Should “We” Be Concerned
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Contributors to this thread:
Rocky D 18-Dec-21
Rocky D 18-Dec-21
2Wild Bill 18-Dec-21
Rocky D 18-Dec-21
zeke 18-Dec-21
TGbow 18-Dec-21
Bob H in NH 18-Dec-21
standswittaknife 18-Dec-21
Woods Walker 18-Dec-21
sticksender 18-Dec-21
WV Mountaineer 18-Dec-21
Chaz 18-Dec-21
scentman 18-Dec-21
stealthycat 18-Dec-21
2Wild Bill 18-Dec-21
Tilzbow 18-Dec-21
Rocky D 18-Dec-21
RT 18-Dec-21
Rocky D 18-Dec-21
Rocky D 18-Dec-21
Rocky D 18-Dec-21
drycreek 18-Dec-21
TD 18-Dec-21
Rocky D 18-Dec-21
Matt 18-Dec-21
Rocky D 18-Dec-21
Rocky D 18-Dec-21
Corax_latrans 18-Dec-21
HDE 18-Dec-21
Rocky D 18-Dec-21
itshot 18-Dec-21
Rocky D 18-Dec-21
Rocky D 18-Dec-21
Woods Walker 18-Dec-21
Woods Walker 18-Dec-21
Rocky D 19-Dec-21
KSflatlander 19-Dec-21
2Wild Bill 19-Dec-21
Rocky D 19-Dec-21
standswittaknife 19-Dec-21
Grey Ghost 19-Dec-21
KSflatlander 19-Dec-21
KSflatlander 19-Dec-21
Zim 19-Dec-21
Rocky D 19-Dec-21
itshot 19-Dec-21
drycreek 19-Dec-21
bowbender77 23-Dec-21
From: Rocky D
18-Dec-21
Let me provide a disclaimer for discussions sake. The thread title should say debating.

I was jut wondering if we should be concerned with VP Kamala Harris”s recent comment on Charlamagne Tha God‘s Comedy Central show “Tha God’s Honest Truth” and exactly who are “we”?

Here is her comment:

"Right now we are debating whether democracies actually can survive or is autocracy better - which is basically one person or one group telling everybody what they should do," Harris said of voting rights legislation. "This is what's at stake right now for America. And you can tell I'm a bit frustrated - more than that, actually - that people are making this into a partisan issue instead of stepping up to say save our democracy." VP Kamala Harris

Again, I am wondering who exactly are “we” and are we actually debating the virtues of an autocracy?

From: Rocky D
18-Dec-21
Autocracy’s - a system of government by one person with absolute power. Oxford’s Dicionary

Here’s another definition that is at least accepted by Auburn University and I would venture to say that by much of Academia:

“Autocracy is a system of government in which absolute power over a state is concentrated in the hands of one person, whose decisions are subject neither to external legal restraints nor to regularized mechanisms of popular control (except perhaps for the implicit threat of coup d'état or other forms of rebellion).” Paul M. Johnson. "Autocracy: A Glossary of Political Economy Terms". Auburn.edu.

From: 2Wild Bill
18-Dec-21
No.

But what we should be concerned about is that not enough Americans have a working knowledge of the Constitution, or more importantly the Declaration of Independence, The enormous ignorance of the documents that define the relationship between the people and the government is astounding. We can never expect to re-establish the original freedoms, or spirit thereof, without a clear understanding of the starting point.

“No people who have lost their character have kept their liberties. Lawrence W. Reed

From: Rocky D
18-Dec-21
2Wild, I agree with what you are saying but I don’t think that we cannot take statements like these seriously, especially when it is coming from the Vice President!

From: zeke
18-Dec-21
I get frustrated when someone like a VP and others that should know better talk about our "Democracy". The US government is not now nor has it ever been a democracy. True democracy is 3 wolves and 2 sheep voting on what's for dinner. The US is a Representative Republic.

From: TGbow
18-Dec-21
2Wild Bill, hit the nail on the head!

From: Bob H in NH
18-Dec-21
Not about that statement. She making a partisan statement, one which both sides agree on, they just disagree which h side is autocracy and which is democracy

Every one agrees on terms like voting rights, they just disagree what that means

It's intentional by those in power to keep the partisan division strong

18-Dec-21
Can’t wait to hear to hear ksflatlander defend her.. I also found it interesting in the interview when she was asked who’s in the country Joe manchin or Joe Biden how defensive she got. But I agree with everybody above that her rhetoric is nothing but clouds and gaslighting the far left perspective on “voting rights”. As a tax accountant it may be a little off course here understand that under the build back better plan to receive the child tax credit you no longer have to have a Social Security number.. anyone paying attention to that? Manchin is..

