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Of the 50% with symptoms, about 15% were serious.

Of the serious cases, about 1 in 1,000 actually died.

So why the hysteria in the first place???

Why the lockdowns, mask bullshit, or “vaccine” mandates?

Interestingly if you look at this on a global level, in every country that has pushed the “vaccine”, they have experienced a higher peak in cases approximately 3 months after the shots.

Even more interesting is that in Africa with less than 6% of the population injected, the cases per capita are far lower than in highly vaxed countries…

No one can say with any certainty that a particular individual's case of COVID would have been better or worse with the vaccine, but there is ample data indicating that on average the vaccinated fare much better than the unvaccinated. Michigan is having a tough go with COVID currently. The unvaccinated comprise 38.6% of the state's population but 76% of cases, 87% of hospitalizations, and 88% of patients on vents. That is in line with what has been observed in other states.

On the Africa comparison, that one is easy to understand. COVID deaths correlate pretty highly with age. Almost 75% of US COVID deaths were in those 65 or older. On the flip side, only 3% of Africa's population is 65 or older. Pretty simple.

https://www.news-medical.net/news/20210818/Why-have-COVID-19-caseloads-been-comparatively-low-in-Africa.aspx

Sounds to me it's working as facts say it will. They also are open that nothing works for everyone.

Hopefully it passes fast

It's really hard to say if my wife and I would have been even sicker or possibly died if non-vaxed? I really think the vax plus booster is like an insurance policy and good to have just in case. If you are older or in poor physical shape I would definitely consider keeping up on vax shots! Speaking from someone that had it, Covid isn't fun and isn't something to mess around with! Stay smart and safe!

" I should be IMMUNE for sure after this, right. "

It is my understanding that the vax destroys any natural immunity you might have gotten if you were not vaxed.

99.8% of people with covid survive and have natural immunity. My 90yr old aunt in a nursing home had covid and survived, before there was a vax.

You might do some additional research as that is contrary to everything I have read on the topic. There have been many studies conducted on the topic.

"According to new research, people who have had COVID enjoy strong immunity against the coronavirus for at least a year after they were initially infected. In analyzing antibodies present in the blood of COVID patients, Rockefeller scientists were able to track the evolution of these mutable molecules. They found that vaccination boosts the immunity these individuals naturally develop upon infection, so much that they are likely protected even from the emerging variants."

https://www.rockefeller.edu/news/30544-vaccines-after-covid-recovery/

I'm hopeful,

Robb

Not sure what the symptoms would have been without the vax. I'm glad we had it. That said, I don't see myself getting the booster now that I had the real deal.

Ones genetic make up sure can make you die from it. The jab it’s a small part of protection, and if you don’t believe in it, don’t get it, simple.

I just took the booster, for many reasons, but mostly I’d like to lower my odds of dying and the jab certainly has been proven to do that.

The jab only prevents serious complications, not prevention from getting it.

Back to hunting …. :)

I don’t think the axis broke his antlers. The points are blunt, not broken. The brow tines are both blunt. Have seen several that were damaged like this last Feb during Texas big chill.

Yep, the same people peddling the same misinformation. And I thought the Chinese were particularly creative when the fabricated the existence of a Swiss scientist that was critical of the U.S. for blaming China as the genesis of COVID.

There are probably some guys here who think there must actually be a Swiss scientist named Dr. William Edwards because the news to the contrary was reported on NBC and has to be false.

This. Amazing how quickly it will follow the trend of ALL pandemics in the recorded history of humans if you quit looking for a cold virus. The worst of all we know about is the black death of 1348. Estimated 200 million dead. Pandemic over in 2 years. This one is over as well...

Is this kind of like...hide your eyes and others can't see you...kind of thing?

Unbelievable.

That went right over your head, didn't it...

This is truly the most childlike logic. Astounding...

2019-2020 (pre-pandemic) - 518,000 tests performed in the USA; 80,000 positive cases

2020-2021 (1st year of the pandemic) - 398,000 tests performed; 925 positive cases

This idea that something will go away if you stop testing for it is borderline insanity. Just because you stop looking for something doesn't mean it isn't there.

