Died tonight.Changed the rules of the Senate leaving a legacy of no negotiation/compromise.Did as much as Obama's phone and pen to divide America.
Reid then proposed a change to Senate rules: “This rule change will make cloture for all nominations other than Supreme Court nominees a majority threshold vote—yes or no.” At the time, a three-fifths vote (typically 60 votes) to invoke cloture and cut off any possible filibuster was required to confirm nominees.
On November 23, 2013, the Senate voted 52-48 to rescind the three-fifths vote requirement for cloture votes on the confirmation of presidential appointees, allowing for confirmation on the basis of a simple majority vote (51 votes) on nominees other than those for the Supreme Court.
I Just watched Fox News give Madden a :10 eulogy and life recap.
Harry got about 30 seconds, which is appropriate due to the rarity of a person like John Madden and unfortunately the dime a dozen, Can’t swing a dead cat without hitting a dirty politician, frequency and percentage of people like Reid.
Unfortunately there are no more John Maddens. And Unfortunately there are too many Harry Reid’s
Agreed, KY Eyebow, on the respect part. Although I could not have disagreed more with pretty much, every aspect of Harry Reid’s politics, the man is dead. I remember some of the stuff that was posted on Rush Limbaugh’s thread, when he passed.
I have memories of him doing some good for NV early on, although I struggle to come up with examples 20+ years later. I do remember he was instrumental in stopping and reversing the work that US Outfitters had completed in AZ to force a much higher percentage of non-resident tags. Reid did this after US Outfitters targeted NV and helped create or at least reinforce individual state’s rights to manage their own wildlife. That’s a huge win for residents of western states, IMO, but I’m sure many of you would prefer it never happened and your draw odds were better. That’s another debate that’s been hashed out nearly as much as vaccines and masks….
Beyond that I struggle to find much good. How Reid avoided being linked to Harvey Whittemore is a great example of his power and ability to avoid accountability. Google Harvey Whittemore if you don’t know who he is.
When Kobe Bryant died he was suddenly a great person and it seems most forgot about his early transgressions. I think Kobe got better later in his career while Reid got worse. What’s the old saying? Absolute power corrupts absolutely? I think that’s what happened to Reid and IMO he went over the edge during Obama’s presidency.
Respect of leadership is generational. As is disrespect.
Our kids are victims and we will suffer from the disrespect they hear from us on leadership. No matter what I think of a leader I disagree with them on content never on character. At least not openly. Our country has an epidemic of disrespect of leadership. No matter what I think of Biden or any democrat or whomever, we do ourselves a disservice to disrespect the office. Kids have enough a problem (and it influences us as well) to hear and surround themselves with disrespect of any office.
I agree, but was there a more civil and respectful person in office than GWB and what did he get in return? A level of disrespect and disdain that had never been seen yet paled in comparison for what was soon to come to Trump. Bush wasn't a great President, but he was a decent man. With Trump It went past disrespect, it rose to the level of flat out hate. Unfortunately it is the world we live in and like you said, everyone is taking cues from everyone else. It is not going to change in a Godless country.
Concur...GWB was a civil kinda guy and you have to admire that. However that is a double-edged attribute. It was used against him by the politicians, celebrities and the media. If you let those folks control the narrative without standing up for yourself or your policies, you become ineffective and loose elections. I believe that happened to him towards the end of his 2nd term. If you're the leader...then lead and don't follow.
I can and do have respect for the office. The man OTOH has to earn my respect. Like any other, he IS just a man and should be judged as any other by his actions. The "Office" should hide no ones actions or give cover for them. Have very little respect when that man is actively working to remove my rights and freedoms and make a bid to gain total and complete control of our government and over it's citizens. Like Cap says... "kinda feels personal..."
This is part of the problem IMO.... not enough people.... especially "young people", are paying attention nor holding the person responsible for his actions. I can only hope and wish they open their eyes and see what is going on around them...... and who is doing it. It's not the office..... it's the men (and women or whatever pronoun you want) abusing the office that deserve no respect. Do not raise "kids" to be sheep with their heads in the sand and ignorant. Raise them with open eyes, as free thinkers, free doers.... and engaged.