From: Woods Walker
18-Dec-21
She's the perfect face for the lying Democrat scum.

From: sticksender
18-Dec-21
When your party is the "champion of the cruelly persecuted", the worker bees' full time job is creating that oppressed class out of thin air.

18-Dec-21
Bill x10,000

From: Chaz
18-Dec-21
Make no mistake , the global Marxist are knocking at the door and the American people are letting them in.

From: scentman
18-Dec-21
What she means that if Republicans ran the autocracy, that would be wrong... if the socialists ran it, that would be good for our democracy. Take that to the bank Charlie Brown ;0)

From: stealthycat
18-Dec-21
better be concerned - Biden is mentally unfit for office, his "gaffes" are mental lapses and someone besides Biden is in control

that's not our form of Govt - that's something else

From: 2Wild Bill
18-Dec-21
The following is a paragraph from a writer of publications spread by the Sons of Liberty. The subject is regarding the general attitude during the time before the Declaration of Independence.

"Perhaps the story of political revolution never exhibited a more general enthusiasm in the cause of liberty, than that which for several years pervaded all ranks in America and brought forward events little expected by the most sanguine spirits in the beginning of the controversy. A contest now pushed with so much bigotry, that the intelligent yeomanry of the country, as well as those educated in the higher walks, became convinced that nothing less than a systematical plan of slavery was designed against them. They viewed the chains as already forged to manacle the unborn millions; and though everyone seemed to dread any new interruption of public tranquility, the impetuosity of some led them into excesses which could not be restrained by those of more cool and discreet deportment. To the most moderate and judicious, it soon became apparent that unless a timely and bold resistance prevented, the colonists must in a few years sink into the same wretched thralldom that marks the miserable Asiatic."

To me it sounds like the situation in today's America.

18-Dec-21
“ became convinced that nothing less than a systematical plan of slavery was designed against them”

They were concerned about slavery, but did not address it totally?

My readings on history have me convinced many did not support a revolution, much like today in fact. Convinced folks read and believe what they are already convinced of.

From: Tilzbow
18-Dec-21

“I get frustrated when someone like a VP and others that should know better talk about our "Democracy". The US government is not now nor has it ever been a democracy. True democracy is 3 wolves and 2 sheep voting on what's for dinner. The US is a Representative Republic.”

I don’t think this is a good analogy because if I change it to 2 wolves and 3 sheep the result is still the same regardless of what the majority voted for.

That said I’m sure many will argue that’s exactly where we’re at…..

From: Rocky D
18-Dec-21
Everyone knows that Hillary Clinton did her thesis on Saul Alinsky and his book Rules for Radicals and it’s common knowledge that she is not sharing it with the American people. Why so?

Everyone knows that Joebama sat in Reverend Wright’s sermons and that was based on black liberation theology which is based on social justice for African Americans which is the Democrats primary talking point today.

As they say “Inch by inch life is a cinch” and far as I can tell the Dems are following the concept to a T!

From: RT
18-Dec-21
She said save the democracy, which is ok for people who really aren't scholars. Most people don't know the difference, even when their paycheck comes from it.

This must be her trying to throw bobblehead under the bus, waving the flag if you will. Might be the sign of a massive split.

From: Rocky D
18-Dec-21
RT, by save the democracy she means support their socialist spending bill which would expedite their their agenda!

If Manchin doesn’t support then he is the toad in the road! That’s why some are saying that he needs to go ahead and switch parties.

From: Rocky D
18-Dec-21
Uhg!

From: Rocky D
18-Dec-21
RT, by save the democracy she means support their socialist spending bill which would expedite their their agenda!

If Manchin doesn’t support then he is the toad in the road! That’s why some are saying that he needs to go ahead and switch parties.

From: drycreek
18-Dec-21
What this country needs is a benevolent dictator. Wait just a minute before you roast me. I know it will never happen and dictators aren’t benevolent, but all congress has been able to do since I’ve been paying attention is to bluster and cat fight, make each other rich, us poor, and tell their constituents what a great job they’ve done. They don’t give a rat’s ass about us or this country.