It will stands, getting vaccinated is your best protection from getting covid. And it greatly reduces your risk of hospitalization and death.

My guess is your best defense against Covid is to get Covid. Stats say it’s better at further infection, against all new strains. And, by and large most survive with mild symptoms. By a long shot. With or without the vaccine.

As far as the humanity card being played, the same idiots suggesting vax mandates are quick to shame anyone who isn’t standing inline to get the shot. While defending it as a call for humanity. Irony. It’s a tough one sometimes. How many of you have donated to a veterans organization lately? Cooked a meal for a homeless person? Helped your neighbor? An older person at the grocery store? Anybody really. How many?

Yet you hear about doing this for your neighbor. I’m betting there’s been few dollars spent by anyone demanding the vax mandate, on humanity in other forms. You know, helping your neighbor kinda thing. Or heavens forbid, fight for the life of an unborn child. Oh the humanity. Irony so thick you could cut it with a knife.

To touch on the nutsacks point from California and, the BEGmeister from Louisiana, what disease is caused by the common cold? Or, the flu? See, you can’t pick and choose biased stuff as your ammo. Because everyone makes duds from time to time?

Biased stuff? LOL this is basic science.

The cold and the flu are both respiratory DISEASES, like COVID. They are caused by different VIRUSES (coronaviruses, rhinoviruses, influenza viruses, etc).

Lmao!!! This!!!

I get that bad news sells but so far it's thankfully relatively mild.

Early indications are that Omicron has a much higher rate of re-infection than prior variants, so that may no longer be true.

"One sentence summary: Analysis of routine surveillance data from South Africa suggests that, in contrast to the Beta and Delta, the Omicron variant of SARS-CoV-2 demonstrates substantial population-level evidence for evasion of immunity from prior infection."

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.11.11.21266068v2

"To touch on the nutsacks point from California and, the BEGmeister from Louisiana, what disease is caused by the common cold? Or, the flu? See, you can’t pick and choose biased stuff as your ammo. Because everyone makes duds from time to time?"

Interesting to learn you want to touch a nutsack....

In terms of you doubling down on your ignorance, the common cold and the flu are diseases. These diseases are caused by a variety of viruses - primarily rhinoviruses and coronaviruses for colds and influenza A and B viruses for the flu. This is analogous to the disease COVID-19 being caused by the SARS-CoV-2 virus.

https://www.healthline.com/health/common-cold-causes

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/viruses/types.htm

I bet Covid ain’t nuthin

depends on the study i guess...

"Nov. 1, 2021 -- Unvaccinated people who had a recent infection were five times more likely to be reinfected with the coronavirus compared to those who were fully vaccinated and didn’t have a prior infection, according to a new study published Friday in the CDC’s Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report.

The research team concluded that vaccination can provide a higher, stronger, and more consistent level of immunity against COVID-19 hospitalization than infection alone for at least six months."

CDC's report? HA! That right there tells you all you need to know about the "report"!

Stick with the constitution. It’s the only way.

The only thing that has changed since this all started, is the democrats reaction to it. Otherwise, we haven't done diddly to stop or control it. Yet, folks like KS will continue to parrot the liberal talking points as George Soros commands them.

"This is the #1 attack method for right wing nuts and extremely dangerous."

So you still claim to be the "all knowing" when it comes to misinformation? In other words, you think your opinion is the only one that counts. The BS from the left volleys so much, it's like a tennis match.

Ryan, did you buy a new Toyota Prius yet?

First, you have posted that video a dozen times and many on here discussed this at length. Her choice of words was poor. You know this but continue to push it. The Covid deaths are scrutinized to determine if Covid was the primary cause. She has publicly clarified her statement. Second, she doesn’t work for the CDC. Third, even if she did and was wrong that does not mean the whole agency is wrong all the time with some sinister motive.

You know all of this but YOU just keep pushing lies. Freaking Trump sheep.

If other CDC reporting is to be believed and only 4% of the reported deaths for Covid were from Covid alone, the injections appear to be killing more than the virus….

And we still have no idea what that crap will do to people in the long term!!!!

Matt

I don’t like Trump but there are things he did that I agree with. We are much better off as a society with the work public health agencies do for us.

