a damned incompetent fool. Trump is/was a loudmouth conceited turd IMO but HIS POLICIES were good for this country. Nobody can argue against that without lying.
As for my body my choice, I believe the dems are the ones mandating masks and vaxes. And I have never and will never vote for anyone who believes abortion is OK.
Congratulations to Youngkin for a great race. At Least McAuliffe congratulated Youngkin in a statement Wednesday morning conceding defeat where Trump never did.
Confirmation bias…the oozing irony just broke my phone. Unbelievable and hilarious and sad all at once.
QAnon, stop the steal, cyber ninjas, MSNBC, Tucker Carlson, Rachel Maddow, Don Lemon, OANN, Fox News, Gateway Pundit, Proud Boys, Antifa, FACEBOOK and TWITTER and on and on. These are all great sources for confirmation bias. If you rely on any of them for information then you are deep in it.
Rocky (and others)- the sheer fact you can’t believe a hunter would vote against Trump is the epitome of self inflicted confirmation bias.
You would have a point if Trump wasn’t the sole issue in the Republican platform. They are all so scared of his negative focus that they consume their morals and values with every swallow. Trump is the platform and it’s people like you that allow it. Again, our constitution is our foundation and candidates are temporary vessels.
Timex said: "....with the middle class bearing the tax load to support the country."
If this is an example of how you make decisions about issues, please don't vote.
The top 10% make 40% of the income but pay 71% of all federal income tax. The bottom 50% pay 10% of the total. For the math-challenged, that means upper middle class families comprise 40% of taxpayers but pay only 19% of the total tax revenue.
"Confirmation bias, also known as myside bias, is the tendency to search for, interpret, favor, and recall information in a way that confirms or supports one's prior beliefs or values.[1] People display this bias when they select information that supports their views, ignoring contrary information, or when they interpret ambiguous evidence as supporting their existing attitudes. The effect is strongest for desired outcomes, for emotionally charged issues, and for deeply entrenched beliefs. Confirmation bias cannot be eliminated entirely, but it can be managed, for example, by education and training in critical thinking skills".
Plagiarizing from Wikipedia? Seriously? C'mon, man...
Well, I knew those words didn't come from RockyD's own thoughts. And it took about 5 seconds to search for where they did come from. So, if that's having too much time to kill, so be it. I don't like frauds.
KSFlat - again, you're right. It's my fault a few nut jobs stormed the Capitol building, whoever they really were. It's my fault that gasoline prices are high, Afg fell, people are losing jobs because their individual right to choose has been taken away, increases in suicide (for whatever reason) is a real threat now, parents are PISSED that a fake racial dividing curriculum is being taught, tens of thousands of illegals bringing who knows what in to our nation from an unsecure border, and, and, and...
Name one positive accomplishment biden has done while in office to help "vindicate" your choice.
I can explain it to you, I cannot understand it for you. That's your job.
Why do you guys get on here and argue with ksflatbrimmer? If you all have not figured it out by now he is bowsites biggest idiot. Your going to get the same stupid talking points from him over and over.
I'm not following your comment, or the link you provided, 2WildBill. Care to explain?
Look, if you're too lazy to express your own thoughts, and you copy and paste someone's else's, it's customary to cite the source, or at least put quotes around the copied material. RockyD did neither. Try that on an essay exam in school, and see what grade it earns you.
I just found it ironic that RockyD would plagiarize from Wikipedia, which has long been considered an unreliable source for information.
I never call anyone out personally, but the losers who join in with PETA and HSUS to support Biden know who they are. A real disgrace to the hunting community. Throw them out of your hunting circle, do it now.
Do some of yall even have a life ...gees. since my last post I checked out my truck for a trip tomorrow. Picked some veggies from the garden. Went hunting till dark. cooked dinner. Ate dinner & picked up my phone & yall still at it. Do you even have a life other than this forum. DAMN & yall want to criticize me for being an independent.
"Personally, the reversal of Trumps executive order on the WOTUS definition was a “good” move if you truly want the CWA to protect our nation’s waters."