A dictator could do so many things that a president will never be able to do. So many problems would just disappear with the proper treatment.

I’m only half serious guys, but the other half is deadly serious. I see so much wrong with this country that nothing except harsh punishment will cure. Politicians can’t and won’t deal with it.

From: TD
18-Dec-21
Tilz nailed it. Especially when it's the 2 wolves counting the votes........

WRT this administration and Leftist control.... they left autocracy behind a while ago and are working on fascist dictatorship. Not just ignoring freedoms and rights, established law.... openly contemptuous of it. The very definition of what she is gas lighting about (ok, openly lying about) is the selective application of rights and laws..... or lack thereof. They as elitists get to do the selecting. What she is calling "democracy" (which it is not, to them it's just a focus group buzzword) would be the blind and equal application of constitutional rights and law for ALL. Along with the blind and equal enforcement of it. Their selective application of rights and law is autocracy in it's most underhanded form (especially when cloaked in "democracy" and other false descriptions and lies) and their actions have been the very definition of that. Yet point their fingers, accusing others of exactly what they know they are doing themselves. We all know people like that. I have nothing but contempt left for them, they've destroyed any attempt at empathy or understanding.

People like Heels Up have either zero self awareness, or just comfortable with being lying hypocrites. They railed about Trump and obviously this is where the "autocracy" fingers are pointing. Yet what he did was literally reduce regulations and laws, advance more personal freedom and rights, gave people more power and under less control by their government. Freedom. Constitutional Rights. In the real world, as in actions and results, he was the polar opposite of their own actions. And you can see the results.

In Clown World if you can convince enough clowns not to listen and not look around you, live in fantasy and perception rather than facts and reality...... then you get to stay as leader of the Clowns. For her she's closing in on 8 of 10 people seeing she is full of crap and an incompetent if not evil person.

From: Rocky D
18-Dec-21
“ Yet point their fingers, accusing others of exactly what they know they are doing themselves”

TD, sounds like Russia, Russia, and Russia!

“ Their selective application of rights and law is autocracy in it's most underhanded form (especially when cloaked in "democracy" and other false descriptions and lies) and their actions have been the very definition of that.”

Like Insider trading, I have been on several major equipment source selection boards and there is no way that I would get away with buying stock with that information as a federal employee.

The guy that sat behind me before I retired sat on a huge contract that Microsoft won and as always a non disclosure agreement or I could have pulled off the same thing that Nancy Pelosi made bank on!

From: Matt
18-Dec-21
Harris and Biden are lame ducks. This topic falls into the "life is top short..." category in terms of whether I will give it a second thought.

From: Rocky D
18-Dec-21
Matt, I think that “not giving it a second thought” is how we got to this point.

From: Rocky D
18-Dec-21

18-Dec-21
“ It's intentional by those in power to keep the partisan division strong”

True Dat.

The “problem” with a truly FUNCTIONAL democratic/republican government is that there’s no way for a politician to make enough money off of it to stay in Office.

People who are not absolutely terrified of the Other Party generally don’t contribute too much (also pronounced “a freakin’ DIME”) in the way of campaign funds, so the way to stay in office is to demonize anyone & everyone who disagrees with you in the slightest, even though if you were to sit down and have a conversation with them you would probably agree on about 95% of what was in front of you.

It’s utter bullschitt, And VERY unfortunately, we have LITERALLY bought into it, with not much promised in the way of a way out until there has been some kind of a cataclysmic meltdown.

What was the hallmark of the Greatest Generation? They were all AMERICANS, first. We no longer operate that way here; both sides feed it and feed off of it. Both sides refuse to acknowledge that and both hold the Other responsible and themselves blameless.

It’s bullschitt... and we’re fooked. You would think we could at least all agree on THAT much…

From: HDE
18-Dec-21
Autocracies only exist after a war is won, the commanding leader of one side defeats the other and places themselves in charge with consent of their troops.

From: Rocky D
18-Dec-21
Inflation will remain as long as you handout money. The peeps that are receiving the cash and those that are targeted in the build back better agenda will spend every dime and in reality will save or invest practically nothing.

The only way to build generational wealth is investing and you have to know the practice of saving before you can even grasp the concept of investing.

Spending helps the economy but just like your own finances nothing builds a strong economy better than saving and investing!