What you are doing is anti-patriotism.

Both accomplish the same end result (antibody production), but there is plenty of evidence to show, that these current vaccines only give narrow spectrum protection (so...booster after booster needed), and limit your ability to handle some of the variants (due to the "incomplete information" provided to your body, so it can form antibodies).

Being "Pro Natural Immunity" does not make one an "anti-vaxxer". When the CDC has to change the definition of "vaccine" to accommodate this particular mRNA solution, that was rushed out in record time (without long-term trials), something is definitely off.

I'm curious, Tavis. Do you just not read the responses debunking these statements or do you just not care? Because you keep repeating things that are (1) blatantly wrong or (2) gross misrepresentations of the truth.

There is no CDC data showing vaccines killed 20,000 people a year. There is a Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System that is co-managed by the CDC and the FDA. The VAERS is not used to track deaths caused by the vaccine. It is used to look for anomalies that could be related to vaccination, but makes no determination as to whether individual deaths were related to vaccination or not. A multitude of individuals can enter data into VAERS and there is essentially no review or quality check on the data that goes in there. Furthermore, healthcare providers are asked to report any adverse event to VAERS following vaccination, even if they know it is no way related to the vaccines. As the VAERS website says:

VAERS accepts reports of adverse events and reactions that occur following vaccination. Healthcare providers, vaccine manufacturers, and the public can submit reports to the system. While very important in monitoring vaccine safety, VAERS reports alone cannot be used to determine if a vaccine caused or contributed to an adverse event or illness. The reports may contain information that is incomplete, inaccurate, coincidental, or unverifiable. In large part, reports to VAERS are voluntary, which means they are subject to biases. This creates specific limitations on how the data can be used scientifically. Data from VAERS reports should always be interpreted with these limitations in mind.

The strengths of VAERS are that it is national in scope and can quickly provide an early warning of a safety problem with a vaccine. As part of CDC and FDA’s multi-system approach to post-licensure vaccine safety monitoring, VAERS is designed to rapidly detect unusual or unexpected patterns of adverse events, also known as “safety signals.” If a safety signal is found in VAERS, further studies can be done in safety systems such as the CDC’s Vaccine Safety Datalink (VSD) or the Clinical Immunization Safety Assessment (CISA) project. These systems do not have the same scientific limitations as VAERS, and can better assess health risks and possible connections between adverse events and a vaccine.

Saying the vaccine has killed 20,000 people a year and this is based on CDC data is a gross misrepresentation of the reality. What is more factual is that something like 15,000 people out 200,000,000 that have been vaccinated died some period after taking the vaccine. Given that some population is always going to die over a given time period, this data suggests that there is essentially no risk from the vaccination.

If other CDC reporting is to be believed and only 4% of the reported deaths for Covid were from Covid alone, the injections appear to be killing more than the virus….

Another gross misrepresentation. What they said is that there are comorbidities in 94% of the cases. The main takeaway is that COVID still killed these people. Maybe some didn't have much time anyway with their comorbidities, but the conclusion is that COVID still accelerated what time they had left.

And we still have no idea what that crap will do to people in the long term!!!!

Again, likely nothing. Long term effects come from long-term, consistent usage. You need chemicals to persist in your body, and persist for long periods of time to have long-term effects.

These vaccines are taken and processed completely by the body in a matter of days. What remains are the antibodies that provide protection. There is no residual chemical to cause long term effects. Whatever side effects will occur will occur over the short term because that's when the vaccine is actually in your body.

So again, do you just not read these responses because you've never actually addressed them in any of your responses, or do you read them and continue with the misinformation anyway because it fits your narrative?

Anti-patriotism...Is that another buzz word from your misinformation rule book?

I dont understand why you get so upset about us not capitulating to your puppet masters. They twist things so badly nobody knows who to believe. Therefore, I'll follow my old man's advice. "Look out for #1 and follow your instincts."

Support whoever you like. Keep the difference in opinion and debate/argue it. Just enough with the false and misinformation. It’s dangerous and damaging. Did you see how many QANON idiots who where at the capital on January 6th?

I cant even, with the rest of this thread. Brandolini's law just pounds in my head reading it.