Timex...yawn...I hiked 5.5 miles in the mountains helping my wife hunt elk. Came home, climbed the hill with the dog, shot my bow, made a big batch of antelope chili in the crockpot, took a nap, worked on the patio slider (sticking), made a Scotch on the rocks and ate aforementioned chili, and still had time to refute your statement that the tax burden in this country rests on the middle class. Wasn't that time-consuming. Quick Google search for facts.
Life is rough, but some of us just gut it out... :-)
Missouribreaks I'd suggest you go back & read my original post before running your big mouth. I live in va & voted republican across the board. I also said I consider myself an independent. Which some have an issue with some how some way. To which I replied if ya want to lump yourselves into the same box as the radical right than go for it but it's not for me. Based on your last post your probably comfortable with the radical crowd. Have a good evening sir.....
Politics is more a referendum on exaggerated degrees of estrangement than "representation." The Dems, as currently iterated, are so far out of touch with the average citizen that a GOP candidate won an intractably blue state-wide race for the first time in 12 years.
BTW, in an embarrassing gaff of our obviously racist bias, Virginia conservatives unintentionally voted Winsome Sears, a black woman, to the office of Lt. Governor. We only saw her onscreen for 6 months posing with an "assault rifle" so the oversight is understandable. I can only guess that a lot of toothless rednecks in 3/4 of the VA counties that lean Red thought they were ordering a mail order squirrel rifle in a fit of 1950s nostalgia. (For youngsters, Sears catalog used to sell rifles and shotguns by mail - no Fed forms required. And, miraculously, no kids were being shot in school or on the streets.)
And, as if that was not enough, the ignorant same insular boobs voted a Cuban-American as AG. White racists run amuck.
Jaquumo you did all that from 330 pm till 930 pm that's impressive. You have yourself a good evening as well sir.
And just FYI. As an uneducated tradesmen subcontractor for over 25 years I never once worked for a company that I didn't have to fight & scratch to get a fare wage from. Every single one of them had their own personal self gain as a priority over the contractors that did their work. Trickle down economics at it finest !!! If the corporations & large companies are getting tax breaks or exemptions to (supposedly) create more businesses & jobs than whome do you think are paying the majority of the taxes.
Timex, the beautiful thing about this country is that we (still) have the ability to choose our own career paths. You chose yours.
I grew up poor and had a job since age 10. I don't remember ever being in a position where I couldn't ask for more wage or salary because I performed. I worked my way through college and built a career, then started over with another one. Retired early and living the dream.
Trickle-down economics gave me those opportunities. I hired contractors and paid them the going rate. You chose your path.
The majority of taxes are paid by the business owners for whom you worked. That's fact, not "whome do you think".
Why would anyone who votes with PETA and HSUS in support of Biden be on a pro hunting site? Must be some real confused individuals, like most of the left I guess.
Your 'logic' amounts to "If you didn't support Trump you supported Biden, and since PETA supported Biden, you therefor support PETA."
Horse manure. If that's your line of reasoning, go home and kill all your school teachers, because they failed you. You're the poster child for the dumbing down of America.
I think when hunters have the same political values as PETA, ASPCA, Friends of Animals and HSUS, there is a serious concern for the future of hunting, that is all. Not sure why that is unreasonable.
School teachers, as a group, have failed society. Their union has erased much of their individual teaching spirit. Not all teachers, just the vast majority.
There is exactly ONE member here who admits to voting for Biden, and I'm guessing it was more of a vote against Trump. So, who are all these phantom "bowlibs" you guys keep talking about?
Mizzou, the ONLY value that you KNOW I have is my contempt for Trump. NONE of the conclusions you draw from that ("have the same political values as PETA...") follows from that ONE value.
I know nothing about you as an individual, nor do I care. I do not like Trump as a person, but his political values are spot on with me. I would never compromise my values just because I did not like someone's personality, that is grade school stuff. I am far too genuine in my American values to do that.
I know some copped out because of Trumps personality and did not vote, or voted for an independent. To me, that is simply a waste of an opportunity and a do nothing gesture.