From: itshot
18-Dec-21
yoootoob disabled inbed link but here is our 2nd in command doing her best at the 2021 amateur at the apollo night, soooo herstoric

the 6 leftist tools here should be ashamed, apologetic even

From: Rocky D
18-Dec-21
Itshot, the left never admits fault and they know no shame!

Bill never had sex with that woman, Hillary wasn’t responsible for the Russian dossier, and Trump derangement syndrome is a Republican ailment.

They never ever acknowledged that they wasted taxpayers payers money trying to persecute Trump for their own actions.

They along with the ilk have not ever spoken against critical race theory, white privilege, or the crisis at the border.

They are at best classless and clueless because their elitist mindset does not allow for self reflection.

From: Rocky D
18-Dec-21
I’m sorry , someone from the left has admitted fault!

Democratic Connecticut Sen. Richard Blumenthal said in an interview on Friday that he regretted attending a communist award show last week. 

Troubles is the Dem voters will not hold him accountable at the next election!

From: Woods Walker
18-Dec-21
SCUM...pure and simple.

From: Woods Walker
18-Dec-21
Blumenthal the liar's (claims he served in combat in Viet Nam) only regret is that the commies didn't give him an award.

From: Rocky D
19-Dec-21
Political accountability is practically unheard unless a politician crosses a couple sacred lines.

In a functional society many issues are black and white but in a dysfunctional society everything is in the gray and voters are either unable or unwilling hold politicians to a standard.

Any country that lets men compete equally against women is a prime example of this dysfunction.

Another is when a group (hunters) pays the lions share for conservation yet they must defend themselves constantly even though their activity has been in existence since the very beginning of man.

From: KSflatlander
19-Dec-21
“Been saying forever these commies here are helping tear the fabric of the republic apart thread by thread.“

Said the self professed clown costume insurrectionist…Shawn Magyar.

Cyber ninjas, cyber ninjas, stop the steal, adrenochrome, QAnon idiot

From: 2Wild Bill
19-Dec-21
"Political accountability"

Ultimately in the hands of "We The People". But not the sheeple.

I believe there is a distinction between a politician and a statesman. The politician works for himself and the statesman works for the people. Most of the founders were statesmen.

Many post on this thread to express the frustration, anger and hopelessness the situation seems to present. If you consider the same ills that faced the founders you will see they went about living the changes that would alter their situation. Great personal cost was made by many people, some of whom swore to each other their lives, fortune and sacred honor. What is your patriotic duty in today's world? If it is only whinning and complaining you are indeed hopeless. There is a Constitutional plan afoot to change the Federal government, and if you are interested in learning what you can do, send me a private message.

From: Rocky D
19-Dec-21
“ Cyber ninjas, cyber ninjas, stop the steal, adrenochrome, QAnon idiot”

What a focking idiot!

19-Dec-21
Knew ole ksflatlander would show up, poke fun at a comment someone made, make no substantive point from the op… typical…

From: Grey Ghost
19-Dec-21
So, I went pheasant hunting yesterday with a buddy. We saw a bunch of birds, but there wasn't a breath of wind, so they were flushing way out of range. Walked over 12 miles according to my buddy's fancy little wrist watch thingy. We enjoyed a tailgate lunch consisting of ham sandwiches and homemade green chili. We didn't kill any birds, but we had a lot of laughs and enjoyed a beautiful day in the great outdoors. I highly recommend some of you boys try it.

Matt

From: KSflatlander
19-Dec-21
Stands- kind of like your post unrelated to the OP. And SillyStrings post before mine. If your going to be the thread police then at least be consistent.

From: KSflatlander
19-Dec-21
Uh oh standswittaknife…better get on Singlestring only/Shawn Magyar.

From: Zim
19-Dec-21

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Just gotta wonder what’s going through the minds of the morons who actually voted for this embarrassment.

From: Rocky D
19-Dec-21
“ Cyber ninjas, cyber ninjas, stop the steal, adrenochrome, QAnon idiot”

What a focking idiot!

From: itshot
19-Dec-21
thanks zim, needed that laugh!

i'll take magyar on my side any day, he shines the light on you dopes pretty well

From: drycreek
19-Dec-21
The morons who voted for this embarrassment are defending it to the hilt because……well, they’re morons.

From: bowbender77
23-Dec-21
TRUE THAT !

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