I remember when I was 14 and building a porch for a guy. I put my hand on his shoulder or something like that. He politely and very clearly told me I should never touch a supervisor. He was right. I also remember when George Stepenopolaosoulous (or however you spell his name) touched GWB during an interview. It was disrespect of the office. Understandably I grew up in a hierarchical world, with my father in the military and being in the south where elders get addressed blindly by their juniors as "sir" or "ma'am"....so I am certainly biased and it is difficult for me to be objective in this regard....
But I do believe treating an office or an individual with respect is a sign of humanity and an advanced culture. This is totally separate from having your eyes open and continually evaluating the decisions of the leader. There are a number of people I do not really respect. But I still treat them with respect. At 50 I am quite sure it does not hurt me and am fairly confident it strengthens my character.
I appreciate T-roy and Candor for their class and humility. But Remember politics have always been ugly in this country. Read about the things they did to each other in Lincoln’s day.
TD you nailed my opinion, they need to remember they are our employees. Politicians have lost our respect for ample reason. Many have no moral compass and will do it say anything to stay in power. A seat in Congress is the easiest path to wealth in this country. Some come in as part time bar tenders and will leave millionaires. Making $120k per year.
I never agreed with the sentiment of only saying nice things about dead people. Sure, maybe in the immediate aftermath of a death if you're surrounded by people who may be friends/family of the deceased, but IMO, if you're a D-Bag in life, you're a D-Bag in death and I really have no reason to pretend otherwise unless it's going to negatively affect those close to them who are acutely mourning. IMO, that's the only reason one should be tactful when someone dies.
I've just seen so many times in life where someone is a complete A-Hole and then they suddenly die and people try to say something nice about them. If they didn't deserve it before they died, why does dying earn them a reprieve?
Everyone dies. Good people and bad people.
I say good things about good people before and after they die. And visa versa for the other end of the spectrum.
When I die, I expect every one of you on Bowsite to say that 'Ike was sort of a jerk and not a very good hunter.'
Candor - I can appreciate your views. They would be admirable if the system was working. It is not. When politicians use their office to gain wealth and power by creating punitive legislation, manipulating regulations and using the threat of consequences against businesses and individuals to drive behavior, I refuse to respect them or the seat they occupy.
Our system of government was designed to hold politicians in check but we've been too lazy to do our part as Citizens. Scumbags like Reid get re-elected over and over after they've proven themselves to be scumbags because lazy voters won't hold the bad actors accountable. Real respect for any office should be shown by elevating good men to those positions, supporting them in efforts to uphold Constitutional principles and holding them accountable for that behavior. Allowing them to trod on our backs unchecked is not respect and unless we are prepared to employ the Second for its intended purpose, voicing our displeasure with disdain is about all we can do outside of voting.
Hackbow, unfortunately the 'system' is rigged in favor of the incumbents. They are in position to gather huge amounts for their RE-election campaigns. At the state levels the majority party gets to gerrymander voting districts to protect themselves.
"voicing our displeasure with disdain is about all we can do outside of voting."
At the end of months of debate the convention which wrote the Constitution was prepared to sign the document. George Mason then stood and asked if the delegates were so foolish to think that a government that could become tyranical would give back it's power to the people? They were dumbstruck by their omission to that detail. Elbridge Gerry proposed additional text to Article V which would allow the people to call for Constitutional amendments to restore the balance of power to the people. There was no debate and the proposal passed by unanimous vote.
Such a project is already underway and fifteen states have passed resolutions to hold a convention of states with a resolution on three issues, term limits on officials and elected members of Congress, impose fiscal restraints on Federal spending and limit the power and jurisdiction of Federal government. Thirty-four states are needed to call the convention and there are five million people nation wide who have signed the petition. Last year there were 26 states who took up the issue, some for the first time. The project is neither Republican or Democrat, but instead a grassroots effort to restore the Federal government to the constraints intended and written into the Constitution. The people can correct the abuses politicians have played so often.