Matt

Maybe he is trying to drum up more business?

Still waiting for that field photo of him in his blaze orange suit with a stickbow-killed elk...

"December 08, 2021 - According to data analytics from a recent study, instances of myocarditis due to the COVID-19 vaccine are usually mild and subside quickly.

Myocarditis has been noted as a rare side effect of the COVID-19 vaccine in adolescent and young adult populations, particularly males.

Study leaders Jane Newburger, MD, MPH, at Boston Children’s Hospital, and first author Dongngan Truong, MD, at the University of Utah and Primary Children’s Hospital (Salt Lake City) found that symptoms of the condition are typically mild with a fast clinical recovery. However, researchers recommend continued monitoring of patients for possible long-term effects.

Dig Deeper Targeting COVID-19 Health Disparities With Data Analytics Data Analysis Helps Create COVID-19 Risk Assessment App How COVID-19 Is Impacting Rural Population Health “We found that teens and young adults who develop myocarditis following COVID-19 vaccination generally have mild symptoms that improve quickly,” Newburger said in a press release.

“This rare complication of vaccination should be balanced against the greater risks of myocarditis, hospitalization, and other complications that occur with COVID-19 infection.”

So, the question is whether the people who get myocarditis and have it resolve quickly still die at an 80% rate over 5 years?

The answer: azelkhntr is not a doctor but is still really impressive as he apparently has data on what occurred in 2031. The only Bowsiter with a time machine apparently...

The fact you don't understand what you don't understand and then TRIPLED down on it...

I believe the colloquialism is "bless your heart".

That sounds better. You are right. I did triple down on dumbass status when I said it like that.

I have lots of unvaxxed friends. None of them have gotten sick, and im happy for them. Dont know how i managed to get it, just glad i didnt give it to my mother.

Moral of the story, i wouldnt wish it on anyone..

Happy holidays. If you still got tags, good luck. Go get em.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/man-arrested-wifes-murder-now-accused-voting-trump/story?id=77692708 (the irony of having voted for a dead person)

https://www.coloradopolitics.com/news/fbi-raids-home-of-mesa-county-clerk-tina-peters-in-election-data-breach-investigation/article_3d5d2c2e-4744-11ec-b535-ff721f3339a5.html

like most things for the right, if it comes from a mouth that isn't a republican you refuse to believe it, regardless of how sound it is.

Yeah...take a look at the approval ratings of CNN and China Joe. That's all anyone needs, to see who the real shysters are! Are you missing the Cuomo Brothers yet?! Lol!

70lb... your rebuttal is on par with hack's, in that it is virtually unrelated to what we were discussing and doesnt back up your previous claims or statements, nor does it discount mine in any form or fashion. How do you feel that the only reputable part of Faux(chris wallace)news just left and joined CNN? I'm gonna guess you hate Wallace and is glad he's gone since he didnt support the rights narrative.

I got a news flash for you fellas. Everyone except the extremist believes we all have a right to choose this supposed vaccine. Get over it. That’s life.

Move on. Live while you’ve got life to live. And, let everyone else do the same. It’ll make Covid scares seem insignificant. Because there is no win in jollying around in other peoples business. That’s my .02 worth.

On another note, it's alarming how many people use memes and random tweets as their main source of information about current events. So many of these convo's have these random graphics that don't have any sources cited or from people with zero qualifications and the person who posts it always seems to think they really have a check mate.

If by extremists you mean the majority of Americans…

You don’t want the vac then don’t get it. But don’t whine about the consequences of your choice whether it’s losing a job or not being able to go on vacation.

1.) “Because even vaxed someone can still get covid,” FACT The vaccine does not prevent Covid, it protects you from the serious effects of the disease and hopefully from dying. 2.) Vaxed can still spread covid, FACT, of course. 3.) “Vaxed can still die from covid.” FACT ( Many people do not create enough or any anti bodies at all, which is required to protect them via the vaccine. Additionally, anyone vaxed who has previously had Covid, may have underlying long lasting effects from the disease, such as blood clots which is a contributing factor to their death while being vaccinated) 4.) “So-called vaccines are not very safe either”. NOT A FACT. (Why on gods earth would it be ok, to inject the worlds population with a death jab. This makes no sense at all. Our kids are getting vaccinated and we certainly do not want them to die. The vaccine was not developed to kill people. I don’t see millions of people dying everyday, anywhere. 5.) Know a few people who had some crazy side effects. FACT, me included. That’s your body going into motion to protect you. 6.) And there has been quite a few deaths Please CLARIFY. From the vaccine? I’d like to read that white paper that the vaccine is causing deaths.