One or two elections do not make the changes America needs to get back on the best track for America to recover from decades of socialist aggression. Term limits for not just elected officials, but all Federal employees responsible for signing off on policy Americans have to live under. Bureaucrats may be appointed by the President, but American voters should be able to determine their term in that office, and be rejected by vote of the public. Having to answer on regulations they approve before the American public ought to help them understand who's in charge of their future employment.
Germany, Sweden and Switzerland all have recent public supported fiscal restraints written into their legislation. It is time for a Constitional Amendment to limit the Federal government to sound fiscal policy curtailing the enormous debt.
Overreach of Federal powers has been a work of collusion between the three branches of our government. It all began in 1803 with Chief Justice John Marshall declaring that Congress could not tell the Supreme Court what it could adjudicate and that it would be the final word on what the Constitition says. President Jefferson fought that power grab for the remainder of his life and Congress ignored the rebuff with consequences we suffer to this day. "In a 5-4 vote the Court found that the Guns Free School Zone Act was unconstitutional, and upheld the Court of Appeals decision consequently overturned Lopez’s conviction. The Court rejected the Federal Government’s claim that crime in schools substantially affected interstate commerce, holding that carrying handguns or crime in schools were not economic enterprise." The "commerce clause" has been thus so distorted since they found a wheat farmer in violation of their regulations, for growing wheat for his personal use and that never left the farm.
Your liberties won long ago, eaten away at and vanishing, are at stake
The Convention of States project is working to pass state resolutions that will implement the provision in Article V of the constitution for the people to put the Federal government back in the box intended for it by the Constitution. Read all about it and sign the petition at https://conventionofstates.com/ “These are the times that try men’s souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of his country; but he that stands by it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman.” - Thomas Paine, writer and supporter of the American revolution
Rocky- are you dense? It’s not my logic and I don’t believe in that kind of logic. It was Wild Bills idiot logic. I just reversed it so he and Missouribreaks can see how stupid they sound.
Just in case the "voter fraud skeptics" were wondering exactly how extra ballots way beyond the number of registered voters, keep getting included in our Elections:
In this instance, I do not mind being called stupid. I will stand with my American and pro hunting values. I would expect no other comment from the liberal/socialist crowd, very typical.
KSFLat - again, you're right and I'm wrong. Now, if you'll excuse me, I have a fence post to go have a discussion with and will likely make more progress because it will either "dumb-splain" it better to me, or, it will comprehend what is being said.
So if ya imagine a pyramid with 10 blocks across the bottom. Then 9 then 8 etc to the 1 at the top. Now let's say that the bottom 10 are the minimum wage floor sweepers that don't make enough to pay taxes. But the next 5 rows up are the middle class workers paying roughly 25% incom tax then the next 3 rows up are the upper class workers paying 35% income tax then ya have the 1 block on top getting government tax breaks & that block pays perhaps 10% So that's 44 blocks paying 25% to 35% income tax compared to the one block paying 10% but somehow the top block is paying the majority of the country's taxes. Perhaps my math is not exact. But I still believe the middle class supports this country
Just in case the "voter fraud skeptics" were wondering exactly how extra ballots way beyond the number of registered voters, keep getting included in our Elections:
This just proves that there are dumb pollworkers out there - there are additional checks and balances to ensure these types of votes aren't counted. And nowhere have I seen any data that shows extra ballots "way beyond" the number of registered voters.
It is well documented as to which economic strata pays what % of federal income taxes. In 2018, the top 5% of earners (AGI) paid over 60% of federal income taxes. Theorize if you want or believe what you will, but you are wrong in believing the middle class supports this country in terms of paying the majority of income taxes.
“KSflat, Oh the arrogance abounds. Vote and support college campuses where there is little to intellectual cross talk.”
Huh? What’s this straw man about? Did you go to college? Have you attended a college class lately? I have. There is plenty of debate and dissenting opinions. Both left and right. Not sure where you are going with this?
“Just admit that Brandon is doing a great job and you fully support the ignorance.”
I have been critical of Biden on here several times. I think his current low approval rating is appropriate (still above Trumps lol). But thank goodness he’s not attacking the foundation of our Democracy on a daily basis with a completely false Big Lie. I’ll take it.