In the OP it's mentioned that Reid pushed through a major change in the Senate rules, regarding number of votes required. That move came back to bite the Democrats in the arse. More importantly, imo, it negated the need to build cross-aisle consensus on important decisions, appointments etc. A simple majority of 51-49 means that nearly half the people think something is not good. That's a formula for resentment right there. If 60 % or two thirds can't agree on something, maybe table it a while and reconsider?
Unfortunately the Senate makes its own rules, very little is specified in the Constitution on how things are to be done there. Partisans always press for party advantage, power over responsibility. Reid was one of the worse on that score.
I know the ideal lifestyle at the time of the American revolution was to be a self-sufficient land owner, however, Elbridge Gerry was a lifelong government position holder. He started in the colonial government of Massachusetts under King George, went to the rebel side and became a representative in the Continental Congress, worked on the Constitution with other founding fathers, held office for Massachusetts in the House Of Representatives, served as a delegate and was almost imprisoned in France during the X,Y,Z affair, elected Governor of Massachusetts twice and then elected as Vice President of the United States under James Madison and died in office. I speak of him as an early career politician when illustrating the need for term limits. A national statesman will serve his country in various offices and not cushion a niche for himself as today's short-sighted politicians do.
I voted for Reid once back in the 90’s when he seemed to stand up for hunters and the 2nd amendment. Moderate to conservative in a lot of respects. Then the Bush/Gore debacle. He went off the rails after that. His BS with the Unaffordable Care Act and his shady real estate dealings coming to light did it for me.
2Wild Bill - you are correct in bringing up the Article V Convention of States as a viable tool. I would submit that its use falls under "voicing our displeasure with disdain" - especially in the specific case(s) of calling for term limits and further, legal limits to powers and/or perks utilized by elected officials. If you are aware of an effective method to rally the troops to action other than vilifying those abusing the system, I'd love to hear it. IMO, the only way to motivate enough people and their representatives into doing the real work of a CoS is to get them usefully angry.
" the real work of a CoS is to get them usefully angry."
Not so, but a harder project is educating them. Anger is an after the fact condition and you can't fix the past. Education is a stimulus to motivate in a purposeful direction. Today I am working for tomorrow and a betterment of conditions.
Change in your world begins with you.
Today I read an editorial in a local paper and it was voicing the need for the general population to consider "their" character and how it influences the people they come into contact with and vote for. Higher standards for public officials begins with higher standards from the people themselves. I would to God that others reading that article would find wisdom and motivation in that encouragement.
No people that lost their character kept their liberties. - Lawrence W. Reed
Have you signed the petition on the COS website? It counts you know.
2Wild Bill - educating to action would be the preferred way of dealing with government overreach. However, the lack of civics literacy combined with the angry & rebellious methods of our Founding Fathers suggests that a more refined approach is impractical. I'm not promoting tar & feathers, rather, righteous anger, public shaming, non-compliance and civil disobedience. If it was good enough to get the Framers to act, it is good enough for me.
I have signed a few petitions but not specifically at the COS website. Thank you for bringing that up. I went there and did. I also attached the link in case anyone else would like to.
I'm presently reading "History of the Rise, Progress and Termination of the American Revolution" by Mercy Otis Warren. She was in personal contact with the Sons of Liberty and wrote some of the pamphlets that informed the general population of the abuses of tyrany. It is an account that stems from first hand experience and personal knowledge of the players. The style of writing is more difficult than the language we use today, but the narrative keeps me on edge to hear what she says next. From what I am reading, tyranny then is no different from today. The king wanted three pennies on a portion of tea, the parliment wanted absolute submission and the Americans only want their legal rights and peace. None of them envisioned that those points of interest were the starting point for a form of government that offered hope to people around the world for freedom of the individual under God.
The Convention of States is a grassroots effort and the activist army are those who care to transmit our message of hope where the massive onslaught of discouraging news has taken hold of the souls of mankind. Tyranny, once taken hold, will not easily die. Today the rivets are being forged that will secure the bands that yoke us and our future generations to despair. The Convention of States project is a solution big enough for the problem we have. The founders understood this day could/would come and wrote it for us, today, to act on. You can stand for the Constitutional plan, or fall for any claptrap they push on you. Your liberties are at stake.
At the bottom of the site page is a small print menu item called COS University. Click on it, videos are offered which explain and educate.