PS: Absolutely worn out from all the misinformation. Getting off Bowsite for awhile. This is getting pretty lame.

Out

Azelkhnter- and what is it you’re doing with most every post. Then you talk about prepping? Who is it pushing fear?

Nemophillist-

“Because even vaxed someone can still get covid”

Yes.

“still spread covid”

Yes but the transmission timeframe is 5-10 time less than unvaccinated. Mike in CT (virologist) has explained this ad nauseam.

“and still die from covid”

Yes, but at a much much lower rate than unvaccinated.

“and the so-called vaccines are not very safe either.”

Wrong. Why…because peer reviewed medical studies prove this.

“I know a few people who had some crazy side effects.”

Yes some have side effects but anecdotal experience is not science. Side effects have been limited and mild based on the data.

“And there has been quite a few deaths but mainstream media does not say anything about that.”

Has the death rate from the vaccine even reached 1% of the 800,000 deaths from Covid? No.

You two are the misinformation twins of Bowsite. It’s a side effect of getting information from social media, alt-right “news,” and memes.

Science…because it’s better than making s#%t up…like azelkhntr and Nenophillist. Maybe you all can start a self help group with Shawn Magyar.

From the Poll: Support for Federal COVID-19 Vaccine Requirements, by Political Party

Democrats 94% Independents 49% Republicans 19%

There you go…problem solved.

Ahunter- great plan. Since you got it figured out, what do you do after your plan is in place and hospitals become overrun? Scheduled surgeries are delayed and people with non-Covid related emergency issues can’t get help. What do you do?

You have to know that your great plan sounds great but it isn’t that simple.

Really? Because the Supreme Court long ago approved the military draft. Which is a heckuva lot more hazardous than a Pfizer jab. (And the Army will vax your a$$ anyway...)

400,000 dead.

Matt

Don’t get your information from memes.

as of may 2021, 100% of all democrats in the house and senate said they were vaccinated. 98% of senate republicans said they were vaccinated and 95 of the 212 republican members of congress said they have been vaccinated. 112 republicans in the house did not respond to the question. all 50 governors said they have been have been vaccinated as well as all 5 living presidents.

source?

But I see on here that Covid is over, is no worse than flu and doesn't exist unless you test for it. That's good news. I'll call the hospitals and let them know they can pull those folks off ventilators and send them home. I'll also call the funeral homes to let them know they shouldn't bury the folks that have been foolishly declared dead.

The claim is false. Biden’s vaccine requirements were issued in the form of an executive order – directives that apply only to the executive branch. Congress is the legislative branch, and thus, is not subject to the order.”

The President does not have the authority to mandate congress do anything.

Nemo- are you really dumb enough to get your information from social media…apparently. The misinformation guru.

Was great feeling freedom again.

Tested for free pre cruise. Got tested at border on way home.... a few of us contracted covid on the cruise. Asymptomatic. We are in quarantine now for 14 days. The freedom was worth it!!!

None of us have symptoms. Took 4 days to get home. Trip home we didn't visit anyone and practiced social distancing and wore masks just in case.

95% of people on cruise was vaccinated and 5% were not. The 5% unvaccinated were tested every 3 days on ship and were required to wear a mask at all times. Also most unvaccinated warned others of their vaccinated status.

Ironic you Dems are still pro choice.

You’re probably right Mike. I have four kids and the only one that ever has trouble with the flu is the oldest. Yep she’s the only one that had a flu shot as a baby or that my wife got the shot with while pregnant. The things first time parents worry about. The others grew up on dirt and don’t have the flu issues she does, lol. The immune system of a healthy person is amazing, especially when you let it do it’s thing.