The discussion of taxes gets a little more complicated when you factor in all taxes, not just federal income tax. But the fact remains that the upper 20% of wage earners earn roughy 70% of all income and are paying roughly 70% of all taxes. Seems pretty fair to me.
"But thank goodness he’s not attacking the foundation of our Democracy on a daily basis with a completely false Big Lie. I’ll take it."
Check the news bubba. Your hero just rolled out is unemployment plan nationally. If that's not an attack on the foundations of democracy and our Republic...
You do know we are a Republic and not a Democracy, right?
“You do know we are a Republic and not a Democracy, right?”
Spare me the Democratic Republic vs Democracy gotcha thing. About once a month somebody tries this. As if we all don’t all talk in general terms about our “democracy” 99% of the time in general conversation.
KSFLat - either be accurate or sit down and be silent. Democracy is a process, Republic is a thing. One is an action, the other isn't. Don't be THAT guy that doesn't know the difference.
No wonder you're confused on important issues in our day...
Timex, your tax theory has no basis in fact. But as I said before, life is about choices. Why didn't you structure your life to take advantage of those same tax breaks you complain about?
Why do you lie? I never said Ford stock was worthless. I own some myself, and have done nicely on it. What I did say was there were better investment opportunities at the time we had that discussion, and that was true. For example, while Ford stock has quadrupled since its 2020 lows, Tesla's stock is 16 times higher. If you struggle with math, that's 400% gains for Ford stock versus 1600% gains for Tesla. There are literally hundreds of stocks that have outperformed Ford since the Covid crash.
I'm still not a believer in crypto. I do think there is value in the blockchain technology, however. I have a bet with another member here who thinks Bit Coin will be $100-125K by the end of the year. It's had nice run recently, but it has a ways to go to reach his lofty prediction. I think I'm in pretty good shape on that bet.
Congrats!! I didn't have your foresight on Bit Coin.
My prediction is all crypto currencies will be regulated like fiat currencies, and that will reduce their value. I think all central governments will eventually adopt a blockchain type currency. We are mostly there, anyway. Nobody uses printed cash anymore, it's all digital transactions. So, blockchain currency is the next logical step.
Jaquomo. Me & you seam to have gotten off on the wrong foot. First off I'm not complaining. It all started when I said I considered myself an independent with conservative values. & some on here had a negative response to my views on politics. Then I gave a few reasons why myself personally didn't want to be put in the same box as the radical right. As far as my life no I'm not a millionaire but iv had a million dollars worth of fun in My life. I can guarantee ya that. Yes I still have to work but I'm on the coast of VA have a nice offshore fishing boat tuna fish all summer & deer & waterfowl hunt all winter.Life is good my friend. I may not have your wealth. But for a 9th grade dropout dope smoking hippy I've done ok for myself.
Have another one on me, Shawn. Your only claim to fame is being booted from a bowhuntng website dozens of times, only to return under another false registration.
Just curious is Dannyboy the Shawn & Scooby-Doo that used to be on the leather wall. If so I bought a timberhawk strike xt from you several years ago still have it. Great bow. I thought you were a retired NY city worker & not a mercenary.
Timex, you are living your dream and I've seen your big fish success. Enviable, considering the fish where I live are measured in inches.
Money isn't everything and I'm not wealthy either. I live frugally and have enough to do what I want to do and live my dreams. But I also don't fault those who have been very successful, who pay the majority of the taxes in this country so the rest of us can have a low tax rate compared to much of the (socialist) developed world. We should all be thankful to them for that!
Have a great fall and keep posting those big fish pics!
"It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled." . . Mark Twain Quote came to mind reading thread while waiting mask-free to get my Covid booster preventatives; bleach injection, hydroxychloraphine pills and ultraviolet treatment.
Youngkins son didn't vote, just asked if he could. Makes sense since so many Democrats favor lowering the voting age. It was probably worth heading down and asking.
I guess he now qualifies for a position on some Ukranian corporation and can associate with hookers and the dope cartels, like the son of your choice for POTUS.
dana, just read that the the boy plans to produce and sell finger paintings and donate the proceeds to the naacp as reparations for his racist father and the racists that voted for him
